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The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: Libertysflame is rapidly become rabidly anti President Trump
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Published: Apr 30, 2017
Author: Self
Post Date: 2017-04-30 16:40:42 by BobCeleste
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libertysflame.com is rapidly becoming both anti-Trump and irrelevant.

Saturday April 29th, 2017 marked the end of President Trumps first 100 days in office.

The list of his accomplishments was overwhelming, but, imagine how much more he could have accomplished for We, The People, had he not had to contend with:

A hostile House lead by never Trumper Paul Ryan,

A hostile senate led by never Trumper Mitch McConnell,

The hostile never Trump Fake News, not just in Maine but nationwide,

The hostile lawyers playing reporters and reporterettes in the White House press corps, or are they reporters and reporterettes playing hostile never Trump lawyers?

A hostile court system where two bit district judges get to overrule the President of These Uninted States on matters of national defense.

While we Trumpsters cannot do much about the judges and the fake news today, we can deal with the Congress come November 2018, for on Tuesday, November 6, 2018. During the mid-term elections, all 435 seats in the United States House of Representatives and 33 of the 100 seats in the United States Senate will be up for grabs.

Until then, we can boycott every advertiser of every fake news entity.


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#1. To: BobCeleste (#0)

Libertysflame is rapidly become rabidly anti President Trump

As I result I come much less frequent.

Stay and fight, Bob....counter every article and post they make with whatever you can find.

The anti-Trumpeters are not in a plurality on LF.

It’s just that one anti-Trump libertarian asshole has the biggest mouth [posts the most articles] and he has 2 companion assholes doing their Little Sir Echo routine in his Amen corner …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-30   16:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BobCeleste, all (#0)

No they have always been who they are(spoiled children).

Those that voted for Trump knew what they were getting.

Its the crazy anarchist that attach themselves with the far left progressives because like all children who did not get everything they want they throw a selfish fit and attack their own side. Its no wonder they always lose!

Justified  posted on  2017-04-30   16:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BobCeleste, Gatlin, Justified (#0)

You Got Trumped! Trump rapidly losing strongest supporters

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-30   17:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard, BobCeleste, Justified (#3)

You Got Trumped! Trump rapidly losing strongest supporters

Fake News!

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-30   17:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin, Deckard, BobCeleste (#4)

Fake News!

Yep. Deckard is an anarchist. He is only happy when everyone is unhappy.

Justified  posted on  2017-04-30   17:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gatlin (#4)

Fake News!

Even one of Trump’s loudest and brashest supporters — Michael Savage, a man who talks a lot like Trump — is now expressing deep concerns to Alex Jones, another Trump-talking supporter — about how entirely different President Trump looks from Candidate Trump.

 

 

Here are some excerpts from the interview:

 

I don’t know whether we can reach Trump…. Someone has now turned him…. The president’s now launched wars…. What in the hell is going on here…? Who is leading here…? The world is upside down. Who is making these decisions…? We are being tested like we have never been tested before. I don’t know how we come out of this…. I don’t know if Donald Trump is listening to anyone other than this inner cadre around him…. What kind of presidency is this?

 

While Politico has always been an enemy of Trump, the following quotes from Trump’s supporters match what I am seeing everywhere:

 

As Trump struggles to keep his campaign promises and flirts with political moderation, his most steadfast supporters — from veteran advisers to anti-immigration activists to the volunteers who dropped their jobs to help elect him — are increasingly dismayed by the direction of his presidency….

The crux of their disillusionment, interviews with nearly two dozen Trump loyalists reveal, is a belief that Trump the candidate bears little resemblance to Trump the president. He’s failing, in their view, to deliver on his promise of a transformative “America First” agenda driven by hard-edged populism…. Said Tania Vojvodic, a fervent Trump supporter who founded one of his first campaign volunteer networks.

