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Title: Welcome To Amerika: Family Fined, Threatened With Jail for Building a Sand Castle
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/we ... il-for-building-a-sand-castle/
Published: Apr 1, 2017
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2017-04-01 14:32:49 by Deckard
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Views: 20212
Comments: 146
Panama City Beach, FL — In the ostensible land of the Free, cops claim the legal authority to extort money from you, or even kidnap you for a slew of activities which have no victim. Window Tint, smoking a plant in you own home, not wearing your seatbelt, walking across the street, sagging your pants, and even juggling — can and will get you extorted, kidnapped, caged, or even killed. Now, as a recent case in Florida illustrates, we can add building a sand castle to that long list of victimless “crimes.” Bryant Rylee and his family were at the beach last week building an awesome sand castle when they were confronted by police. The officer, who was ‘protecting society’ by patrolling the beach for illegal sand castles, told the Rylees that their sand castle was in violation of the law. At first, Rylee thought the officer was joking. After all, he and his son were harming no one while building their most epic castle. In a Facebook post, Rylee explains that it is ‘illegal’ to build a sand castle with a hole deeper than two feet. However, he explained that their hole was only one foot deep, so there was no way it was in violation. It wasn’t the hole from which the cop was protecting society, though — it was Rylee’s son’s equipment that was criminal. According to their obscure ordinance, only plastic tools are allowed on the beach, and they had some metal ones. It is important to note that the officer explained to Rylee that she would let him off with a warning if he simply filled in the hole. But Rylee wasn’t buying it. He wanted to know what ordinance he was violating. It was Rylee’s questioning of authority which led to police escalating the call. When her authority was put into question, the officer brought in backup. Before the officer could tell Rylee which ordinance he was violating, the family was surrounded by police. In fact, four patrol units would show up and sit there for 20 minutes before any of them could produce the law which said metal beach toys were illegal. According to FEE: While Rylee, a devout Christian, says he supports law enforcement and prays “daily for their protection,” he also said on his social media account that, “I do believe that ‘we the people’ have a right to ask what ordinance number or to see the ordinance.” Rylee is absolutely correct. In the American legal system, there is a pillar of jurisprudence known as Mens rae, which is latin for “guilty mind.” The principle itself comes from the latin phrase actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, which translates to, “the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty.” This is a standard test of criminal liability that asks the state to consider whether or not a person has broken a law knowingly before guilt can even be assessed. After it was all over, as Rylee explains, the construction of a sand castle cost him $25 and could’ve cost him $500 and up to 60 days in jail. When building a sand castle becomes a criminal act, it is high time we question where this ostensible Land of the Free is headed. Bryant Rylee added 5 new photos. This is the sand castle that cost me a $25 fine & could have cost me up to $500 & no more than 60 days in jail. Incase you didn't know, at Panama City Beach you can't dig deeper than 2ft & not exceeding 2ft long on the beach & you can't use any metal tools. I've been going to PCB for spring break for over 13 yrs, we've always built things digging with metal tools. So be sure you study your ordinances before you make a trip. My big mistake was asking the ordinance number & asking to see the ordinance. Apparently the beach patrol lady didn't like that so she called for back up... That's when three other units arrived on the scene. One officer said, if I'd just cover the castle, I wouldn't get a ticket but if I must inquire or see the ordinance, I will receive a ticket. It took them 20 minutes to find the ordinance & it's not exactly the way they quoted. It said "2ft deep" but it didn't say "not more than 2ft long" & since I had dug only about 1ft deep, I was only ticketed for my metal tools. I do support law enforcement & pray daily for their protection. And I do believe that "we the people" have a right to ask what ordinance number or to see the ordinance. So... How many cops does it take to shut down a sand castle bandit & his son? The answer is 4! Be careful out there!
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#95. To: goldilucky (#83)
Which it where it should be settled.
"And yet our culture and our society and our young people have got to the point where obviously this is acceptable somewhere.” Yet you guys have wasted all these posts ranting over some crappy trench that is one foot deep on this beach instead of the rampant crime by hordes of outsiders committed every year there. People go there from around the country for the criminal mob activity, much as they once went to Mardi Gras for the same thing. What, you think I am a millennial? Wrong again. And you can't insult my own generation much more than I already do. You weren't even out of high school during WW II (unless you've been lying to us). So you were part of the So-So Generation that lost the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Stop trying to steal the glory (such as it is) of the WW II generation. You aren't one of them. You're just a wannabe.
For God's sake, don't dig a dinky hole in the sand with a metal hand shovel or Gatlin and misterwhite will be calling for your arrest and execution.
