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Title: DHS Head to America: Shut Up, Be Terrified, and Do What You’re Told
Source: Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/blog/2017/04/18/ ... o-america-shut-up-be-terrified
Published: Apr 18, 2017
Author: Scott Shackford
Post Date: 2017-04-19 05:16:05 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 8632
Comments: 57

John Kelly

The fondling will continue until morale improves.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary John Kelly has heard all of that criticism from Americans who are upset at the way his employees treat them and other people, and he has a response for all of you ingrates: Shut up.

If you've ever dealt with surly Transportation Security Administration (TSA) staff who treat you as though you work for them and not the other way around, such behavior goes all the way to the top. In a wide-ranging speech designed to reinforce President Donald Trump's attitude that America is under siege, Kelly spoke told an audience at George Washington University and pretty much told them that without the aggressive approaches of the DHS we'd all be murdered by drug cartels and terrorist groups. So can it with the criticism.

The whole speech is watchable here at C-Span for the so-inclined. His speech was essentially a combination of every single post-9/11 security state speech combined with every single '80s and '90s drug warrior panic speech. The media responses are highlighting his defensiveness to criticism. Via The Hill:

Personnel are "often ridiculed and insulted by public officials, and frequently convicted in the court of public opinion on unfounded allegations testified to by street lawyers and spokespersons," Kelly said.

"If lawmakers do not like the laws they've passed and we are charged to enforce — then they should have the courage and skill to change the laws. Otherwise they should shut up and support the men and women on the front lines," Kelly said, to a burst of applause in the auditorium.

These comments came toward the end of his prepared speech, so it's useful to provide some context with the other things he talked about. He described the way Americans are treated by TSA when we travel as "a little bit of an inconvenience." He was not being sarcastic. He still believes that marijuana is a "gateway drug" and said so. He added that DHS will continue to force federal law on marijuana as long as it's against federal law, regardless of whatever the states may want. So keep that in mind if you're thinking of bringing some on a flight to anywhere. He also, incidentally, made a big deal that DHS employees swear an oath to defend the Constitution, which is notable inasmuch as there is no sign that the DHS has any respect for the Fourth Amendment whatsoever when it comes to searching Americans anywhere near the nation's borders.

Even further, a good chunk of his speech was full of fearmongering about drug cartels and recent increases in drug-related deaths to emphasize the rhetoric that our nation is under attack. He says at one point more people are dying from drugs than died during World War I, but his idea of dealing with increasing drug deaths is a "comprehensive plan to reduce drug demand." The problem is us, not them, you see. They have to figure out how to stop us from wanting to use drugs.

Kelly has a very typical cognitive dissonance issue we see a lot with law-and-order types. He insists that his people are enforcing the law, true enough. But his comments also make it very, very clear that he supports the drug war, though he does acknowledge at some point that America "can't arrest our way" out of the drug problem.

But who are the biggest opponents to changes in drug laws to maybe stop arresting people? Time and time again it's law enforcement lobbyists, whether we're talking about police, prosecutors, or prison representatives, who oppose any and all attempts to scale back their authorities to arrest and imprison people. The same folks who say "We're just enforcing the law" will fight tooth-and-nail any effort to crank back those laws. There's a tremendous amount of grant money and funding involved in "enforcing the law." They have strong incentives not to permit changes.

Similarly, Kelly therefore has every incentive to exaggerate the threats America faces, because his budgets depend on it, and President Trump is looking to spend, spend, spend on DHS and border security. In his speech he tries to suggest that DHS's budget has been cut to the bone. Though DHS's discretionary budget was cut during the sequester in 2008, DHS budgets and spending have been inching upward year after year (Check out this chart and read the text below to see which DHS agencies have been seeing the biggest boosts).

Kelly and his agents have every reason in the world to scare Americans into total compliance, every reason to insist that the drug war and terrorism is a constant threat, and every reason to suspect every traveler coming into the country could be a threat, and every reason to treat us as though we citizens are merely subjects of government authority. This also means that many of the domestic terror threats he mentions having prevented in his speech were frequently the result of undercover FBI stings that frequently are encouraging people to act out so that they can bust them, and it's not clear (and will never be clear) how many of these men would have actually done anything had undercover agents not been helping them along.

