[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Utopian Visionaries Who Won’t Leave People Alone

No - no - no Ain'T going To get away with iT

Pete Buttplug's Butt Plugger Trying to Turn Kids into Faggots

Mark Levin: I'm sick and tired of these attacks

Questioning the Big Bang

James Webb Data Contradicts the Big Bang

Pssst! Don't tell the creationists, but scientists don't have a clue how life began

A fine romance: how humans and chimps just couldn't let go

Early humans had sex with chimps

O’Keefe dons bulletproof vest to extract undercover journalist from NGO camp.

Biblical Contradictions (Alleged)

Catholic Church Praising Lucifer

Raising the Knife

One Of The HARDEST Videos I Had To Make..

Houthi rebels' attack severely damages a Belize-flagged ship in key strait leading to the Red Sea (British Ship)

Chinese Illegal Alien. I'm here for the moneuy

Red Tides Plague Gulf Beaches

Tucker Carlson calls out Nikki Haley, Ben Shapiro, and every other person calling for war:

{Are there 7 Deadly Sins?} I’ve heard people refer to the “7 Deadly Sins,” but I haven’t been able to find that sort of list in Scripture.

Abomination of Desolation | THEORY, BIBLE STUDY

Bible Help

Libertysflame Database Updated

Crush EVERYONE with the Alien Gambit!

Vladimir Putin tells Tucker Carlson US should stop arming Ukraine to end war

Putin hints Moscow and Washington in back-channel talks in revealing Tucker Carlson interview

Trump accuses Fulton County DA Fani Willis of lying in court response to Roman's motion

Mandatory anti-white racism at Disney.

Iceland Volcano Erupts For Third Time In 2 Months, State Of Emergency Declared

Tucker Carlson Interview with Vladamir Putin

How will Ar Mageddon / WW III End?

What on EARTH is going on in Acts 16:11? New Discovery!

2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years

2024 and beyond in prophecy

Questions

This Speech Just Broke the Internet

This AMAZING Math Formula Will Teach You About God!

The GOSPEL of the ALIENS | Fallen Angels | Giants | Anunnaki

The IMAGE of the BEAST Revealed (REV 13) - WARNING: Not for Everyone

WEF Calls for AI to Replace Voters: ‘Why Do We Need Elections?’

The OCCULT Burger king EXPOSED

PANERA BREAD Antichrist message EXPOSED

The OCCULT Cheesecake Factory EXPOSED

Satanist And Witches Encounter The Cross

History and Beliefs of the Waldensians

Rome’s Persecution of the Bible

Evolutionists, You’ve Been Caught Lying About Fossils

Raw Streets of NYC Migrant Crisis that they don't show on Tv

Meet DarkBERT - AI Model Trained On DARK WEB

[NEW!] Jaw-dropping 666 Discovery Utterly Proves the King James Bible is God's Preserved Word

ALERT!!! THE MOST IMPORTANT INFORMATION WILL SOON BE POSTED HERE


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

politics and politicians
See other politics and politicians Articles

Title: Exclusive: Murdered DNC staffer's family, friends set record straight
Source: crimewatchdaily.com
URL Source: https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/09 ... -set-record-straight/#comments
Published: May 21, 2017
Author: Michelle Sigona
Post Date: 2017-05-21 08:58:06 by sneakypete
Ping List: *Crime and Corruption*     Subscribe to *Crime and Corruption*
Keywords: Clinton, Murder, Corruption
Views: 21291
Comments: 62

Seth Rich, a 27-year-old staffer for the Democratic National Committee, was shot in the back in the early morning hours of July 10, 2016.

"It appears he was targeted," said D.C. Police Captain Anthony Haythe. "He was shot multiple times."

Seth was shot at 4:19 in the morning, just two minutes after hanging up with his girlfriend, Kelsey Mulka.

"We were on the phone just wrapping up our conversation, he had kind of told me that he was getting close to his house," said Mulka.

Seth's grieving girlfriend is speaking out for the very first time since his murder. They had dated for two years.

