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Title: BREAKING : Mark Levin “You Should Be Very Proud of Your President -a REAL Commander in Chief”
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URL Source: http://truthfeed.com/breaking-mark- ... real-commander-in-chief/63246/
Published: Apr 8, 2017
Author: Amy Moreno
Post Date: 2017-04-08 09:56:09 by Gatlin
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Conservative talk show powerhouse Mark Levin praised President Trump’s airstrikes against a Syria airbase, saying, “that’s a real leader.” After eight years of feckless, dithering foreign policy from Obama and his administration, it’s refreshing to see STRENGTH and confidence back in the White House. On Thursday President Trump launched 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase believed to be housing chemical weapons. The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children.
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Why would anyone be "proud" of an idiot sitting in the Oval Office? Levin is full of shit, just as much as tater.
Meh... A slap on the wrist... I'm wondering why it took 60~70 Tomahawks just to blow up a couple hangars... Reportedly, the runways were barely scratched, they didn't target the chemical storage or radar systems, and planes were still using the runways the very next day... So what the hell did they actually hit with that many tomahawks?
THe Russians say that we destroyed 20 aircraft.
Yeah... but the Wikipedia says they have somewhere between 460~670 of them... so knocking out 20 barely puts a dent in their capability... especially if Putin gives Assad another couple dozen or so anytime he wants...
Trump has shit for brains.
There is absolutely no proof that the attack was ordered and orchestrated by Assad. They don't
There is absolutely no proof that the attack was ordered and orchestrated by Assad. And there is absolutely no proof that a Tomahawk missile attack was ordered and orchestrated against Assad. Latest reports show him alive and well….he was not attacked. However, the Syrian air base from which the chemical attack was launched is a different matter. There are reports of heavy damage …
Ah ... What we may have here, folks....is the makings of a whodunit mystery. Military action is typically justified by public relations gimmicry. Reality has nothing to do with it. The race is on to create support jihadist public relations by the jihadists and their allies on the destructive political left over here. Thinking people know whodunit. The question becomes one of developing an illuion of supporting enough public relations gimmicry to promote an illusion of universal support to overcome factuality over here.
H/T: randge The idiot makes posts like the above. I wager tater votes for McCain every chnce he gets.
Get ready for it, Bubba, here is a story that does make sense ... The diplomatic situation had been looking bright for President Bashar Assad of Syria. With the help of Russia, he had consolidated his power, the rebels were on their heels and the United States had just declared that ousting him was not a priority. So why would Assad risk it all, outraging the world by attacking civilians with what Turkey now says was the nerve agent sarin, killing scores of people, many of them children? Why would he inflict the deadliest chemical strike since the 2013 attacks outside Damascus, which came close to bringing U.S. military retaliation, averted only by a last-minute deal? One of the main defenses offered by Assad's allies and supporters, in disputing that chemical weapons were used in the strike Tuesday, is that such an attack would be "a crazy move," as one Iranian analyst, Mosib Na'imi, told the Russian state-run news site Sputnik. Yet, rather than an inexplicable act, analysts say, it is part of a carefully calculated strategy of escalating attacks against civilians. In recent years, as the battle has swung in its favor, the Syrian government has adopted a policy of seeking total victory by making life as miserable as possible for anyone living in areas outside its control. Government forces have been herding defeated opponents from across the country into Idlib province, where the chemical attack occurred. Starved and bombed out of their enclaves, they are bused under lopsided surrender deals to the province, where Qaida-linked groups maintain a presence the Syrian military uses as an excuse to bomb without regard for the safety of civilians. Dr. Monzer Khalil, the health director for Idlib province, said such extreme tactics are designed to demonstrate the government's impunity and to demoralize its opponents. "It makes us feel that we are defeated," said Khalil, whose gums bled after he was exposed to scores of chemical victims Tuesday. "The international community will stay gazing at what's happening and observing the explosive barrels falling and rockets bombing the civilians and the hospitals and the civil defense and killing children and medical staff without doing anything." "Militarily, there is no need," said Bente Scheller, the Middle East director of the Berlin-based Heinrich Boell Foundation. "But it spreads the message: You are at our mercy. Don't ask for international law. You see, it doesn't protect even a child." On Thursday, Syria's foreign minister challenged accounts by witnesses, experts and world leaders that his government was involved. "I stress to you once again: The Syrian Army has not, did not and will not use this kind of weapons not just against our own people, but even against the terrorists that attack our civilians with their mortar rounds," the minister, Walid Moallem, said at a news conference in Damascus. But the denial, as well as a Russian assertion that a bomb hit a chemical weapons depot controlled by the rebels, seemed perfunctory, almost without regard to the facts, which Western governments said pointed overwhelmingly to a Syrian government hand. Critics of President Barack Obama including President Donald Trump say that his decision not to enforce his "red line" on chemical attacks in 2013 convinced the Assad government it could get away with anything, and that it has been escalating its harsh tactics against civilians ever since. Since that "green light," wrote Jihad Yazigi, an opposition-leaning Syrian economist, "Assad knows that a large-scale attack against its civilians is a short-term public relations liability but a long-term political asset." That was only reinforced, critics say, by recent statements by Trump administration officials that it was time to accept the "political reality" of Assad's grip on power. By showing it puts no limits on the tactics it uses, Yazigi wrote, "the regime shows to the world the West's impotence and weakness." Khalil, 35, fled his job at a state-run hospital in 2011. The Syrian uprising was in its early days, with largely peaceful protests that faced harsh crackdowns from security forces. He said he was threatened with arrest for treating wounded demonstrators. In 2015, a mix of Qaida-linked and other rebels, some supported by the United States and its allies, drove government forces from Idlib, the capital of Idlib province. Khalil became the health director. The city then became a bombing target, and the Syrian government accused the Americans of backing the Qaida- linked group, then called the Nusra Front. "We are aware that we are in this Qaida trap," Khalil said. "But in Idlib we have 3.3 million people, and how many Qaida fighters? You cannot kill the 3 million for their sake." The fall of Idlib led to another turning point: Russia's full-on entry into the conflict, adding its firepower to the Syrian government's. Russia said it entered to fight the Islamic State, but directed most of its strikes at places further west, like Idlib, where rival insurgents more urgently threatened government forces. Chlorine attacks continued investigators from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and the United Nations concluded the government had carried out at least three in 2014 and 2015 with little international reaction. Idlib's population grew as rebels and civilians unwilling to take their chances under government rule moved there from areas recaptured by Assad forces and allies. After Trump came into office, proclaiming a wish to work with Russia and maybe even Assad against the Islamic State, expectations grew that the international community would accept relegitimzing Assad. And last week came the statements from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and the ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, indicating effectively that Washington could accept Assad remaining in power. On Monday, Western officials were gathering in Brussels to weigh billions of dollars in reconstruction aid to the Assad government, amid opposition fears that they would drop their demand for a political transition first. By Thursday, however, U.S. military officials were discussing a possible military strike on Syria, and Tillerson was saying there was "no role" for Assad in Syria's future.