And the security theater driving the TSA's searches has long been exposed as ineffective, insulting, and incomprehensible. Their failures in catching actual threats compared to the inane overreactions they have to perfectly harmless objects are well known, and the result has been to actually dumb down procedures and make searches even more invasive rather than more effective.

Hey, Kelly, want to know why people hate you and your employees? Watch this video from ReasonTV. This is what you're telling Americans and lawmakers they should support:

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#17. To: Gatlin (#14)

There's a better way to screen incoming passengers and culling out the potential terrorists! Just do that! Screwing around needlessly with children and 80 year old travelers is just plain stupid. It makes authority look asininely ignorant.

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-19   8:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin (#14)

That happened on November 17, 2010 …

The current clips on the ineptitude of TSA goons are mysteriously taken down as soon as they're posted.

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-19   9:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: HomerBohn (#3)

I'm sick and tired of [TSA’s] 'procedures' when [TSA] should be profiling.
What?

You don’t know that the TSA started profiling in 2007 using a “behavior detection program?” It required special “behavior detecti11on officers” to freely roam among passengers in airports looking for behavioral clues form people that may ave an intent to harm others.

Between 2007 and 2015, the TSA never produced one iota piece of empirical evidence to support the program worked. That was despite TSA rapidly expanding it in the past few year and costing taxpayers a total of $1.5 billion between 2007 and 2015.

In 2014 the Government Accountability Office (GAO) recommended that future funding for the TSA’s behavior detection programs be stopped, citing after “400 studies from the past 60 years” that found “the human ability to accurately identify deceptive behavior based on behavioral indicators is the same as or slightly better than chance.”

Profiling is what Israelis do and it has worked for decades.
What may be good for the goose is also good for the gander….what may be good in Israel has proven not to be good in America.

Oh, what were you saying about profiling?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   9:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: HomerBohn (#18)

That happened on November 17, 2010 …

The current clips on the ineptitude of TSA goons are mysteriously taken down as soon as they're posted.

That’s okay.

So, how many times has this happen since 9-11.

You don’t know. That’s okay, neither do I.

I’ll give you one better….how many times do you remember this happening during the last year?

Very isolated incidents….will you agree?

I believe that when an incident does happen, the TSA employee should be retrained so that it will not happen again…or if it is gross, then the TSA employee should be fired immediately.

But how you can condemn the entire TSA program on the ignorant misdeeds of just a very few of their employees….that, I fail to understand.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   9:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: HomerBohn (#17)

Screwing around needlessly with children and 80 year old travelers is just plain stupid.
You don’t believe that children can be suicide-bombers?

Wait, I just proved to you they can.

You don’t believe that 80-year-olds can also be suicide-bombers?

Why not?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   9:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#16)

- want to know why people hate the TSA and its employees?

Nope!

I am not interested in your Reason libertarian propaganda.

The last Gallup Poll I saw revealed that the majority of Americans approve of the TSA and the work they are doing.

I’ll go with the majority of Americans in this case …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   9:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: HomerBohn (#12)

I mean no disrespect, sir, but do you work for the TSA?

Nope!

No disrespect taken ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   9:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin (#21)

Why not indeed? Because I'm firmly in that age group. (Ha)

I, as you may have gathered, am fully in accord with profiling and not mass herding.

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-19   9:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#22)

I’ll go with the majority of Americans in this case

That thin majority of those Americans are probably in that group that voted for Comrade Hillary.

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-19   9:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin, HomerBohn (#21)

You don’t believe that children can be suicide-bombers?

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You don’t believe that 80-year-olds can also be suicide-bombers?

Alternate text if image doesn't load

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   9:54:27 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HomerBohn (#24)

Why not indeed? Because I'm firmly in that age group. (Ha)
Ha ha….so am I.
I, as you may have gathered, am fully in accord with profiling and not mass herding.
I am also fully in accord with profiling, to Hell with the ACLU.

But I have demonstrated to you that profiling has been tried by TSA in our airports since 2007 to the tune of $1.7 billion [I believe it was]….and over 400 studies has shown it not to work in our airports.

Again, profiling in general under different situations….go for it.