"There really aren't -- no words -- that can accurately express how devastating and horrific it is to bury someone that you love," said Mulka.

Although there are pockets of darkness, for the most part this neighborhood is pretty well-lit. Investigators tell Crime Watch Daily in the early morning hours of July 10, Seth was walking home. He was only about a block and a half away from home when he was gunned down, shot in the back.

"The officers who were there and they said 'Yeah, he was quite talkative, he did not realize he had been shot,'" said Joel Rich, Seth's father.

But an hour and a half later at a nearby hospital, Seth was pronounced dead.

Heartbreaking news to Kelsey Mulka. She was just on the phone with him, and in a split-second he was gone. Now Mulka is breaking news in our exclusive interview, revealing details, telling Crime Watch Daily there was no sign of trouble in his voice that terrible morning.

"I wasn't alarmed," said Mulka.

"He's kind of known as a goofball, but to me it was very clear to me that there was so much more," said Mulka. "It didn't matter who you were, where you came from or where you were going. If he thought you were in trouble, he wanted to help. If you were sad he was going to make you happy, he was going to make you laugh."

Still reeling from Seth's death, Kelsey is horrified to discover that the story of a conspiracy theory is swirling around his death. It all began on Dutch television. The founder of Wikileaks, Julian Assange, made a shocking assertion.

ASSANGE: There's a 27-year-old that works for the DNC who was shot in the back, murdered.

ANCHOR: That was just a robbery, I believe wasn't it?

ASSANGE: No, there's no finding.

ANCHOR: What are you suggesting?

Assange suggested Seth Rich may have become a target after being accused of leaking DNC emails, which led to the resignation of its chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Seth's best friend, Michael Cass-Antony, is also breaking his silence in this exclusive interview, telling Crime Watch Daily he's disgusted by the reports.

"All those lies that are being bandied about in the news are just that, and the reason that nobody close to him has refuted them is because there's no reason to," said Cass-Antony. "Because he spoke for himself. Because anybody who knows him knows how good of a person he was, knows how much he cared for the DNC and for where he worked and how much he believed in his cause."

But it's not just those close to Seth who adamantly deny those shocking claims. The police department in D.C. doesn't buy it either. The Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia released an official statement which reads, in part:

"At this time, there is no indication that Seth Rich's death is connected to his employment at the DNC." -- Metro DC Police

And just the suggestion of Seth's shooting being a political hit has his parents outraged.

Seth's mom and dad want to set the record straight about the character of their beloved son, and disclose details of this case only to Crime Watch Daily.

"He had just found out he was going to go to work for the Clinton campaign doing data analysis and helping getting people out to vote," said

Seth's parents say he got the offer but tragically never had the chance to accept. They found the beginnings of his letter of acceptance in a draft email on his computer. Seth had only typed two lines, and his parents are sharing it with us.

"'All my life I wanted to be in a position that I can make a difference.' That resonates with me because that is the heart of what my son would have said, and working on Hillary's campaign, he would be making a difference," said Mary Rich, Seth's mother.

Police suspect Seth's murder is connected to a recent rash of robberies.

"There were a few robberies that we have investigated that we're looking into to see if those parties involved in those robberies could be the parties involved in our murder," said D.C. Police Captain Anthony Haythe.

But investigators go on record to confirm that Seth still had his wallet, watch and phone when he was discovered shot in the street.

continued at link......

Click for Full Text!


Poster Comment:

Yeah,he was murdered during a robbery. That's why he wasn't robbed.

I am convinced that his murder had nothing to do with him informing on Clinton/DNC "irregularities" .

Ok,ok,reasonably certain.

OK,OK,OK,I hear they have been making a honest effort to order the murders of fewer people this year than last year because they have mellowed out now that they are geezers. Happy now?

C'mon,people! How many times do we have to read news reports of informers or suspected informers close to the Clintons being murdered before it begins to dawn on people that all these murdered people had ONE thing in common?Subscribe to *Crime and Corruption*

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: sneakypete (#0)

There's a claim that his computer had evidence of communications with Wikileaks. Is there no follow up on that, or was it not true?

