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Title: A major defection in the conservative blogosphere (Another nail in the coffin)
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Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com
Published: Dec 7, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-12-07 17:24:11 by Nebuchadnezzar
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A major defection in the conservative blogosphere Charles Johnson, founder of Little Green Footballs, announces a final break By Alex Koppelman For much of this decade, Charles Johnson was one of the right's leading bloggers. His blog, Little Green Footballs, was famous for its focus on Islamic terrorism, but also for the role it played in "Rathergate" and in exposing various faked photography. Lately, though, Johnson has been trending back to the left, where he was before the attacks of 9/11. He's been picking fights with some people on the right, arguing with old friends over bloggers like Robert Stacy McCain, a former Washington Times editor who he believes is a racist. On Monday, Johnson made the split official, with a post headlined, "Why I Parted Ways With The Right." In it, he gave a list of reasons for the break, including: 1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.) 2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.) 3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.) .... 6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.) 7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.) .... 10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source) Johnson concluded the post saying, "The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff. I won’t be going over the cliff with them." At this point, his former comrades in the conservative blogosphere aren't likely to be shedding any tears over his loss. But Johnson was once one of the biggest figures among them.
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Another "neo-con" who was taughted as the next, best thing to sliced bread. The Republican/Conservative movement is dead. Killed by the neo-cons. Nationalism boys is the way to you. There is still time to jump on the caboose before it leaves the station.
Ha! God Bless Pat Buchanan!
There is still time to jump on the caboose before it leaves the station. Thank GOD it will never catch on in these US. Nor most likely will it elsewhere. The electorate, as ignorant as they may be on some things, are smart enough and individualistic enough to recognize and find the rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful. I just wish Mr. Johnson at LGF would have toned down his own nationalistic rhetoric and undying support for useless foreign wars for the past 8 damn years sooner
Nick Griffin is a patriot, unlike our "internationalist" leaders here in the US and in the UK.
Salon?? Bwaahaaa! Who will you cite next? HuffPoon.com?
Why do you have such a Jones for this Nick Griffin guy? Something you're not telling us?
There's No Other Place Like This Place Anywhere Near This Place. So This Must Be The Place . . .
Correct. I went over there to read some comment on articles. Bushbots gone wild. Muslims are now hip. Pro-Choice. Nationalists are Nazis. The Swiss are "intolerant". http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5040 ">Little Green Bushbots
Horsesh#t. He took lead of the BNP in 1995, cleaned it up a bit, softened the rhetoric to make it 'comfortable' for Labour, and ran with it. I mean you could tell us the origins of the BNP or perhaps what Mr. Griffin denied happened for so many years but then again that wouldn't be 'softening' the rhetoric would it? Nick Griffin is nothing more than a racist thug in a suit playing on the heartstrings of a public who longs for days gone by (nothing wrong with that of course) without letting on what the BNP is really about.
Mr.Johnson, nationalist rhetoric? Are you joking me? He is just towing the line of the Establishment, the Global Order of Globalist Multiculturalist Anti White Banker Oligarchs. That same order that stood for the illegal and unconstitutional wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is now attacking Nick Griffin. You cannot seem to connect the dots. The lackeys crying racism through the press are lock step behind the current Global order I mentioned above, they are tools, like you. Racism is merely a word to demonize Patriots like Nick who are standing up for the sovereignty and preservation of his people and nation in the face of global tyranny. Individualism taking to Randian extremes like it is in corporate America is what has contributed to the economic collapse. All Multinational corporations who shipped millions of jobs overseas after lobbying for free trade cared about was making a couple more buck on the bottom line for themselves, they were willing to sell their american workers and America down the river. Now we have rampant inflation, record levels of private debt and a 400 billion dollar trade deficit because of their individualism. Irresponsible disregard for one's nation is not a kind of individualism we should be practicing.
This loser was never a conservative. What he was was a terrified leftie who was looking for somebody to protect him and who was smart enough to know the left was useless when it comes to national defense. Unfortunately for him,he thinks anybody to the right of Bloomberg is a Nazi.
You must be one of the One-Worlder group that loved Boy Jorge and loves Bubba Barry. Unless we all want to live in a slightly upscale 3rd world police state,we had all better push nationalism. BTW,nationalism is being a America Firster,not being a national socialist. Boy Jorge,Bubba Bill Clinton,and Bubba Barry Soetoro and the rest of the New World Order bunch are closer to being national socialists than they are nationalists. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were nationalists.
