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Title: A major defection in the conservative blogosphere (Another nail in the coffin)
Source: Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com
Published: Dec 7, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-12-07 17:24:11 by Nebuchadnezzar
Keywords: None
Views: 31278
Comments: 72

A major defection in the conservative blogosphere Charles Johnson, founder of Little Green Footballs, announces a final break By Alex Koppelman

For much of this decade, Charles Johnson was one of the right's leading bloggers. His blog, Little Green Footballs, was famous for its focus on Islamic terrorism, but also for the role it played in "Rathergate" and in exposing various faked photography.

Lately, though, Johnson has been trending back to the left, where he was before the attacks of 9/11. He's been picking fights with some people on the right, arguing with old friends over bloggers like Robert Stacy McCain, a former Washington Times editor who he believes is a racist.

On Monday, Johnson made the split official, with a post headlined, "Why I Parted Ways With The Right." In it, he gave a list of reasons for the break, including:

1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)

2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)

3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.) ....

6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)

7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.) ....

10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)

Johnson concluded the post saying, "The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff. I won’t be going over the cliff with them."

At this point, his former comrades in the conservative blogosphere aren't likely to be shedding any tears over his loss. But Johnson was once one of the biggest figures among them.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Another "neo-con" who was taughted as the next, best thing to sliced bread.

The Republican/Conservative movement is dead. Killed by the neo-cons.

Nationalism boys is the way to you.

There is still time to jump on the caboose before it leaves the station.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-07   17:25:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

Nationalism boys is the way to you.

There is still time to jump on the caboose before it leaves the station.

Thank GOD it will never catch on in these US. Nor most likely will it elsewhere. The electorate, as ignorant as they may be on some things, are smart enough and individualistic enough to recognize and find the rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful.

I just wish Mr. Johnson at LGF would have toned down his own nationalistic rhetoric and undying support for useless foreign wars for the past 8 damn years sooner

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-07   17:45:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)

rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful.

Is it "racist" to recognize recent immigrant races not only do not wish to be integrated culturally within a host country, but are given a free pass TO themselves BE "racist," parasites, and demand special rights from their host country?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-07   22:57:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Liberator (#25)

To Losertarians, Races, Cultures, and nations don't exist, only "individuals". NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.

Thor  posted on  2009-12-07   23:06:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Thor, nighttrain2008 (#26)

NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.

You may be right; What say you, Nighttrain?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-07   23:10:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator, Thor (#28)

NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim

Well contrary to Thor's vision of England, the UK is not being overrun with minarets or Muslims. Least it wasn't last year. Mind you there were a few streets that catered to Middle Eastern peoples but you aren't tripping over crazed Muslims bowing in the streets either. Quit reading the damn Daily Mail for your news..

as long as there were "free markets and free people"

Have something against people being free do you?

Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.

Contrary to your slur that isn't the only thing that matters to me. History matters as well. And the monarchy. Something the BNP is against.

But hey don't listen to me, have a look at ol' Nick's own words....

What the jury did not hear (some of the best below)

ON THE HOLOCAUST “The ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria”

ON RACE “Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create “Black Britons”, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land

And from the head of their publicity arm....

ON THE ROYAL FAMILY “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”(hmmmmmm....wonder which 'Germans' he would recommend...)

ON AIDS A “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.”

ON JEWS “There’s not a European country the Jews haven’t been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.”

ON ADOLF HITLER “Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will.”

Here's a nice cover of some of the leaders, current and former, of the BNP (click on their pics and it will tell you some 'fun' facts...)