“We expect him to keep his word, and right now he’s not keeping his word…. I’m not so infatuated with Trump that I can’t see the facts…. People’s belief, their trust in him, it’s declining….” Said Lee Stranahan, who, as a former writer at Breitbart News, once worked with Bannon. “There was always the question of, ‘Did he really believe this stuff?’ Apparently, the answer is, ‘Not as much as you’d like.’”(Politico)

 

 

As it turns out that, when you try to drain the swamp, the swamp drains you. The most extraordinary thing about the changes Trump has made in his first hundred days are his own personal transformation into Establishment Man.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-30   17:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BobCeleste (#0)

Whatever Trump hasn't accomplished, he has proposed. And ALL fit his campaign promises.

I don't fault Trump for Congress' inactions, nor do I fault him for a hostile judicial system and a hostile press.

It's been 100 days and we do have Gorsuch -- a huge win. 30 Executive Orders overturning much of Obama's mess. Waiting on the courts for the refugee and sanctuary cities decisions. Healthcare is close and Congress has a firm tax reform blueprint. The wall will be built.

What's not to like?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-04-30   17:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Justified (#5)

Deckard is an anarchist.

You don't have a clue what the word means.

He is only happy when everyone is unhappy.

Don't blame me because Trump has fooled you idiots into thinking that he'll ever keep his campaign promises.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-30   17:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#6)

Fake News!

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-30   17:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Justified (#5)

Yep. Deckard is an anarchist. He is only happy when everyone is unhappy.

Absolutely SPOT ON ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-30   17:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BobCeleste (#0) (Edited)

Libertysflame is rapidly become rabidly anti President Trump

That's because Trump has become more anti president Trump. Too many of his kids and assorted screw-ups in his administation. Too many bad decisions.

rlk  posted on  2017-04-30   17:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#8)

Don't blame me because Trump has fooled you idiots into thinking that he'll ever keep his campaign promises.

He did not fool me. I knew who he was. He was not Clinton and he has done more for America as a whole in a hundred days than the last 4 presidents combined in their whole term.

Never will be a perfect president and thats your problem because you desire what can not be. So maybe its time for you and your elk to grow up. Help push the football in the direction best desired instead of throwing a fit and running home crying like a baby!

Yes I know what an anarchist is and you fit them to a Tee.

Justified  posted on  2017-04-30   17:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin (#9)

Fake News!

I will take the tyme and tell you what is not fake news. You continue to suckle the government's teat dragging down taxpayer's contributions to the country.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-04-30   17:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Justified (#12)

So maybe its time for you and your elk to grow up

First of all, I don't own any elk - that would be illegal. I do however own a cat and he was insulted by your insinuation.

He was not Clinton...

Well he does have THAT going for him anyways.

...and he has done more for America as a whole in a hundred days than the last 4 presidents combined in their whole term.

Nothing like a little hyperbole to start the day.

Yes I know what an anarchist is and you fit them to a Tee.

Because I point out Trump's conversion to neo-conservativism and post articles about how disappointing many of his supporters find him, I'm an "anarchist"? Whatever big guy.

No - you really don't know what the word means.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-30   17:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#14)

...and he has done more for America as a whole in a hundred days than the last 4 presidents combined in their whole term.

Nothing like a little hyperbole to start the day.

No hyperbole there. Its just the facts. The last 4 have been sorry presidents. If Trump had not done a damn thing he would have done more for America as a whole then the last 4 presidents.

Anarchist are always negative and want destruction of everything in whole or part.

Justified  posted on  2017-04-30   18:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BobCeleste (#0)

As I result I come much less frequent.

I'm sure Jimmy will be very happy to see you.

Woo hoo!! Our 2nd quarter FReepathon is well underway!!

Willie Green  posted on  2017-04-30   18:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#6) (Edited)

The Donald is the first TransGendered President- he's morphed into the Evil Witch Hillary

Some people just don't get that it's the policy not the person. Shame on them, they're nothing but cheap high school cheerleaders. And maybe they just don't want to admit you were right about the Dumpster.