BTW,the US is the only country with a Bill of Rights that protects the rights of the individual citizens against abuse by an overbearing government. If we become a part of the New World Order we lose our status as a sovereign nation,and we lose the Bill of Rights. Are you REALLY prepared to live in a country with no legal restraints on the power of the govenrment?
Who will you cite next? HuffPoon.com? He didn't write the article and he never said he agreed with it. He posted it so we would be aware of it and able to discuss it. Knowing what your enemy is saying and doing is smart.
Unfortunately for him,he thinks anybody to the right of Bloomberg is a Nazi. You could have fooled me. Since 2003 "conservatives" quoted this guy and told people to always go to his website. Now he's "uncool" because he's fallen out of line. More evidence that "conservatism" is "kaput."
While I freely admit that I don't speak for all or even most conservatives,I am a conservative,and I had never heard of this guy before today.
Nope have no use for Junior or the the current moron. Really haven't had a President in the 20th century that was worth a can of warm p#ss (except perhaps Reagan and not for what he did but what he advocated on the stump while running in 79-80). we had all better push nationalism. No problem with some level of pride in one's nation. But you really need to look into the history of the BNP and Nick Griffin before you advocate what that racist is pushing and the rest of the New World Order bunch are closer to being national socialists Which goes to show you don't know what Nick is pushing. He's to the left of Labour (Labour is where most of the votes came from last time if you didn't know) and he advocates nationalisation of private industry. Doesn't sound very 'capitalistic' to me... May also want to give another one of Daniel Hannan's old columns a read to learn a bit more about the BNP.. There's nothing Right-wing about the BNP As Hayek wrote in 1944 in his brilliant chapter on “the socialist roots of Nazism”, the dispute between fascists and socialists is a dispute between brothers. Labour and the BNP are, in a sense, competing for the same sort of voter: one who believes in the power of the state. The one kind of voter whom both fascists and socialists regard as beyond persuasion is the small-government Tory. to give workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes Hope you like your commune comrade....
So Charles Johnson and LGF have finally got it knocked into their thick skulls that the Right is full of shit. Geez, next thing you know, Jim Robinson over at Free Republic will give all that scammed money back to his marks and start living in the refrigerator box where he belongs down by the river.
What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina? Only some of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded.
Wow giving the worker a say, horrendous. Protecting British businesses, horrendous. Buying out foreign companies and selling them to british businessmen,, just god awful. I mean, if Von Mises doesn't like it, It can't be good. God forbid they lower the trade deficit, keep money in the country, protect wages, and protect british companies. A government that actually works in the favor of the people they reprsent and protects industry that strengthens the country; can't have that. As to taxes, what you are stating is an all out lie. They actually support raising the inheritance tax threshold to 1 million pounds and cutting council tax. And as to talk about nationalization, would you prefer we have private utilities? Because the California Edison Crisis was a real great example of private markets running a public utility. You are right on one thing though, they aren't Capitalists, and you act as though it should bother me.
Tea parties aka being pissed off at taxes.....not falling for junk fake "science" covering for the real purpose of globalist government yada yada..... Yes of course....those ideas certainly sound kooky and dangerous. You ought to stick to slobbering over playgirl pics of Levi whateverhisnameis and hilariously quoting "palins father" in your never satiated PDS rants.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Me either.....the little time I have to waste is spent on LP or now here.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
The only thing I am advocating is American nationalism. I don't give a rabid rats ass what the British or anyone else does as long as it doesn't affect America. My prime concern is preserving a sovereign America and the US Constitution. What the British and others do is their business and their problem or salvation,depending on your viewpoint.
You got that right. Who the hell do you think you are that you have a right to think for yourself,sum kinda radical 'murikan?
you owe me a new keyboard pete...lol
By WHOM?? Never heard of the guy. The Republican/Conservative movement is dead. Killed by the neo-cons. Nonsense. What's "dead" is the growth of the Neocon faction who are RINO-globalist vampires. They'd hijacked the Republican Party long enough before finally getting exposed; Conservatives - though they may be Republican - now appear to be gaining momentum and knocking the neos/RINOs out of the leadership positions in the GOP.
Is it "racist" to recognize recent immigrant races not only do not wish to be integrated culturally within a host country, but are given a free pass TO themselves BE "racist," parasites, and demand special rights from their host country?
To Losertarians, Races, Cultures, and nations don't exist, only "individuals". NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.
Griffin is a mixed bag...But he does recognize Britain's culture is backed against the wall and it's identity about to be stolen. To his credit he's called attention to the hypocrisy of "Special Rights" based on race, sexual orientation, and color, and outright rejects parasitic Third World immigration and "multi-culturism." The troubling; It's been reported he's praised the Waffen SS while assailing the Royal Air Force for its bombing of Nazi Germany, accusing its airmen as "murderers." Would you consider the crew of the 'Enola Gay' "murderers"?
