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New Discovery! 2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years 2024 and beyond in prophecy Questions Status: Not Logged In; Sign In politics and politicians See other politics and politicians Articles Title: BREAKING : Mark Levin “You Should Be Very Proud of Your President -a REAL Commander in Chief” Source: truthfeed.com URL Source: http://truthfeed.com/breaking-mark- ... real-commander-in-chief/63246/ Published: Apr 8, 2017 Author: Amy Moreno Post Date: 2017-04-08 09:56:09 by Gatlin Keywords: None Views: 14411 Comments: 81 Conservative talk show powerhouse Mark Levin praised President Trump’s airstrikes against a Syria airbase, saying, “that’s a real leader.” After eight years of feckless, dithering foreign policy from Obama and his administration, it’s refreshing to see STRENGTH and confidence back in the White House. On Thursday President Trump launched 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase believed to be housing chemical weapons. The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-40) not displayed.       .       .       . #41. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, redleghunter, All (#39) (Edited) Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh … I don't think they penetrated the roof entirely. I think they exploded when they hit the rebar mesh, based on the crater on top of the roof and the larger crater in the ceiling. A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads. Always the cynic. Picky-Picky. Will you ever give up … Au contraire, on what you say about the Tomahawk penetration ability. The Tomahawk was far past my time, so I only know what I read. I dealt with 5 nukes with the B-58 and eighty-four 500-pound bombs in the B-52 over Nam….with a year in the AC-130 gunship at the end of hostilities, it had the 105 and Gatlin gun. So, maybe redleghunter has the expertise to help us here, if he will. I believe Tomahawk missile can be programed to detonate upon impact or programmed to penetrate 40 centimeters of concrete with a delayed detonation. I don’t belive that is a Tomahawk in this video, but it shows that a missile can penetrate concrete with a delayed detonation….same point. Edit: I think maybe the Tomahawk can only penetrate 20 centimeters of concrete. Anyway, it could still have, and did, penetrate the concrete roofs of those aircraft shelters. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-10   10:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Gatlin (#41) (Edited) I believe Tomahawk missile can be programed to detonate upon impact or programmed to penetrate 40 centimeters of concrete with a delayed detonation. 40cm is only 15 inches. Given the amount of dirt they piled on the roofs of these shelters, I think they would need more than 15" of concrete to support them, especially if these hangars are 50yo like I think. Using blown concrete, maybe you could make it work with less concrete but we didn't have those techniques back when these hangars were built. I've read that they developed a "Tactical Tomahawk Penetrator" but I'm not sure if they ever built any beyond the test program. We've built bigger and more effective penetrators since then. Edit: I think maybe the Tomahawk can only penetrate 20 centimeters of concrete. Anyway, it could still have, and did, penetrate the concrete roofs of those aircraft shelters. I think it penetrated the dirt roof and then blew up the concrete ceiling. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-10   10:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Gatlin (#41) Your missile video seems to be a 2000lb bunker buster, BLU 109/B. Notice the painted lettering on the concrete block. Again, that is a true bunker buster, capable of penetrating hundreds of feet of dirt and then blowing up a concrete bunker. No Tomahawk can do anything like that. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-10   10:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Gatlin (#41) I see the much smaller SDB is claimed to penetrate 3' of concrete. See video at 02:48. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-10   11:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: Tooconservative (#44) I see the much smaller SDB is claimed to penetrate 3' of concrete. Thanks ... Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-10   11:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Tooconservative (#43) Thanks ... Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-10   11:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Tooconservative (#44) ...can now service 4 times as many tagets... LOL. Nice euphemism. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria nativist nationalist  posted on  2017-04-10   12:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: nativist nationalist, redleghunter (#47) ...can now service 4 times as many tagets... LOL. Nice euphemism. Our SDB is an especially polite weapon, chock-full of egalitarian principle. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-10   13:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Gatlin (#46) Thanks ... Yeah, I totally caught you with your pants down by identifying the painted marks on that concrete block that was the star of both videos. A good example of why I am your literary hero. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-10   13:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: Gatlin (#37) I do, see why in Post 36. You believe because it is your nature to believe anything the government tells you. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-04-10   13:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: Gatlin (#38) Interesting….that some folks wish to go with the Russians and still believe there was no heavy damage to the air field. I prefer to trust my lying eyes. