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Title: BREAKING : Mark Levin “You Should Be Very Proud of Your President -a REAL Commander in Chief”
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Published: Apr 8, 2017
Author: Amy Moreno
Post Date: 2017-04-08 09:56:09 by Gatlin
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Conservative talk show powerhouse Mark Levin praised President Trump’s airstrikes against a Syria airbase, saying, “that’s a real leader.” After eight years of feckless, dithering foreign policy from Obama and his administration, it’s refreshing to see STRENGTH and confidence back in the White House. On Thursday President Trump launched 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase believed to be housing chemical weapons. The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children.
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#32. To: Tooconservative (#31)
If there were 59 missiles launched and 23 hit in the airport area, then the Ruskies might have shot down or electronically waylaid 36. This is just a wild guess and there's no proof, but it might be closer to the truth than what US gov, and MSM is reporting? Just something to ponder. In the absence of facts the sheeple will believe the prevailing malarkey that they hear from the fake news media, aka propaganda. I tend to trust the Tomahawks. In all the thousands we launched at Iraq, only one or two failed. I recall our recovery effort to get one back that fizzled and crashed without exploding. I seem to recall a second Tomahawk failed too. The Tomahawk is loved because it is so versatile and so reliable. It is our workhorse missile. And a lot more affordable than some of our other missiles.
That’s exactly what happened … You should have started that story out with "once upon a time...." BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The Tomahawks carry a payload of 1,000 lbs of high explosive. Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments? I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That’s exactly what happened … You should have started that story out with "once upon a time...." Then “once upon a time” [last Friday morning] Tomahawk missiles went through the roofs of these two aircraft shelters …. And the Tomahawk missiles destroyed the aircraft in those shelters without destroying the roofs of those shelters. There, Catfish….that’s exactly what happened and I am telling the story the way you want it to be told. You like it better that I started the story that way….huh? Good, then … At 0:41 in the video below, you will see the Syrians drive past the two aircraft shelters in the picture I posted. Continue watching that video and at 1:15 you will hear one Syrian say to another Syrian in Arabic … Here is a picture of one Mig-23 showing what one looks like before it met up with a Tomahawk missile … Ah, but I digress from “once upon a time.” Sorry about that, back to the “once upon a time” story … Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh … Here is the Syrian video … And so, Pete, it happened exactly the way I first told you it happened and now you have heard the story told the way you wanted it to begin … So, as with another story from the past … Pete, did you like it better when I tell the story by starting with “once upon a time?” And, I also politely ask you once again … Maybe you and Tooconservative should start a new ping list, called: “Skeptics Anonymous.” I am sure that Deckard would also be prequalified to sign up on it.
The Tomahawks carry a payload of 1,000 lbs of high explosive. You should not believe what your lying eyes tell you, Pete. If you are not objectively seeking the truth….your lying eyes will tell you exactly what you want to see and omit what you don’t want to see. That’s the pure and simple truth….from “once upon a time” directly to you.
Here is a Russian propaganda drone video showing the Syrian air field after the attack. You will notice they say only 23 missiles struck and there was no significant damage to the air field. You will also notice they showed the two arched aircraft shelters remained unimpaired. However, I just posted a Syrian news video for you that showed extensive damage to the air field and the aircraft in those shelters were destroyed. Interesting….that some folks wish to go with the Russians and still believe there was no heavy damage to the air field.
I don't think they penetrated the roof entirely. I think they exploded when they hit the rebar mesh, based on the crater on top of the roof and the larger crater in the ceiling. A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads. I'd like to see all of these missile bodies. They have to be somewhere. I notice this particular video offers nothing to support the idea that half of our missiles missed the airbase.
. . . However, I just posted a Syrian news video for you that showed extensive damage to the air field and the aircraft in those shelters were destroyed. ANNA News is a news outfit from Abkhazia. You may recall the Abkhazians were a breakaway region from Georgia, along with the South Ossetians back in 2008. The Abkhazians are to the northwest of Georgia along the sea and the Ossetians are in the far east of Georgia. The Russians stood down the Georgians in their attempt to steamroll their breakaway provinces, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. We didn't hear much about the Abkhazia end of things because they have a big gorge along the "border" and some really rough terrain there so Tiesucker attacked South Ossetia first. Anyway, it seems the Abkhazians didn't get the party line from Moscow on how to report the story.