You may be right; What say you, Nighttrain?
I would. There were military targets we could have gone after but we chose to hit civilian areas to send a message. I think that message could have been sent with atomic strikes on military targets. I would consider the Dresden Bombers Murderers as well. There was no military significance to that target, they just destroyed an old historic city and killed a lot of innocents. My position is, I understand there are innocent bystanders that die in the crossfire, however, deliberate targetting of civilians and civilian structures is unacceptable.
The mean longing for the "days gone by" before the Immigration Act of 1965 and its tsunami of Third Worlders, "multiculturalism" and affirmative-action, aka reverse-discrimination, and making a mockery of common sense and America's traditions and culture is...BAD??
The BNP is growing and gaining popularity. They will take seats in Westminster next election. The British People are marching on to take their country back, just like the Swiss did by cutting immigration and banning minarets. Hopefully America will take note as well.
Then you are an idiot. Dresden was a major communications center for the Nazis. It also contained over 100 factories that produced Hitler's war materiel and was the primary junction for three separate railways transporting troops and materiel. http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/dresden.htm If you can't post intelligently, please just shut up and go back to Facebook.
What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina? Only some of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded.
Geez, someone had some piss in their cheerios this morning. The fact is, there were no significant military targets in Dresden, and they certainly weren't targetting military, because the barracks north of the city still stands today. Even the USAF admits military bases were not targets in a 1953 report. Over 90% of the city was destroyed, they targeted civilian areas. They didn't just attack factories and railroads.
I would. There were military targets we could have gone after but we chose to hit civilian areas to send a message. I think that message could have been sent with atomic strikes on military targets. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong. Winning the war against Japan depended on BREAKING the spirit and will of their civilian population to fight; DECISIVELY. Not by bombing plane factories, landing strips, and supply lines. And anyway, you have NO evidence even had your suggestion of bombing military targets been the case, Japan would have surrendered. The populace of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were at least warned. TWICE. UNLIKE those Americans at Pearl Harbor. I would consider the Dresden Bombers Murderers as well. There was no military significance to that target, they just destroyed an old historic city and killed a lot of innocents. My position is, I understand there are innocent bystanders that die in the crossfire, however, deliberate targetting of civilians and civilian structures is unacceptable. Easy to second-guess the mission 65 years later after a desperate Britain had almost been brought to its knees, but TOO MANY innocents were casualties of WWII. What's "unacceptable" is fighting a war half-assed.
Unfortunately for him,he thinks anybody to the right of Bloomberg is a Nazi. Yep. Suddenly this guy turned left on a dime? I don't think so.
Knowing what your enemy is saying and doing is smart. I realize he was the author... The problem with this poster as indicated from the threads he's sponsored lately and comments is everyone from Jesus Christ to Satan is considered his "enemy." Neb imo is a Statist.
No, he's "uncool" because he can no longer keep his cover as a center-left political opportunist.
That's an acceptable assessment. ;-)
Well contrary to Thor's vision of England, the UK is not being overrun with minarets or Muslims. Least it wasn't last year. Mind you there were a few streets that catered to Middle Eastern peoples but you aren't tripping over crazed Muslims bowing in the streets either. Quit reading the damn Daily Mail for your news.. as long as there were "free markets and free people" Have something against people being free do you? Money is all that matters to him and his ilk. Contrary to your slur that isn't the only thing that matters to me. History matters as well. And the monarchy. Something the BNP is against. But hey don't listen to me, have a look at ol' Nick's own words.... What the jury did not hear (some of the best below) ON RACE “Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create “Black Britons”, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land” And from the head of their publicity arm.... ON THE ROYAL FAMILY “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”(hmmmmmm....wonder which 'Germans' he would recommend...) ON AIDS A “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.” ON JEWS “There’s not a European country the Jews haven’t been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.” ON ADOLF HITLER “Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will.” The problem with the BNP is as I stated. They pander to a generation that remembers a kinder gentler time. They then find a group to blame it on. In the case of the BNP it's anybody that's not white. I'll not claim the UK has a problem with immigration. And Labour hasn't helped it a bit. But to claim the BNP is the solution is ignorant, racist, and wrongheaded. And to enter it into the US politics would be just as big a mistake
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? The link I posted was produced a hell of a lot later than 1953, and Dresden had a hell of a lot of military value as well as being a major transportation hub. Not every factory producing war materiel was conveniently placed out by itself in the countryside with a big swastika on the roof. Just like the Japanese, the Germans produced war materiel in cottages and plain old private residences (Google the Doolittle Raid) as well as big ol' Oskar Schindler-class factory complexes.