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-04-10   13:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: Tooconservative (#49) If they had wanted to destroy those revetments as well as the AC parked under them,they would have just used a fuel/air explosive and been done with the. Between the massive pressure wave and the lack of oxygen to breathe,they would have owned the rubble, BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-04-10   13:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: sneakypete (#52) (Edited) Whether a fuel-air explosive was more effective was not the point of the test. They were testing concrete penetration of the bunker buster under carefully controlled conditions. For instance, these bunker buster munitions have a fuse at the back of the warhead which can sense what the warhead has struck as it penetrates walls or ground or concrete. Hence in the video we see the missile penetrate the block fully before it detonates. Imagine that sort of thing in a concrete military bunker 20' below ground. That is the kind of thing they were after in the test. I thought you were talking about the test video. I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles. They're generally very big bombs, among the largest. Like those daisy-cutter bombs in size and weight. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-10   14:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #54. To: sneakypete (#50) I do, see why in Post 36. You believe because it is your nature to believe anything the government tells you. You obviously did not read the post or even dare to look at the video. Had you looked at the video, you would have seen that was not “the government telling me anything?” It was a reporter from ANNA, a news organization from Abkhazia, who gave grossly conflicting stories from the Russians and showed actual intensive video footage. His video showed a hole in the roof of the aircraft shelter when the Tomahawk penetrated and destroyed the Mig 23 aircraft. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-10   14:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: sneakypete (#51) I prefer to trust my lying eyes. I truly believe that you sincerely do….and there will be no reason for you to ever change from doing that. Good luck with that….I wish you well in life. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-10   14:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: Gatlin (#54) I see Trump's number up a little, mostly among indies. A CBS poll released on Monday showed 57 percent of Americans supported Trump's missile launch against Syria. Trump saw a bump in his own poll numbers as well. The president's approval jumped to 43 percent after the missile strike. "The increase in approval is driven mainly by independents, who are now at 42 percent approval up from 34 percent, while Republicans have held steady," CBS reported. The poll also showed fewer Americans, mostly Independents, find Trump's approach to Russia as "too friendly." The CBS poll was conducted from April 7 to 9. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-10   14:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #57. To: Tooconservative (#53) I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles. They're generally very big bombs, among the largest. Like those daisy-cutter bombs in size and weight. The Tomahawk either is already used, or soon will be redesigned to be used, as a thermobaric weapon. This is but one of the numerous upgrades of the Tomahawk over the many years….this one is all about fuel-air explosions. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-10   15:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: sneakypete, Tooconservative, All (#52) (Edited) If they had wanted to destroy those revetments as well as the AC parked under them,they would have just used a fuel/air explosive and been done with the. Why should the ever want to destroy the revetments? The revetments were entirely inconsequential to the mission objective, since the revetments were absolutely no protection for the aircraft in them. So, there was no need for a thermobaric weapon when all the Navy had to do was what they did so effectively and accurately….the Navy dropped a Tomahawk missile through the roof of the aircraft shelter [like was shown by ANNA News in the Video in Post #36] to destroy the Mig 23 aircraft in them. Between the massive pressure wave and the lack of oxygen to breathe,they would have owned the rubble, Why in the Hell would they want to own the rubble? Destroying the aircraft was obviously the primary objective for that target….and that was definitely accomplished. “Go to the video” to see that … Overkill through the use of a a thermobaric weapon was completely unnecessary … Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-10   15:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: sneakypete (#35) Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments? I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though. Depends on the warhead. redleghunter  posted on  2017-04-11   0:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #60. To: Tooconservative (#39) A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads. The sole reason for using TLAM is to get the necessary penetration. Two major model warheads and both have penetration capabilities. The unitary model is designed to penetrate hard and deeply buried targets. The model which dispenses sub munitions also have multiple penetrators. The ATACMS missiles I worked with in OIF 1 were designed around the Tomahawk unitary warhead design. Our sole purpose in procuring the warhead for ATACMS was to get the necessary penetration for deeply buried targets. Even our smaller GMLRS UNITARY rockets had superior penetration capabilities. redleghunter  posted on  2017-04-11   0:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: Gatlin (#41) See above. redleghunter  posted on  2017-04-11   0:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: Tooconservative (#42) I think it penetrated the dirt roof and then blew up the concrete ceiling. I mean the TLAM only has a 1,000lb warhead and can attack a target at an 89 degree drop angle and speed to target subsonic. They call it kenetic strike for a reason. redleghunter  posted on  2017-04-11   0:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: Tooconservative (#44) Yes a GMLRS and Excalibur have the same types of penetrators. But you are missing the point. The aircraft were not fully protected. Think of the entire explosive chain of a 1,000lb unitary warhead. No over 50! The blast and frag from just a point detonating fuze would have done the necessary damage. Plus all this talk about looking for missile bodies and counting craters. Total bush league discussion. I would gather 3-5 Tomahawks were used as "drones" what we call ISR collectors for BDA. Some were the submunition variant spreading hundreds of dual purpose bomblets with smaller penetrators to damage or destroy air defense weapons. The unitary warheads used to either blast and frag around the bunkers thus destroying the aircraft or using delay penetrator fuzes to send the heat and blast down into the bunker. This is a 1,000 lb warhead for heaven's sake. With a near vertical angle of attack, 1000lbs of explosives, proper fuze setting and not to mention speed of the missile, the TLAM can penetrate that girly bunker. However, why do that when blast and frag gets the job done. redleghunter  posted on  2017-04-11   1:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: Tooconservative (#48) Our SDB is an especially polite weapon, chock-full of egalitarian principle. That and Excalibur (155mm) version were used in Iraq when I was there. We even fielded the Excalibur in country which was a first. Both were designed for COIN. The SDB and Excalibur were used in Iraq urban fighting (during the 2007 surge). Accurate and very good when there are collateral concerns. One unit used an Excalibur against a sniper on a roof top. He no longer exists in carbon based form and the people inside the apartment building were not harmed. As a matter of fact most of them slept through the attack. redleghunter  posted on  2017-04-11   1:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: redleghunter (#63) I would gather 3-5 Tomahawks were used as "drones" what we call ISR collectors for BDA. Some were the submunition variant spreading hundreds of dual purpose bomblets with smaller penetrators to damage or destroy air defense weapons. I saw no mention of any real air defenses at the base. No mention of the location and disposition of S-300 systems either. You would think the media would display a little curiosity as to whether our missiles avoided the S-300's or flew right over them. You would think a gas attack would naturally make that base a target of the West. Yet we see nothing to indicate that Syria or Russia anticipated any such retaliation. With a near vertical angle of attack, 1000lbs of explosives, proper fuze setting and not to mention speed of the missile, the TLAM can penetrate that girly bunker. However, why do that when blast and frag gets the job done. It does seem like overkill to assign an entire Tomahawk to penetrating the roof of those hangars if all they wanted was to disable the aircraft inside. Supposedly, they were reworking some jets there and scrapping one or more others. I suppose that makes those hangars handy to have but they don't seem to to provide much real shelter. I think those are some very old hangars. Maybe they would protect aircraft from old dumb bombs if the saturation level of the attack wasn't too high. But in an era of smart bombs, they seem ridiculous. Perhaps we wanted to punch holes in them to make Assad look powerless to stop us. It doesn't seem to be degrading his air force too much. Russia probably has a thousand of those old jets in storage if Syria needs them. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-11   11:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #66. To: redleghunter (#60) The ATACMS missiles I worked with in OIF 1 were designed around the Tomahawk unitary warhead design. Our sole purpose in procuring the warhead for ATACMS was to get the necessary penetration for deeply buried targets. I've never heard the Tomahawk described as a bunker buster. We have other weapons that are designated for that. Those aircraft shelters weren't exactly bunkers though. They looked like they had 8'-10' of dirt piled on a concrete ceiling a foot or two thick. They had a workshop or parts depot built between the two hangar doorways as well but no one has described what those were. Apparently they ran fuel trucks around to refuel the jets as I saw some bombed trucks that looked like fuel trucks for jets. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-11   11:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #67. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#65) (Edited) I saw no mention of any real air defenses at the base. No mention of the location and disposition of S-300 systems either. You would think the media would display a little curiosity as to whether our missiles avoided the S- 300's or flew right over them. You would think a gas attack would naturally make that base a target of the West. Yet we see nothing to indicate that Syria or Russia anticipated any such retaliation. It was reported that Abdullah Hayri Torun, deputy CEO of major Turkish weapons maker Roketsan, claimed that Russia had shut down its air defense system in Syria ahead of the U.S. strike the airbase. There has been no confirmation of this, that I have seen. However, since the Russian ADS reportedly can detect missile fire from 400 kilometers away and then destroy the missiles when they get into range….I therefore believe the statement is true. JMO - I think this because Russia either correctly anticipated a strike they damned well knew had to be coming, or Russia was informed earlier than the stated one hour, and wanted no part of an active engagement against U.S. forces by downing Tomahawk missiles. It does seem like overkill to assign an entire Tomahawk to penetrating the roof of those hangars if all they wanted was to disable the aircraft inside. Expending a US$1.59 million Tomahawk to destroy a Mig 23 that reportedly sold for between US$3.6 million and $6.6 million depending on the customer [why the variant is unstated] that could continue to kill hundreds of people and probably [based on past history] drop another of the “gas bombs” that left some 100 men, women, and children dead and more than 500 injured….makes one Tomahawk for one Mig 23 more than fair exchange and definitely money well spent. Great job…Navy! Additional info – I heard the Tomahawk strike destroyed 20% of the Syrian Air Force aircraft. This is unconfirmed. Personal Story – It was indeed a strange sight years ago that gave me a rather eerie feeling when I would drive on the Frank Lloyd Wright Boulevard in Scottsdale and pass the end of the runway at Scottsdale Airpark where I would continually see a changing number of Migs always parked along side of the runway behind the fence just 30 yards away. The story behind the Migs in Scottsdale is here if you are interested. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-11   15:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #68. To: Gatlin (#67) It was reported that Abdullah Hayri Torun, deputy CEO of major Turkish weapons maker Roketsan, claimed that Russia had shut down its air defense system in Syria ahead of the U.S. strike the airbase. These powerful radars used for the S-300 are probably easily detected from Turkey. As a NATO member, they would be familiar with their operating characteristics. However, since the Russian ADS reportedly can detect missile fire from 400 kilometers away and then destroy the missiles when they get into range….I therefore believe the statement is true. It seems the missiles arrived at the airbase over the course of a half-hour. Most of the S-300 control/radar units can control and target 4-6 AA missiles at airborne targets at once. They do have one high-end model that can handle over thirty at once. They can track twice as many targets as they can target with missiles simultaneously. If the missiles did take a half-hour to arrive and were fairly evenly spaced, then a single S-300 might theoretically take out most of them or even all of them. We don't know which model of the S-300 is on the ground. There was a rumor of having a few S-400 batteries too but no confirmation of those at all. If there are S-400s there, it would probably be only a few batteries to protect the most important Russian airfield. I don't believe I've ever seen any real info on the disposition of the S-300 in Syria. Apparently, no one is releasing that info. Probably the info is out there as the active radars on those S-300 units should be pretty easily pinpointed. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-11   16:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #69. To: Tooconservative (#53) I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles. I don't know,but I don't see why not. They put everything else on them. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-04-11   16:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #70. To: Gatlin (#58) Why should the ever want to destroy the revetments? I don't know. More importantly,I don't even know how or why this is any of our business. The only thing I see coming out of brainfarts like this are more Muslim refugees coming to America to retire in place on welfare and other "free" stuff" while breeding future Jihadists. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-04-11   16:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #71. To: redleghunter (#59) Depends on the warhead. I'm not a zoomie and I don't even play one on teebee,but why bother to send a load if you intend to destroy your target,the shelter it is serviced in,any spare parts and tools in the area,and the men who service the aircraft? In the spirit of full disclosure,if anyone ever tells you I am a fan of small explosions,they are lying. They don't know me at all. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-04-11   17:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: redleghunter (#60) The model which dispenses sub munitions also have multiple penetrators. Cluster bombs? I used to LOVE cluster bombs. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-04-11   17:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#68) It seems the missiles arrived at the airbase over the course of a half-hour. Most of the S-300 control/radar units can control and target 4-6 AA missiles at airborne targets at once. […] If the missiles did take a half-hour to arrive and were fairly evenly spaced, then a single S-300 might theoretically take out most of them or even all of them. Not if the complete ADS is turned off. I believe that was the point I was suggesting in my post….at least I tried to. I don't believe I've ever seen any real info on the disposition of the S-300 in Syria. Apparently, no one is releasing that info. It would be stupid for either side to do so. It would be stupid for the Russians to let the U.S. know where they are. And it would be stupid for the U.S. to let the Russians know that we know where they are. But, rest assuredly….we know if they are there and where they are, if they are there. America’s Most Important Spy Plane That Isn’t an SR-71 Blackbird It’s the … Ah, memories … No, I did not serve in the RC-135. However, my terminal assignment upon returning from SEA while awaiting retirement was to refuel the RC-135s from the KC-135 off the coast of Russia. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-11   17:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #74. To: Tooconservative (#73) An interesting side note, maybe … In the video “Tribute to RC-135 Silent Warriors,” at 14:55 you will see a RC-135 at Shemya AFB in Alaska. Because of the RC-135 operating out of Shemya….Shemya was an area of high intelligence interest. So there was Russian satellite positioning to cover the base. We knew exactly when the satellite would be passing over the base each day and for how long. They were interested to find out what was going on as Shemay….and we had a definite interested in not letting it be know what was going on there. So, everything was always taken inside or covered up the entire time of the satellite passing. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-11   18:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #75. To: Gatlin (#73) It would be stupid for the Russians to let the U.S. know where they are. I think that when they turn on their radars, we do see the S-300s. So do the Israelis and probably the Turks. Perhaps they can use passive radar signals and only go live when they detect a threat. But they do operate a tracking and targeting radar system in each S-300 cluster group, depending on what they deploy and how. If they actively track/target incoming craft, I think the S-300 radar has to go active and stay active. It is a powerful ground radar station so you can't really hide it. The enemy sees it the moment you really start to use it. Russia has sold a S-300 defense to Iran and it is functioning now. I'm not sure how many units (clusters) they bought or what models Russia let them buy (purchased after 0bama gave that $150 billion back to Iran). I notice that Russia supposedly ended S-300 production in 2016 and will manufacture only S-400 unit in the future. So these S-300 are still not their most modern systems. And it is likely that Iran and Syria only have the export version of the S-300. Russia keeps its best versions for itself and markets lesser versions overseas, sort of a pattern with them going back to the Soviet era. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-11   18:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #76. To: Gatlin (#74) So, everything was always taken inside or covered up the entire time of the satellite passing. Russia tracked our satellites and spy plane flights and tried to hide things too. I recall they weren't so good at it. We managed to get photos of their Buran space shuttle despite their best efforts. That really annoyed them. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-11   18:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #77. To: Gatlin (#73) SR-71 Blackbird I was much more disappointed when they retired it than I was over retiring the awful overpriced and dangerous space shuttle. SR-71 was American aerospace at its best. It was an amazing craft in its era. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-11   19:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #78. To: Tooconservative (#77) SR-71 Blackbird A few of our pilots in the Hustler were became Blackbird pilots. My next door neighbor when the B-58 wing was formed, was a Major when I was a newly promoted 1st lieutenant. We met up again years later when the new FB-111 wing was formed….he was the wing commander. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-11   21:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #79. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#75) I think that when they turn on their radars, we do see the S-300s. So do the Israelis and probably the Turks. Perhaps they can use passive radar signals and only go live when they detect a threat. But they do operate a tracking and targeting radar system in each S-300 cluster group, depending on what they deploy and how. If they actively track/target incoming craft, I think the S-300 radar has to go active and stay active. It is a powerful ground radar station so you can't really hide it. The enemy sees it the moment you really start to use it. They got smart in Nam when the Wild Weasels were “ferreting” their asses out….challenging them to lock on and fire at them. When SA 2 locked on, they were dead ducks because the Wild Weasel fire rockets at them before they fired the SAMs. But then the assholes wised up and used AAA radar for tracking and turned on their SA 2 fire control radar at the very last second to momentarily launched the SAMs. Then they go even smarter. They would toy with the Wild Weasel by coming up with the SA 2 radar at a site in front of the Wild Weasel and then fire a SAM from another site behind the Wild Weasel. It was always a cat-and-mouse game….The Wild Weasels won some, while the SA 2s won others. Here is a story about a Wild Weasel loss while SAM hunting….where my friend, Bob Panek, bought the farm. Bob was in the B-58 class behind me and we both reported to our new Hustler wing at the same time. He went to Thailand a couple years ahead of me to the Wild Weasels at Udorn and I went to the Spectre Gunships at Ubon. BTW, Deckard was stationed at Udorn, but I think it was a couple years after Panek was shot down. Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-11   21:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #80. To: sneakypete (#72) Cluster bombs? I used to LOVE cluster bombs. A lot more sophisticated than what you probably remember.. And accurate. redleghunter  posted on  2017-04-12   22:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (81 - 81) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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