Jimmy Dore: 3 Ways Trump Has Already Betrayed His Base

Operation 40  posted on  2017-04-30   18:08:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Operation 40, Deckard (#17)

Some people just don't get that it's the policy not the person. Shame on them, they're nothing but cheap high school cheerleaders. And maybe they just don't want to admit you were right about the Dumpster.

No its the grownup's knowing he is not perfect and that he is the only one fighting for us that have the power to do the fighting. Sorry you all or nothing people are just freaking nuts. The 100% my way or the highway is what gets people like the Clintons elected and we all know where that leads us.

We are not so naive to think Trump can do it all and may needs to be pushed in the right directions at times to keep him on the path getting our nation back in the direction it needs to go.

Justified  posted on  2017-04-30   18:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BobCeleste (#0)

I remain firmly convinced that I chose the right man when I voted for Donald Trump, and I am impressed with his track record thus far.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-30   18:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Vicomte13, Animal Farm, Operation 40, Deckard (#19) (Edited)

I am impressed with his track record thus far

It IS amazing!

He seems to like the queer old geezers like Ruby Giuliani and Liberace

A threesome with Andy Warhol, horse & jockey

The Donald's way of trying to cut down on marriages and alimony payments?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2017-04-30   23:12:15 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: hondo68 (#20)

I always found Liberace entertaining.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-01   10:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#1)

A seemingly more peaceful time.

Oh ya, they had their democrats too, his name was hitler.

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-01   17:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#3)

He was losing none, but if he signs the budget that does not fund the wall but does fund the slaughter of 35,000 babies in the womb, he will lose some.

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-01   17:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#7)

What's not to like?

If he signs and does not veto the budget.

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-01   17:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#11)

Too many of his kids and assorted screw-ups in his administation. Too many bad decisions.

Well said CNN.

He has been doing fine, but this budget deal has to be vetoed.

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-01   17:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Willie Green (#16)

I'm sure Jimmy will be very happy to see you.

funny you mention that, for while I have yet to post more than one or two comments and no original thought, I have, after 17 years, been unbanned.

http://freerepublic.com/~bobceleste/

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-01   17:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#19)

I remain firmly convinced that I chose the right man when I voted for Donald Trump, and I am impressed with his track record thus far.

Me too, unless he signs this anti-life pro-abortion budget the House just passed.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll236.xml

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-01   17:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: BobCeleste (#24)

"If he signs and does not veto the budget."

You gotta pick your fights. Why shut down the government over a couple of small issues? Shut it down in September when the entire budget comes up.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-01   18:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BobCeleste (#26)

I have, after 17 years, been unbanned.

He must be getting desperate...
It looks like he unbanned me also: freerepublic.com/~williegreen/

But I freely choose to ignore that status and will continue to boycott that dumbed-down echo chamber.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-05-01   20:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: BobCeleste (#23)

He just signed, and is happy with, a deal that doesn't fund the Wall, but that does fund Planned Parenthood.

There was no better time to fight than now.

He betrayed us. He lied to us. Just like the Republicans always do.

Lucy moved the football again, and I fell for this carnival barker.

NEVER again.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-02   10:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: BobCeleste (#27)

I was a dupe. I really believed him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-02   10:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite (#28)

You gotta pick your fights. Why shut down the government over a couple of small issues?

The slaughter of between 35,000 and 70,000 little human babies trapped in the womb, is not a small issue.

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-03   9:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Willie Green (#29)

You were only banned for seven years.

last post: 10/14/2010

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-03   9:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

I feel the same, this bill, if he signs it, will result in the offering of between 35,000 and 70,000 little human babies, to satan as little human blood sacrifices.

Pray. my friend, that he vetoes it.

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-03   9:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

Me too, I lost many a friend over that last campaign.

It is time to hunt down pedophiles.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-03   9:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: BobCeleste (#32)

"The slaughter of between 35,000 and 70,000 little human babies trapped in the womb, is not a small issue."