But as a substitute to what TSA is doing now….no way, forget it.

BTW….addressing a previous point:

A mother was recently was described as ‘Livid’ as she watched a TSA Agent carefully do a complete pat down of her10-year-old child.

Somewhere in Nigeria, there is a mother who today no doubt wishes someone had done a complete pat down of her 10-year-old girl who died as a suicide-bomber.

You can continue to believe the pat down is unnecessary, as you wish.

I however say to fire the “goons,” as you call them, who abuse their duty….but keep the pat down in place using the current procedures.

TSA receives lots of condemnations, but the TSA must be doing things right because there have been no aircraft terrorist incidents in America since 9-11.

Thank you ,TSA, for the job you do….and God Bless America.

I will leave you with that …

Good ay to you, Sir.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   10:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Deckard (#26)

Body Cavity Search
Quite with the photo editorializing already.
That is no body cavity search in that picture.
The kid has his pants on and up, while the
TSA Agent has his hands outside the kid’s pants.

You ar beginning to lie as much as Hondope.
Stop It!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   10:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin (#28)

Sod off sheep-boy.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   10:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#26) (Edited)

Had you rather see this …

… or this …

I will go with the former.

You can your libertarian bleeding heart and shove it …

Be Safe….Not Sorry!

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   10:49:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#29)

Sod off sheep-boy.

Nope.

I will be here kicking you ass and trying to
pound some sense in you head all day.

Get used to it …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   10:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: HomerBohn (#25)

I’ll go with the majority of Americans in this case

That thin majority of those Americans are probably in that group that voted for Comrade Hillary.

What?

That does not make sense ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   10:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#31)

I will be here kicking you ass

Seek help for your senile delusions gramps.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   10:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#33)

I will be here kicking you ass

Seek help for your senile delusions gramps.

Nothing senile here....read the posts for evidence of your ass kicking.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   11:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#26)

The TSA admitted wrongdoing in two isolated incidents involving strip-searches of two elderly women by overzealous screeners who violated policy.

The TSA apologized for those incidents and took corrective action.

After TSA screening an average 1.73 million passengers per year in over 15 years and two screeners make mistakes and violate policy….you are trying to make this a “crisis situation.”

Bullshit on that.

Stop taking isolated incidents and try to blow them into gross condemnations where lighting strikes from the clear skiy are to be expected momentarily.

Get a friggin’ real life….can you?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   11:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#30)

But Gatlin, that little sh-t is a fooking Muslim and he's in Iraq.

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-19   11:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Gatlin (#27)

One last comment on this subject and then I'll mix my noon time martini:

The Israelis know how it should be done as their intelligence service works very well, unlike our corrupted CIA. They spot potential troublemakers very quickly and know who they're looking for before the culprit gets to the airport.

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-19   11:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin, whose love for Obama, will never die (#14)

happened on November 17, 2010 …

… an incident that happened over 6 years ago.

Yet your love for Obama hasn't diminished one bit, you continue to vigoriously defend him. You'll worship any authority figure no matter how evil. So your opinion is worthless - you're a government worshiping a$$kisser, and that's all there is to it.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2017-04-19   11:55:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#32)

Au contraire, mon ami.

(A little French lingo there to demonstrate my fondness for little froggies.)

I'm intimating there that most of those who like the herding done by the TSA cowboys probably voted for Hillary.

Gatlin, you appear to be a thoughtful and intelligent man; however, one can't help but notice that you usually side with the central government on various issues. I, on the other hand, believe the central socialist government has spun out of control over the past 100 years and needs to be seriously reigned in.

The TSA and the Homeland (in)Security agencies are a knee-jerk reaction to the Islamic suicide episode of 9/11. How poorly that was handled when instead of going after Saudi Arabia and carpet bombing their oil fields Bush decides to go after Saddam who protected Jews and Christians and bombed Tehran on a regular basis.

There are at least 1 million federal loafers that need to be permanently furloughed and the agencies they work for shut down forever. That means to yank out the communication lines, sell off the furniture and fixtures and sell the buildings, or otherwise get out of costly leases.

