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Title: The Economics of God
Source: KJV Bible
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Published: Jun 16, 2017
Author: God, collected and commented on by Vicom
Post Date: 2017-06-16 08:23:53 by Vicomte13
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Views: 7339
Comments: 52

Nearly everythigng in Scriptrue has an economic component, and God has used economic realities to shape the world since the beginning.

Indeed, at irs origin "economics" is a composite word, consisting of the Greek "oikos", meaning "house", and "nomes", meaning "law". So, economics is "the law of the household", Of course the aggregate of a hundred million households makes for some mighty numbers, but the same fundamental needs drive each household, and each person, and each animal, and this is by design.

When God made the world, as described in Genesis, he first created the physical structures of its existence. The first biologically living things (as we define it) were created on the third "day", when the plants and trees were made. Plants anchor on soil, whence they get the elements that form their structure, they live on water and light. God provided the light directly, and the water sprang up from the ground. On the fourth day God created the sun as the source of natural light for the world, that the plants would use as their energy source.

On the fifth and sixth days God created the animals, whose economics are more complicated, for while the still require a habitat of solid ground or sea in which to live, and they still require water, they cannot eat light to make food, like the trees. They have to eat the products of plants, or the products of animals (originally just milk, later, meat).

And to collect those things, animals generally cannot fix themselves to the ground, like plants. They have to move around.

Air is a special case, because it is the spirit that God breathes into the nostrils of animals, not plants, to make them breathers (a word we translate as "living souls"). In Scripture animals die but plants fade and wither, and the life is given by breath and taken back by the withdrawal of breath, by God. The blood carries the breath to the body, and so the blood is the life.

The basic natural economy of creation is straightforward. Light and water feed the plants, the animals eat the plants, and man also eats the plants and, through his dominion, may eat the milk of animals as well. The land was fertile and self watering, there was light and abundance. There was the destruction of plant cells through digestion, and plants competed for space and light (which is why Adam and Eve had the task of tending the Garden, but there was no Biblical death, as the breathers were not being killed and eaten. There was superabundance of food, so the economics were the economics of the lack of scarcity and, therefore, leisure. There was no need for clothing, and no energy spent in such activity. Man was made to live an economy of leisure in nudity, with a focus on esthetics: tending the Garden.

That's a summary of the Economics of Eden. I'll tie it to Genesis text when I come back and have a Bible in hand.

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#11. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

There was no need for clothing,

I have to take issue with that. Go made clothing for Adam. Clothing is necessary. It is one thing that separates us from animals.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-06-16   19:01:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#11)

There was no need for clothing,

I have to take issue with that. Go made clothing for Adam. Clothing is necessary. It is one thing that separates us from animals.

Only AFTER the Fall. The need for clothing, because of shame, occurred BECAUSE the man and the woman ate the forbidden fruit.

They were not originally made to need clothing, or to miss it - they did not originally feel shame, and so were naked and without shame.

At this point in the narrative, I am describing the economic status of Eden. It was in Eden where there was no scarcity, and no need for work. Tending the garden - their job - was an esthetic exercise. They could eat any of the plants - there was nothing to fear, nothing poisonous. The animals were under their command and not afraid of them, but also not aggressive to them, obedient. Eve was not surprised at the speech of the serpent.

With the Fall, all of that was lost, and a consequence of the Fall, and being driven out of Eden, was now the need to work in order to eat, now the cursing of the land, to produce thistles and inedible things, forcing Adam to work and sweat. And with the Fall, shame came, and man and woman realized they were naked and needed clothes. They made their first clothes, which God replaced with animal skins - but that was only after the Fall. Just the need for cloithing itself imposes a staggering burden of labor on mankind. As does the need to eat. Before industrialization, well over 90% of all human activity was devoted to agriculture, for food and fiber to make clothes. The other major activity required was to make housing against the brutality of the elements.

There was no need to work in Eden - we were not actually MADE to work. The fact we have to in order to survive, to "live by the sweat of our brow", is a PUNISHMENT imposed on us, as a consequence of the Fall. We were DESIGNED to live naked and eat freely of the plants, and to tend a garden for aesthetic purposes, not out of the necessity to eat.