But even if Seth did not leak the emails to Wikileaks, that doesn't mean he was not killed because of them. He could have been falsely accused as the leak source, and killed because of it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-21   10:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#0)

As long as the Clintons are breathing, others will not.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-05-21   11:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#0)

Like I said before the Clintons have too much dirt on the political hierarchy and that's why they blatantly get away with convictable crimes.

Justified  posted on  2017-05-21   11:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#1) (Edited)

There's a claim that his computer had evidence of communications with Wikileaks. Is there no follow up on that, or was it not true?

I don't know.

I am positive certain individuals in our feral government know this,as well as certain political figures and their groupies/employees.

I wouldn't believe any of them if they told me it was raining and I was standing outside getting rained on.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-21   12:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete, Pinguinite (#4)

FWIW, Kim Dotcom tweeted:

If Congress includes #SethRich case into their Russia probe I'll give written testimony with evidence that Seth Rich was @Wikileaks source.

3:42 PM - 19 May 2017

And:

I'm meeting my legal team on Monday. I will issue a statement about #SethRich on Tuesday. Please be patient. This needs to be done properly.

12:57 PM - 20 May 2017

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-21   15:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#5)

FWIW, Kim Dotcom tweeted:

I don't know who she is,but I do know that she is a brave woman with a well-developed sense of right and wrong. She needs to be elected to public office.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-22   9:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#6)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-22   13:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#7)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom

AHHHHH!

Looks like HE is a natural-born politician,doesn't it?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-22   17:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#0)

"Because anybody who knows him knows how good of a person he was, knows how much he cared for the DNC and for where he worked and how much he believed in his cause."

If that is true it pretty much eliminates any chance of him being a good person.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   11:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#1) (Edited)

There's a claim that his computer had evidence of communications with Wikileaks. Is there no follow up on that, or was it not true?

I don't know. I don't follow this stuff as closely as I used to. I am burnt out at all the lies and all the partisan politics and Party Animal Games being played by both branches of the Ruling Party.

I am convinced that America,as she stands today,is destined to fall by design of the ruling classes. What sort of government replaces the non-working nightmare we have now all depends on if the globalists or the nationalists win the dust up that follows.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   11:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Justified (#3)

Like I said before the Clintons have too much dirt on the political hierarchy and that's why they blatantly get away with convictable crimes.

Can you say "1,000+ missing "raw" FBI background files on political people and their families"?

The FBI politely ASKED Bubbette! to return them when she left the WH,and she said "No",and walked away with them,

And she had no legal authority to even view them,never mind possess them.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   11:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

What sort of government replaces the non-working nightmare we have now all depends on if the globalists or the nationalists win the dust up that follows.

I don't know that history shows us any example at all of an oppressive, native government being overthrown and replaced with one that truly cherishes rights and liberties. In the case of the US revolution, what was deposed was a foreign monarchy over a land that was largely untamed where self sufficiency was a requirement of survival.

Maybe there have been a few cases of oppressive dictatorships being brought down, but whether they were cases where general freedoms were restored, taxes repealed, and government bureaucracy was significantly scaled back, I don't know. People just have a natural tendency to take control of all that is around them, and even when revolutions occur, it's usually not for the purpose of giving, but of taking.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-23   11:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Maybe there have been a few cases of oppressive dictatorships being brought down, but whether they were cases where general freedoms were restored, taxes repealed, and government bureaucracy was significantly scaled back, I don't know. People just have a natural tendency to take control of all that is around them, and even when revolutions occur, it's usually not for the purpose of giving, but of taking.

History is full of examples. Kicking the Catholic Church out of ruling authority all over Europe is one prime example.

Removing monarchies from power all over Europe is another.

The nation created by the America Revolution is another.

Then there are examples due to losing wars,like when Japan lost WW-2 and we forced the Japanese to form another type of government with the Emperor only being a figurehead,and forcing the Nazi's out of power in Germany.