Where did this happen and under who's auspices?
When did Congress declare war on Syria? Did I sleep through that? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I saw a video of a jet bomber taking off from that runway on the noon news. The concrete cover it had been sitting under didn't even look damaged. WTH did those 59 missiles land? Were they filled full of popcorn? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
There are reports of heavy damage … There were fighter/bombers taking off from it today to fly bombing missions. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Heck, I dunno pete... Someone said we got 20 aircraft...
There were fighter/bombers taking off from it today to fly bombing missions. Of course there were Syrian aircraft taking off today from the air field. It was never expected there would not be. In fact two Syrian jets already took of from the air base on Friday that was hit by the 58 Tomahawk missiles early Friday morning. They also took off yesterday….and again today, as you stated. But there were 26 less Syrian aircraft available to ever take off from that air base….since they were destroyed in the missile strikes. There were 58 hits with Tomahawks to destroy those aircraft, along with infrastructure, the air defense radar and control center, work shops and the fuel depot. All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. It was never the intent to pothole the runway to prevent usage. That would have been a waste of missiles since all potholes could have been repaired within hours anyway….for any surviving aircraft to start taking off Friday and continuing through the weekend. But take a look at this … This was the damage done only by two missiles. Stop and visualize this kind of damage to 56 other facilities and you should have a very good idea of what was meant by the usage of the term “heavy damage.” Again: All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. You disagree? Are you saying there was not heavy damage? Edit Add: There were fighter/bombers taking off from it today to fly bombing missions. Of course there were Syrian aircraft taking off today from the air field. It was never expected there would not be. In fact two Syrian jets already took of from the air base on Friday that was hit by the 58 Tomahawk missiles early Friday morning. They also took off yesterday….and again today, as you stated. But there were 26 less Syrian aircraft available to ever take off from that air base….since they were destroyed in the missile strikes. There were 58 hits with Tomahawks to destroy those aircraft, along with infrastructure, the air defense radar and control center, work shops and the fuel depot. All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. It was never the intent to pothole the runway to prevent usage. That would have been a waste of missiles since all potholes could have been repaired within hours anyway….for any surviving aircraft to start taking off Friday and continuing through the weekend. But take a look at this … This was the damage done only by two missiles. Stop and visualize this kind of damage to 56 other facilities and you should have a very good idea of what was meant by the usage of the term “heavy damage.” Again: All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. You disagree? Are you saying there was not heavy damage? Edit Add: Russia said only 23 of the 59 missiles fired from US warships hit their mark, but that six Syrian jets and several buildings were destroyed in the attack. Another report says nine Syrian jets were destroyed.
Thinking people know whodunit. The question becomes one of developing an illusion of supporting enough public relations gimmicry to promote an illusion of universal support to overcome factuality over here. I see quite a few people here have swallowed the illusion over reality. Isaac Asimov was correct. People are stupid.
This satellite picture and the satellite pictures in the link are from ImageSat International. This picture shows 44 hits….21 more than the Russians said, and 14 less that the US Navy said. There is no explained reason for the discrepancy in the Russian number. But it should be noted that some of the missile hits were probably double targeted. The reason for this is the first missile will weakened the reinforced structure and a second missile comes in moments afterwards for the kill hit. Also, on high priority targets, a double hit may be scheduled to insure severe damage or destruction. [The absence of the remaining 14 hits showing in the picture is speculation on my part and based on the target scheduling in the past….I have no idea what the procedures are today, but I would imagine the same purpose from the past would be served today]. Click here to see additional satellite images showing before/after of US missile strikes on Syrian air base.