Because I am telling the story sequentially, as the Bible does, I had not in the main narrative gotten to the point of the Fall yet. I was describing the original conditions of man, as God made us and intended for us to be. The esthetic element of it, and peaceful dominion over the animals without bloodshed, are hallmarks of it. So was the fundamental equality of man and woman. That Eve would be subject to Adam was another one of the punishments of the Fall, not the original condition.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-16   20:34:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: All (#21) (Edited)

I promised I would give the Scriptural quotations to follow along with the narrative of the Economics of God.

Because Scripture can so easily be taken out of context, I've decided to go sequentially through the Bible, beginning to end, as the later parts were written later than the earlier parts, so that we can see the economic doctrine of God unveil itself progressively through successive books of the Bible.

The rlk's of the world completely reject religion as having any reality, so this is of no use to his closed mind. But even those who style themselves atheists should find it useful to know what these Judaeo-Christian Scriptures, that the majority of the society in which he lives holds as holy, say, if only to know what to expect.

I've thought about how to present the points. I already said I will be going in order, starting with Genesis 1:1, but I could present the texts a few ways. I could just give the reference numbers, so that people can take the numbers and go look at whatever Bible they have to see

That would be easiest for me and require the least typing, but it would not be the most effective pedagogy. People are inclined to be skeptical of anything at first, and imposing a big homework assignment before persuading them is a waste of time. (I see this technique used on the boards all the time. Somebody won't summarize an argument, but will instead insist that somebody needs to read a book. Often this is done in a heated tone. The obvious response is that if the guy insisting I read a book cannot clearly summarize what I will find in the book, then he himself doesn't really understand what he's talking about, so why should I waste my own precious time going and doing the homework to help him prove his point to me? I won't, and it's foolish to think that anybody would.)

Everything in the Scriptures is somewhat interrelated (if only insofar as it all relates back to God), but completely retyping the Bible doesn't make sense either.

So what I've settled on is that I will generally cite to the sections of Scripture that we're talking about, but I will specifically cite the language that forms the basis for the economics of God.

I am using the King James Version (KIV) language, because the audience is mostly Protestant, and nobody will reject it as a good text, while some will only accept it as the source text. There is little need to go below the English to the underlying Hebrew, and I will seek to avoid that as much as possible. There are a hundred-thousand ancillary issues that pop up in Scripture that we COULD discuss, but I am going to try to stay disciplined and just focus on the divine economics.

So, then, the first text we are looking at is Genesis 1. Economics is essentially the matter of fulfilling the needs of living things, but it doesn't get interesting for us until we get to mankind.

Still, when one considers animals in the state of nature, there is a natural economy at work - they must eat, reproduce, protect their young, resist disease, and either make or find shelter, migrate, or rely on their natural adaptations against the climate. The lot of wild animals is not different from the lot of wild humans. Humans merely have the brain power to be able to far more broadly modify their environment than animals do. This is biblical: man is made in God's image, and is given dominion over the animals.

So then we can pick up our direct quotiations with the making of mankind at Genesis 1:26-27:

"And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

A few things to note. This was translated into English in 1611, before modern biological science, even before the whaling industry was anything more than coastal. The English language in the age of biological science has become very precise, and we learn it with those precisions. In 1611, there was no biological science to speak of, and modern naming conventions had not yet been devised.

So, when we read "the fishes of the sea and the fowls of the air", we must understand that what this translation is meant to say is "the animals in the sea and the animals that fly". "Fish" in modern English would exclude sea mammals, dolphins, whales and other sea invertebrates, but the Bible doesn't exclude them. The Hebrew word translated as "fishes" isn't really perfectly translated as "swimmers" - the "swimmers in the waters". Likewise, in modern English, the word "fowl" means the order Aves - feathered birds. Bats and flying squirrels are not "fowls" in modern English, Nor are flying insects. In the English of 1611, though, a bat was a form of fowl. And in the actual Hebrew, the word translated as "fowls" is really "flyers". The Hebrew, literally translated is "swimmers in the waters and flyers in the skies". The English "fishes of the sea and fowls of the air" is very poetic, as we would expect English from the time of Shakespeare to be, but it must not be read as human dominion extending to only certain types of sea animals and flying animals. That would be a modern anachronism, and it would be reading metaphoric language too literally. The Hebrew is much broader - man has dominion over all of the air and sea animals, not just fish and birds.