Then there is the example of the west,primarily America,forcing the communists into bankruptcy that resulted in the total collapse and replacement of the communist system there.

Right at this moment the whole west seems to be going through a reverse phase as we are not only allowing medieval jihadists to come in to destroy our nations,we are even paying them for doing so,

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   12:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#13)

I did mention the US revolution being an exception as it throws off not a native government but a foreign one, and any colonial revolution would qualify. The US was still mostly frontier, even in the east by today's standards, and people were acclimated to self-sufficiency (unlike today) which factored into their politics.

The French revolution deposing it's monarchy was a disaster for the French, and monarchies are not necessarily bad in any event, though it depends entirely on the monarch. I know England had, I think it was one of the King James's for about 3 years but he did such a poor job the English basically fired him and he accepted peaceful and not uncomfortable exile, though maybe my facts aren't quite right on that. Certainly people living under a monarch in the past have had, in sum, more rights and less taxation than present day USA.

But the problem with revolutions is that the rebels that take control invariably do just that, imposing their values on the population just freed from the values of the previous government. And if the kingpin rebel doesn't take control, then some underling more ambitious will cut him down and replace him. But even well meaning people will cause harm by trying to do good. It's a One Ring to Rule Them All type thing. Power corrupts.

So if/when the US fed apparatus collapses, it would create a vacuum of power that any new government would quickly fill. It's one of the reasons I see the proper future of the USA being a breakup into perhaps 6-8 different countries. It's the only way to dissolve the huge black hole in DC sucking up all that's good in the country. Decentralization/outsourcing is already a corporate reality and I think it needs to become a political reality, and I think technology will help make that happen, in time.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-23   13:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#14)

Decentralization/outsourcing is already a corporate reality and I think it needs to become a political reality, and I think technology will help make that happen, in time.

Politically it is all about centralizing,and thanks to today's ability to handle data,it will be virtually impossible for a revolution to happen again,ever.

The first,and most important thing they are going to do is eliminate cash and create a digital debit and credit system that contains ALL of every individual on Earth's entire history.

Piss off some government flunky or just be known to run your mouth about "nonsense" like individual liberties,and you are toast. There will be no running and hiding from the authorities because there will be no cash and all of your digital assets will have disappeared the instant some minimum wage government flunkie was ordered to delete your personal ID number.

You won't even be able to buy a cup of coffee at the convenience store where you dialed the toll-free number to tell the authorities where to come and pick you up to take you to the salt mines because people that don't exist don't have bank accounts or ID numbers. The ONLY thing you can do for free is call to turn yourself in.

Beware the cashless society.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   18:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#0)

Yeah,he was murdered during a robbery. That's why he wasn't robbed.

It is not necessarily correct to conclude that Rich was not robbed because his wallet, phone, and watch were not taken. It is possible that the most valuable possession on his person, and the only thing of interest, was a thumb drive with gigabits of data.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-23   19:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#15)

There will be no running and hiding from the authorities because there will be no cash and all of your digital assets will have disappeared the instant some minimum wage government flunkie was ordered to delete your personal ID number.

Even with digital money, control will not necessarily reside with the government. Bitcoin is a decentralized currency that no government, central bank or other entity, governmental or non-governmental, can control. It's not possible to delete a bitcoin wallet. At least not until quantum computing becomes a reality, and then someone will make a quantum currency.

Of course govs will create their own digital currency which would/could be as you describe. But Bitcoin has real market worth that would compete with any electronic debit currency.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-23   21:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite, sneakypete (#17)

Bitcoin is a decentralized currency that no government, central bank or other entity, governmental or non-governmental, can control.

Government can quite easily prohibit any and all corporate entities from engaging in any bitcoin transaction. You can be a bitcoin millionaire and not be able to buy a cup of coffee.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-23   21:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nolu chan, yukon clone (#18)

Government can quite easily prohibit any and all corporate entities from engaging in any bitcoin transaction. You can be a bitcoin millionaire and not be able to buy a cup of coffee.