BNP, under the skin

The problem with the BNP is as I stated. They pander to a generation that remembers a kinder gentler time. They then find a group to blame it on. In the case of the BNP it's anybody that's not white. I'll not claim the UK has a problem with immigration. And Labour hasn't helped it a bit. But to claim the BNP is the solution is ignorant, racist, and wrongheaded. And to enter it into the US politics would be just as big a mistake

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-07   23:44:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: nighttrain2008 (#39)

What is a black british person. If I moved to Nigeria, would I be considered a white Nigerian? There is no such thing

“The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”

Haha. Good, I would support getting rid of the Queen. She is useless, she just represents an old order that needs to be cast away. when has this queen ever stood up for the British people. She didn't stand up when hundreds of thousands of brits lost their manufacturing jobs through free trade. She didn't stand up and demand a crackdown on illegal immigrants and bogus asylum seekers who commit high rates of crime and abuse public services. She didn't stand against the two illegal and unjust globalist wars. Good, she and her family can vanish for all I care.

And are you denying blacks, gays, and heroin users don't have higher AIDs rates. Because that is a fact. deal with it.

Thor  posted on  2009-12-08   23:09:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Thor (#48)

What is a black british person

Great, next you'll be telling us there's no such thing as black Americans. If you are born within a nation, or you join that nation, that is your nationality. Nationality, contrary to Gruppenfuhrer Thor, has nothing to do with race

If I moved to Nigeria, would I be considered a white Nigerian? There is no such thing

Right....just like there are no white Zimbabweans either....

Haha. Good, I would support getting rid of the Queen. She is useless, she just represents an old order that needs to be cast away.

In the kindest and most simplest terms I can put this....F#ck you. Her Majesty and the Crown have been there at times in British history when they were most needed. As a point to rally around during the darkest times of war, during economic hardships, during times of national sorrow. Political f#ckwits who spend taxpayer dollars faster than they can come in come and go. I'm quite sure Nick would be more than happy to get his hands in the pot Labour have been stealing from to pay for houses, moats, and f#cking duck islands and call it democracy.

Granted I hold not much hope if Charles comes to power but William will be a good King and will remind the people of the importance of the monarchy. Hopefully by then Labour will be on the outs for a long time and the left wing BNP will be a distant memory. How's that .02% of the vote coming for you...LOL

And tell Nick Griffin next time you write him a fawning letter, he can take his Cromwellian republicanism and shove it straight up his backside.

Also of note you can't refute one single act, statement, or relationship the BBC has reported on surrounding the BNP. Nothing more than a pack of skinheads in suits.

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-09   0:02:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: nighttrain2008 (#49)

Last I checked, blacks, came her eon the first boats before America existed, they were here at the creation of America and are Americans.

There are blacks with British citizenship, but they aren't british, british is an ethnicity and identity meant for the people of the British Isles. I wouldn't be as presumptuous to say I am Chinese if I moved ot china and had a kid there, that is stripping away Chinese culture and ethnicity. I ma have a Chinese passport and be a Citizen of China, but I am not Chinese.

Wow, I hit a soft spot with the resident libertarian, I thought you believed in a Republic, not a monarchy. I guess that means you would have been a Tory/Loyalist.

There is no such thing as a White Zimbabwean, there is such thing as a White Rhodesian. Whites created a built Rhodesia and I know Rhodesians, they consider themselves Rhodesian.

Thor  posted on  2009-12-09   0:09:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Thor (#50)

There are blacks with British citizenship, but they aren't british, british is an ethnicity and identity meant for the people of the British Isles.

Ah Gruppenfuhrer, so silly and so simple. By that concept the only 'Americans' are Native Americans (Indians). So we're interlopers. Tell us, where are you going to go since you're not an ethnic American.

they were here at the creation of America and are Americans.

LOL, so someone's ethnicity is based on when the nation was created?!? Hell by that standard all of Europe (including the Southern half of the UK) is Roman!!

I must say I'd like to see your family tree. The most ardent racists usually have an indiscretion somewhere far in the past they didn't know about. Leading to the question, are you a ethnic person of your nation?

Wow, I hit a soft spot with the resident libertarian, I thought you believed in a Republic, not a monarchy. I guess that means you would have been a Tory/Loyalist.

Um no. See I have traced most of my direct heritage back to the 1500s on both sides (except the Cherokee in me, oops should you be talking to me?!? I'm not 'pure'....).

