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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Former head of Republican National Committee says party can soften its tone on immigration Source: 5 News URL Source: http://www.kfsm.com/sns-ap-ar--gillespie-arkansas,0,3252736.story Published: Dec 8, 2009 Author: ANDREW DeMILLO Post Date: 2009-12-08 22:08:19 by Moderate Mammal Keywords: None Views: 810 Comments: 43 LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — The former chairman of the Republican National Committee says that new immigration reform efforts will give his a party a chance to soften its tone on the issue. Ed Gillespie said Tuesday the GOP should present itself as anti-illegal immigration but not anti-immigrant in the debate. Gillespie said he thinks some of the party's harshest voices were the loudest the last time Congress debated immigration reform. Gillespie, who also served as counselor to former President George W. Bush, said Republicans need to do a better job of reaching out to minorities. Gillespie spoke at the University of Arkansas Clinton School of Public Service. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Moderate Mammal (#0) Former. Dr Paul is current in his position of being against the fence and all efforts to round the illegals ups. Paul says to stop illegals, we must stop states from giving aid. While at the same time saying he is for States Rights. WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-08   22:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: WhiteSands (#1) Former. Dr Paul is current in his position of being against the fence and all efforts to round the illegals ups. Paul says to stop illegals, we must stop states from giving aid. While at the same time saying he is for States Rights. You're an idiot. The Immigration Question by Ron Paul Save a link to this article and return to it at www.savethis.comSave a link to this article and return to it at www.savethis.com Email a link to this articleEmail a link to this article Printer-friendly version of this articlePrinter-friendly version of this article View a list of the most popular articles on our siteView a list of the most popular articles on our site The recent immigration protests in Los Angeles have brought the issue to the forefront, provoking strong reactions from millions of Americans. The protesters’ cause of open borders is not well served when they drape themselves in Mexican flags and chant slogans in Spanish. If anything, their protests underscore the Balkanization of America caused by widespread illegal immigration. How much longer can we maintain huge unassimilated subgroups within America, filled with millions of people who don’t speak English or participate fully in American life? Americans finally have decided the status quo is unacceptable, and immigration may be the issue that decides the 2008 presidential election. We’re often reminded that America is a nation of immigrants, implying that we’re coldhearted to restrict immigration in any way. But the new Americans reaching our shores in the late 1800s and early 1900s were legal immigrants. In many cases they had no chance of returning home again. They maintained their various ethnic and cultural identities, but they also learned English and embraced their new nationality. Today, the overwhelming majority of Americans – including immigrants – want immigration reduced, not expanded. The economic, cultural, and political situation was very different 100 years ago. We’re often told that immigrants do the jobs Americans won’t do, and sometimes this is true. But in many instances illegal immigrants simply increase the supply of labor in a community, which lowers wages. And while cheap labor certainly benefits the economy as a whole, when calculating the true cost of illegal immigration we must include the cost of social services that many new immigrants consume – especially medical care. We must reject amnesty for illegal immigrants in any form. We cannot continue to reward lawbreakers and expect things to get better. If we reward millions who came here illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty. Amnesty also insults legal immigrants, who face years of paperwork and long waits to earn precious American citizenship. Birthright citizenship similarly rewards lawbreaking, and must be stopped. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the perverse incentive to sneak into this country remains strong. Citizenship involves more than the mere location of one’s birth. True citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States. Americans are happy to welcome those who wish to come here and build a better life for themselves, but we rightfully expect immigrants to show loyalty and attempt to assimilate themselves culturally. Birthright citizenship sometimes confers the benefits of being American on people who do not truly embrace America. We need to allocate far more resources, both in terms of money and manpower, to securing our borders and coastlines here at home. This is the most critical task before us, both in terms of immigration problems and the threat of foreign terrorists. Unless and until we secure our borders, illegal immigration and the problems associated with it will only increase. April 4, 2006 Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-08   22:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: WhiteSands (#1) Paul says to stop illegals, we must stop states from giving aid. While at the same time saying he is for States Rights Completely congruent. Don't give the states money (was never intended for anything anyway), but allow the states to determine how best they will handle the illegal immigrants in their states. However, as he noted, and is happening at least locally, as the jobs are drying up in construction and other such jobs, I really have seen fewer immigrants over the past 6 months. Many of them are apparently going home nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   22:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: nighttrain2008 (#3) Completely congruent. Don't give the states money (was never intended for anything anyway), but allow the