Thanks, yukon clone. We really needed your authoritarian view about how great any government *is.*

buckeroo  posted on  2017-05-23   22:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nolu chan (#18)

Government can quite easily prohibit any and all corporate entities from engaging in any bitcoin transaction. You can be a bitcoin millionaire and not be able to buy a cup of coffee.

Market forces would cause exchange services to arise. Corps could buy and sell through such exchanges, which would set gov coin prices to match current bitcoin value.

The possibilities are rather endless with the cat and mouse situation that might be created. I'm sure if it was logistically possible to outlaw bitcoin, it would have been done so by now.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-23   22:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: nolu chan (#16)

It is not necessarily correct to conclude that Rich was not robbed because his wallet, phone, and watch were not taken. It is possible that the most valuable possession on his person, and the only thing of interest, was a thumb drive with gigabits of data.

I'd say it's more likely than just "possible" that is EXACTLY what happened.

He wasn't murdered by random by someone who couldn't even be bothered to steal his money or jewelry. Murderers don't work for charity.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   22:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite (#17)

But Bitcoin has real market worth that would compete with any electronic debit currency.

No it won't and can't because there won't be anywhere you can legally spend it. What good is money to you that you can't use?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   22:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan (#18) (Edited)

Government can quite easily prohibit any and all corporate entities from engaging in any bitcoin transaction. You can be a bitcoin millionaire and not be able to buy a cup of coffee.

BINGO!

Once money goes digital,we are all slaves.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   22:49:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pinguinite, nolu chan, All (#23)

Ping to #22

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-23   22:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite, sneakypete (#20)

Corps could buy and sell through such exchanges, which would set gov coin prices to match current bitcoin value.

The possibilities are rather endless with the cat and mouse situation that might be created.

A corporation is "[a]n artificial person or legal entity created by or under the authority of the laws of a state." Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.

If the government is challenged by bitcoin, the response can be to make the penalty for any infringing corporation to be dissolved. The corporate entity would cease to exist. WalMart could not do business on a mass scale in illegal digital currency on a down low basis where they would not be caught. Corporations would not touch the crap.

The NSA could shut down such a currency at will. The corporate world cannot depend on a currency that could be drained dry like Mt. Gox.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-23   23:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#23)

Once money goes digital,we are all slaves.

India has been moving to a cashless, digital currency.

I would not want any part of that, but the world can observe how it turns out.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-23   23:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#22)

No it won't and can't because there won't be anywhere you can legally spend it. What good is money to you that you can't use?

Bitcoin is information, and "spending" consists of trading information. You can legally "spend" bitcoin anywhere Freedom of Speech exists.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-23   23:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#23)

Once money goes digital,we are all slaves.

No, not so fast.

Cryptocurrency, like many other things, can be used by either the forces of evil or forces of niceness (to quote Get Smart). As I said, if it were logistically/legally possible to outlaw bitcoin, it would probably have been done by now.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-23   23:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: nolu chan (#25)

The NSA could shut down such a currency at will. .

Since bitcoin is decentralized, that would be quite a task. Bitcoin is based on BlockChain technology, which is a redundant database distributed throughout the net. The authority for who has how much bitcoin is essentially by popular consensus among all nodes (databases) in the blockchain as a whole. So if you managed to fool one node or even several nodes into saying you were a bitcoin billionaire, once other nodes failed to agree, the errant nodes would correct the error, and you'd be poor again.

Nuclear war could take out the entire western hemisphere, and blockchain nodes in the eastern hemisphere would carry on registering bitcoin transactions. Or vice versa.

I suppose the only conceivable way to kill bitcoin would be with a virus that would be tuned only to attack blockchain nodes, the virus scheduled to wipe out nodes at a universally set time. But even with that, it's only a hope that all nodes would be infected by the appointed hour, and even then, there's the potential for backup nodes.

If the government is challenged by bitcoin, the response can be to make the penalty for any infringing corporation to be dissolved. The corporate entity would cease to exist.