The list here shows hundreds of instances in which the United States has used its Armed Forces abroad in situations of military conflict or potential conflict or for other than normal peacetime purposes, 1798-2016. Some of the instances were extended military engagements that might be considered undeclared wars. These include the Undeclared Naval War with France from 1798 to 1800; the First Barbary War from 1801 to 1805; the Second Barbary War of 1815; the Korean War of 1950- 1953; the Vietnam War from 1964 to 1973; the Persian Gulf War of 1991; global actions against foreign terrorists after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States; and the war with Iraq in 2003. With the exception of the Korean War, all of these conflicts received congressional authorization in some form short of a formal declaration of war. Other, more recent instances have often involved deployment of U.S. military forces as part of a multinational operation associated with NATO or the United Nations.
Where did this happen and under who's auspices? Why Syrian civilians get killed with barrel bombs and chemical attacks List of Syrian Civil War barrel bomb attacks Google for more information ….
Yes, The shelter they were in wasn't even destroyed,and there is something wrong about those photos. If those jets had been destroyed by missile strikes,why are the roofs still standing? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That pic leaves a lot to be desired but it is a step in the right direction. I suppose I must be an extreme cynic not to just take their word for it.
Yes, The shelter they were in wasn't even destroyed,and there is something wrong about those photos. For every question….there is a logical answer. The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs. That’s exactly what happened …
I cannot understand why you are such a cynic on this. If you could show good reason the Navy lied....I could join with you.
Maybe they have some reason to want to damage the roof. However, they do brag that the Tomahawk can fly a thousand miles and hit a tenth-floor window with pinpoint precision so they could have flown them into the big open doors instead of punching through the roof. I suppose those kind of aircraft shelters looked very formidable back in the Sixties and Seventies. I assume that is when they were built.
But not all of them came down in the area of the airport. Reports are that 23 to 26 landed there. The rest are "hits" on whatever they hit. One missile can take out more than one plane, etc, so quit lying and trying to claim that all 58 were wonderful hits on target. You're starting to sound like the Donald's crowd size claims for the inauguration... "alternative facts" (lies). We get less and less information about any military operation in recent years. And what we do get is increasingly exposed as unreliable. What we really get is just propaganda. Shallow propaganda at that. But maybe that is all the public actually wants and only a very few people like me actually want any details. Increasingly, the public is desperate to feel good about itself, I think. They elected (and re-elected) 0bama whose policies they never really supported because they felt good about themselves for voting for a black man for prez. You see the same sort of thing with this missile strike. People don't care how effective it was, where the missiles hit, how much damage was done. But they feel better about themselves for Trump having struck at Assad and his nasty gas and they liked those cute videos with the flag limned by the rockets' red glare of missiles launching (from a ship commanded by a Womyn no less). It's hard even to add up all the virtue-signalling points you score with that. And it wasn't just Republicans who felt that way about slapping Assad around, so did Dems, no matter how much they hate Trump.
If there were 59 missiles launched and 23 hit in the airport area, then the Ruskies might have shot down or electronically waylaid 36. This is just a wild guess and there's no proof, but it might be closer to the truth than what US gov, and MSM is reporting? Just something to ponder. In the absence of facts the sheeple will believe the prevailing malarkey that they hear from the fake news media, aka propaganda. I tend to trust the Tomahawks. In all the thousands we launched at Iraq, only one or two failed. I recall our recovery effort to get one back that fizzled and crashed without exploding. I seem to recall a second Tomahawk failed too. The Tomahawk is loved because it is so versatile and so reliable. It is our workhorse missile. And a lot more affordable than some of our other missiles.
That’s exactly what happened … You should have started that story out with "once upon a time...." BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The Tomahawks carry a payload of 1,000 lbs of high explosive. Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments? I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That’s exactly what happened … You should have started that story out with "once upon a time...." Then “once upon a time” [last Friday morning] Tomahawk missiles went through the roofs of these two aircraft shelters …. And the Tomahawk missiles destroyed the aircraft in those shelters without destroying the roofs of those shelters. There, Catfish….that’s exactly what happened and I am telling the story the way you want it to be told. You like it better that I started the story that way….huh? Good, then … At 0:41 in the video below, you will see the Syrians drive past the two aircraft shelters in the picture I posted. Continue watching that video and at 1:15 you will hear one Syrian say to another Syrian in Arabic … Here is a picture of one Mig-23 showing what one looks like before it met up with a Tomahawk missile … Ah, but I digress from “once upon a time.” Sorry about that, back to the “once upon a time” story … Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh … Here is the Syrian video … And so, Pete, it happened exactly the way I first told you it happened and now you have heard the story told the way you wanted it to begin … So, as with another story from the past … Pete, did you like it better when I tell the story by starting with “once upon a time?” And, I also politely ask you once again … Maybe you and Tooconservative should start a new ping list, called: “Skeptics Anonymous.” I am sure that Deckard would also be prequalified to sign up on it.
The Tomahawks carry a payload of 1,000 lbs of high explosive. You should not believe what your lying eyes tell you, Pete. If you are not objectively seeking the truth….your lying eyes will tell you exactly what you want to see and omit what you don’t want to see. That’s the pure and simple truth….from “once upon a time” directly to you.
Here is a Russian propaganda drone video showing the Syrian air field after the attack. You will notice they say only 23 missiles struck and there was no significant damage to the air field. You will also notice they showed the two arched aircraft shelters remained unimpaired. However, I just posted a Syrian news video for you that showed extensive damage to the air field and the aircraft in those shelters were destroyed. Interesting….that some folks wish to go with the Russians and still believe there was no heavy damage to the air field.
I don't think they penetrated the roof entirely. I think they exploded when they hit the rebar mesh, based on the crater on top of the roof and the larger crater in the ceiling. A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads. I'd like to see all of these missile bodies. They have to be somewhere. I notice this particular video offers nothing to support the idea that half of our missiles missed the airbase.