That shouldn't be controversial, and to make the point I did need to go to the Hebrew, which I just said above I'd avoid doing. I thought that the point was important enough to depart from my general rule.

The nature of the dominion is not yet spelled out.

Moving forward, God gives the very first commandments to the newly created mankind, in Genesis 1:28:

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

The word translated into English as "earth" is the Hebrew word "land".

Reproduction establishes the first economic act, as the young must be provided for and protected and nutured, and human offspring are not immediately capable, the way that newly hatched crocodiles are (for example).

Then finally God gives the first economic directions to man and the land animals, instructing them as to what they may eat.

Genesis 1:29-30:

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat; and it was so"

So, there you have the initial diet of man and land animals (God doesn't say in the Scripture what he gave the sea animals to eat): fruits and plants. Milk is not mentioned here, but then, it's never mentioned later either, and God created animals with teats so it is assumed.

Genesis 1 has given the basic economy: plant eating animals and men whose task is to reproduce and fill the land. These are the "Initial Conditions", from which things then devolve.

In Genesis 2, God will give man more specific instructions.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-18   12:23:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#24)

Perhaps someday you an turn this thread into a book. If you have the time to go through everything you ,mentioned.

I'll keep reading.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-06-18   12:37:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone, Anthem (#25) (Edited)

Continuing with the Scriptural citations regarding the original economics of man, we move to Genesis 2.

Genesis 2 begins with a reference to something God did which would later become the basis for the Sabbath Law of Israel, and open the debate with Seventh Day Adventists as to whether or not Christians are required to abstain from work on Saturday, and with other Christians as to whether Sunday is the new Sabbath, on which Christians should refrain from work.

None of this is answered by Genesis 2 (or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter, though people will strain to make such text as there is support their viewpoint). What Genesis 2 says is that God finished creation on the seventh day and then rested. Whether or not that means WE should is an open and interesting question - one we will explore later when we get into God's economics of rest in the Mosaic Law.

To begin - Genesis 2:1-3:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

We will later see, in the law of Moses, that God commands the Israelites to not work at all on the Sabbath. He is particularly punctilious about it, laying out the law in detail to forbid any work at all, and to make it clear that the burden of work cannot be transferred to others: slaves could not be made to work on the Sabbath, neither could animals. And women could not light a fire or cook on the Sabbath, so even in the home the patriarchal structure of women serving men was cut off by God on the Sabbath - the women were forbidden from cooking or serving the men - ALL work, direct or indirect, was prohibited, on pain of death.

Now, the Law does not go so far as to spell out what happens if a slave is FORCED to work on the Sabbath - is the slave killed or the master. Reasoning from analogy in other cases in the Torah, where the owner or the person issuing the order or in power is held accountable, the probable answer to that question (by analogy to other situations in the Mosaic Law where the master is held liable for the acts of his property, or where the slave is not held fully accountable because she is not free to make decisions) is that if an owner forces a slave to work on the Sabbath, the owner is put to death.

So what is the PURPOSE of the Sabbath? When God took his rest on the 7th day, that was the purpose: a rest. Indeed the WORD "Sabbath" in Hebrew means "rest" or "pause".

With the Israelites, God was serious about it, making the breaking of it a death penalty offense.

But WHY? The economic effect of the Sabbath on the ancient Israelites and practicing Jews to this day is that 14.28571% of the year is idle in Jewish lands and businesses. One out of every seven days is a day of enforced absolute rest from work. One cannot sit quietly and do the books, one cannot "tidy up the office" - one is strictly, categorically and absolutely barred from doing ANYTHING that has ANYTHING TO DO WITH earning money, or manufacture, or profit-bearing activities. One cannot sell meals, for example - or even prepare them. Even housework, to tidy up, is prohibited.