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-19   12:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: HomerBohn (#36)

But Gatlin, that little sh-t is a fooking Muslim and he's in Iraq.
But Homer, does that mean there will never be a fooking Muslim little shit in American doing the same thing….and it only happens in Iraq?

Are we really ready to say that it only happens in Iraq and will never happen here….are we?

I believe it was old Murphy [not George Murphy, of course you remember him at your age] who created the old epigram that is typically stated as: “Anything that can go wrong, will.”

I don’t see why that cannot be paraphrased to read: “Anything that happened in Iraq, can happen here.”

Would that be a fair and proper paraphrasing …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   15:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: HomerBohn (#37)

One last comment on this subject and then I'll mix my noon time martini:

The Israelis know how it should be done as their intelligence service works very well, unlike our corrupted CIA. They spot potential troublemakers very quickly and know who they're looking for before the culprit gets to the airport.

I realize what your intent is and I can appreciate it….but just because what the Israelis do effectively and efficiently in Israel in no way means their same procedures will work here.

Now, you can take portions of what the Israeli Shin Bet does and use it as a learning platform to incorporate into it those things unique to America. That will work of course….I would be totally surprised if it had not already been done, a long, long time ago.

Late….but I hope you enjoyed your martini.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   15:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: HomerBohn (#39)

Lots to respond to here. I will take it one section at a time in subsequent posts.

Au contraire, mon ami.

(A little French lingo there to demonstrate my fondness for little froggies.)

I can appreciate that. I spent the Spring, Summer and Fall in France during 1955.

My wife and I bought a 1955 red Austin Healey 100 in Paris and enjoyed the heck out touring.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   15:51:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: HomerBohn (#39)

I'm intimating there that most of those who like the herding done by the TSA cowboys probably voted for Hillary.
That’s true, and I agree in principle. I have relatives who are “civil servants” and they all are “communists.” [Not real commnists….that is what my wife and I refer to them as. They know it and laugh with us when we use the term].

It seem that all “civils servants” I know like the Democratic Party because they feel the Democrats look out for their welfare….the poor misguided souls that they are. Kinda like the Blacks feeling the same way.

So, I fully realize what you are saying …

Oops, I can see the next will require a very long response….”I shall return.”

Sidebar: When I walked into the Clark AFB Officers Club as I was heading to SE Asia and had to go through jungle survival training there....I could not help think that MacArthur had walked through those same doors to dine and drink many years before me. I am somewhat of a history buff….and my wind would wander to imagine how it was there for him during his time. Enough of this …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   16:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: HomerBohn (#39) (Edited)

Gatlin, you appear to be a thoughtful and intelligent man; however, one can't help but notice that you usually side with the central government on various issues.
Yes, I do side with the central government, only at times. And because I do at times….some assume, and want to make it appear, that I do so at all times. Which is not true. Therefore, they misunderstand me or want to make it appear that I am a supporter and strong believer in a large central federal government, only because I disagree with them on many points.

I have been accused of siding with the central federal government often, by Deckard and Hondo. I can understand why they perceive that. They openly and continually spew anti-government hatred for no explainable reason, other than it stems from some fake news or yellow journalism article that goes along with what they “want” to believe. I find it hard to tolerate anyone who does not consider things objectively….and always deals with everything from their preformed opinions stemming from a closed mind.

For example, someone may say “the TSA is bad” and give no legitimate reason other than something they just read in a fake news or yellow journalism article that has not been substantiated as the truth. Then, I will say that the “TSA is not bad.” But if what the person did in the article is true, then that is bad and that person needs to be retrained, or fired in it was severe enough.

When I do that, no one will usually ask me explain what I mean, or accept the explanation I give…I am immediately branded a book-licking government Troll.

You have heard for the last almost two years the political phrase or slogan: “Make America Great Again.” When I first heard that used by Trump, I recalled another Politician two generations ago saying and pledging to “Stand up for America.” I am of that old school where “Stand up for America” and “States Rights” went hand in hand by the same politician. I, however, was against all aspects of his segregation idea.

I have never changed on that issue, but I refuse to let someone who thinks their political philosophy is better than mine, tell me I am wrong and that I must change to accept theirs….and if I don’t, I am a boot-looking supporter of all government policies.

You may have gotten the opinion that I am for a strong central government because I disagreed with you today. As I said, that has happened before.