states to determine how best they will handle the illegal immigrants in their states. Stopping an invasion is one of the few Constitutionally granted powers the feds have. If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-08   22:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Moderate Mammal (#4) If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place Agree on the welfare issue. Reason for stopping the funding to the states. However, when the economy is very good (full employment hovering around 4% or less) there will be jobs that need to be filled that others simply won't take because the opportunity cost for them to take a position may be too high (lower paying construction job to keep up with demand if there is a higher paying job available as well because of the good state of the economy) nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   22:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: nighttrain2008 (#3) I really have seen fewer immigrants over the past 6 months. Many of them are apparently going home I notice less at the Home Depot too FWIW.....that's about the only silver lining to the current situation.......too bad the flies will return later. Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. e_type_jag  posted on  2009-12-08   22:43:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: nighttrain2008 (#5) (full employment hovering around 4% or less) there will be jobs that need to be filled that others simply won't take That's bullshit. Many Americans lost their jobs and business to the illegal invasion. Either pay the right salary to hire Americans or find another business. We got along just fine before the invasion. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-08   22:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Moderate Mammal (#7) Either pay the right salary to hire Americans or find another business. Ah I see. Screw what the market will bear, pay what 'Muricans think they deserve....and people wonder why manufacturers are moving off shore. We got along just fine before the invasion Now just which 'invasion' would that be? The Italian invasion of the early 20th? Or perhaps the Irish invasion of the 19th century? Granted by allowing multi-lingual programming, it is taking longer than in the past for assimilation of all immigrants into the American culture but this nation has faced 'invasions' by large groups of immigrants in the past. Course they were legal but some of the same issues occurred. Either pay the right salary to hire Americans or find another business I'm not for illegal immigration in any fashion. But quite simply if a manufacturer of a house determines to make a profit that he is comfortable with he must pay $x/hour and no one wants that job, what is he supposed to do? Take one 'for the team', make less profit (meaning less investable dollars for future projects), and pay $x+y/hour? Push up the price of the house to offset this increase thereby pushing the price of real estate up again and price homes out of the reach of the average person? That's great, we'll have a whole new glut of real estate on the market. But boy howdy the workers will be getting the 'right salary'...well that is until the construction company goes out of business because they're losing money... nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   23:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: nighttrain2008 (#3) The illegals are not going home I see their increase throughout the winter months in WI when there is NO seasonal agricultural work... There numbers are INCREASING not decreasing Joe Snuffy  posted on  2009-12-08   23:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: nighttrain2008 (#8) (Edited) Multinational Companies went off shore when we enacted Free trade agreements like NAFTA, WTO, GATT, and agreements with China. Obama is just about to sign another agreement with South Korea, moving what manufacturing we have left offshore.If it were up to you, workers would have no rights, we would have child labor, no wage laws and hour laws. The fact is GM profits were at record highs in the 1960s when we had high tariffs and the majority of American workers were unionized. Italians and Irish were White Europeans. They wanted to learn English, embrace our political cultural and contribute to the system. These immigrants make us embrace their language, culture, and learn about their history. Not to mention many fo them think the American southwest belongs to a nation of Atlan and that we stole California and Texas from Mexico. Not to mention they are mostly far left. They vote far left politically and drain the welfare systems. They also didn't come into a country that now faces double digit unemployment or even high double digit unemployment. They came to an open and less populated country where labor was needed to build up the conomy and grow the nation. Yes, the owner is supposed to follow the laws and hire Americans, not illegal foreigners. Tough luck if a couple dollars is taken off his salary. the fact is, if CEOs cared more about their country and workers instead of personal salary, real wages wouldn't have decreased since 1973, we wouldn't have a 400 billion dollar trade deficit, and 50 trillion dollars of public and private debt. Thor  posted on  2009-12-08   23:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: All (#10) Nation of Atzlan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIW-BZ8oLrk Thor  posted on  2009-12-09   0:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: nighttrain2008 (#8) Either pay the right salary to hire Americans or find another business. Ah I see. Screw what the market will bear, pay what 'Muricans think they deserve....and people wonder why manufacturers are moving off shore. Yes, pay what the market will bear by Hiring Americans. Americans should not have to finance your 'cheap labor' of billions in welfare, 10's of thousands of dead Americans because of illegals nor the death of the Republic. Who the hell do you think you are? You want third world and cheap slave kiddie labor move to Mexico or China. I'm not here to serve you Princess. