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In the wake of Trump's decision to fire FBI Director James Comey last month, the Department of Justice appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel to oversee the FBI's probe into Russia's role in the 2016 election. The investigation began last summer and encompasses various Trump and his associates' alleged ties to Moscow, as well as the Kremlin's role in mounting a hacking attempt to influence  the presidential race in Trump's favor. Trump claimed, and Comey later affirmed, that Comey assured him he was not personally under FBI investigation. That has since changed, according to the Post. Questions about whether Trump attempted to obstruct justice have swirled following Comey's testimony last week to the Senate that the president directed him in February to end the FBI's investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn. Following the Post's report, Trump's outside attorney slammed the FBI for releasing information about the ongoing investigation. “The FBI leak of information regarding the resident is outrageous, inexcusable and illegal," said Kasowitz spokesperson Mark Corallo. Poster Comment: Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 33. #2. To: Willie Green (#0) The problem in DC right now is that Republicans won't protect the President. If they did, this would be over now. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-14   23:13:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Vicomte13 (#2) The problem in DC right now is that Republicans won't protect the President. If they did, this would be over now. The Republicans eat their own. Meaning if the GOP was behind Trump, Mueller would never have been selected. Why would you select someone who was an FBI director during the years of the Bush WH and partially the Obama WH? redleghunter  posted on  2017-06-15   9:16:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: redleghunter (#8) The Republicans eat their own. The reason they do it is because at the core of their power: Ryan, McConnell, McCain - are paid agents of a certain economic class. To sit in office they have to periodically deceive enough other people to vote for them (and they do it by stampeding people through lies and fear), but when in office, they betray those people (through inaction). The only people they zealously defend and whose interests they advanced are the super-rich element who give them their campaign contributions, access and support. Everything else can go to weeds, but as long as the estate tax gets struck down, those Republicans will have achieved their OBJECTIVE, which is to zealously guard the interest of the super-rich. Now, the problem is that there are great number of naive Republicans who believe that they are serving the country, or the middle class, or the working class, etc. Trump is one of them. The Republicans of power eat these people not because of Republican cannibalism, but because the REAL Republican Party is the party of the rich, and these middle class guys that rise up and get an office, are not connected and don't represent the rich, and advocate agendas of middle class economics that are not in the interests of the rich. So the Republican Party protects its ultimate wealth and power base by throwing these Republicans who don't understand that they are elected to serve the super rich under the bus. They aren't eating their own. Trump isn't one of their own. The Republicans focused on conservatism or other ideology are not their own. They are, rather, necessary idiots to get the votes of the middle class, so that the party of the rich have enough cover to enact and protect their REAL ultimate agenda: which is slashing taxes and regulations specifically on the super rich, while shifting the tax base down on the rest of the country, and using the regulatory state to crush out competition to the monopoly-seeking super rich. Duped rube movement Republicans become very angry when the truth is shown to them, and they attack the messenger. Duped rube movement Republicans also blame shift - focusing on the Republicans. Essentially, the Republican voter - not the super rich, but the sort of guys who post on chat boards - are like 300-pounders who think they are doing something positive for themselves when they order a diet Coke with their Bic Mac and fries. The congestive heart failure continues to build, but they cannot break their addiction to that which is bad for them, they refuse to face the truth, and they attack whoever tries to change their views. "Conservatism" just degenerates into stubborn, blind "stuck on stupid", and thinks that having a stash of guns will somehow protect them against "enemies", never recognizing that the enemy is the people at the top of THEIR OWN CHOSEN SIDE. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-15   9:42:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Vicomte13 (#10) Essentially, the Republican voter - not the super rich, but the sort of guys who post on chat boards - are like 300-pounders who think they are doing something positive for themselves when they order a diet Coke with their Bic Mac and fries. You're goofy as hell today. I know lots and lots of people who voted for Trump. None of them are close to 300 lbs. I don't drink diet coke and I don't know anyone who does. My wife used to but she drinks coke like me now. Assinine statement. Well it is. You can bitch and moan but I have my opinion too. Just like you do. A K A Stone  posted on  2017-06-15   10:23:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: A K A Stone (#12) I know lots and lots of people who voted for Trump. Yep, you know me, for example. The Republican Party has all of the power in Washington - literally all of it - both Houses of Congress, the Executive Branch, the Supreme Court. They control 35 of the states too. And yet they cannot seem to take charge of anything. Obama never had that kind of concentration of power, and neither did Clinton, and yet they managed to push through a great deal of their agenda. And they have still managed to avoid indictment. Obama obscured his personal history and birth record successfully for eight years, and even with Republicans in charge, he STILL obscures it - and they don't release the information. Trump does not have all of the power: the Republicans have to cooperate with him. But what are they doing? Holding hearings! The Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader can stop those things cold, shut them down. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi would NEVER have permitted President Obama and his cabinet to be vilified, hauled before Congress and put through an inquisition on THEIR watch. But the Republicans are doing it to Trump. Obama's attorney general never would have permitted a special prosecutor to be hired against Obama. Not ever. And certainly once it was clear there was no evidence of the central charge (collusion with the Russians), no Democrat Attorney General would have permitted the special prosecution to CONTINUE. But Jeff Sessions spinelessly recused himself, and the underlings STILL press forth with it. It's the Republican Party that is knifing Trump in the back. But I get the mailers and the e-mails from the GOP, and they talk about Pelosi and Schumer. Pelosi and Schumer are POWERLESS. You can BET that if Pelosi were the Speaker, Trump would have ALREADY BEEN INDICTED, but that if it were a Democrat President, there would be no hearings at all. The Republicans, instead, continue their war against the Republican base. See, they wanted Jeb, and the People did not. The People wanted Trump, and the Republicans are as determined as the Democrats to destroy Trump, to put the Republican rank-and-file back in its place. The net result of this is foreseeable: the Democrats will sweep to power, and when they do, the Republicans will never get back up again. The Democrats have been taken to the very edge before, and each time, when they sprang back, they LEARNED from the experience and upped their game. The Republicans TALKED about going nuclear when W was the President, but they blocked. But Democrats, having nearly lost the mid-level of the judiciary during W's term to the nuclear option, went nuclear during Obama's, to shore up their control for a generation. Now the Republicans went nuclear, but limited it to just the Supreme Court seat. If the Democrats get back in power without 61 seats in the Senate, you can bet they will go nuclear to impose their whole agenda. They will figure that if they get their whole agenda, it will give them such an advantage they'll never lose power again. And they're probably right about that. The Republicans - if they are right about their policies - could ensure the same thing. But they'd rather destroy Trump. Idiots. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-15   12:00:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Vicomte13 (#18) Isn't that how it's been for the last 30 years, at least. There's a phrase for it now, "virtue posing". The Dems like to virtue pose that they are protecting the poor and the environment, so they need absolute power (ask any D voter). The R's like to virtue pose that they are fair to everyone, so they give way when they have power. The truth is that they are both working for the same bosses, playing good-cop bad-cop to extract as much as possible from us. Anthem  posted on  2017-06-15   13:14:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Anthem (#20) The truth is that they are both working for the same bosses, playing good-cop bad-cop to extract as much as possible from us. But the Democrats create social programs that do give quite a bit back to the people at large. The Republicans try to pull down the social welfare state and reduce taxes and regulation on the rich, but they don't give anything much to the people for it. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-15   15:23:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Vicomte13 (#22) But the Democrats create social programs that do give quite a bit back to the people at large. The Republicans try to pull down the social welfare state and reduce taxes and regulation on the rich, but they don't give anything much to the people for it. I have an ariticle that I am submitting for publication, that was prompted by the conversation between you and Stone, that goes into social spending, it's history, and modern application(s). Hopefully it will be published soon. In short, I believe in subsidiarity (I put a blurb on my homepage here) and -- generally -- find social spending on a national level, and sometimes at the state level, to be far less effective in actually helping people than at the local level. Anthem  posted on  2017-06-15   15:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Anthem (#25) We could, I think, have an interesting conversation on the subject. I start from the assumption that the poor we will always have with us, for a variety of reasons ranging from personal irresponsibility to mental disease to the economic structure to history to the way that God has made the world. Not knowing how to deal with the issue of poverty - should we ignore it, suppress it, assist the poor (and how) - I consider various positions. Given that God exists and the issues of poverty, suffering and oppression are always at the forefront of human concerns, I assume that God gave his thoughts on the manner, and I am not mistaken. The Torah lays out a comprehensive and detailed economic structure for ancient Israel that includes overlapping rules and structures aimed at poverty relief. While theologically we are not ancient Hebrews and not "subject to" that law in a binding sense, it is a law created by the Creator of the universe and of man, endowed with the greatest wisdom, intelligence and foresight that can exist. So, given that, I look directly to God's solution to the problem, and simply assert that we should be doing THAT, because if anything will work, THAT will. To deny that is to deny the inspiration of Scripture. For my part, I've done a deep dive into the economic and