Trump ran on a platform of making abortion illegal?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   9:36:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

"He just signed, and is happy with, a deal that doesn't fund the Wall, but that does fund Planned Parenthood."

From the OMB press conference yesterday:

"As to Planned Parenthood, yeah, it does fund that. It absolutely does. And we were concerned about that to begin with and then thought it through and had a chance to talk with some pro-life leaders both on the Hill and then off the Hill from some of the outside groups. I think everybody came to one realization, which is that if you’re serious -- if you’re a lawmaker serious about voting to defund Planned Parenthood -- then your opportunity to do that is in the AHCA, the American Healthcare Act, which the House is currently debating right now."

"So we decided not to fight the Planned Parenthood battle on this funding bill because it’s contained in the AHCA, which we hope to take up this week as well".

So we'll see if they can cut PP funding in the AHCA. Since they only need 51% to do so, I'd be surprised if they don't. Which will save "between 35,000 and 70,000 little human babies trapped in the womb" according to BobCeleste.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   9:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#36)

Trump ran on a platform of making abortion illegal?

He ran on a pro-life platform and said that he would defund Planned Parenthood.

He said he would build a Border Wall.

He said that he would renegotiate trade treaties with China in favor of the US.

He said we were going to stay out of Syria.

He said a lot of things that were very different from what Republicans or Democrats were saying.

And I and millions of others believed him.

He was never shy of confrontation, and he said he was a great dealmaker. Look at the confrontation-free crap sandwich of a deal that he supports now, as he asks for money to plunge into foreign entanglements and lets China be for their "support" against North Korea.

On a variety of issues he said the equivalent of "Read my lips, no new taxes", just like HW Bush did. That's WHY he got elected. That's WHY I gave the Republican brand - which I hate - one more chance.

I was duped. So many of us were.

He's not doing what he promised us. He's doing damn near the OPPOSITE of it.

He got power from us promising one set of things, but then sided with our enemies to do the opposite.

He broke faith. We read his lips, and they told us lies.

This Republican-controlled budget funds Planned Parenthood. He said he would defund them. Trump is a liar. The Republicans are liars: they are not pro-life.

Those of us who believed him have been had.

Never again. Never, ever again.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   9:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#38) (Edited)

"And I and millions of others believed him."

Seems to me that you believed all this would be accomplished in the first 100 days. Since it didn't happen, you're prepared to give up and call Trump a liar.

Fine. That's your opinion. Maybe Hillary will run again and this time you can vote for her. THEN you can whine about all the shit not getting done in your timeframe.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   10:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: BobCeleste (#33)

You were only banned for seven years.

last post: 10/14/2010

Yeah... well there was a time when a wide variety of articles & topics were welcome there... and I posted literally thousands of threads...
But then Jimmy got his tit in a wringer over my support of passenger rail systems and went on some kind of nutzoid Tea-Party rant about passenger trains being a pinko-commie plot... so fuck him and I ain't going back...
And now if you look at the articles posted, they're all just a heavily censored & narrow-minded echo chamber of mundane, activist tabloid tripe.

I swear... I get bored to death when I scan their Latest Articles... It's worse than Groundhog Day... the same old crap, over & over & over & over again... etc. etc. etc.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-05-03   10:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Vicomte13 (#38) (Edited)

Self Delete.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-05-03   10:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: misterwhite (#39)

Seems to me that you believed all this would be accomplished in the first 100 days. Since it didn't happen, you're prepared to give up and call Trump a liar.

If it seems that way to you, then you are an undiscerning person.

When somebody is pro-life, then I expect him to be pro-life in ALL of his decisions.

So, for example, when he says that he is going to defund Planned Parenthood, then I damned well expect him to fight to defund Planned Parenthood the first time, and every time, it comes up on a bill. I don't expect him to agree to fund it the first time it comes up, and then vaguely promise to do it later.