My family on both sides fought on the American side in the American War of Independence. However, after watching the former colonies devolve to the point they have, it may have been better to stay with the Empire. I am libertarian, but I also recognize some of the benefits inherent within a good constitutional monarchy. Also adds a little class, something that is definitely lacking in other nations

here is no such thing as a White Zimbabwean, there is such thing as a White Rhodesian. Whites created a built Rhodesia and I know Rhodesians, they consider themselves Rhodesian.

Semantics. BTW, found a nice black British person running for MP of Hammersmith & Shepard's Bush.

Shaun Bailey, a strong voice for Hammersmith & Shepard's Bush

Send him a little money for the campaign won't you? Looks like a stand up guy and has some good ideas.

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-10   11:56:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nighttrain2008 (#51)

No, North American Indians aren't Americans, as they never created a nation called America, white and black people did. They were nomads on the North american continent, but never created an american nation.

Well, historically speaking, there wasn't a Kingdom of England until King Alfred in the late 800s. But the fact of the matter is geneitcally speaking the vast majority of british people are part of the same Y DNA haplogroup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgqjLMESS78

I doubt there is Cherokee in you, a lot of people say that with no actual evidence. If there is, good for you, you are North american Indian, I don't care.

Wow at least you admitted you are a tory. Everyoen take not, this guy thinks America shouldn't exist. That is a Libertarian for you.

Thor  posted on  2009-12-10   12:10:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Thor (#52)

No, North American Indians aren't Americans, as they never created a nation called America, white and black people did. They were nomads on the North american continent, but never created an american nation

Yes but they did create nations of their own didn't they? You're on their land (well partially mine) so guess it better give it back to us. Where did you say you were moving again? Munich?

But the fact of the matter is geneitcally speaking the vast majority of british people are part of the same Y DNA haplogroup

Well if you want to be 'technical' about it, everyone came from the same group of people. Even science, not to mention the Holy Scriptures, state this. Better go hug a 'blackie' there Gruppenfuhrer!! Hmmmmm....Nick's all white BNP in a bit of a fix there.....

I doubt there is Cherokee in you, a lot of people say that with no actual evidence. If there is, good for you, you are North american Indian, I don't care.

No see I do. I have Cherokee (4 generations back), Scotch (12 gen), Irish (12 gen), French (approx 15 gen), English (12 gen) and Swiss (15 gen) ancestors. I'm proud of all my heritage (unlike you I imagine when you find out....oops don't want to spoil it for you....LOL). My ancestors (who weren't already there...) came to the North American continent while yours were...well we don't know what they were doing cause you haven't told us. Tell us again about your ancestry....bet it was just so lily white...

Wow at least you admitted you are a tory. Everyoen take not, this guy thinks America shouldn't exist.

Didn't say that did I? I said based on the past 200 years, along with the introduction of popular vote for everything in the past 100 years, the 'great experiment' has failed. Least I can spell for God's sake.

nighttrain2008  posted on  2009-12-10   13:58:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#54. To: nighttrain2008 (#53)

They didn't create an American nation, the United States of America, like we did. The word nation didn't enter their vocabulary till we came around. They started calling themselves the Sioux and Cherokee nation when they were on American land for legal purposes. But they didn't have borders, written language or law, or permanent settlements(they were nomads) for thousands of years.

Sorry, I don't believe in Fairy Tales, the Bible clearly isn't a scientific authority. Well, by your logic, all mammals come from small rodents during the age of the dinosaurs, so all mammals are the same. Your angle is to eliminate nation hood and ethnic identity, saying we are all mixed because it serves your political genda. But the fact is, it isn't true. You are just ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of brits are descended from the first peoples who came to England 15,000-6000 years ago. There has been little admixture, thus your claim that England has always been multiracial or multiethnnic and multicultural just has no scientific basis. You agenda of saying Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nigerians are just the same is absurd.

I honestly don't care that you are a Indian, the fact you are non white couldn't matter less to me. That fact that you are a douchebag who said America shouldn't exist bothers me

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