. . . However, I just posted a Syrian news video for you that showed extensive damage to the air field and the aircraft in those shelters were destroyed. ANNA News is a news outfit from Abkhazia. You may recall the Abkhazians were a breakaway region from Georgia, along with the South Ossetians back in 2008. The Abkhazians are to the northwest of Georgia along the sea and the Ossetians are in the far east of Georgia. The Russians stood down the Georgians in their attempt to steamroll their breakaway provinces, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. We didn't hear much about the Abkhazia end of things because they have a big gorge along the "border" and some really rough terrain there so Tiesucker attacked South Ossetia first. Anyway, it seems the Abkhazians didn't get the party line from Moscow on how to report the story.
I don't think they penetrated the roof entirely. I think they exploded when they hit the rebar mesh, based on the crater on top of the roof and the larger crater in the ceiling. A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads. Au contraire, on what you say about the Tomahawk penetration ability. The Tomahawk was far past my time, so I only know what I read. I dealt with 5 nukes with the B-58 and eighty-four 500-pound bombs in the B-52 over Nam….with a year in the AC-130 gunship at the end of hostilities, it had the 105 and Gatlin gun. So, maybe redleghunter has the expertise to help us here, if he will. I believe Tomahawk missile can be programed to detonate upon impact or programmed to penetrate 40 centimeters of concrete with a delayed detonation. I don’t belive that is a Tomahawk in this video, but it shows that a missile can penetrate concrete with a delayed detonation….same point. Edit: I think maybe the Tomahawk can only penetrate 20 centimeters of concrete. Anyway, it could still have, and did, penetrate the concrete roofs of those aircraft shelters.
40cm is only 15 inches. Given the amount of dirt they piled on the roofs of these shelters, I think they would need more than 15" of concrete to support them, especially if these hangars are 50yo like I think. Using blown concrete, maybe you could make it work with less concrete but we didn't have those techniques back when these hangars were built. I've read that they developed a "Tactical Tomahawk Penetrator" but I'm not sure if they ever built any beyond the test program. We've built bigger and more effective penetrators since then. I think it penetrated the dirt roof and then blew up the concrete ceiling.
Your missile video seems to be a 2000lb bunker buster, BLU 109/B. Notice the painted lettering on the concrete block. Again, that is a true bunker buster, capable of penetrating hundreds of feet of dirt and then blowing up a concrete bunker. No Tomahawk can do anything like that.
I see the much smaller SDB is claimed to penetrate 3' of concrete. See video at 02:48.
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LOL. Nice euphemism. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Our SDB is an especially polite weapon, chock-full of egalitarian principle.
Yeah, I totally caught you with your pants down by identifying the painted marks on that concrete block that was the star of both videos. A good example of why I am your literary hero.
You believe because it is your nature to believe anything the government tells you. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I prefer to trust my lying eyes. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
If they had wanted to destroy those revetments as well as the AC parked under them,they would have just used a fuel/air explosive and been done with the. Between the massive pressure wave and the lack of oxygen to breathe,they would have owned the rubble,
BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
They were testing concrete penetration of the bunker buster under carefully controlled conditions. For instance, these bunker buster munitions have a fuse at the back of the warhead which can sense what the warhead has struck as it penetrates walls or ground or concrete. Hence in the video we see the missile penetrate the block fully before it detonates. Imagine that sort of thing in a concrete military bunker 20' below ground. That is the kind of thing they were after in the test. I thought you were talking about the test video. I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles. They're generally very big bombs, among the largest. Like those daisy-cutter bombs in size and weight.
You believe because it is your nature to believe anything the government tells you. You obviously did not read the post or even dare to look at the video. Had you looked at the video, you would have seen that was not “the government telling me anything?” It was a reporter from ANNA, a news organization from Abkhazia, who gave grossly conflicting stories from the Russians and showed actual intensive video footage. His video showed a hole in the roof of the aircraft shelter when the Tomahawk penetrated and destroyed the Mig 23 aircraft.
I truly believe that you sincerely do….and there will be no reason for you to ever change from doing that. Good luck with that….I wish you well in life.
I see Trump's number up a little, mostly among indies. A CBS poll released on Monday showed 57 percent of Americans supported Trump's missile launch against Syria. Trump saw a bump in his own poll numbers as well. The president's approval jumped to 43 percent after the missile strike. "The increase in approval is driven mainly by independents, who are now at 42 percent approval up from 34 percent, while Republicans have held steady," CBS reported. The poll also showed fewer Americans, mostly Independents, find Trump's approach to Russia as "too friendly." The CBS poll was conducted from April 7 to 9.
The Tomahawk either is already used, or soon will be redesigned to be used, as a thermobaric weapon. This is but one of the numerous upgrades of the Tomahawk over the many years….this one is all about fuel-air explosions.
So, there was no need for a thermobaric weapon when all the Navy had to do was what they did so effectively and accurately….the Navy dropped a Tomahawk missile through the roof of the aircraft shelter [like was shown by ANNA News in the Video in Post #36] to destroy the Mig 23 aircraft in them. Overkill through the use of a a thermobaric weapon was completely unnecessary …
I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though. Depends on the warhead.
The sole reason for using TLAM is to get the necessary penetration. Two major model warheads and both have penetration capabilities. The unitary model is designed to penetrate hard and deeply buried targets. The model which dispenses sub munitions also have multiple penetrators. The ATACMS missiles I worked with in OIF 1 were designed around the Tomahawk unitary warhead design. Our sole purpose in procuring the warhead for ATACMS was to get the necessary penetration for deeply buried targets. Even our smaller GMLRS UNITARY rockets had superior penetration capabilities.