But posting an article about Justin Amash who is a libertarian and in the Freedom Caucus and is an Arab congresscritter is like winning the Triple Crown. ; )
Disturbing images come to mind about how Gatlin would celebrate.
. . . We're proud you're considering visiting the World's Most Beautiful Beaches. In order to maintain public safety during spring break, we will be STRICTLY enforcing the following ordinances. -Chief Drew Whitman Which does imply that, as a matter of policy, that the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year.
I know about Malibu "billionnaire beach" but they act like it is their property. A friend and I had been there numerous times when we would dine out by The Sandcastle Restaurant (which was bought out in 2001 by new owners) just a few yards away from Dick Clark's home. The problem is you cannot park your car on the beach. I was never impressed. I prefer Florida beaches better with all the hotels and accommodations that are supposed to accommodate visitors and not just billionnaires. You could park your car on the beach and even build sand castles without being labeled a public nuisance. And even buy an icecream from the ice cream truck that drives by. That's my definition of a real beach. Venice Beach "Muscle beach" is not so bad though. Kind of fun.
Looks like fun to me and my kind of crowd. Part of the problem is that there is entirely too much fun in this country. Too much fun? We are the country that is the most overtaxed and overworked nation than any other country in this world. We shell out much of our income taxes which go to USAID through the IRS and it goes to feed foreign countries. Betcha' didn't even know that. So when it comes to Spring Break, you damn right those kids are gonna party like there is no tomorrow and oggle gorgeous babes.
Nevertheless, if words have meaning, then the police chief was telling us that some of the listed ordinances are not enforced rigorously except during spring break with its huge crowds. Which is an entirely valid observation and counterpoint on this stupendously irrelevant non-news steaming turd of a thread.
But he never said they weren't enforced at all. Just not as rigorously. Does that make you uncomfortable? Would you rather he enforce the law rigorously year round?
There you go …. Hey, what are you doing on this thread anyway? Aren’t you the one who said:
For brevity on the agreement IRS has with USAID with regards to foreign countries may be found here https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/competent-authority-assistance https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/tax-treaties
Does that make you uncomfortable? Would you rather he enforce the law rigorously year round? Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round despite the fact that the officer who was on patrol for exactly these kinds of infractions was so unfamiliar with enforcing them that it took her and several backup units of police to finally know the correct statute number to cite if they were to write a ticket for the infraction. Which means that the cops themselves are extremely unfamiliar with writing tickets for that infraction for beach holes (which was not violated) and the "metal implement" infraction. I suppose the perp should be happy that the cops didn't just shoot his dog and his kid.
I don't even get your point. I doubt anyone else does either. It seems I've been sucked into the vortices of a Complete Bullshit Thread.
Whoa! Who? According to the article the officer said she'd let him off with a warning. That's not strict enforcement. Why would anyone think this ordinance was strictly enforced? You're just making shit up again.
And yet he never thanked the cops for not shooting his dog and his kid. What a jerk.
Maybe this thread should just be deleted as Too Silly. Reading this thread is likely to make LF readers more stupid than before they read it. It sucks your brain slowly, a Dracula of a soul-sucking thread. Delete it now. Before someone gets hurt.
Did you see Gatlin's post #71 where there does exist a public notice on that beach? The city is supposed to work with local authorities to impose such ordinances as needed on public places so as to provide legal notice to the public to avoid liability. Local authorities are not only supposed to be informed about them but also to enforce them to avoid liability not just in their official capacities but also as personal.
In #71, those were rules for an entirely different beach (as Gatlin noted). In #72, Gatlin posted some recent actual published (or posted) rules from the same Panama City beach: Keep in mind, they were trying to threaten someone with a $500 fine. But he hadn't broken that ordinance because his hole was only a 1' deep hole and the ordinance only fines those who have dug a 2' hole. So, after threatening and summoning backup units, they finally got a $25 fine out of him. That was a piss-poor use of the time of the 5 officers involved for a couple of hours. If that's all that that PD has to do with their time, they need to fire some unneeded cops.
Reading this thread is likely to make LF readers more stupid than before they read it. It sucks your brain slowly, a Dracula of a soul-sucking thread. Delete it now. Before someone gets hurt. This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made. And the good Lord knows….you have made many before. Just pray tell, specifically who is going to get hurt? Maybe only you….with your overly sensitive feelings and you may start bawling like a little baby. Crying your heart out the same way your libertarian asshole buddy, Amash, did when he missed his first vote in the House and openly cried like a wussie in front of all his fellow Congressmen. My goodness, TC, what is your generation coming to? Your weak ass generation is nothing but a bunch of whining cry babies. What are you to do … [Cue scene from the movie Top Gun here].