But what I saw from you, and I may have been mistaken but it was what I saw, is that you were saying the TSA is bad. And I was saying no, the TSA is not bad….but some things about the TSA and some things the TSA does is bad and those things need to be changed. I feel the TSA is doing a job that needs to be done, but they must constantly improve on their efforts while retraining weak employees and replacing totally ineffective employees….which of course there are some.

I could go on and write a book….but I think, or rather I hope, I have given you a proper perspective on my outlook. If I have not, I am open to any non-personal questions you many have.

I do enjoy your posts. You are one of the level headed people I find here on LF who does not seem to have a biased agenda he is trying to push.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   16:50:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: HomerBohn (#39)

The TSA and the Homeland (in)Security agencies are a knee-jerk reaction to the Islamic suicide episode of 9/11. How poorly that was handled …
They are a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11….I can buy that.

It was handled at the time….how, I must ask?

Are you saying neither the TSAS or Homeland Security should have ever been formed at all, or formed differently? If formed differently, then how do you suggest they should have been formed?

I, on the other hand, say we had nothing to prevent more hijackers from taking over other airplanes with box cutters a week, a month, or sometime later….and we definitely needed something fast. Fast meaning a knee-jerk reaction? Yea….okay.

I think that we did need something fast. It has been said that Osama bin Laden (OBL) planned the September 11 attacks after being “inspired” by a chance discussion about a plane crash in the US. I can tell you that if I had been OBL, I would have had another 19 dedicated men in place in America also affiliated with al-Qaeda to repeat the attacks a month or so later. We will never know that OBL did not and that the formation of the TSA and Homeland Security prevented that. Nope, we will never know….will we?

Naturally, since the TSA and Homeland Security were so new and so extremely large, all kinds of mistakes were made at first and growing pains kept them improving over time. But still not perfect, even today.

So, what I am seeing here is that you are saying we don’t need either the TSA or Homeland Security and I am saying we need something to do a job, or similar job, to what they are doing. Have I stated that correctly? I do think that both the TSA and Homeland Security are to too large and too inefficient….they need to be trimmed down to lean-mean and efficient counterterrorism fighting machines.

Now, again, it appears that you are totally against these government agencies and I am for some type of lean efficient government agency to do that job. So, if this makes me “side with the central government”….then I plead guilty in this case.

How poorly that was handled when instead of going after Saudi Arabia and carpet bombing their oil fields …
Wow!

Forget forming the TSA and Homeland Security, just go carpet bomb all the Saudi Arabia oil fields….and that would have wiped out OBL and stopped all fanatical Muslims from conducting terrorist arracks world wide? I am missing something here… what?

Bush decides to go after Saddam who protected Jews and Christians and bombed Tehran on a regular basis.
That you will need to explain to me so I can understand to respond….sorry about that.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   17:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: HomerBohn (#39)

There are at least 1 million federal loafers that need to be permanently furloughed and the agencies they work for shut down forever. That means to yank out the communication lines, sell off the furniture and fixtures and sell the buildings, or otherwise get out of costly leases
absolutely! I am in total agreement with this.

I had a civil servant admit to me that in his office of 5 people, they could get rid of 3 and never miss them or be overloaded with work.

This is but one of the reasons I voted for Donald Trump. “Cleaning the Swamp” means to me, also downsizing the federal government to more manageable and efficient organizations….even eliminating many.

See. I told you that I don’t always size with the central government….you will find as we go along, there are many more issues you and I will agree on. Sometimes we will take a varying road and have a different scope.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   17:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: hondo68 (#38)

George Carlin just nailed it with that quote.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-04-19   18:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Gatlin (#43)

I have relatives who are “civil servants” and they all are “communists.” [Not real commnists….that is what my wife and I refer to them as. They know it and laugh with us when we use the term].

What's the difference between "communists" and "real communists"? To me not only are they both the same but I have lived with real communists and they are not nice at all. I'm referring to those from Beijing, China and North Korean Vietnamese. To be a card-carrying member of a communists party is not something to boast about. Their ideals are not compatible with our American way of government.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-04-19   18:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: goldilucky (#48)

I have relatives who are “civil servants” and they all are “communists.” [Not real commnists….that is what my wife and I refer to them as. They know it and laugh with us when we use the term].