So, within the Jewish Law, God made a hard, fast and completely absolute - on pain of DEATH - rule that everybody MUST have a FULL day off from work every week, when one is prohibited from even doing the books. NOTHING can be done regarding work, labor. Economic activity may be undertaken 85.7% of the year, but for 14.3% of the year absolutely no economic activity of any kind can be done. That is to say, God's law for Israel imposed a mandatory 52 day vacation period for every employee (including slaves), with a mandatory death penalty on any employer or slave owner who either worked himself during that mandatory vacation period, or who required an employee or a slave to work during it.

What is more, God gave absolutely no flexibility to any employer, even for "necessity". Saving animals from drowning, or giving them water and food, yes, but only this. No work, at all, even by subterfuge. And no "flexible time off" that could override that absolute fixed and rigid requirement that nobody (except priests doing the sacrifices) can do ANYTHING economic on the Sabbath.

It's an extraordinary rule - and one that runs very contrary to our view of the necessity of work. God's law for Israel denied that business need - or even have the right to voluntarily - work year round. 52 days per year of hard stop, with no exceptions, on pain of death, on a regular every-seventh- day schedule.

WHY?

We're getting way ahead of ourselves, but let's follow the theme to the end, Jesus said why: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath".

God Himself rested on the Seventh Day. Note: he did not pause to worship. And at no point did God tell the Israelites that the purpose of the Sabbath rest was to worship. He always said that it was a rest, a pause, not just for people, but even for their animals.

What is more, in ancient Israel God imposed an agricultural sabbath every seven years - the land had to lie fallow every seventh year, and there was a double sabbath, two years with no harvest, in the 50th Jubilee year.

So, that's not just one day of every seven off, it's one YEAR of every seven off in addition to that, plus an extra year every 50th year.

Under God's law for Israel, all businesses had to give their employees 52 days off every year. Additionally all agricultural businesses (which was at least 80% of the economy) took a full year off of cultivation every seventh year.

Furthermore, every male had to present himself before the Temple for three mandatory feasts every year: Pesach (Passover), Shavuot (Pentecost) and Sukkot (Booths). The farther parts of Israel are several days distance from Israel. Capernaum in Galilee, for example, is 79 miles from Jerusalem. At a pace on foot of 26 miles per day, it took three days to get to Jerusalem, three days to get back, plus the feast itself. That's at least seven days, but note: no travel can be done on the Sabbath. So the mandatory pilgrimages to Jerusalem meant that employers in the outer provinces of Israel had to give at least 7 days off three times per year, an additional 21 days.

Without counting the full seventh year farming sabbatical (which was not completely without work), every Israelite had at least 55 mandatory no-work days off every year, and most had at least 83 days off every year - almost 23% of the time.

When one averages in the agricultural sabbaths every seventh and fiftieth years, along with the three annual pilgrimages and the regular sabbaths, the mandatory "time off" in ancient Israel works out to an average of 132 days per year, over 1/3rd of the time.

Compare that to the present day, where Americans generally used to have Saturday and Sunday off each week (104 days per year), 6 major holidays (New Year's Day, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas) (that may or may not fall on a weekend), plus the traditional 2-week vacation, for an average total of 116 days off. God's work plan for Israel averaged more than two weeks longer of mandatory time off per year for the lowest-class of people, than the American middle class get time off now.

Now, of course, the objection can be raised that we are not "under the Law (of Moses)", and that is true. But the whole point of studying God's economics is to notice that God is more intelligent than any of us, and God designed the work schedule of ancient Israel with a mind towards making this one state he ruled a perpetual success, a beacon to the world of how to be.

So, while it is true that we don't HAVE to follow God's economics - that we CAN force people to work harder and longer and get fewer days off (and we DO that) - we should recognize that our approach, which we consider to be necessary, is in fact economically inferior overall to God's plan: God did not set up Israel for failure.

Most important of all - because nobody has the power to simply change our system - is to recognize very clearly that all of these days off, including the mandatory weekly rest (which was NOT a period where God commanded people to go worship - he never made any such command for the Sabbath in either testament - the Sabbath was for REST, it was NOT time to "go to Church" or synagogue. The synagogue is not a commandment of God but a custom of men) - all of these days off were mandated by God in HIS wisdom. So if you think that the American work schedule, pressing people harder and harder, for fewer and fewer days off, is "right", that more and more work is better, your logic is not that of God, you're wrong and you should rethink.