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I mean the TLAM only has a 1,000lb warhead and can attack a target at an 89 degree drop angle and speed to target subsonic. They call it kenetic strike for a reason.
Yes a GMLRS and Excalibur have the same types of penetrators. But you are missing the point. The aircraft were not fully protected. Think of the entire explosive chain of a 1,000lb unitary warhead. No over 50! The blast and frag from just a point detonating fuze would have done the necessary damage. Plus all this talk about looking for missile bodies and counting craters. Total bush league discussion. I would gather 3-5 Tomahawks were used as "drones" what we call ISR collectors for BDA. Some were the submunition variant spreading hundreds of dual purpose bomblets with smaller penetrators to damage or destroy air defense weapons. The unitary warheads used to either blast and frag around the bunkers thus destroying the aircraft or using delay penetrator fuzes to send the heat and blast down into the bunker. This is a 1,000 lb warhead for heaven's sake. With a near vertical angle of attack, 1000lbs of explosives, proper fuze setting and not to mention speed of the missile, the TLAM can penetrate that girly bunker. However, why do that when blast and frag gets the job done.
That and Excalibur (155mm) version were used in Iraq when I was there. We even fielded the Excalibur in country which was a first. Both were designed for COIN. The SDB and Excalibur were used in Iraq urban fighting (during the 2007 surge). Accurate and very good when there are collateral concerns. One unit used an Excalibur against a sniper on a roof top. He no longer exists in carbon based form and the people inside the apartment building were not harmed. As a matter of fact most of them slept through the attack.
I saw no mention of any real air defenses at the base. No mention of the location and disposition of S-300 systems either. You would think the media would display a little curiosity as to whether our missiles avoided the S-300's or flew right over them. You would think a gas attack would naturally make that base a target of the West. Yet we see nothing to indicate that Syria or Russia anticipated any such retaliation. It does seem like overkill to assign an entire Tomahawk to penetrating the roof of those hangars if all they wanted was to disable the aircraft inside. Supposedly, they were reworking some jets there and scrapping one or more others. I suppose that makes those hangars handy to have but they don't seem to to provide much real shelter. I think those are some very old hangars. Maybe they would protect aircraft from old dumb bombs if the saturation level of the attack wasn't too high. But in an era of smart bombs, they seem ridiculous. Perhaps we wanted to punch holes in them to make Assad look powerless to stop us. It doesn't seem to be degrading his air force too much. Russia probably has a thousand of those old jets in storage if Syria needs them.
I've never heard the Tomahawk described as a bunker buster. We have other weapons that are designated for that. Those aircraft shelters weren't exactly bunkers though. They looked like they had 8'-10' of dirt piled on a concrete ceiling a foot or two thick. They had a workshop or parts depot built between the two hangar doorways as well but no one has described what those were. Apparently they ran fuel trucks around to refuel the jets as I saw some bombed trucks that looked like fuel trucks for jets.
You would think a gas attack would naturally make that base a target of the West. Yet we see nothing to indicate that Syria or Russia anticipated any such retaliation. There has been no confirmation of this, that I have seen. However, since the Russian ADS reportedly can detect missile fire from 400 kilometers away and then destroy the missiles when they get into range….I therefore believe the statement is true. JMO - I think this because Russia either correctly anticipated a strike they damned well knew had to be coming, or Russia was informed earlier than the stated one hour, and wanted no part of an active engagement against U.S. forces by downing Tomahawk missiles. Great job…Navy! Additional info – Personal Story –
These powerful radars used for the S-300 are probably easily detected from Turkey. As a NATO member, they would be familiar with their operating characteristics. It seems the missiles arrived at the airbase over the course of a half-hour. Most of the S-300 control/radar units can control and target 4-6 AA missiles at airborne targets at once. They do have one high-end model that can handle over thirty at once. They can track twice as many targets as they can target with missiles simultaneously. If the missiles did take a half-hour to arrive and were fairly evenly spaced, then a single S-300 might theoretically take out most of them or even all of them. We don't know which model of the S-300 is on the ground. There was a rumor of having a few S-400 batteries too but no confirmation of those at all. If there are S-400s there, it would probably be only a few batteries to protect the most important Russian airfield. I don't believe I've ever seen any real info on the disposition of the S-300 in Syria. Apparently, no one is releasing that info. Probably the info is out there as the active radars on those S-300 units should be pretty easily pinpointed.
I don't know,but I don't see why not. They put everything else on them. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I don't know. More importantly,I don't even know how or why this is any of our business. The only thing I see coming out of brainfarts like this are more Muslim refugees coming to America to retire in place on welfare and other "free" stuff" while breeding future Jihadists. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I'm not a zoomie and I don't even play one on teebee,but why bother to send a load if you intend to destroy your target,the shelter it is serviced in,any spare parts and tools in the area,and the men who service the aircraft? In the spirit of full disclosure,if anyone ever tells you I am a fan of small explosions,they are lying. They don't know me at all. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Cluster bombs? I used to LOVE cluster bombs. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I believe that was the point I was suggesting in my post….at least I tried to. But, rest assuredly….we know if they are there and where they are, if they are there. Ah, memories … No, I did not serve in the RC-135. However, my terminal assignment upon returning from SEA while awaiting retirement was to refuel the RC-135s from the KC-135 off the coast of Russia.