When he says he's going to build a wall, then I expect him to fight constantly on every bill, to build that Wall. I do not expect him to not stand and fight for it, and just sign a funding bill without a fight.

If he won't shut down the government now to keep his promises, he won't do it later.

But you are an undiscerning person, so rather than have a stupid and pointless fight now, I will do with you what I did with AKA Stone. With Stone, I said I would wait until this budget deal was proposed before going back to him on it. I thought Trump would screw us, and I was right, but I was willing to hold off on discussing that with him until Trump had proven it.

With you, it appears you're going to take the "not yet" approach. You always will, because you care more about the Republican Party and its power than about the issues I have named.

Nevertheless, I will simply hold off having any further discussion on this with you until September. Republicans like you are saying "Wait until September".

Ok, I will wait until September to discuss it with you. Then, when Trump and the Republicans screw us AGAIN, I will post an I TOLD YOU SO message.

Trump and the Republicans have no intention of EVER allowing a government shutdown over Planned Parenthood OR the Border Wall. They will always shuck and jive. It's what Republicans do. Their leaders are the most dishonest people in America. The rest of them are undiscerning.

Trump duped me into voting GOP one last time. Never again.

Of course if, come September, he DOES jam through the Planned Parenthood cutoff and funding for the Border Wall, I will give him credit for it.

You'll be able to knock me over with a feather if that really happens.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   10:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: misterwhite (#39)

Maybe Hillary will run again and this time you can vote for her.

No. I would just stay home and not vote. When the alternative is Democrats or Republicans, the solution is to look at the third parties. If they are not acceptable either (and currently they are not; the Reform Party was), then the solution is to go have lunch, not to vote for any of the unacceptable.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   10:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#42)

"So, for example, when he says that he is going to defund Planned Parenthood, then I damned well expect him to fight to defund Planned Parenthood the first time, and every time, it comes up on a bill."

Sure. He could have. He could have defunded Planned Parenthood in the CR spending bill. Of course, that would require 60 votes in the Senate to keep the government from shutting down -- for which the Republicans would again be blamed.

OR

He could let the Democrats have their little victory and keep it in the CR spending bill and get that bill passed, keeping the government open. THEN, defund it in the AHCA where he needs only a simple majority.

Now. What makes more sense to you? Yeah. What I figured.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   10:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Vicomte13 (#43)

"I would just stay home and not vote."

If you don't vote then you have no say on this forum or anywhere else. Maybe that's for the better if you continue to post your irrational bullshit.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   10:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: misterwhite (#39)

You are absolutely correct….and of course you know that.

I thought it would it would be the right thing to post that….and it was.

Whiners need to realize Trump was elected for 4 years….not 100 days.

I can’t understand some people….they don’t even understand themselves.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-05-03   10:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: misterwhite (#45)

"If you don't vote then you have no say on this forum..."

That is not the law, nor the rules, nor anything. It's your opinion. And it's not true.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   11:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Gatlin (#46)

This is the first time I heard OMB Director Mick Mulvaney speak. Wow. And I thought Trey Gowdy was good. It's worth the 45+ minutes.

Starts at 4:20

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   11:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Vicomte13 (#47)

"It's your opinion. And it's not true."

My opinion is not true? This is what I meant by your irrational bullshit.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   11:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Gatlin (#46)

I'll be back to you in September, when the Republicans screw us again by not defunding Planned Parenthood, not building the Wall. When they have not repealed Obamacare, as they so often promised to do.

When they have not even begun to renegotiate NAFTA or the trade deals with China.

In September I will write I TOLD YOU SO to both of you.

And, like the girlfriends of abusers, you'll have new excuses for your Republican boyfriends that explain how it's all part of a master plan, etc.

Until then, sayonara.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   11:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: misterwhite (#49)

Your party is the one that lies to you, not me.

How many times have we heard "Next time...", "Next time..."