You didn’t understand what I was saying and what I meant.

I said that some of my relatives are democrats. Instead of calling democrats, I call the communists.

it probably has to go by as a private joke.

Sorry for the confusion.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   18:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Gatlin (#28)

Quite with the photo editorializing already. That is no body cavity search in that picture.

The TSA goon had not yet gotten to that point.

As you can plainly see, he finds the white child suspicious thus warranting a body cavity search.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   18:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Gatlin (#49)

My apologies for the misunderstanding. It's just that I don't view communists as nice people but instead cold-blooded and lawless. They have no respect for human life at all. Just look at how they treat their own people; they actually despise those who respect them. The only respect they have are for those who stand up to them face to face and eyeball to eyeball. At the same time they like to flaunt their lawless behavior at others, they are sizing you up to see what you'll do about it.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-04-19   19:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Deckard (#50)

Quite with the photo editorializing already. That is no body cavity search in that picture.

The TSA goon had not yet gotten to that point.

As you can plainly see, he finds the white child suspicious thus warranting a body cavity search.

Link to the story, please.

I would rather read it than to hear it from you.

I am sure you can understand why ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   19:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: HomerBohn, Gatlin, hondo68 (#39)

Gatlin, you appear to be a thoughtful and intelligent man; however, one can't help but notice that you usually side with the central government on various issues.

Gatlin has a simplistic belief system about gooberment:

“The central government is always right. Those who say it’s fundamentally wrong are dangerous and/or mentally ill.”

As far as him being "thoughtful and intelligent", I have seen very little evidence of that.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   20:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Gatlin (#45)

The era of fake news was well on its way before and after 9/11.

I believe there is no debate that the Iraq War was sold to the American public with a collection of CIA and MI5 claims that ended up being proved false. Iraq was said to have weapons of mass destruction, but this wasn't the case. Advocates for the war insinuated that Saddam Hussein was colluding with Al Qaeda and was somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks. That, too, was false. Yet many Americans (and some of their leaders) still believe this stuff. It's a tragedy, but it's also a kind of natural experiment in misinformation.

Those insane terrorists were Saudis and their trip to America was from the Riyadh airport. Saudi Arabia has been financing terrorism against their once main oil client since the origination of Islamic terrorism.

Saddam funded Christian Churches worth millions of Dollars for Assyrians all over the world. His policy was tolerant as he was mostly Agnostic and not a practicing Muslim at all.

He had a tendency to support those who supported him.

Since Christians and Jews were a minority long persecuted in Iraq by Musllims, Kurds, and Turks they found security with Saddam and never opposed him, so much so, that he permitted Aramaic to be used freely but didn't allow Kurdish to be used. The Jews and Christians were well educated and contributed to the Hussein government. The chief of Iraq's air force was a Jew.

Had he not been removed by the oil hungry America , Iraq would have been a safe place for everyone, and not just the Christians and the Jews.

"For all who love freedom and peace, the world without Saddam Hussein's regime is a better and safer place." - George W. Bush

Really?

Liberals are a lot like Slinkys, they're good for nothing but they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

HomerBohn  posted on  2017-04-20   8:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: HomerBohn (#54)

I find nothing to disagree with and neither do I have anything to add.

Your assessment of the Saudis and Saddam fits appropriately well.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   8:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Gatlin (#22)

The majority is always right?

Sixty percent of adults support legalizing marijuana, according to a Gallup poll last fall, and two-thirds of respondents in a Yahoo/Marist poll released this week said marijuana is safer than opioids.

Oh - what about this?

The vast majority of Americans believe the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, one of the most infamous events in American history, was a conspiracy. A Gallup poll from March of this year shows that over 8 in 10 Americans (81%) believe that other people were involved in a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy. Only 13% of the public believes that just one man (Lee Harvey Oswald) acted alone. These recent results match the high point of those believing in a conspiracy, a percentage that has increased since the 1960s.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-20   9:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Deckard (#56)

The majority is always right?

Not necessarily!

The majority sure as Hell was not right when they elected Obama.

You agree?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   12:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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