An interesting side note, maybe … In the video “Tribute to RC-135 Silent Warriors,” at 14:55 you will see a RC-135 at Shemya AFB in Alaska. Because of the RC-135 operating out of Shemya….Shemya was an area of high intelligence interest. So there was Russian satellite positioning to cover the base. We knew exactly when the satellite would be passing over the base each day and for how long. They were interested to find out what was going on as Shemay….and we had a definite interested in not letting it be know what was going on there. So, everything was always taken inside or covered up the entire time of the satellite passing.
I think that when they turn on their radars, we do see the S-300s. So do the Israelis and probably the Turks. Perhaps they can use passive radar signals and only go live when they detect a threat. But they do operate a tracking and targeting radar system in each S-300 cluster group, depending on what they deploy and how. If they actively track/target incoming craft, I think the S-300 radar has to go active and stay active. It is a powerful ground radar station so you can't really hide it. The enemy sees it the moment you really start to use it. Russia has sold a S-300 defense to Iran and it is functioning now. I'm not sure how many units (clusters) they bought or what models Russia let them buy (purchased after 0bama gave that $150 billion back to Iran). I notice that Russia supposedly ended S-300 production in 2016 and will manufacture only S-400 unit in the future. So these S-300 are still not their most modern systems. And it is likely that Iran and Syria only have the export version of the S-300. Russia keeps its best versions for itself and markets lesser versions overseas, sort of a pattern with them going back to the Soviet era.
Russia tracked our satellites and spy plane flights and tried to hide things too. I recall they weren't so good at it. We managed to get photos of their Buran space shuttle despite their best efforts. That really annoyed them.
I was much more disappointed when they retired it than I was over retiring the awful overpriced and dangerous space shuttle. SR-71 was American aerospace at its best. It was an amazing craft in its era.
A few of our pilots in the Hustler were became Blackbird pilots. My next door neighbor when the B-58 wing was formed, was a Major when I was a newly promoted 1st lieutenant. We met up again years later when the new FB-111 wing was formed….he was the wing commander.
But then the assholes wised up and used AAA radar for tracking and turned on their SA 2 fire control radar at the very last second to momentarily launched the SAMs. Then they go even smarter. They would toy with the Wild Weasel by coming up with the SA 2 radar at a site in front of the Wild Weasel and then fire a SAM from another site behind the Wild Weasel. It was always a cat-and-mouse game….The Wild Weasels won some, while the SA 2s won others. Here is a story about a Wild Weasel loss while SAM hunting….where my friend, Bob Panek, bought the farm. Bob was in the B-58 class behind me and we both reported to our new Hustler wing at the same time. He went to Thailand a couple years ahead of me to the Wild Weasels at Udorn and I went to the Spectre Gunships at Ubon. BTW, Deckard was stationed at Udorn, but I think it was a couple years after Panek was shot down.
A lot more sophisticated than what you probably remember.. And accurate.
There was nothing even the tiniest bit accurate about the ones I remember. '. They were the original "rumble in the jungle. Can't say much more about them because I am unsure about their security rating. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#2. To: Gatlin (#0)
The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children.
#3. To: Willie Green (#2)
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
#5. To: Gatlin (#0)
(Edited)
“You Should Be Very Proud of Your President -a REAL Commander in Chief”
A real commander in chief does not lead his people into obvious self destructive ambushs!
#6. To: Gatlin (#0)
The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
THe Russians say that we destroyed 20 aircraft.
#8. To: Deckard (#6)
(Edited)
The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack
#9. To: Gatlin (#8)
There is absolutely no proof that the attack was ordered and orchestrated by Assad.
#10. To: Gatlin, MAQGA, *Arab Spring Jihad*, buckeroo (#8)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: Gatlin, randge (#8)
the Syrian air base from which the chemical attack was launched
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#12. To: hondo68, tater the babbling idiot (#10)
tater: Latest reports show him [Assad]alive and well…he [Assad] was not attacked.
#13. To: Deckard (#11)
THIS STORY MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL
Syria's use of chemical weapons has a grim logic
#14. To: Gatlin, ISIS of Panama, Jihad Johnny McCain, Hillary neocons, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#13)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: Gatlin (#13)
"The international community will stay gazing at what's happening and observing the explosive barrels falling and rockets bombing the civilians and the hospitals and the civil defense and killing children and medical staff without doing anything."
#16. To: Gatlin (#0)
The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children.
#17. To: Willie Green (#2)
Reportedly, the runways were barely scratched,
#18. To: Gatlin (#8)
However, the Syrian air base from which the chemical attack was launched is a different matter.
#19. To: sneakypete (#17)
WTH did those 59 missiles land? Were they filled full of popcorn?
but even that don't sound very cost effective to me...
59 tomahawks gotta cost a helluva lot more than 20 crappy worn out Syrian aircraft they probably got as hand-me-downs from Russia or Yugoslavia or Poland or wherever Syria gets their worn-out commie-surplus aircraft..
#20. To: sneakypete (#18)
(Edited)
There are reports of heavy damage …
In a photo released by the Russian state-owned news outlet, Sputnik, the remains of two planes are seen
underneath a shelter following the U.S. missile attack on an air base in Syria, April 7, 2017.
Russia said only 23 of the 59 missiles fired from US warships hit their mark, but that six Syrian jets and several buildings were destroyed in the attack. There are reports of heavy damage …
In a photo released by the Russian state-owned news outlet, Sputnik, the remains of two planes are seen
underneath a shelter following the U.S. missile attack on an air base in Syria, April 7, 2017.