I don't think they penetrated the roof entirely. I think they exploded when they hit the rebar mesh, based on the crater on top of the roof and the larger crater in the ceiling. A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads. Au contraire, on what you say about the Tomahawk penetration ability. The Tomahawk was far past my time, so I only know what I read. I dealt with 5 nukes with the B-58 and eighty-four 500-pound bombs in the B-52 over Nam….with a year in the AC-130 gunship at the end of hostilities, it had the 105 and Gatlin gun. So, maybe redleghunter has the expertise to help us here, if he will. I believe Tomahawk missile can be programed to detonate upon impact or programmed to penetrate 40 centimeters of concrete with a delayed detonation. I don’t belive that is a Tomahawk in this video, but it shows that a missile can penetrate concrete with a delayed detonation….same point. Edit: I think maybe the Tomahawk can only penetrate 20 centimeters of concrete. Anyway, it could still have, and did, penetrate the concrete roofs of those aircraft shelters.
40cm is only 15 inches. Given the amount of dirt they piled on the roofs of these shelters, I think they would need more than 15" of concrete to support them, especially if these hangars are 50yo like I think. Using blown concrete, maybe you could make it work with less concrete but we didn't have those techniques back when these hangars were built. I've read that they developed a "Tactical Tomahawk Penetrator" but I'm not sure if they ever built any beyond the test program. We've built bigger and more effective penetrators since then. I think it penetrated the dirt roof and then blew up the concrete ceiling.
Your missile video seems to be a 2000lb bunker buster, BLU 109/B. Notice the painted lettering on the concrete block. Again, that is a true bunker buster, capable of penetrating hundreds of feet of dirt and then blowing up a concrete bunker. No Tomahawk can do anything like that.
I see the much smaller SDB is claimed to penetrate 3' of concrete. See video at 02:48.
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LOL. Nice euphemism. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Our SDB is an especially polite weapon, chock-full of egalitarian principle.
Yeah, I totally caught you with your pants down by identifying the painted marks on that concrete block that was the star of both videos. A good example of why I am your literary hero.
You believe because it is your nature to believe anything the government tells you. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I prefer to trust my lying eyes. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
If they had wanted to destroy those revetments as well as the AC parked under them,they would have just used a fuel/air explosive and been done with the. Between the massive pressure wave and the lack of oxygen to breathe,they would have owned the rubble,
BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
They were testing concrete penetration of the bunker buster under carefully controlled conditions. For instance, these bunker buster munitions have a fuse at the back of the warhead which can sense what the warhead has struck as it penetrates walls or ground or concrete. Hence in the video we see the missile penetrate the block fully before it detonates. Imagine that sort of thing in a concrete military bunker 20' below ground. That is the kind of thing they were after in the test. I thought you were talking about the test video. I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles. They're generally very big bombs, among the largest. Like those daisy-cutter bombs in size and weight.
You believe because it is your nature to believe anything the government tells you. You obviously did not read the post or even dare to look at the video. Had you looked at the video, you would have seen that was not “the government telling me anything?” It was a reporter from ANNA, a news organization from Abkhazia, who gave grossly conflicting stories from the Russians and showed actual intensive video footage. His video showed a hole in the roof of the aircraft shelter when the Tomahawk penetrated and destroyed the Mig 23 aircraft.
I truly believe that you sincerely do….and there will be no reason for you to ever change from doing that. Good luck with that….I wish you well in life.
I see Trump's number up a little, mostly among indies. A CBS poll released on Monday showed 57 percent of Americans supported Trump's missile launch against Syria. Trump saw a bump in his own poll numbers as well. The president's approval jumped to 43 percent after the missile strike. "The increase in approval is driven mainly by independents, who are now at 42 percent approval up from 34 percent, while Republicans have held steady," CBS reported. The poll also showed fewer Americans, mostly Independents, find Trump's approach to Russia as "too friendly." The CBS poll was conducted from April 7 to 9.
The Tomahawk either is already used, or soon will be redesigned to be used, as a thermobaric weapon. This is but one of the numerous upgrades of the Tomahawk over the many years….this one is all about fuel-air explosions.
So, there was no need for a thermobaric weapon when all the Navy had to do was what they did so effectively and accurately….the Navy dropped a Tomahawk missile through the roof of the aircraft shelter [like was shown by ANNA News in the Video in Post #36] to destroy the Mig 23 aircraft in them. Overkill through the use of a a thermobaric weapon was completely unnecessary …
I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though. Depends on the warhead.
