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Title: Former head of Republican National Committee says party can soften its tone on immigration
Source: 5 News
URL Source: http://www.kfsm.com/sns-ap-ar--gillespie-arkansas,0,3252736.story
Published: Dec 8, 2009
Author: ANDREW DeMILLO
Post Date: 2009-12-08 22:08:19 by Moderate Mammal
Keywords: None
Views: 870
Comments: 43

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — The former chairman of the Republican National Committee says that new immigration reform efforts will give his a party a chance to soften its tone on the issue.

Ed Gillespie said Tuesday the GOP should present itself as anti-illegal immigration but not anti-immigrant in the debate. Gillespie said he thinks some of the party's harshest voices were the loudest the last time Congress debated immigration reform.

Gillespie, who also served as counselor to former President George W. Bush, said Republicans need to do a better job of reaching out to minorities. Gillespie spoke at the University of Arkansas Clinton School of Public Service.

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#1. To: Moderate Mammal (#0)

Former.

Dr Paul is current in his position of being against the fence and all efforts to round the illegals ups.

Paul says to stop illegals, we must stop states from giving aid.

While at the same time saying he is for States Rights.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-08   22:12:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: WhiteSands (#1)

Paul says to stop illegals, we must stop states from giving aid.

While at the same time saying he is for States Rights

Completely congruent. Don't give the states money (was never intended for anything anyway), but allow the states to determine how best they will handle the illegal immigrants in their states.

However, as he noted, and is happening at least locally, as the jobs are drying up in construction and other such jobs, I really have seen fewer immigrants over the past 6 months. Many of them are apparently going home

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   22:19:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)

Completely congruent. Don't give the states money (was never intended for anything anyway), but allow the states to determine how best they will handle the illegal immigrants in their states.

Stopping an invasion is one of the few Constitutionally granted powers the feds have. If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-08   22:22:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Moderate Mammal (#4)

If there was no welfare for the illegals and no jobs they would not be here in the first place

Agree on the welfare issue. Reason for stopping the funding to the states. However, when the economy is very good (full employment hovering around 4% or less) there will be jobs that need to be filled that others simply won't take because the opportunity cost for them to take a position may be too high (lower paying construction job to keep up with demand if there is a higher paying job available as well because of the good state of the economy)

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-08   22:38:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nighttrain2008, *Border Invasion* (#5)

However, when the economy is very good (full employment hovering around 4% or less) there will be jobs that need to be filled that others simply won't take because the opportunity cost for them to take a position may be too high

If the work isn't worth paying a living wage for, it's probably not worth doing, so why worry about it? If the construction is really needed, the necessary wage will be paid.

If anyone wants to be a co-owner of the Border Invasion ping list, just send me a LF PM. Co-owners can ping the list to threads.

Hondo68  posted on  2009-12-09   0:55:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: hondo68 (#13)

If the work isn't worth paying a living wage for, it's probably not worth doing,

Everyone should grow, harvest and can their own fruits and vegetables, wash their own cars, shovel their own sidewalks, clean their own hotel rooms, etc., etc., etc. Get the picture, honda?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   2:01:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ibluafartsky (#17)

Everyone should grow, harvest and can their own fruits and vegetables, wash their own cars, shovel their own sidewalks, clean their own hotel rooms, etc., etc., etc.

yeah.

And build their own cars, snowplow their own freeways and highways, build their own freeways and highways and roads, make their own microwave ovens, tv sets, stereos, brew their own beer, make their own wine, make all their own clothes, kill and butcher all the meat they eat, create and run their own TV stations, make their own computers, cell phones and PDA's, make their own tires for their cars, as well as build and run their own grocery stores, hardware stores, and make everything that is on the shelves in them.

And if they don't, illegal aliens should be hired to do it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-09   2:31:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Wood_Chopper (#19)

build their own cars,snowplow their own freeways and highways, build their own freeways and highways and roads, make their own microwave ovens

Yeah, any 16 year old is capable of doing those things, correct? SHEESH!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   2:34:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ibluafartsky (#20)

Yeah, any 16 year old is capable of doing those things, correct? SHEESH!

Yeah, capable of destroying the Republic, closing hospitals, murder and rape of thousands of Americans, trillions in costs including welfare, prisons, health care, schools...

What a fucking deal these illegals are.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   4:08:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Moderate Mammal (#23)

Yeah, capable of destroying the Republic, closing hospitals, murder and rape of thousands of Americans, trillions in costs including welfare, prisons, health care, schools...

Try to keep up, dumbass. What the hell kind of jobs did you hold when you were 16 years old? Assemblyline worker for GM? Highway Dept. snowplow driver? Construction worker? Or maybe you were an MD or a NYSE stockbroker?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   5:30:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ibluafartsky (#25)

Try to keep up, dumbass. What the hell kind of jobs did you hold when you were 16 years old? Assemblyline worker for GM? Highway Dept. snowplow driver? Construction worker? Or maybe you were an MD or a NYSE stockbroker?

You pay for all the costs of the illegals if you want them. Free market.

And you can go to jail when one of your 'hard workers' murders another American.

Mow your own lawn you cheap bastard.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   7:23:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Moderate Mammal (#27)

Mow your own lawn you cheap bastard.

I do dumbass. I also mowed lawns and shovelled sidewalks when I was sixteen. What did you do, suck your thumb?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   7:34:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ibluafartsky (#29)

I do dumbass. I also mowed lawns and shovelled sidewalks when I was sixteen.

Too bad kids cannot do the same today. Your precious illegals come first before Americans.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09   7:38:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Moderate Mammal (#30)

Too bad kids cannot do the same today.

They could, but most are too lazy, just like you, dumbass.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-09   7:45:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: Ibluafartsky (#31)

They could, but most are too lazy, just like you, dumbass.

I you are unable to formulate a cogent argument or are "lazy".

I don't need or hire illegals to get through life.

Moderate Mammal  posted on  2009-12-09 07:47:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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