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The bomb was dropped in Afghanistan's Nangarhar province, the Pentagon has confirmed. The blast radius is believed to be over 300 meters and the weapon is described as "the father of all bombs". It is the very first time the weapon has been used in combat. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 33. #1. To: cranky (#0) That's got to be about the most tabloidy website I've seen. It ranks up there with Infowars. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-13   13:04:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Tooconservative (#1) That's got to be about the most tabloidy website I've seen. You appear to be unduly impressed by aesthetics. cranky  posted on  2017-04-13   13:30:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: cranky, Gatlin, sneakypete (#3) How about accuracy? 'The blast radius is believed to be over 300 meters and the weapon is described as "the father of all bombs".' MOAB is stands for Mother Of All Bombs. The Russians have developed one that they claim is 4 times as powerful and that one is called the "Father Of All Bombs". These are thermobaric bombs, something that came up recently on another thread. Seriously, it's a bad article. It leaves readers less informed overall than if they hadn't read the article at all. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-13   14:05:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Tooconservative (#4) Trump is allowing the generals to do something Obama never did. That is, the commanders decide what to do and then go ahead and do it. "Assign responsibility and delegate authority!" “You da man,” Donald – “Git ‘er done” … Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-13   14:34:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Gatlin (#5) (Edited) Trump is allowing the generals to do something Obama never did. That is, the commanders decide what to do and then go ahead and do it. First use of a weapon we've kept in reserve in the arsenal since 2003? I think Trump did give the order to use it. That mushroom cloud image was a message too. For Iran, for NKorea. For Assad. And of course the Pentagon has many many plans for using our weapons against our enemies. That's their job, to be ready to attack anything and everything if they're ordered to. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-13   15:56:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Tooconservative (#8) Trump is allowing the generals to do something Obama never did. That is, the commanders decide what to do and then go ahead and do it. I think Trump did give the order to use it. Nope….not Trump, the GC in Afghanistan made the decision. I told you Trump was “assigning responsibility and delegating authority.” Here is but one of the many places that I have seen these types of remarks: Trump Has Freed U.S. Military From WH Micromanagement Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-14   18:09:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Gatlin (#11) Here is but one of the many places that I have seen these types of remarks: Yeah, I saw the commander on TV. Well, I guess it is legal if Trump just delegates all his command decisions to others. Apparently, that is what you prefer as well. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-14   18:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Tooconservative (#12) (Edited) Here is but one of the many places that I have seen these types of remarks: Yeah, I saw the commander Lieutenant Colonel on TV. Well, I guess it is legal if Trump just delegates all his command decisions to others. Apparently, that is what you prefer as well. “Prefer?” Nah….“taught” that as a matter of policy and procedure. Delegation of Authority – The action by which a commander assigns part of his or her authority commensurate with the assigned task [the part of “assigned responsibility” when used with “delegate authority”] to a subordinate commander. While ultimate responsibility cannot be relinquished, delegation of authority carries with it the imposition of a measure of responsibility. The extent of the authority delegated must be clearly stated. One restriction to the delegation of authority is only the President can direct the use of nuclear weapons by U.S. armed forces. The President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-14   19:29:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Gatlin (#13) (Edited) Delegation of Authority – So far, we have heard in several reports that this attack with the MOAB was planned for months by the general in charge and that the weapon had been moved there, apparently in January or February. It sounds like this was started in November or December, that it was in fact authorized originally by 0bama, much as the SEAL raid in Yemen had been authorized by 0bama but executed after Trump became prez. You seem to want to believe that Trump just let it continue until the commander struck. I think Trump probably gave the order and was briefed on the target like you would expect any president would be. Given the fuss over the 21,000lb MOAB, it seems people have forgotten our repeated use of 15,000lb daisycutters on...the very same complex of tunnels and caves at Tora Bora. CBS, 2001: US bombs al Qaeda cave with "daisy cutter" You have to wonder if there was something specific the general was after. Back then, we were chasing alleged sitings of Osama bin Laden who was very familiar with the region. We haven't hit those caves/tunnels like this in a long time. The way the media is going MOAB-crazy, you'd think they never heard of these big terror-bombs before. I was surprised they claimed only 34 dead from the blast. I guess I was expecting a lot more than that from such an expensive bomb. One could achieve much the same effect from more conventional bombs dropped by B-52s so they must have had some particular target or purpose in using this particular bomb and it was a target that existed for months or that they believed would pop up at the cave/tunnels for some time. All I'm saying is we really don't know the half of what they were up to with this MOAB. They decided not to tell us. You'd think it would have to be something like taking out a meeting of the senior leadership of the ISIS group in eastern Afghanistan to rate so much planning and the use of a rare MOAB bomb from our stockpile of 15 units. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-14   20:13:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Tooconservative (#14) So far, we have heard in several reports that this attack with the MOAB was planned for months by the general in charge and that the weapon had been moved there, apparently in January or February. It sounds like this was started in November or December, that it was in fact authorized originally by 0bama, much as the SEAL raid in Yemen had been authorized by 0bama but executed after Trump became prez. No doubt the MOAB drop was planned for months in advance….it’s only logical it would have been. You seem to have Obama stuck in your mind. The same as it was disputed that Obama authorized the Seal raid in Yemen by a White House official….Ben Rhodes said using MOAB was not discussed at senior levels of Obama White House when the Daily Beast reported that the Obama admin gave top American general in Afghanistan permission to use MOAB against Taliban & ISIS. https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/852601640553238529 At least you are consistent … Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-14   21:44:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Gatlin (#18) Something was authorized by someone when they sent the MOAB to Afghanistan. They make it sound like it was moved some time back and that planning was already underway. Of course, maybe the Pentagon just moves these big bombs around on a whim. But I thought all 15 MOABs were stored at some base here in the States since we declined to use them to shock-n-awe Iraqi troops, their original purpose supposedly. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-14   21:48:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Tooconservative (#19) Something was authorized by someone when they sent the MOAB to Afghanistan. Duh….okay. They make it sound like it was moved some time back and that planning was already underway. As you said before on another thread….planning is always underway for every contingency. So, there is nothing strange here. Of course, maybe the Pentagon just moves these big bombs around on a whim. Sarcasm aside, the CG was obviously considering using the MOAB and wanted it immediately available should a “strike opportunity” jump to the “now” forefront….and he would not have the time delay of dragging one out of storage way back as some stateside base. Makes sense to me … Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-14   22:14:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Gatlin (#23) As you said before on another thread….planning is always underway for every contingency. Just because they might plan to use nukes on the Korean peninsula doesn't mean they actually ship those nukes to the Korean peninsula because they might decide to use them. The military has its own ways but I don't think they moved a bomb that big and expensive to Afghanistan unless they had a very specific idea about using it in the near future. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-14   22:34:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Tooconservative (#26) Just because they might plan to use nukes on the Korean peninsula doesn't mean they actually ship those nukes to the Korean peninsula because they might decide to use them. Possibility of U.S. redeploying tactical nukes in S. Korea fuels fresh controversy Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-14   23:35:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Gatlin (#31) I was just saying that some elements of our arsenal probably are not just shipped around willy-nilly and that if we move them from their assigned depot, it is because we intend to use them in the short term. As with this MOAB. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-15   10:02:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Tooconservative (#32) I was just saying that some elements of our arsenal probably are not just shipped around willy-nilly and that if we move them from their assigned depot, it is because we intend to use them in the short term. As with this MOAB. That's true .... Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-15   10:20:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 33.         There are no replies to Comment # 33. End Trace Mode for Comment # 33. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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