It's not even a contender.
From the ordinance notice….read this carefully. What is there that you don’t understand about that breaking the ordinance? And BTW, you are correct….in that Chief Drew Whitman didn’t STICTLY enforce the ordinance year round. Instead of his officer strictly following the rules year round, whereby the asshole minister would have seen that a …. The minister asshole was so lucky … You can stop with your libertarian SPIN anytime you start to feel dizzy … Wait, you libertarians are always dizzy …
It's not even a contender. Okay....so you have made more asinine posts than this.
So...you finally admit I am right. I accept your concession with all humility. Of course, this is precisely why I was always so deservedly your Literary Hero.
This is not all they needed to do. The PCB police can multi task when dealing with crime. In addition to handling this minister asshole….the PCB police arrested “hundreds” of violators. Furthermore, the number of arrests were down this year….could be for various reasons, but most probably because of the new ordinance. One would objectively think so. So, you see….that is not “all that the [PCB police] has to do with their time”….they did this and everything else they needed to do. Again, crime was down this year….GREAT JOB, PCB Police Department! But, you keep on spinning, TC….even thought it does no good.
TC ...
I don't think so. Let me check my various lists for Tooconservative: Stupid ... no ... Ignorant? ... no ... Dumb? ... no ... Ah. Here it is ... Asinine. Whoo. It's a long list. And this latest post is ranking 26. So it's far from #1. But hey. Let's give him some time. He'll get there.
Funny...Funny...
asshole buddy The most dangerous sand sculpture ever made. Neither. You slink away in shame for being a dumbshit who doesn't watch where he's going.
misterwhite always wants to sue someonme.
From what he recently posted in addition to the previous post #71, it looks like PCB Police made no exceptions to the rules especially during Spring Break. The rules stand. If you don't like those rules go to a different beach from a different county or city that is more lenient. I'd prefer to go to a different beach that is more tolerant than this. However, there has been a case where (I cannot remember where in the US) a beachgoer was digging so damn deep that the ground caved in and he fell in six feet and it took a firetruck crew, police and first responders to dig around him to get him out at he had buried himself alive. Amazingly though he survived. True story. I could be wrong but I think it occurred in Florida.
So all this fuss and this mindbogglingly stupid thread is about a guy getting a $25 ticket because his kid had a little metal hand shovel on the beach. Much ado about nothing.
The sign plainly said "no metal shovels". If the guy was using a metal shovel he already violated the ordinance regardless of whether he was digging less than 2 feet.
Well maybe this was not that story because I remember watching it on Fox 11 Los Angeles news just very recently. Maybe it occurred out there. Yep, here it is he did survive thanks the authorities and beachgoers who pitched in to save his life by digging him out. He was buried in his hole of six feet under! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...-built-sand-caved-in.html
I'm starting to wonder if even an assassination of the Queen of England would get 130 comments here on LF. I assure you: this is not national news.
Let's put it this was, the guy was lucky he was just fined $25 and nothing more.
Maybe next time, the cops will find the courage to pull out their guns and shoot these scofflaw metal shovel maniacs. I can't believe people actually care about something this dumb.
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#96. To: Gatlin (#91)
Within feet of where the [rape] attack was happening, "There's hundreds, hundreds of people standing there -- watching, looking, seeing, hearing what's going on," McKeithen said.
This is you generation, TC, not mine ...
Please don’t ever tell me again that I was wrong when I said that I lived during The Greatest Generation.
#97. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin, misterwhite, Deckard, hondo68 (#87)
I'm going to Panama City beach this summer. Going to be fun.
#98. To: Pinguinite (#80)
Hey, when it's not the Freedom Caucus, it's the Libertarians!
#99. To: Tooconservative (#98)
But posting an article about Justin Amash who is a libertarian and in the Freedom Caucus and is an Arab congresscritter is like winning the Triple Crown.
#100. To: Gatlin (#72)
(Edited)
Ah ha … The Panama City Beach Spring Break Rules Notice:
#101. To: Gatlin (#84)
#102. To: Tooconservative (#100)
"Which does imply that ... the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year."
#103. To: Gatlin (#85)
This is insane….spring break at Panama City Beach:
#104. To: misterwhite (#102)
#105. To: Tooconservative (#104)
"Nevertheless, if words have meaning, then the police chief was telling us that some of the listed ordinances are not enforced rigorously except during spring break with its huge crowds."