God imposed work on mankind as a punishment, not as a grace. We will see this soon enough when we get to the Fall in Genesis. Work is not a blessing - the fact we have to do it in order to live, to earn our living "by the sweat of our brow" - is a punishment imposed by God. It is not a GOOD thing, and it was not INTENDED BY GOD to be a good thing. It was intended to devour our time and make us groan and sweat and feel the loss of liberty in our bones.

And we do.

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade!" is a fine bit of positive thinking, but it is not Biblical. It is fine to take pride in one's work, and if one is fortunate enough to find work one enjoys, it is well. But man's designed PURPOSE was not to work, it was to reproduce, raise children, and tend to the aesthetics of a garden planted by God.

Work was a sentence of punishment imposed on man as the result of the Fall. We were thrown out of the economy of plenty into a world of scarcity, and forced to work or die. God made the work harder too, by cursing the ground that Adam had to work (he removed this curse after the Flood).

My point is that the relentless Germanic "work ethic" that finds great virtue in work and then presses to expand working time to fill more and more hours and remove leisure time from mankind, rolling back the American middle class norm, is not, in fact, godly. It is dressed up as virtue, but it is in FACT oppression of man by man.

When GOD set up an economy, he structured it to give 132 days off per year, on average, to working men and women. We already fall well short of that, in the middle class, and we drive the hours of the working class down even further, just for them to get by. We view vacation as a luxury, a privilege, for which one trades off earnings.

But God's view of it when he set up a state is that you defy him if you work or make your employees work more than about 233 days per year, and that if you open your business to make money 7 days a week or yourself work seven days a week, you are not "industrious", you are a criminal who is to be put to death.

It's quite a contrast in view. God's economics mean more mandatory time off for most people, not as a privilege but as a need.

I have gotten ahead of myself again. Consider this the 100,000 foot view for when we get back to the Sabbath and the mandatory rests in the Torah.

For now, we need to continue on in the language of Genesis 2

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-19   10:45:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#27. To: Vicomte13 AKA Stone (#26)

This is mainly a placeholder so I don't lose the thread. I haven't read it all week, so I have some catching up to do.

I'll mention that I believe the Bible is a collection of stories that elucidate the events and beliefs of the people who wrote them. A book of wisdom spanning at least 2000 years, with many stories engendered by much older orally transmitted stories.

Genesis reflects an exceptional intelligence, a book of the philosophy of its day. Amazing that it included two observations on how God created man -- from the clay, and from the mists -- that are not at all at odds with the observations of Lamarck and Darwin*.

*Darwin did not coin, "survival of the fittest". That came later and has been used as a weapon against Christianity -- a weapon that is hoist on its own petard, but that's a discussion for another time.

I mention this not for argument sake, nor to invalidate arguments based on Biblical exegesis. I find that science vs religion arguments are facetious and generally involve ignorance of one or both. I believe that what God wrote is creation and the study of both science and past knowledge is the study of God's work and man's understanding of it at that point in time.

I am looking forward to catching up. Right now I gotta get some chores done.

Anthem  posted on  2017-06-23 19:27:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

I find the time allocated for work interesting. It brings to mind the many times Askel5 commented on the differences between those above and those below the butter/ olive oil line.

Looking forward to the next installment.

Anthem  posted on  2017-06-26 01:19:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

Bill Flax has an essay on his site that concludes:

"Finally, the myopia of some Corporate managers shines through in a typical discussion of contemporary educational needs by many prominent in American business. The approach is unapologetically self-serving while rationalizing that perspective by an, admittedly undeniable, recitation of the job seeking advantages for a student given specialized training in areas in contemporary demand in the Corporate world. This has the ring of pragmatism, but ignores a broader reality that includes the aspirations of those less materially oriented. It addresses the niche of the expounder, yet ignores the needs & aspirations of those who "dance to a different tune"; those for whom Jefferson allowed when he modified the Lockean view of natural rights, from "Life, Liberty & Property," to "Life, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness"--to include both the material & spiritual, artistic & philosophical aspirations of each of us."
From: How You Define A Problem May Define You

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