Next time it's always the same: "Times' not right [for some bullshit tactical reason], next time..."

Time has run out. This time, or no time.

My "irrational bullshit", and that of millions of others like me are the reason Trump won and the Republicans are in power.

The Republicans have broken faith and refuse to fight, refuse to do what they said. So it will be me and millions of other "irrationals" like me who strip the power from them in the next election.

September is not the time to fight, a bare year from the next elections. NOW is the time to fight. The only people you Republicans want to fight are people like me - the people who put you there.

Know why the Democrats are crowing that they just won big? Because they DID.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   12:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Vicomte13 (#51)

"Times' not right [for some bullshit tactical reason], next time..."

Well, this wasn't the time. This was a stupid little continuing resolution to keep the government open. It needed 60 votes, forcing a compromise. This is what compromise looks like.

You want the Republicans to act like dictators because "they won"? Fine. Then nothing will get passed. That what you want?

Quit acting like a child.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   12:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: misterwhite (#52)

The Republicans have the power to ram through everything by ending the filibuster rule.

They choose not to.

And so none of those promises they make will ever happen, and the Democrats will set the standards of what is acceptable and what is not.

May as well have Democrats, then, than give Republicans power, have them refuse to do it, and see them lie through their teeth.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   12:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Vicomte13 (#53)

"The Republicans have the power to ram through everything by ending the filibuster rule."

THAT'S your solution? Might as well ask for a magic wand.

"And so none of those promises they make will ever happen, and the Democrats will set the standards of what is acceptable and what is not."

Oh? They have less power than the Republicans. How will they be able to "set the standards"? You're making no sense. Again.

With the filibuster in place, Republicans and Democrats will have to negotiate. Just as they did recently. Just as they used to do years ago.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   13:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: misterwhite (#54)

THAT'S your solution? Might as well ask for a magic wand.

There are two tools.

The filibuster rule can be suspended by a simple majority vote. The Republicans have the majority. If they refuse to do it, it is the Republicans who are refusing to act.

If the Democrats will not yield, then let the government shut down and keep it shut, potentially for weeks, months, until September and beyond.

If the Republicans are unwilling to shut the government down, the Democrats can and will do exactly as they have done all along: demand whatever they want and hold the GOP hostage. And when the GOP meekly submits, the Democrats win.

If you don't want to cancel the filibuster rule, then make the Democrats actually have to filibuster, and physically wear them out, waiting for a procedural slip.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   14:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: misterwhite (#54)

With the filibuster in place, Republicans and Democrats will have to negotiate. Just as they did recently.

Yes. And the result: the Democrats won everything and protected everything, and the Republicans lost everything - everything that Trump promised the people who swung over to him for him to win was sacrificed. The crony capitalist Republican shitstains got their pork, and the Democrats got the government.

No thanks. I would rather have Democrat rule than lying Republican rule that amounts to the same thing. At least the Democrats will engage in aggressive wealth redistribution to rip the wealth out of the hands of the Republican crony capitalists.

Republicans - and Trump - have to do what they promised to do, and that will mean open political war with the Democrats, not compromise. Otherwise, the Democrats will continue to rule the country even though they are in the minority.

And the people who came out for Trump will stay home in two years, and the Democrats will win back the Congress, and impeach the lying son of a bitch.

He campaigned on fighting. He was elected to fight. If he won't fight, impeach him and hand the government over to the other side. They're at least honest scumbags.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   14:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Vicomte13 (#55)

"The filibuster rule can be suspended by a simple majority vote. The Republicans have the majority. If they refuse to do it, it is the Republicans who are refusing to act."

Yep. All true.

But the filibuster has been around since the founding and it's unlikely to change. And you want to change it just so we can defund Planned Parenthood? It's been funded for almost 50 years, yet you want to shut down the government if we don't defund it right now. Lord save us from people like you.

And when the Democrats become the majority, then what? How do you think we stopped Obama? Good looks?