#106. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#100)
Which does imply that, as a matter of policy, that the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year.
Which as a matter of policy does imply, or mean, that during other times of the year there are no gang rapes, no murders, no people jumping off balconies and no folks digging 10-foot diameter holes 4-feet deep where rapes occur….so there are no violations of these ordinances to be strictly enforced. I'll let you guys obsess over this virtual non-event of a non- national news story.
#107. To: All, Gatlin (#103)
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#108. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#105)
But he never said they weren't enforced at all. Just not as rigorously.
#109. To: Gatlin (#106)
Which as a matter of policy does imply, or mean, that during other times of the year there are no gang rapes, no murders, no people jumping off balconies and no folks digging 10-foot diameter holes 4-feet deep where rapes occur….so there are no violations of these ordinances to be strictly enforced.
Hey, what are you doing on this thread anyway?
#110. To: Tooconservative (#108)
"Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round ..."
#111. To: Tooconservative (#108)
"I suppose the perp should be happy that the cops didn't just shoot his dog and his kid."
#112. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#111)
#113. To: Tooconservative (#108)
Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round despite the fact that the officer who was on patrol for exactly these kinds of infractions was so unfamiliar with enforcing them that it took her and several backup units of police to finally know the correct statute number to cite if they were to write a ticket for the infraction. Which means that the cops themselves are extremely unfamiliar with writing tickets for that infraction for beach holes (which was not violated) and the "metal implement" infraction.
#114. To: goldilucky (#113)
(Edited)
Did you see Gatlin's post #71 where there does exist a public notice on that beach?
So there is a suggestion that these rules are not strictly enforced year-round, which would explain why the patrol officer couldn't even cite the ordinance number (which is, after all, required to write a ticket). We're proud you're considering visiting the World's Most Beautiful Beaches. In order to maintain public safety during spring break, we will be STRICTLY enforcing the following ordinances. -Chief Drew Whitman
#115. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite, aA K A Stone (#112)
Maybe this thread should just be deleted as Too Silly.
#116. To: Gatlin (#115)
This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.
#117. To: Tooconservative, goldilucky (#114)
(Edited)
But he hadn't broken that ordinance …
WRONG … Metal shovels are not permitted on the beach…
The youth minister asshole had a metal shovel on the beach. Violation of these laws will result in;
… the benevolent officer kindly let Bryant Rylee off with a $25 fine and no night in the county jail, no criminal record that would follow him, and not a $500 fine or by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed 60 days.
- Arrest and at least a night in the county jail
- A criminal record that will follow you past your spring break
- Up to a
#118. To: Tooconservative (#116)
This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.
#119. To: Gatlin (#118)
#120. To: Tooconservative, goldilucky (#114)
If that's all that that PD has to do with their time, they need to fire some unneeded cops.
[No specific number has been released yet, only that generality]
#121. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#110)
You're just making shit up again.
WHAT?
#122. To: Gatlin (#115)
"This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made."
#123. To: misterwhite (#122)
#124. To: Gatlin, DANGER Will Robinson DANGER (#115)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#125. To: misterwhite (#1)
So if I run along the public beach, fall in his hole, and injure myself on a metal tool, who do I sue -- him or the city?
#126. To: Hank Rearden (#125)
#127. To: Tooconservative, Gatlin (#114)
(Edited)
In #72, Gatlin posted some recent actual published (or posted) rules from the same Panama City beach:
#128. To: goldilucky (#127)
However, there has been a case where (I cannot remember where in the US) a beachgoer was digging so damn deep that the ground caved in and he fell in six feet and it took a firetruck crew, police and first responders to dig around him to get him out at he had buried himself alive. Amazingly though he survived. True story. I could be wrong but I think it occurred in Florida
You got the story somewhat right. It was in Florida. In fact it was at this same beach, Panama City Beach. The sad part, and contrary to your story, the 17-year old kid from Oklahoma died. See My Post #90 for Details and a Picture.
#129. To: goldilucky (#127)
(Edited)
...PCB Police made no exceptions to the rules especially during Spring Break. The rules stand. If you don't like those rules go to a different beach from a different county or city that is more lenient.
But this guy in the article had not broken the hole digging ordinance because his hole was only a foot deep. The ordinance only applies if your hole is two feet deep or more.
#130. To: Tooconservative (#129)
#131. To: Gatlin (#128)
(Edited)
#132. To: goldilucky (#130)
#133. To: Tooconservative (#132)
#134. To: goldilucky (#133)
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