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Title: A major defection in the conservative blogosphere (Another nail in the coffin)
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Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com
Published: Dec 7, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-12-07 17:24:11 by Nebuchadnezzar
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Views: 31259
Comments: 72
A major defection in the conservative blogosphere Charles Johnson, founder of Little Green Footballs, announces a final break By Alex Koppelman For much of this decade, Charles Johnson was one of the right's leading bloggers. His blog, Little Green Footballs, was famous for its focus on Islamic terrorism, but also for the role it played in "Rathergate" and in exposing various faked photography. Lately, though, Johnson has been trending back to the left, where he was before the attacks of 9/11. He's been picking fights with some people on the right, arguing with old friends over bloggers like Robert Stacy McCain, a former Washington Times editor who he believes is a racist. On Monday, Johnson made the split official, with a post headlined, "Why I Parted Ways With The Right." In it, he gave a list of reasons for the break, including: 1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.) 2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.) 3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.) .... 6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.) 7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.) .... 10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source) Johnson concluded the post saying, "The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff. I won’t be going over the cliff with them." At this point, his former comrades in the conservative blogosphere aren't likely to be shedding any tears over his loss. But Johnson was once one of the biggest figures among them.
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Another "neo-con" who was taughted as the next, best thing to sliced bread. The Republican/Conservative movement is dead. Killed by the neo-cons. Nationalism boys is the way to you. There is still time to jump on the caboose before it leaves the station.
There is still time to jump on the caboose before it leaves the station. Thank GOD it will never catch on in these US. Nor most likely will it elsewhere. The electorate, as ignorant as they may be on some things, are smart enough and individualistic enough to recognize and find the rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful. I just wish Mr. Johnson at LGF would have toned down his own nationalistic rhetoric and undying support for useless foreign wars for the past 8 damn years sooner
Is it "racist" to recognize recent immigrant races not only do not wish to be integrated culturally within a host country, but are given a free pass TO themselves BE "racist," parasites, and demand special rights from their host country?
To Losertarians, Races, Cultures, and nations don't exist, only "individuals". NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.
You may be right; What say you, Nighttrain?
Well contrary to Thor's vision of England, the UK is not being overrun with minarets or Muslims. Least it wasn't last year. Mind you there were a few streets that catered to Middle Eastern peoples but you aren't tripping over crazed Muslims bowing in the streets either. Quit reading the damn Daily Mail for your news.. as long as there were "free markets and free people" Have something against people being free do you? Money is all that matters to him and his ilk. Contrary to your slur that isn't the only thing that matters to me. History matters as well. And the monarchy. Something the BNP is against. But hey don't listen to me, have a look at ol' Nick's own words.... What the jury did not hear (some of the best below) ON RACE “Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create “Black Britons”, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land” And from the head of their publicity arm.... ON THE ROYAL FAMILY “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”(hmmmmmm....wonder which 'Germans' he would recommend...) ON AIDS A “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.” ON JEWS “There’s not a European country the Jews haven’t been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.” ON ADOLF HITLER “Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will.” The problem with the BNP is as I stated. They pander to a generation that remembers a kinder gentler time. They then find a group to blame it on. In the case of the BNP it's anybody that's not white. I'll not claim the UK has a problem with immigration. And Labour hasn't helped it a bit. But to claim the BNP is the solution is ignorant, racist, and wrongheaded. And to enter it into the US politics would be just as big a mistake
What is a black british person. If I moved to Nigeria, would I be considered a white Nigerian? There is no such thing “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.” Haha. Good, I would support getting rid of the Queen. She is useless, she just represents an old order that needs to be cast away. when has this queen ever stood up for the British people. She didn't stand up when hundreds of thousands of brits lost their manufacturing jobs through free trade. She didn't stand up and demand a crackdown on illegal immigrants and bogus asylum seekers who commit high rates of crime and abuse public services. She didn't stand against the two illegal and unjust globalist wars. Good, she and her family can vanish for all I care. And are you denying blacks, gays, and heroin users don't have higher AIDs rates. Because that is a fact. deal with it.
