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Title: Former head of Republican National Committee says party can soften its tone on immigration
Source: 5 News
URL Source: http://www.kfsm.com/sns-ap-ar--gillespie-arkansas,0,3252736.story
Published: Dec 8, 2009
Author: ANDREW DeMILLO
Post Date: 2009-12-08 22:08:19 by Moderate Mammal
Keywords: None
Views: 833
Comments: 43

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — The former chairman of the Republican National Committee says that new immigration reform efforts will give his a party a chance to soften its tone on the issue.

Ed Gillespie said Tuesday the GOP should present itself as anti-illegal immigration but not anti-immigrant in the debate. Gillespie said he thinks some of the party's harshest voices were the loudest the last time Congress debated immigration reform.

Gillespie, who also served as counselor to former President George W. Bush, said Republicans need to do a better job of reaching out to minorities. Gillespie spoke at the University of Arkansas Clinton School of Public Service.

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#1. To: Moderate Mammal (#0)

Former.

Dr Paul is current in his position of being against the fence and all efforts to round the illegals ups.

Paul says to stop illegals, we must stop states from giving aid.

While at the same time saying he is for States Rights.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-08   22:12:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: WhiteSands (#1)

Paul says to stop illegals, we must stop states from giving aid.

While at the same time saying he is for States Rights

Completely congruent. Don't give the states money (was never intended for anything anyway), but allow the states to determine how best they will handle the illegal immigrants in their states.

However, as he noted, and is happening at least locally, as the jobs are drying up in construction and other such jobs, I really have seen fewer immigrants over the past 6 months. Many of them are apparently going home

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   22:19:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)

Completely congruent. Don't give the states money (was never intended for anything anyway), but allow the states to determine how best they will handle the illegal immigrants in their states.

Stopping an invasion is one of the few Constitutionally granted powers the feds have. If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-08   22:22:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Moderate Mammal (#4)

If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place

Agree on the welfare issue. Reason for stopping the funding to the states. However, when the economy is very good (full employment hovering around 4% or less) there will be jobs that need to be filled that others simply won't take because the opportunity cost for them to take a position may be too high (lower paying construction job to keep up with demand if there is a higher paying job available as well because of the good state of the economy)

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   22:38:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nighttrain2008 (#5)

(full employment hovering around 4% or less) there will be jobs that need to be filled that others simply won't take

That's bullshit. Many Americans lost their jobs and business to the illegal invasion.

Either pay the right salary to hire Americans or find another business. We got along just fine before the invasion.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-08   22:47:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Moderate Mammal (#7)

Either pay the right salary to hire Americans or find another business.

Ah I see. Screw what the market will bear, pay what 'Muricans think they deserve....and people wonder why manufacturers are moving off shore.

We got along just fine before the invasion

Now just which 'invasion' would that be? The Italian invasion of the early 20th? Or perhaps the Irish invasion of the 19th century? Granted by allowing multi-lingual programming, it is taking longer than in the past for assimilation of all immigrants into the American culture but this nation has faced 'invasions' by large groups of immigrants in the past. Course they were legal but some of the same issues occurred.

Either pay the right salary to hire Americans or find another business

I'm not for illegal immigration in any fashion. But quite simply if a manufacturer of a house determines to make a profit that he is comfortable with he must pay $x/hour and no one wants that job, what is he supposed to do? Take one 'for the team', make less profit (meaning less investable dollars for future projects), and pay $x+y/hour? Push up the price of the house to offset this increase thereby pushing the price of real estate up again and price homes out of the reach of the average person? That's great, we'll have a whole new glut of real estate on the market. But boy howdy the workers will be getting the 'right salary'...well that is until the construction company goes out of business because they're losing money...

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   23:45:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nighttrain2008 (#8)

But quite simply if a manufacturer of a house determines to make a profit that he is comfortable with

Why is it he thinks he can privatize his profit but socialize the costs? That's exactly what they're doing. They not only won't hire citizens, but force us to subsidize those earning unlivable wages. Why should he be allowed to do that? Why should he be allowed to hire under-the-table workers who pay NO taxes? Where I live, the above is rampant. They qualify for housing assistance, foodstamps, education for their kids. They can even get no money down loans, credit cards, utility assistance etc. WHY do I have to pay for their profit?

borntoweardiamonds  posted on  2009-12-09   5:53:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: borntoweardiamonds, nighttrain2008 (#26)

(nt2008)But quite simply if a manufacturer of a house determines to make a profit that he is comfortable with

(btwd)Why is it he thinks he can privatize his profit but socialize the costs?

nighttrain2008's argument is not cogent at all.

He first denigrates "'Muricans" for for going against free market principles by "demanding pay they think they deserve", then states a manufacturer of a house, not free market principles, should decide what his profit should be, thereby getting the money he thinks he deserves.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   19:14:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)

He first denigrates "'Muricans" for for going against free market principles by "demanding pay they think they deserve"

Exactly what free market principle is involved by demanding an employer pay you a certain wage? You can request a wage but the employer is not required to pay you that wage. Your opportunity in a free market is to go elsewhere for a job until you find the wage that meets your needs. The same with employers. They will drive down wages to meet their needs. If they find no one wants to work for the wage offered they will offer more.

That you believe you should be able to demand a wage from an employer is laughable. If I own a business I am going to offer what makes sense to me. If I find someone to work for that wage, for you to demand more simply based on your nationality or some other intrinsic concept, it's going to fail for you isn't it?

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-10 11:39:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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