You seemed to have missed my point.

Say that happened and Walmart only dealt in "legal" digital currency. I have bitcoin and want something from Walmart but they don't take bitcoin. Fine. I'll exchange my bitcoin for state sanctioned currency with some third party exchange vendor, and then I can buy from Walmart. With automation, the transaction could take all of an extra 5 nanoseconds.

Corporations would not touch the crap.

They don't have to. Technology trumps the law, in this case.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-24   0:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nolu chan (#26)

India has been moving to a cashless, digital currency.

I would not want any part of that, but the world can observe how it turns out.

Indeed we will. Digital currency is coming as part of the exponentially increasing growth of technology. It can't be stopped as a matter of "natural" technological progression. While digital currency will certainly be alluring for governments that see it as a means to greater control (something it appears we both agree is undesirable) I theorize acclimation of the populace to use of digital money will have the unexpected side effect of opening the doors to much more widespread acceptance of decentralized currency as well, hense my response to your hypothetical scenario with Walmart. In fact, since exchanges of currency will be possible to complete while standing in front of a cashier, countries themselves will start to experience much more competition between themselves. Stores could accept any currency the spender happens to have whether it's pounds, yen, euro's, rupee's or... bitcoin. Or if not bitcoin, then fine, exchange bitcoin for something else while people behind you in line wait a few seconds more.

But countries that have failing digital currencies may end up eventually seeing their currency fall to disuse in favor of foreign currencies even within their own borders. Digital currency won't be the authoritarian wet dream some may be expecting.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-24   0:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite, sneakypete (#27)

Bitcoin is information, and "spending" consists of trading information. You can legally "spend" bitcoin anywhere Freedom of Speech exists.

As for U.S. law and your creative interpretations of it, remind me again about why you emigrated to Ecuador.

Only the U.S. government has authority to issue legal currency within the United States. Make any phony crap and issue it as currency and you get prosecuted.

Bitcoin is considered property and not legal tender in any U.S. jurisdiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_currency

In 2013, Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), a bureau of the US Treasury, in contrast to its regulations defining currency as "the coin and paper money of the United States or of any other country that [i] is designated as legal tender and that [ii] circulates and [iii] is customarily used and accepted as a medium of exchange in the country of issuance", also called "real currency" by FinCEN, defined virtual currency as "a medium of exchange that operates like a currency in some environments, but does not have all the attributes of real currency". In particular, virtual currency does not have legal tender status in any jurisdiction.[2]

[...]

The IRS decided in March 2014, to treat bitcoin and other virtual currencies as property for tax purposes, not currency.[11][12]

[...]

A cryptocurrency is a digital currency using cryptography to secure transactions and to control the creation of new currency units.[21] Since not all virtual currencies use cryptography, not all virtual currencies are cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrencies are generally not legal tender. Ecuador is the first country attempting a government run digital currency -no cryptocurrency; during the introductory phase from Christmas Eve 2014 until mid February 2015 people can open accounts and change passwords. At the end of February 2015 transactions of electronic money will be possible.[22][23]

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ecuador-bans-bitcoin-favor-own-national-cryptocurrency/

Ecuador Bans Bitcoin In Favor Of Own National Cryptocurrency

Venzen Khaosan on 27/07/2014

On the 23rd of July, the government of Ecuador effectively banned bitcoin, along with all other cryptocurrencies, reports the PanAm Post. The legislation forms part of a reform of the country’s monetary and financial laws. The bill was approved by 91 members of parliament, with 22 votes against and 3 abstentions. President Rafael Correa, who introduced the reform bill, will sign it into law.

[...]

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-24   16:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Say that happened and Walmart only dealt in "legal" digital currency. I have bitcoin and want something from Walmart but they don't take bitcoin. Fine. I'll exchange my bitcoin for state sanctioned currency with some third party exchange vendor, and then I can buy from Walmart. With automation, the transaction could take all of an extra 5 nanoseconds.