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   0:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: nighttrain2008, *Border Invasion* (#5) However, when the economy is very good (full employment hovering around 4% or less) there will be jobs that need to be filled that others simply won't take because the opportunity cost for them to take a position may be too high If the work isn't worth paying a living wage for, it's probably not worth doing, so why worry about it? If the construction is really needed, the necessary wage will be paid. If anyone wants to be a co-owner of the Border Invasion ping list, just send me a LF PM. Co-owners can ping the list to threads. Hondo68  posted on  2009-12-09   0:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: nighttrain2008 (#8) Your ideals will insure that the U.S. standard of living will fall in line with that of third world countries. You are a true one-worlder. tag ... you're it. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   1:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Joe Snuffy (#9) The illegals are not going home I see their increase throughout the winter months in WI when there is NO seasonal agricultural work... There numbers are INCREASING not decreasing They have pretty much disappeared where I live. I used to see 3 or 4 in every store I would visit,with only one of them that could speak any English at all,and he would act as a interpreter. There was even a Spanish language radio station and local newspaper being printed. The paper and radio station are both gone. I don't even see the fat white girls in the Food Lion with their illegal husbands anymore. I guess they went back to central America with their new husbands. The few I do see sticking around are most likely legals because they are families with the parents working regular jobs and everybody speaking English,and there are very few of them. sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-09   2:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: nighttrain2008 (#8) But quite simply if a manufacturer of a house determines to make a profit that he is comfortable with So you're saying the profit he makes should be based on what he thinks he should get, not on what the market will bear? tag ... you're it. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   2:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: hondo68 (#13) If the work isn't worth paying a living wage for, it's probably not worth doing, Everyone should grow, harvest and can their own fruits and vegetables, wash their own cars, shovel their own sidewalks, clean their own hotel rooms, etc., etc., etc. Get the picture, honda? What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   2:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Moderate Mammal, nighttrain2008 (#4) If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place. Why don't you democrats throw the illegal's asses out of the country. Isn't that why we voted for Obama? What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   2:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Ibluafartsky (#17) Everyone should grow, harvest and can their own fruits and vegetables, wash their own cars, shovel their own sidewalks, clean their own hotel rooms, etc., etc., etc. yeah. And build their own cars, snowplow their own freeways and highways, build their own freeways and highways and roads, make their own microwave ovens, tv sets, stereos, brew their own beer, make their own wine, make all their own clothes, kill and butcher all the meat they eat, create and run their own TV stations, make their own computers, cell phones and PDA's, make their own tires for their cars, as well as build and run their own grocery stores, hardware stores, and make everything that is on the shelves in them. And if they don't, illegal aliens should be hired to do it. tag ... you're it. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   2:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Wood_Chopper (#19) build their own cars,snowplow their own freeways and highways, build their own freeways and highways and roads, make their own microwave ovens Yeah, any 16 year old is capable of doing those things, correct? SHEESH! What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   2:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Ibluafartsky (#18) If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place. Why don't you democrats throw the illegal's asses out of the country. Isn't that why we voted for Obama? You Democrats? Put the crack pipe down before you post. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   4:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Wood_Chopper (#19) yeah. And build their own cars, snowplow their own freeways and highways, build their own freeways and highways and roads, make their own microwave ovens, tv sets, stereos, brew their own beer, make their own wine, make all their own clothes, kill and butcher all the meat they eat, create and run their own TV stations, make their own computers, cell phones and PDA's, make their own tires for their cars, as well as build and run their own grocery stores, hardware stores, and make everything that is on the shelves in them. And if they don't, illegal aliens should be hired to do it. Yeah, before the illegal invasion there were no TVs, roads, food, computers or cars. And heads of lettuce before Boosh took office were $50. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   4:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Ibluafartsky (#20) Yeah, any 16 year old is capable of doing those things, correct? SHEESH! Yeah, capable of destroying the Republic, closing hospitals, murder and rape of thousands of Americans, trillions in costs including welfare, prisons, health care, schools... What a fucking deal these illegals are. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   4:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Moderate Mammal (#21) You Democrats? You can run, but you can't hide, liberal scum! What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   5:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Moderate Mammal (#23) Yeah, capable of destroying the Republic, closing hospitals, murder and rape of thousands of Americans, trillions in costs including welfare, prisons, health care, schools... Try to keep up, dumbass. What the hell kind of jobs did you hold when you were 16 years old? Assemblyline worker for GM? Highway Dept. snowplow driver? Construction worker? Or maybe you were an MD or a NYSE stockbroker? What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   5:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: nighttrain2008 (#8) But quite simply if a manufacturer of a house determines to make a profit that he is comfortable with Why is it he thinks he can privatize his profit but socialize the costs? That's exactly what they're doing. They not only won't hire citizens, but force us to subsidize those earning unlivable wages. Why should he be allowed to do that? Why should he be allowed to hire under-the-table workers who pay NO taxes? Where I live, the above is rampant. They qualify for housing assistance, foodstamps, education for their kids. They can even get no money down loans, credit cards, utility assistance etc. WHY do I have to pay for their profit? borntoweardiamonds  posted on  2009-12-09   5:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Ibluafartsky (#25) Try to keep up, dumbass. What the hell kind of jobs did you hold when you were 16 years old? Assemblyline worker for GM? Highway Dept. snowplow driver? Construction worker? Or maybe you were an MD or a NYSE stockbroker? You pay for all the costs of the illegals if you want them. Free market. And you can go to jail when one of your 'hard workers' murders another American. Mow your own lawn you cheap bastard. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   7:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Ibluafartsky (#24) You can run, but you can't hide, liberal scum! "liberal scum" support illegals and amnesty. Obushma posting to the internets again. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   7:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Moderate Mammal (#27) Mow your own lawn you cheap bastard. I do dumbass. I also mowed lawns and shovelled sidewalks when I was sixteen. What did you do, suck your thumb? What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   7:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Ibluafartsky (#29) I do dumbass. I also mowed lawns and shovelled sidewalks when I was sixteen. Too bad kids cannot do the same today. Your precious illegals come first before Americans. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   7:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Moderate Mammal (#30) Too bad kids cannot do the same today. They could, but most are too lazy, just like you, dumbass. What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   7:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Ibluafartsky (#31) They could, but most are too lazy, just like you, dumbass. I you are unable to formulate a cogent argument or are "lazy". I don't need or hire illegals to get through life. Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   7:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Moderate Mammal (#32) I you are unable to formulate a cogent argument or are "lazy". Are you drunk, stupid or both? What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   7:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Moderate Mammal (#2) Wasn't it Ron Paul that declared a border fence to be "an embarrassment?" He is also a Free Traitor...loves China. borntoweardiamonds  posted on  2009-12-09   16:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: borntoweardiamonds (#34) Wasn't it Ron Paul that declared a border fence to be "an embarrassment?" Yes, an embarrassment that American cannot control its own border but is fighting "terrorists" "over there". Let me guess, you have a 12 foot high fence around your house to keep criminals out because the police and politicians support home invasions by giving them(invaders) welfare and declaring they do "the jobs Americans won't do". Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   16:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Moderate Mammal (#35) American cannot control its own border Liberals encourage illegal immigration and make certain the illegals become registered democrat voters. Are you a member of ACORN? What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   17:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Ibluafartsky (#20) Your "they only take jobs Americans won't do" argument has been proven false. tag ... you're it. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   19:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: Wood_Chopper (#37) Your "they only take jobs Americans won't do" argument has been proven false. That wasn't a point in any of my posts. Where were you educated, in Mexico? What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   19:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: borntoweardiamonds, nighttrain2008 (#26) (nt2008)But quite simply if a manufacturer of a house determines to make a profit that he is comfortable with (btwd)Why is it he thinks he can privatize his profit but socialize the costs? nighttrain2008's argument is not cogent at all. He first denigrates "'Muricans" for for going against free market principles by "demanding pay they think they deserve", then states a manufacturer of a house, not free market principles, should decide what his profit should be, thereby getting the money he thinks he deserves. tag ... you're it. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   19:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Ibluafartsky (#38) (WC) Your "they only take jobs Americans won't do" argument has been proven false. (I) That wasn't a point in any of my posts. Yeah, it was. tag ... you're it. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   19:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Wood_Chopper (#40) Yeah, it was. So you really are stupid. I should have known. What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   19:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (42 - 43) not displayed. 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