#21. To: All (#9)
(Edited)
Military action is typically justified by public relations gimmicry. Reality has nothing to do with it. The race is on to create support jihadist public relations by the jihadists and their allies on the destructive political left over here.
#22. To: sneakypete, Tooconservative, All (#20)
#23. To: sneakypete (#16)
#24. To: rlk (#15)
"The international community will stay gazing at what's happening and observing the explosive barrels falling and rockets bombing the civilians and the hospitals and the civil defense and killing children and medical staff without doing anything."
Largest hospital in rebel-held Aleppo hit by barrel bombs
#25. To: Gatlin (#20)
Are you saying there was not heavy damage?
#26. To: Gatlin (#22)
This picture shows 44 hits….21 more than the Russians said, and 14 less that the US Navy said.
#27. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative (#25)
Are you saying there was not heavy damage?
Uh, hello Pete, they were not destroying the shelters….they were destroying the aircraft in the shelters. If those jets had been destroyed by missile strikes,why are the roofs still standing?
#28. To: Tooconservative (#26)
I suppose I must be an extreme cynic not to just take their word for it.
#29. To: Gatlin, sneakypete (#27)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
#30. To: Gatlin, Bagdad Bob tater (#20)
There were 58 hits with Tomahawks to destroy those aircraft, along with infrastructure, the air defense radar and control center, work shops and the fuel depot.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#31. To: Gatlin (#28)
If you could show good reason the Navy lied....I could join with you.
#32. To: Tooconservative (#31)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
If there were 59 missiles launched and 23 hit in the airport area, then the Ruskies might have shot down or electronically waylaid 36. This is just a wild guess and there's no proof, but it might be closer to the truth than what US gov, and MSM is reporting?
#34. To: Gatlin (#27)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
#35. To: Tooconservative (#29)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
#36. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative, All (#34)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
If you say so, and that is what you need to hear to start the story … So the missiles came through the top [meaning the roof, of course], right?
Then at 1:19 you will hear the other Syrian say … Yea, it broke through the roof of the hanger.
At 1:29 you will hear one Syrian ask another Syrian, as they stand by a heaping pile of burned out wreckage in the aircraft shelter where the missile went through … Is this the burned down Mig-23?
And at 1:23 you will hear the Syrians ask and answer … And all of the hits came through the roof? Yes, exactly.
At 1:34, you will hear a Syrian say … It is the same in the other hanger.
And 1:34 you also see a picture of what is left of the afterburner nozzles of the burned out Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 [Микоян и Гуревич МиГ-23] “Flogger”….a Soviet made single-engine single-seat swing-wing supersonic jet fighter. 
Goldilocks woke up and saw the three bears. She screamed, "Help!" And she jumped up and ran out of the room.
I hope you can now wake up to reality and fully comprehend that the Tomahawk missiles did indeed penetrate through the roofs of the aircraft shelters and destroyed the Mig-23s without ever destroying the roofs of those shelters….leaving only holes. Pete, are you saying there was not heavy damage?
#37. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative, All (#35)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
The Tomahawk has a wide variety of warheads configured for different target objectives. Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments?
I do, see why in Post 36. I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though.
Pete, you are a classic example of why science tells us not to rely on eyewitness accounts.
#38. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, redleghunter, All (#36)
(Edited)
#39. To: Gatlin, sneakypete, hondo68 (#36)
Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh …
Here is the Syrian video …
At least they showed us a couple of Tomahawk missile bodies and some parts with Raytheon serial numbers.
#40. To: Gatlin (#38)
Here is a Russian propaganda drone video showing the Syrian air field after the attack.
#41. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, redleghunter, All (#39)
(Edited)
Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh …
Always the cynic. Picky-Picky. Will you ever give up …
#42. To: Gatlin (#41)
(Edited)
I believe Tomahawk missile can be programed to detonate upon impact or programmed to penetrate 40 centimeters of concrete with a delayed detonation.
Edit: I think maybe the Tomahawk can only penetrate 20 centimeters of concrete. Anyway, it could still have, and did, penetrate the concrete roofs of those aircraft shelters.
#43. To: Gatlin (#41)
#44. To: Gatlin (#41)
#45. To: Tooconservative (#44)
I see the much smaller SDB is claimed to penetrate 3' of concrete.
#46. To: Tooconservative (#43)
#47. To: Tooconservative (#44)
...can now service 4 times as many tagets...
#48. To: nativist nationalist, redleghunter (#47)
...can now service 4 times as many tagets...
LOL. Nice euphemism.
#49. To: Gatlin (#46)
Thanks ...
#50. To: Gatlin (#37)
I do, see why in Post 36.
#51. To: Gatlin (#38)
Interesting….that some folks wish to go with the Russians and still believe there was no heavy damage to the air field.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#49)
#53. To: sneakypete (#52)
(Edited)
Whether a fuel-air explosive was more effective was not the point of the test.
#54. To: sneakypete (#50)
I do, see why in Post 36.
#55. To: sneakypete (#51)
I prefer to trust my lying eyes.
#56. To: Gatlin (#54)
#57. To: Tooconservative (#53)
I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles. They're generally very big bombs, among the largest. Like those daisy-cutter bombs in size and weight.
#58. To: sneakypete, Tooconservative, All (#52)
(Edited)
If they had wanted to destroy those revetments as well as the AC parked under them,they would have just used a fuel/air explosive and been done with the.