Great, next you'll be telling us there's no such thing as black Americans. If you are born within a nation, or you join that nation, that is your nationality. Nationality, contrary to Gruppenfuhrer Thor, has nothing to do with race If I moved to Nigeria, would I be considered a white Nigerian? There is no such thing Right....just like there are no white Zimbabweans either.... Haha. Good, I would support getting rid of the Queen. She is useless, she just represents an old order that needs to be cast away. In the kindest and most simplest terms I can put this....F#ck you. Her Majesty and the Crown have been there at times in British history when they were most needed. As a point to rally around during the darkest times of war, during economic hardships, during times of national sorrow. Political f#ckwits who spend taxpayer dollars faster than they can come in come and go. I'm quite sure Nick would be more than happy to get his hands in the pot Labour have been stealing from to pay for houses, moats, and f#cking duck islands and call it democracy. Granted I hold not much hope if Charles comes to power but William will be a good King and will remind the people of the importance of the monarchy. Hopefully by then Labour will be on the outs for a long time and the left wing BNP will be a distant memory. How's that .02% of the vote coming for you...LOL And tell Nick Griffin next time you write him a fawning letter, he can take his Cromwellian republicanism and shove it straight up his backside. Also of note you can't refute one single act, statement, or relationship the BBC has reported on surrounding the BNP. Nothing more than a pack of skinheads in suits.
Last I checked, blacks, came her eon the first boats before America existed, they were here at the creation of America and are Americans. There are blacks with British citizenship, but they aren't british, british is an ethnicity and identity meant for the people of the British Isles. I wouldn't be as presumptuous to say I am Chinese if I moved ot china and had a kid there, that is stripping away Chinese culture and ethnicity. I ma have a Chinese passport and be a Citizen of China, but I am not Chinese. Wow, I hit a soft spot with the resident libertarian, I thought you believed in a Republic, not a monarchy. I guess that means you would have been a Tory/Loyalist. There is no such thing as a White Zimbabwean, there is such thing as a White Rhodesian. Whites created a built Rhodesia and I know Rhodesians, they consider themselves Rhodesian.
Ah Gruppenfuhrer, so silly and so simple. By that concept the only 'Americans' are Native Americans (Indians). So we're interlopers. Tell us, where are you going to go since you're not an ethnic American. they were here at the creation of America and are Americans. LOL, so someone's ethnicity is based on when the nation was created?!? Hell by that standard all of Europe (including the Southern half of the UK) is Roman!! I must say I'd like to see your family tree. The most ardent racists usually have an indiscretion somewhere far in the past they didn't know about. Leading to the question, are you a ethnic person of your nation? Wow, I hit a soft spot with the resident libertarian, I thought you believed in a Republic, not a monarchy. I guess that means you would have been a Tory/Loyalist. Um no. See I have traced most of my direct heritage back to the 1500s on both sides (except the Cherokee in me, oops should you be talking to me?!? I'm not 'pure'....). My family on both sides fought on the American side in the American War of Independence. However, after watching the former colonies devolve to the point they have, it may have been better to stay with the Empire. I am libertarian, but I also recognize some of the benefits inherent within a good constitutional monarchy. Also adds a little class, something that is definitely lacking in other nations here is no such thing as a White Zimbabwean, there is such thing as a White Rhodesian. Whites created a built Rhodesia and I know Rhodesians, they consider themselves Rhodesian. Semantics. BTW, found a nice black British person running for MP of Hammersmith & Shepard's Bush. Shaun Bailey, a strong voice for Hammersmith & Shepard's Bush Send him a little money for the campaign won't you? Looks like a stand up guy and has some good ideas.