social structure that God proposed for the men under his charge in ancient Israel, and I have found it to be internally consistent, designed with great cunning, mutually supporting and, ultimately, perfect. That is where I think the conversation should begin for anybody who professes to be a follower of Christ or of YHWH, and even of Allah, given that the Koran claims that Jesus was the greatest prophet. To take that system, proposed by the Creator (and imposed by Him on the only land that he ever ruled directly) and first to understand it, and then to bring it into being in our world - this is the only possible real SOLUTION to the issue. I understand that people have been grasping at the issue of poverty and relief for centuries, millennia. I understand all of the concerns about any poverty relief. But I take great umbrage at people who would assert Christianity as a political force and yet who are belligerently ignorant of what God actually SAID about poverty relief. The relentless desire to reduce poverty relief to an asterisk, considering its detailed and imposing role in God's law, is a rejection of YHWH's wisdom and a rejection of Jesus' compassion. Of course human politics will have its packs howling in the wilderness, that is inevitable. But once people enter into the sacred and presume to start wielding the word of God as a weapon against a plain and clear reading of the Word of God, I become disgusted and outraged, and I go for the throat of the hypocrisy. Does this mean I am perfect? Not hardly. But God is perfect, and given that God spelled out, in great detail, how human poverty is to be properly addressed, I stand by that standard and assert that the Christian who will not even listen to it does not, in fact, place his faith in God, but in money and human politics. Given that the other side is more than happy to accuse anybody who doesn't agree with them of being in league with Lucifer, I don't have any qualms about simply dismissing their Christianity as a pose and a lie. I would like to discuss God's economic and social welfare structure with actual believing Jews, Christians and Muslims, because it is the solution that we have sought. Properly motivated, by the love of God and of our fellow men, it is possible to use such structures. But when God and love is set apart and a mere structure is hammered down, as through secular politics, it cannot possibly work, because the hearts of men are corrupt and the product of their hands is always flawed. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-15   18:06:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Vicomte13 (#26) You claim you follow gods economic plan. That is not true. You support taxes of fifty percent or more. Show me where that is in Gods plan. It isn't because you are mistaken or lying. What your pea brain doesn't seem to comprehebnd is that the old covenant is replaced by the new. God ran a system. Man can't run godssystem. Gods plan also isn't pay a fifty percent tax or you are a problem and vic will murder you. You want to murder people who don't agree with your unbiblical plan to tax the productive people at a rate 5 times what god layed out. Also you are such a pussy you keep dodging "don't work don't eat":. Your only line of attack is scripture is wrong. Scripture doesn't contradict you dumb ass blasphemer. You said you want to murder me. You sound like those crazy Bernue psychopaths when you talking about murdering everyone. I don't care if I pissed your praying to a dead woman ass off. You are afraid to answer my questions because every time you spout your bullshit I knock you down. A K A Stone  posted on  2017-06-16   6:52:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: A K A Stone (#32) You are a fool, and a liar. You engage in over the top ranting, like a woman with the vapors, but if somebody you don't like uses hyperbole he's a murderer. 50% taxes? I ne'er advocated that, because that would destroy the economy. I may have written objectively that that would be the cost of our government, or that that is what people are currently paying. It has never been my position that that is good, except in time of war (when the income tax on the rich should be in the 90% range). You're mad, so you scream at me, which is what people do. But then you do what Republicans do: you make shit up out of the air and throw it at the wall. You keep flinging it hoping it will stick. Democrats do the whole thing. To hell with both of you. As far as the Biblical business goes, I DID lay it all out, at length for you. You NEVER acknowledged it. You just repeat the lie over and over that I didn't. I DID, but YOU ignored it, and I am not going to spend anotther Saturday recreating it for a lying son of a bitch like you - BECAUSE YOU'LL JUST IGNORE IT AGAIN. I AM willing to go through it all again for Anthem, if HE'S interetsted, but you're not interested in doing anything but screaming at me, and who needs that. Perhaps I will start a general thread called THE ECONOMICS OF GOD, and just start at Genesis 1:1 and go forward, line by line, laying all of it out, with full quotes. It will take months to get all the way through it. YOU won't get anything out of it - you didn't before, so why expect you to now. Others might get something out of it. So I'll start, and I'll keep going, until of course you ban me, which I expect to be any moment, because I'm giving you your vitriol and your general assholery right back in your face. You can stuff it down your pie hole. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-16   7:47:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 33. #37. To: Vicomte13 (#33) but if somebody you don't like uses hyperbole he's a murderer. You are the one who said the solution is to murder everyone on the right and everyone on the left. You said you wanted to be a murderer. I just quoted you. A K A Stone  posted on  2017-06-16 18:52:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 33. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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