There will be no such thing as currency. ONLY digital credits and debits,all ran through a government money exchange.

And don't even try to say the bankers will never allow this to happen because they are the ones behind it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-24   20:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite (#30)

In fact, since exchanges of currency will be possible to complete while standing in front of a cashier, countries themselves will start to experience much more competition between themselves. Stores could accept any currency the spender happens to have whether it's pounds, yen, euro's, rupee's or... bitcoin. Or if not bitcoin, then fine, exchange bitcoin for something else while people behind you in line wait a few seconds more.

There will be no exchange rates. One World Government,Inc will control digital banking and 1 credit will have the same purchasing power in New Delhi that it does in Berlin.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-24   20:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: nolu chan (#31)

As for U.S. law and your creative interpretations of it, remind me again about why you emigrated to Ecuador.

Because I like it better. I'll also remind you that a common tactic employed by those losing a debate is to resort to insults. You should be above that.

Only the U.S. government has authority to issue legal currency within the United States. Make any phony crap and issue it as currency and you get prosecuted.

Prosecution is only for imitating US legal tender currency, otherwise known as counterfeiting. Any community wanting to use poker chips as money is free to do so, so long as no representation made about the poker chips being US issued currency.

Bitcoin is considered property and not legal tender in any U.S. jurisdiction.

In particular, virtual currency does not have legal tender status in any jurisdiction.[2]

You bolded the part about currency having "legal tender status". But what is "legal tender"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but currency that is "legal tender" means (at least in the USA) that if you offer payment having that status and the receiver refuses to accept it, the debt is considered paid. In other words, legal tender laws force people to accept crap money as something of real value. Currency is given such status when it has no intrinsic value on its own, as currency with intrinsic value, such as gold and silver does not require legal tender status.

So quite naturally, bitcoin will never, ever, ever have legal tender status. Ever. If someone doesn't want it, they suffer no penalty for refusing it. But even so, bitcoin still is a marketable commodity, albeit a virtual one.

And, by the way, FINCEN doesn't make federal law anyway. And neither does the IRS.

Ecuador Bans Bitcoin In Favor Of Own National Cryptocurrency

Meaning what, exactly? That I could go to jail because I have access to bitcoin which exists solely as data in redundant databases worldwide, And I happen to be walking down the street in Ecuador? Do you think Ecuador law calls for imprisoning anyone who has *access* to bitcoin?

Did you know that you can get a bitcoin debit card? What you do is open an account at an international vendor. They send you a plastic debit card. You deposit bitcoin in your debit card account. And then when you use your card at any point of sale worldwide, or an ATM, the transaction goes through and your account is deducted the equivalent amount of bitcoin, including service fees, of course. So in this case, bitcoin doesn't even enter Ecuador jurisdiction. The exchange between bitcoin and the national currency (US Dollars) takes place in the country having the bitcoin debit card service. So Ecuador cannot do squat (it's not unusual for stupid laws to be passed in Latin America). Did you hear that President Maduro in Venezuela wants to ban lines of people that extend out of bakeries? Apparently the country's food shortage is embarrassing so this is his way of making people not hungry.

But this is what I meant about technology trumping law. This is reality today. Check out wirex: https://wirexapp.com/

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-25   1:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#33)

There will be no exchange rates.

Top 40 sites for exchanging bitcoin. https://www.bestbitcoinexchange.io/

One World Government,Inc will control digital banking and 1 credit will have the same purchasing power in New Delhi that it does in Berlin.

Not so sure how easy that will work out. It's one of the things dogging the Euro. In any event, right now investors xfer wealth between fiat currencies as worldwide political and market conditions change, and this helps prop up all currencies. For example, when people lose confidence in the Euro, they sell Euros and buy US dollars. Then when things don't look good for the USD, they sell dollars and buy, say Japanese Yen.

But if there's only one world currency, then it won't be possible to flee to other currencies. So instead, they'll flee to commodities like oil, corn and gold. So in the end, even a one-world currency will suffer fluctuations in real value, arguably even moreso than happens today with competing national currencies.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-25   1:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pinguinite (#35)

There will be no exchange rates.