No, North American Indians aren't Americans, as they never created a nation called America, white and black people did. They were nomads on the North american continent, but never created an american nation. Well, historically speaking, there wasn't a Kingdom of England until King Alfred in the late 800s. But the fact of the matter is geneitcally speaking the vast majority of british people are part of the same Y DNA haplogroup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgqjLMESS78 I doubt there is Cherokee in you, a lot of people say that with no actual evidence. If there is, good for you, you are North american Indian, I don't care. Wow at least you admitted you are a tory. Everyoen take not, this guy thinks America shouldn't exist. That is a Libertarian for you.
Yes but they did create nations of their own didn't they? You're on their land (well partially mine) so guess it better give it back to us. Where did you say you were moving again? Munich? But the fact of the matter is geneitcally speaking the vast majority of british people are part of the same Y DNA haplogroup Well if you want to be 'technical' about it, everyone came from the same group of people. Even science, not to mention the Holy Scriptures, state this. Better go hug a 'blackie' there Gruppenfuhrer!! Hmmmmm....Nick's all white BNP in a bit of a fix there..... I doubt there is Cherokee in you, a lot of people say that with no actual evidence. If there is, good for you, you are North american Indian, I don't care. No see I do. I have Cherokee (4 generations back), Scotch (12 gen), Irish (12 gen), French (approx 15 gen), English (12 gen) and Swiss (15 gen) ancestors. I'm proud of all my heritage (unlike you I imagine when you find out....oops don't want to spoil it for you....LOL). My ancestors (who weren't already there...) came to the North American continent while yours were...well we don't know what they were doing cause you haven't told us. Tell us again about your ancestry....bet it was just so lily white... Wow at least you admitted you are a tory. Everyoen take not, this guy thinks America shouldn't exist. Didn't say that did I? I said based on the past 200 years, along with the introduction of popular vote for everything in the past 100 years, the 'great experiment' has failed. Least I can spell for God's sake.
They didn't create an American nation, the United States of America, like we did. The word nation didn't enter their vocabulary till we came around. They started calling themselves the Sioux and Cherokee nation when they were on American land for legal purposes. But they didn't have borders, written language or law, or permanent settlements(they were nomads) for thousands of years. Sorry, I don't believe in Fairy Tales, the Bible clearly isn't a scientific authority. Well, by your logic, all mammals come from small rodents during the age of the dinosaurs, so all mammals are the same. Your angle is to eliminate nation hood and ethnic identity, saying we are all mixed because it serves your political genda. But the fact is, it isn't true. You are just ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of brits are descended from the first peoples who came to England 15,000-6000 years ago. There has been little admixture, thus your claim that England has always been multiracial or multiethnnic and multicultural just has no scientific basis. You agenda of saying Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nigerians are just the same is absurd. I honestly don't care that you are a Indian, the fact you are non white couldn't matter less to me. That fact that you are a douchebag who said America shouldn't exist bothers me
Horsesh#t. They acted as nations, had territories, and even had treaties. Just because they didn't use the exact words doesn't mean the concept didn't apply. But they didn't have borders, written language or law, or permanent settlements(they were nomads) for thousands of years. Jesus, the absolute arrogance that unless they were Westernized they are somehow lesser than you. Carry on Gruppenfuhrer, dig a little deeper. I'd hate to point out facts that some of the greatest scientific advancements in history came from non-whites. Or that some concepts of government and law came from non-whites Sorry, I don't believe in Fairy Tales, the Bible clearly isn't a scientific authority. Oh good, an atheist to boot. I tell you just learning all sorts of good bits about you. Well then you'll take the scientific origins then will you? The BBC ran an excellent documentary awhile back about how man spread from Africa and nearby tens upon tens of thousands of years ago. This is scientific fact. OMG, we're from Africa!!! That would make you....uh,oh.... Your angle is to eliminate nation hood and ethnic identity, saying we are all mixed because it serves your political genda. Junior you don't know squat about my 'political agenda'. It's not a one world