What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina? Only some of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded.
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#2. To: All (#0)
1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)
#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)
Nationalism boys is the way to you.
#4. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)
Thank GOD it will never catch on in these US. Nor most likely will it elsewhere. The electorate, as ignorant as they may be on some things, are smart enough and individualistic enough to recognize and find the rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful.
#5. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
http://www.salon.com
#6. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4)
#7. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4)
Nick Griffin is a patriot, unlike our "internationalist" leaders here in the US and in the UK.
#8. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4)
Nick Griffin is a patriot, unlike our "internationalist" leaders here in the US and in the UK.
#9. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)
#10. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
#11. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)
Thank GOD it will never catch on in these US. Nor most likely will it elsewhere.
#12. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)
Thank GOD it will never catch on in these US. Nor most likely will it elsewhere.
#13. To: Liberator (#5)
Salon?? Bwaahaaa!
#14. To: sneakypete (#10)
This loser was never a conservative. What he was was a terrified leftie who was looking for somebody to protect him and who was smart enough to know the left was useless when it comes to national defense.
#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#14)
You could have fooled me. Since 2003 "conservatives" quoted this guy and told people to always go to his website.
#16. To: sneakypete (#11)
You must be one of the One-Worlder group that loved Boy Jorge and loves Bubba Barry.
The BNP doesn’t call itself Right-wing, of course. It favours nationalisation, higher taxes, protectionism and (though it keeps quiet about this) republicanism. It markets itself as “the Labour Party your parents voted for”. Its manifesto calls for “the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports,” and promises to “restore our economy and land to British ownership” and “to give workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes”.
Get that did you?
#17. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
#18. To: nighttrain2008 (#16)
#19. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#14)
6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)
#20. To: sneakypete (#15)
,I am a conservative,and I had never heard of this guy before today.
#21. To: nighttrain2008 (#16)
No problem with some level of pride in one's nation. But you really need to look into the history of the BNP and Nick Griffin before you advocate what that racist is pushing
#22. To: e_type_jag, Nebuchadnezzar (#19)
Yes of course....those ideas certainly sound kooky and dangerous.
#23. To: sneakypete (#22)
You got that right. Who the hell do you think you are that you have a right to think for yourself,sum kinda radical 'murikan?
#24. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)
Another "neo-con" who was taughted as the next, best thing to sliced bread.
#25. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)
rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful.
#26. To: Liberator (#25)
#27. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4)
Nick Griffin is a patriot, unlike our "internationalist" leaders here in the US and in the UK.
#28. To: Thor, nighttrain2008 (#26)
NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.
#29. To: Liberator (#27)
Would you consider the crew of the 'Enola Gay' "murderers"?
#30. To: nighttrain2008 (#8)
Nick Griffin is nothing more than a racist thug in a suit playing on the heartstrings of a public who longs for days gone by (nothing wrong with that of course)
#31. To: nighttrain2008 (#16)
#32. To: Thor (#29)
I would consider the Dresden Bombers Murderers as well. There was no military significance to that target
#33. To: Racism_Boot (#32)
#34. To: Thor (#29)
Would you consider the crew of the 'Enola Gay' "murderers"?
#35. To: sneakypete (#10)
This loser was never a conservative. What he was was a terrified leftie who was looking for somebody to protect him and who was smart enough to know the left was useless when it comes to national defense.
#36. To: sneakypete, Nebuchadnezzar (#13)
He didn't write the article and he never said he agreed with it. He posted it so we would be aware of it and able to discuss it.
#37. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#14)
Now he's "uncool" because he's fallen out of line.
#38. To: e_type_jag, Nebuchadnezzar (#19)
You ought to stick to slobbering over playgirl pics of Levi whateverhisnameis and hilariously quoting "palins father" in your never satiated PDS rants.
#39. To: Liberator, Thor (#28)
NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim
ON THE HOLOCAUST “The ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria”
Here's a nice cover of some of the leaders, current and former, of the BNP (click on their pics and it will tell you some 'fun' facts...)
#40. To: Thor (#33)
The fact is, there were no significant military targets in Dresden, and they certainly weren't targetting military, because the barracks north of the city still stands today. Even the USAF admits military bases were not targets in a 1953 report. Over 90% of the city was destroyed, they targeted civilian areas. They didn't just attack factories and railroads.
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