Top 40 sites for exchanging bitcoin. https://www.bestbitcoinexchange.io/

It's not all that complex,and I honestly can't understand why you don't "get it".

Is it because you don't WANT to "get it"?

Just exactly what do YOU think the words "One World Government" means?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-25   17:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#34)

As for U.S. law and your creative interpretations of it, remind me again about why you emigrated to Ecuador.

Because I like it better. I'll also remind you that a common tactic employed by those losing a debate is to resort to insults. You should be above that.

Give up with that crap already. You documented it all online and I have copies of your posts and you know it.

Your stated legal arguments were legal nonsense, just as your current legal arguments are delusional.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

http://www.cjmciver.org/cgi-bin/lwanread.cgi?2004-09-19 [can no longer access at link]

In your article on The Trial, you stated:

* If I proceed, I've got a 50/50 chance of winning, but I'm being handed a sure 'win' of sorts -- in the form of no criminal record -- on a silver platter.

At that moment the expatriation argument seemed to weigh heaviest of all things. This whole 'justice' system is a joke and I had the opportunity to make it all go away.

I looked at the judge and in what might be my most infamous moment, said 'I'll take it'.

[...]

I'm intrigued, and plan to visit this place -- I'll call it Oz -- and see for myself what it's like, because in my personal situation, with no wife, no kids, and a skill where geography means nothing, I actually have little practical need to stay in America. If learning a new language is the biggest obstical, I can overcome it. I have family that I love and very good friends that are very dear to me here, but beyond that, it seems all the land of the free has to offer me is continued second rate citizenship which culminated with criminal charges on May 17th. Is that actually going to change? The famed retort 'If you don't like America, why don't you leave' isn't just a sarcastic comment anymore. Beyond being a suggestion, it might be a good idea.

When you present your wackaloon views of the law to police or courts, it does not end well. You presumed you can present your nutbaggery to the police and act like a jerk and not face consequences.

What you proved is that you have a right to express your views on the law, and when you act on your misguided views, the police have the right to put your butt in jail. When the rubber met the road, you pleaded guilty, and you had no case to proceed with other than fringe tax protester gobbledygook.

As for your LWAN (Living Without A Number) delusion, you had a Social Security Number all the time, just as you have one now. Once you have one, it stays with you, delusional tax protester gobbledygook notwithstanding. Nor do your delusions entitle you to drive without a valid license, or with a suspended license, without consequences.

Regarding the law, you have a penchant to state things as fact which are directly contrary to actual law or opinions of the U.S. Supreme Court. You are entitled to your opinion even if it is delusional and has no basis in law. Others are entitled to state actual law.

As you discovered, acting on your delusions may entitle you to a jail cell.

And you made clear that you decided to leave the U.S. because you felt all the country had to offer you was continued second rate citizenship, and the best way to make the U.S. justice system leave your life would be for you to leave the country.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-05-25   17:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nolu chan (#37)

You seem to have forgotten the discussion was about digital current, not me. You should learn to lose with at least a little bit of grace instead of resorting to insults and attacking with issues not raised.

Lawyer strategy: When the law is on your side, pound on the law. When the facts are on your side pound on the facts. When neither is on your side, pound on the table.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-25   23:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#36)

It's not all that complex,and I honestly can't understand why you don't "get it".

Is it because you don't WANT to "get it"?

Just exactly what do YOU think the words "One World Government" means?

Maybe I don't get it. But I suspect you don't either. We're not communicating very well today, are we?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-05-26   2:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Pinguinite (#39)

We're not communicating very well today, are we?

We don't seem to be.

Maybe a better explanation is that a One World Government was the dream of Stalin,Hitler,and every other dictator in history.

How open do you think Stalin or Hitler would have been to an underground economy not under their control that was fueled by bitcoins?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-05-26   6:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



      .
      .
      .

Comments (41 - 62) not displayed.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com