government I'll tell you that. You are just ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of brits are descended from the first peoples who came to England 15,000-6000 years ago. There has been little admixture, thus your claim that England has always been multiracial or multiethnnic and multicultural just has no scientific basis. You agenda of saying Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nigerians are just the same is absurd. Ummm....if we all came from the same place, the most logical conclusion is that we are all of the same peoples if you go back far enough. Course this is just science, not Herr Goering running around the world looking for 'artifacts' to come up with some nonsensical myth.... I honestly don't care that you are a Indian, the fact you are non white couldn't matter less to me. Oh goodie!!! The fact that I admitted having Cherokee in me from 4 generations ago makes me a non-white!! Well except in the eyes of the government but hey we can change that can't we? Nuremburg laws anyone? Course you've yet to enlighten us to your heritage as you sit there with sweaty palms wondering if your 7 time great grandfather may have done it with one of 'them' and you don't know about it...tsk, tsk, tsk, what would Nick think about you..... That fact that you are a douchebag who said America shouldn't exist bothers me A) Douchebag? Seriously Gruppenfuhrer, I'm not the racist in this conversation. I hate to break it to you but 99.99999% of the population sees your sort as a pack of uneducated ignorant slackjawed trailer trash. B) As for America not existing, never said it wouldn't did I? Never said I didn't want it to either. I stated the current form of government held up by completely popular vote doesn't work. Maybe why the Framers didn't establish it that way. Or didn't you know that.....facts are in one of them thick things with pages? Oh sorry probably don't have a library do you...oh wait, it's one of those things you hold open your trailer door with....
How's those casinos coming along? BTW, the Celts were in North America first. When do I get to open a casino?
OMG, when you said that I nearly spit my drink on the computer monitor.
White European Settlers moving their way across the great plains smashing past murdering Indian luddites.
My posts speak for themselves. Nick Griffin and his racist undertones speak for volumes. His past actions and associations speak for themselves as well. Contrary to your hopes and dreams the neo-nazi/white nationalism movement is dead and buried. You go do your little raise ups in the middle of Idaho I could give a sh#t less. I post more to refute your ignorance in the hope that someone reading this sees what a racist Griffin and you two are. I really feel pity for you. You have the right to your views but thankfully no one, or very very few, believes or supports them. You can't refute the posts and now have devolved to one liners and pictures. You can't refute Mr. Griffin's criminal past either. Done with you both.
Nighttrain at the Anti BNP demonstrations.
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#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)
Nationalism boys is the way to you.
#25. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)
rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful.
#26. To: Liberator (#25)
#28. To: Thor, nighttrain2008 (#26)
NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.
#39. To: Liberator, Thor (#28)
NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim
ON THE HOLOCAUST “The ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria”
Here's a nice cover of some of the leaders, current and former, of the BNP (click on their pics and it will tell you some 'fun' facts...)
#48. To: nighttrain2008 (#39)
#49. To: Thor (#48)
What is a black british person
#50. To: nighttrain2008 (#49)
#51. To: Thor (#50)
There are blacks with British citizenship, but they aren't british, british is an ethnicity and identity meant for the people of the British Isles.
#52. To: nighttrain2008 (#51)
#53. To: Thor (#52)
No, North American Indians aren't Americans, as they never created a nation called America, white and black people did. They were nomads on the North american continent, but never created an american nation
#54. To: nighttrain2008 (#53)
#55. To: Thor (#54)
They didn't create an American nation, the United States of America, like we did. The word nation didn't enter their vocabulary till we came around. They started calling themselves the Sioux and Cherokee nation when they were on American land for legal purposes
#60. To: nighttrain2008 (#55)
#61. To: Moderate Mammal, nighttrain2008 (#60)
How's those casinos coming along?
#63. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#61)
#65. To: Thor, Nebuchadnezzar (#63)
#70. To: nighttrain2008 (#65)
criminal past
#71. To: Moderate Mammal (#70)
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