The sole reason for using TLAM is to get the necessary penetration. Two major model warheads and both have penetration capabilities. The unitary model is designed to penetrate hard and deeply buried targets. The model which dispenses sub munitions also have multiple penetrators. The ATACMS missiles I worked with in OIF 1 were designed around the Tomahawk unitary warhead design. Our sole purpose in procuring the warhead for ATACMS was to get the necessary penetration for deeply buried targets. Even our smaller GMLRS UNITARY rockets had superior penetration capabilities.
See above.
I mean the TLAM only has a 1,000lb warhead and can attack a target at an 89 degree drop angle and speed to target subsonic. They call it kenetic strike for a reason.
Yes a GMLRS and Excalibur have the same types of penetrators. But you are missing the point. The aircraft were not fully protected. Think of the entire explosive chain of a 1,000lb unitary warhead. No over 50! The blast and frag from just a point detonating fuze would have done the necessary damage. Plus all this talk about looking for missile bodies and counting craters. Total bush league discussion. I would gather 3-5 Tomahawks were used as "drones" what we call ISR collectors for BDA. Some were the submunition variant spreading hundreds of dual purpose bomblets with smaller penetrators to damage or destroy air defense weapons. The unitary warheads used to either blast and frag around the bunkers thus destroying the aircraft or using delay penetrator fuzes to send the heat and blast down into the bunker. This is a 1,000 lb warhead for heaven's sake. With a near vertical angle of attack, 1000lbs of explosives, proper fuze setting and not to mention speed of the missile, the TLAM can penetrate that girly bunker. However, why do that when blast and frag gets the job done.
That and Excalibur (155mm) version were used in Iraq when I was there. We even fielded the Excalibur in country which was a first. Both were designed for COIN. The SDB and Excalibur were used in Iraq urban fighting (during the 2007 surge). Accurate and very good when there are collateral concerns. One unit used an Excalibur against a sniper on a roof top. He no longer exists in carbon based form and the people inside the apartment building were not harmed. As a matter of fact most of them slept through the attack.
I saw no mention of any real air defenses at the base. No mention of the location and disposition of S-300 systems either. You would think the media would display a little curiosity as to whether our missiles avoided the S-300's or flew right over them. You would think a gas attack would naturally make that base a target of the West. Yet we see nothing to indicate that Syria or Russia anticipated any such retaliation. It does seem like overkill to assign an entire Tomahawk to penetrating the roof of those hangars if all they wanted was to disable the aircraft inside. Supposedly, they were reworking some jets there and scrapping one or more others. I suppose that makes those hangars handy to have but they don't seem to to provide much real shelter. I think those are some very old hangars. Maybe they would protect aircraft from old dumb bombs if the saturation level of the attack wasn't too high. But in an era of smart bombs, they seem ridiculous. Perhaps we wanted to punch holes in them to make Assad look powerless to stop us. It doesn't seem to be degrading his air force too much. Russia probably has a thousand of those old jets in storage if Syria needs them.
I've never heard the Tomahawk described as a bunker buster. We have other weapons that are designated for that. Those aircraft shelters weren't exactly bunkers though. They looked like they had 8'-10' of dirt piled on a concrete ceiling a foot or two thick. They had a workshop or parts depot built between the two hangar doorways as well but no one has described what those were. Apparently they ran fuel trucks around to refuel the jets as I saw some bombed trucks that looked like fuel trucks for jets.
You would think a gas attack would naturally make that base a target of the West. Yet we see nothing to indicate that Syria or Russia anticipated any such retaliation. There has been no confirmation of this, that I have seen. However, since the Russian ADS reportedly can detect missile fire from 400 kilometers away and then destroy the missiles when they get into range….I therefore believe the statement is true. JMO - I think this because Russia either correctly anticipated a strike they damned well knew had to be coming, or Russia was informed earlier than the stated one hour, and wanted no part of an active engagement against U.S. forces by downing Tomahawk missiles. Great job…Navy! Additional info – Personal Story –
These powerful radars used for the S-300 are probably easily detected from Turkey. As a NATO member, they would be familiar with their operating characteristics. It seems the missiles arrived at the airbase over the course of a half-hour. Most of the S-300 control/radar units can control and target 4-6 AA missiles at airborne targets at once. They do have one high-end model that can handle over thirty at once. They can track twice as many targets as they can target with missiles simultaneously. If the missiles did take a half-hour to arrive and were fairly evenly spaced, then a single S-300 might theoretically take out most of them or even all of them. We don't know which model of the S-300 is on the ground. There was a rumor of having a few S-400 batteries too but no confirmation of those at all. If there are S-400s there, it would probably be only a few batteries to protect the most important Russian airfield. I don't believe I've ever seen any real info on the disposition of the S-300 in Syria. Apparently, no one is releasing that info. Probably the info is out there as the active radars on those S-300 units should be pretty easily pinpointed.