Why should the ever want to destroy the revetments? The revetments were entirely inconsequential to the mission objective, since the revetments were absolutely no protection for the aircraft in them. Between the massive pressure wave and the lack of oxygen to breathe,they would have owned the rubble,
Why in the Hell would they want to own the rubble? Destroying the aircraft was obviously the primary objective for that target….and that was definitely accomplished. “Go to the video” to see that …
#59. To: sneakypete (#35)
Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments?
#60. To: Tooconservative (#39)
A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads.
#61. To: Gatlin (#41)
#62. To: Tooconservative (#42)
I think it penetrated the dirt roof and then blew up the concrete ceiling.
#63. To: Tooconservative (#44)
#64. To: Tooconservative (#48)
Our SDB is an especially polite weapon, chock-full of egalitarian principle.
#65. To: redleghunter (#63)
I would gather 3-5 Tomahawks were used as "drones" what we call ISR collectors for BDA. Some were the submunition variant spreading hundreds of dual purpose bomblets with smaller penetrators to damage or destroy air defense weapons.
With a near vertical angle of attack, 1000lbs of explosives, proper fuze setting and not to mention speed of the missile, the TLAM can penetrate that girly bunker. However, why do that when blast and frag gets the job done.
#66. To: redleghunter (#60)
The ATACMS missiles I worked with in OIF 1 were designed around the Tomahawk unitary warhead design. Our sole purpose in procuring the warhead for ATACMS was to get the necessary penetration for deeply buried targets.
#67. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#65)
(Edited)
I saw no mention of any real air defenses at the base. No mention of the location and disposition of S-300 systems either. You would think the media would display a little curiosity as to whether our missiles avoided the S- 300's or flew right over them.
It was reported that Abdullah Hayri Torun, deputy CEO of major Turkish weapons maker Roketsan, claimed that Russia had shut down its air defense system in Syria ahead of the U.S. strike the airbase. It does seem like overkill to assign an entire Tomahawk to penetrating the roof of those hangars if all they wanted was to disable the aircraft inside.
Expending a US$1.59 million Tomahawk to destroy a Mig 23 that reportedly sold for between US$3.6 million and $6.6 million depending on the customer [why the variant is unstated] that could continue to kill hundreds of people and probably [based on past history] drop another of the “gas bombs” that left some 100 men, women, and children dead and more than 500 injured….makes one Tomahawk for one Mig 23 more than fair exchange and definitely money well spent.
I heard the Tomahawk strike destroyed 20% of the Syrian Air Force aircraft. This is unconfirmed.
It was indeed a strange sight years ago that gave me a rather eerie feeling when I would drive on the Frank Lloyd Wright Boulevard in Scottsdale and pass the end of the runway at Scottsdale Airpark where I would continually see a changing number of Migs always parked along side of the runway behind the fence just 30 yards away. The story behind the Migs in Scottsdale is here if you are interested.
#68. To: Gatlin (#67)
It was reported that Abdullah Hayri Torun, deputy CEO of major Turkish weapons maker Roketsan, claimed that Russia had shut down its air defense system in Syria ahead of the U.S. strike the airbase.
However, since the Russian ADS reportedly can detect missile fire from 400 kilometers away and then destroy the missiles when they get into range….I therefore believe the statement is true.
#69. To: Tooconservative (#53)
I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles.
#70. To: Gatlin (#58)
Why should the ever want to destroy the revetments?
#71. To: redleghunter (#59)
Depends on the warhead.
#72. To: redleghunter (#60)
The model which dispenses sub munitions also have multiple penetrators.
#73. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#68)
It seems the missiles arrived at the airbase over the course of a half-hour. Most of the S-300 control/radar units can control and target 4-6 AA missiles at airborne targets at once.
Not if the complete ADS is turned off.
[…]
If the missiles did take a half-hour to arrive and were fairly evenly spaced, then a single S-300 might theoretically take out most of them or even all of them. I don't believe I've ever seen any real info on the disposition of the S-300 in Syria. Apparently, no one is releasing that info.
It would be stupid for either side to do so.
It would be stupid for the Russians to let the U.S. know where they are.
And it would be stupid for the U.S. to let the Russians know that we know where they are. America’s Most Important Spy Plane That Isn’t an SR-71 Blackbird
It’s the …
#74. To: Tooconservative (#73)
#75. To: Gatlin (#73)
It would be stupid for the Russians to let the U.S. know where they are.
#76. To: Gatlin (#74)
So, everything was always taken inside or covered up the entire time of the satellite passing.
#77. To: Gatlin (#73)
SR-71 Blackbird
#78. To: Tooconservative (#77)
SR-71 Blackbird
#79. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#75)
I think that when they turn on their radars, we do see the S-300s. So do the Israelis and probably the Turks. Perhaps they can use passive radar signals and only go live when they detect a threat. But they do operate a tracking and targeting radar system in each S-300 cluster group, depending on what they deploy and how. If they actively track/target incoming craft, I think the S-300 radar has to go active and stay active. It is a powerful ground radar station so you can't really hide it. The enemy sees it the moment you really start to use it.
They got smart in Nam when the Wild Weasels were “ferreting” their asses out….challenging them to lock on and fire at them. When SA 2 locked on, they were dead ducks because the Wild Weasel fire rockets at them before they fired the SAMs.
#80. To: sneakypete (#72)
Cluster bombs? I used to LOVE cluster bombs.
#81. To: redleghunter (#80)
(Edited)
A lot more sophisticated than what you probably remember.. And accurate.
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