"If the Democrats will not yield, then let the government shut down and keep it shut, potentially for weeks, months, until September and beyond."

Shut it down why? Because we didn't get 100% of what we want -- even though we only control 54% of the Senate? Then nothing gets done. No wall. No nothing.

And for the following months, every day on the news, the MSM will picture starving children and blame the Republicans. Say goodbye to the White House and Congress.

THEN you can bitch and moan about how terrible the Democrat government is. THEN you'll be happy.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   15:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Vicomte13 (#56)

"And the result: the Democrats won everything and protected everything, and the Republicans lost everything - everything that Trump promised the people who swung over to him for him to win was sacrificed."

Wrong. Watch the video I put up at post #48.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-03   15:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: misterwhite (#57)

We could always stop Obama the way that the Democrats have stopped Trump cold: the courts. We have controlled the courts since 1969, and we still do.

Obama could control the government, but be struck down by the courts.

Your, and the Republican strategy, amounts to saying "We can do nothing at all and have to accede to all Democrat demands on every point of concern to our base -- borders, abortion, everything, until we have the White House, both Houses of Congress, with 60 votes in the Senate).

And even then we can be stopped on anything by a single Democrat judge in the 9th Circuit, and we will obey his rule.

In other words, we also have to control the entire judiciary. And then, once we have absolute power, we can make changes. Until then, we just have to cave on all of our fundamental beliefs, because the Democrats never concede anything on theirs.

Somehow, the Democrats have managed to transform the country even when they control only one branch of government, but Republicans can't get anything done with a Constitutional Convention Calling 35 State Legislatures.

Your approach is a perfect strategy for Republicans, because they are and always have been about supporting the interests of a narrow crony capitalist class. THOSE people get everything they want out of Republicans. The Republicans "compromise" on their promises on the big social issues that get them elected and turn out duped voters.

Trump really duped me. I thought he was going to fight. And he will, when the time comes, to repeal the Esttate Tax. You just watch him.

Anyway, you're content to follow these shitstains. I was deceived by Trump. I'd already given up on the GOP by the time of Romney. I truly thought Trump was different. He fought the media and the Democrats and his own rivals so hard in the primaries and in the election, I thought he was going to come in and fight for those very issues that differentiated him, that caused me and so many other Michiganders and Wisconsinites to vote for him and the Republicans.

This betrayal is the most awful of all, because I really believed him and I really trusted him. Now I realize that I was used, just as were the rest of us. He said he would fight. He didn't. He rolled over. The Republicans rolled over. The Democrats control nothing, but they just got everything.

The Republicans just funded Planned Parenthood. The Republicans just denied funding for the Wall. They control Congress. They own it. The President says it's a good deal. He owns it. He'll sign the bill once it passes.

It's a completel betrayal. It's George H W Bush raising taxes after he told us to read his lips. We never forgave him. We're not going to forgive Trump.

Republicans cannot rule. We gave them power to fight for an agenda, and we have Democrat rule anyway. I would rather have Democrats who truthfully say what they're going to do than to have Republicans who lie EVERY SINGLE TIME. They NEVER do what they promise.

If they don't find their courage NOW and stop this bill, if Trump signs it and doesn't veto it, I am gone forever. And with me, millions of others. Never, ever again.

I'm not interested in excuses. Deliver the results you promised and that we voted for, or politically die as a party in 2018.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-05-03   15:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: misterwhite (#36)

Trump ran on a platform of making abortion illegal?

No, he ran saying he is pro-life and defunding pp.

BobCeleste  posted on  2017-05-04   8:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: BobCeleste (#60)

"No, he ran saying he is pro-life and defunding pp."

Correct. What's makes you think that won't happen?

And what makes you think that the federal government defunding Planned Parenthood will prevent the "slaughter of between 35,000 and 70,000 little human babies trapped in the womb"? Two-thirds of their funding comes from other sources.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-05-04   9:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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