I don't know,but I don't see why not. They put everything else on them. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I don't know. More importantly,I don't even know how or why this is any of our business. The only thing I see coming out of brainfarts like this are more Muslim refugees coming to America to retire in place on welfare and other "free" stuff" while breeding future Jihadists. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I'm not a zoomie and I don't even play one on teebee,but why bother to send a load if you intend to destroy your target,the shelter it is serviced in,any spare parts and tools in the area,and the men who service the aircraft? In the spirit of full disclosure,if anyone ever tells you I am a fan of small explosions,they are lying. They don't know me at all. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Cluster bombs? I used to LOVE cluster bombs. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
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#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
If there were 59 missiles launched and 23 hit in the airport area, then the Ruskies might have shot down or electronically waylaid 36. This is just a wild guess and there's no proof, but it might be closer to the truth than what US gov, and MSM is reporting?
#34. To: Gatlin (#27)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
#35. To: Tooconservative (#29)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
#36. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative, All (#34)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
If you say so, and that is what you need to hear to start the story … 
So the missiles came through the top [meaning the roof, of course], right?
Then at 1:19 you will hear the other Syrian say … Yea, it broke through the roof of the hanger.
At 1:29 you will hear one Syrian ask another Syrian, as they stand by a heaping pile of burned out wreckage in the aircraft shelter where the missile went through … Is this the burned down Mig-23?
And at 1:23 you will hear the Syrians ask and answer … And all of the hits came through the roof? Yes, exactly.
At 1:34, you will hear a Syrian say … It is the same in the other hanger.
And 1:34 you also see a picture of what is left of the afterburner nozzles of the burned out Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 [Микоян и Гуревич МиГ-23] “Flogger”….a Soviet made single-engine single-seat swing-wing supersonic jet fighter. 
Goldilocks woke up and saw the three bears. She screamed, "Help!" And she jumped up and ran out of the room.
I hope you can now wake up to reality and fully comprehend that the Tomahawk missiles did indeed penetrate through the roofs of the aircraft shelters and destroyed the Mig-23s without ever destroying the roofs of those shelters….leaving only holes. Pete, are you saying there was not heavy damage?
#37. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative, All (#35)
The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.
The Tomahawk has a wide variety of warheads configured for different target objectives. Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments?
I do, see why in Post 36. I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though.
Pete, you are a classic example of why science tells us not to rely on eyewitness accounts.
#38. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, redleghunter, All (#36)
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#39. To: Gatlin, sneakypete, hondo68 (#36)
Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh …
Here is the Syrian video …
At least they showed us a couple of Tomahawk missile bodies and some parts with Raytheon serial numbers.
#40. To: Gatlin (#38)
Here is a Russian propaganda drone video showing the Syrian air field after the attack.
#41. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, redleghunter, All (#39)
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Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh …
Always the cynic. Picky-Picky. Will you ever give up …
#42. To: Gatlin (#41)
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I believe Tomahawk missile can be programed to detonate upon impact or programmed to penetrate 40 centimeters of concrete with a delayed detonation.
Edit: I think maybe the Tomahawk can only penetrate 20 centimeters of concrete. Anyway, it could still have, and did, penetrate the concrete roofs of those aircraft shelters.
#43. To: Gatlin (#41)
#44. To: Gatlin (#41)
#45. To: Tooconservative (#44)
I see the much smaller SDB is claimed to penetrate 3' of concrete.
#46. To: Tooconservative (#43)
#47. To: Tooconservative (#44)
...can now service 4 times as many tagets...
#48. To: nativist nationalist, redleghunter (#47)
...can now service 4 times as many tagets...
LOL. Nice euphemism.
#49. To: Gatlin (#46)
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#50. To: Gatlin (#37)
I do, see why in Post 36.
#51. To: Gatlin (#38)
Interesting….that some folks wish to go with the Russians and still believe there was no heavy damage to the air field.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#49)
#53. To: sneakypete (#52)
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Whether a fuel-air explosive was more effective was not the point of the test.
#54. To: sneakypete (#50)
I do, see why in Post 36.
#55. To: sneakypete (#51)
I prefer to trust my lying eyes.
#56. To: Gatlin (#54)
#57. To: Tooconservative (#53)
I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles. They're generally very big bombs, among the largest. Like those daisy-cutter bombs in size and weight.
#58. To: sneakypete, Tooconservative, All (#52)
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If they had wanted to destroy those revetments as well as the AC parked under them,they would have just used a fuel/air explosive and been done with the.
Why should the ever want to destroy the revetments? The revetments were entirely inconsequential to the mission objective, since the revetments were absolutely no protection for the aircraft in them. Between the massive pressure wave and the lack of oxygen to breathe,they would have owned the rubble,
Why in the Hell would they want to own the rubble? Destroying the aircraft was obviously the primary objective for that target….and that was definitely accomplished. “Go to the video” to see that …
#59. To: sneakypete (#35)
Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments?
#60. To: Tooconservative (#39)
A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads.
#61. To: Gatlin (#41)
#62. To: Tooconservative (#42)
I think it penetrated the dirt roof and then blew up the concrete ceiling.
#63. To: Tooconservative (#44)
#64. To: Tooconservative (#48)
Our SDB is an especially polite weapon, chock-full of egalitarian principle.
#65. To: redleghunter (#63)
I would gather 3-5 Tomahawks were used as "drones" what we call ISR collectors for BDA. Some were the submunition variant spreading hundreds of dual purpose bomblets with smaller penetrators to damage or destroy air defense weapons.
With a near vertical angle of attack, 1000lbs of explosives, proper fuze setting and not to mention speed of the missile, the TLAM can penetrate that girly bunker. However, why do that when blast and frag gets the job done.
#66. To: redleghunter (#60)
The ATACMS missiles I worked with in OIF 1 were designed around the Tomahawk unitary warhead design. Our sole purpose in procuring the warhead for ATACMS was to get the necessary penetration for deeply buried targets.
#67. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#65)
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I saw no mention of any real air defenses at the base. No mention of the location and disposition of S-300 systems either. You would think the media would display a little curiosity as to whether our missiles avoided the S- 300's or flew right over them.
It was reported that Abdullah Hayri Torun, deputy CEO of major Turkish weapons maker Roketsan, claimed that Russia had shut down its air defense system in Syria ahead of the U.S. strike the airbase. It does seem like overkill to assign an entire Tomahawk to penetrating the roof of those hangars if all they wanted was to disable the aircraft inside.
Expending a US$1.59 million Tomahawk to destroy a Mig 23 that reportedly sold for between US$3.6 million and $6.6 million depending on the customer [why the variant is unstated] that could continue to kill hundreds of people and probably [based on past history] drop another of the “gas bombs” that left some 100 men, women, and children dead and more than 500 injured….makes one Tomahawk for one Mig 23 more than fair exchange and definitely money well spent.
I heard the Tomahawk strike destroyed 20% of the Syrian Air Force aircraft. This is unconfirmed.
It was indeed a strange sight years ago that gave me a rather eerie feeling when I would drive on the Frank Lloyd Wright Boulevard in Scottsdale and pass the end of the runway at Scottsdale Airpark where I would continually see a changing number of Migs always parked along side of the runway behind the fence just 30 yards away. The story behind the Migs in Scottsdale is here if you are interested.
#68. To: Gatlin (#67)
It was reported that Abdullah Hayri Torun, deputy CEO of major Turkish weapons maker Roketsan, claimed that Russia had shut down its air defense system in Syria ahead of the U.S. strike the airbase.
However, since the Russian ADS reportedly can detect missile fire from 400 kilometers away and then destroy the missiles when they get into range….I therefore believe the statement is true.
#69. To: Tooconservative (#53)
I don't think we have fuel-air weapons that can be mounted on cruise missiles.
#70. To: Gatlin (#58)
Why should the ever want to destroy the revetments?
#71. To: redleghunter (#59)
Depends on the warhead.
#72. To: redleghunter (#60)
The model which dispenses sub munitions also have multiple penetrators.
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