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Title: A major defection in the conservative blogosphere (Another nail in the coffin)
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Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com
Published: Dec 7, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-12-07 17:24:11 by Nebuchadnezzar
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Comments: 72
A major defection in the conservative blogosphere Charles Johnson, founder of Little Green Footballs, announces a final break By Alex Koppelman For much of this decade, Charles Johnson was one of the right's leading bloggers. His blog, Little Green Footballs, was famous for its focus on Islamic terrorism, but also for the role it played in "Rathergate" and in exposing various faked photography. Lately, though, Johnson has been trending back to the left, where he was before the attacks of 9/11. He's been picking fights with some people on the right, arguing with old friends over bloggers like Robert Stacy McCain, a former Washington Times editor who he believes is a racist. On Monday, Johnson made the split official, with a post headlined, "Why I Parted Ways With The Right." In it, he gave a list of reasons for the break, including: 1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.) 2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.) 3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.) .... 6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.) 7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.) .... 10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source) Johnson concluded the post saying, "The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff. I won’t be going over the cliff with them." At this point, his former comrades in the conservative blogosphere aren't likely to be shedding any tears over his loss. But Johnson was once one of the biggest figures among them.
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#18. To: nighttrain2008 (#16)
Wow giving the worker a say, horrendous. Protecting British businesses, horrendous. Buying out foreign companies and selling them to british businessmen,, just god awful. I mean, if Von Mises doesn't like it, It can't be good. God forbid they lower the trade deficit, keep money in the country, protect wages, and protect british companies. A government that actually works in the favor of the people they reprsent and protects industry that strengthens the country; can't have that. As to taxes, what you are stating is an all out lie. They actually support raising the inheritance tax threshold to 1 million pounds and cutting council tax. And as to talk about nationalization, would you prefer we have private utilities? Because the California Edison Crisis was a real great example of private markets running a public utility. You are right on one thing though, they aren't Capitalists, and you act as though it should bother me.
Tea parties aka being pissed off at taxes.....not falling for junk fake "science" covering for the real purpose of globalist government yada yada..... Yes of course....those ideas certainly sound kooky and dangerous. You ought to stick to slobbering over playgirl pics of Levi whateverhisnameis and hilariously quoting "palins father" in your never satiated PDS rants.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Me either.....the little time I have to waste is spent on LP or now here.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
The only thing I am advocating is American nationalism. I don't give a rabid rats ass what the British or anyone else does as long as it doesn't affect America. My prime concern is preserving a sovereign America and the US Constitution. What the British and others do is their business and their problem or salvation,depending on your viewpoint.
You got that right. Who the hell do you think you are that you have a right to think for yourself,sum kinda radical 'murikan?
you owe me a new keyboard pete...lol
By WHOM?? Never heard of the guy. The Republican/Conservative movement is dead. Killed by the neo-cons. Nonsense. What's "dead" is the growth of the Neocon faction who are RINO-globalist vampires. They'd hijacked the Republican Party long enough before finally getting exposed; Conservatives - though they may be Republican - now appear to be gaining momentum and knocking the neos/RINOs out of the leadership positions in the GOP.
Is it "racist" to recognize recent immigrant races not only do not wish to be integrated culturally within a host country, but are given a free pass TO themselves BE "racist," parasites, and demand special rights from their host country?
To Losertarians, Races, Cultures, and nations don't exist, only "individuals". NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.
Griffin is a mixed bag...But he does recognize Britain's culture is backed against the wall and it's identity about to be stolen. To his credit he's called attention to the hypocrisy of "Special Rights" based on race, sexual orientation, and color, and outright rejects parasitic Third World immigration and "multi-culturism." The troubling; It's been reported he's praised the Waffen SS while assailing the Royal Air Force for its bombing of Nazi Germany, accusing its airmen as "murderers." Would you consider the crew of the 'Enola Gay' "murderers"?
You may be right; What say you, Nighttrain?
I would. There were military targets we could have gone after but we chose to hit civilian areas to send a message. I think that message could have been sent with atomic strikes on military targets. I would consider the Dresden Bombers Murderers as well. There was no military significance to that target, they just destroyed an old historic city and killed a lot of innocents. My position is, I understand there are innocent bystanders that die in the crossfire, however, deliberate targetting of civilians and civilian structures is unacceptable.
The mean longing for the "days gone by" before the Immigration Act of 1965 and its tsunami of Third Worlders, "multiculturalism" and affirmative-action, aka reverse-discrimination, and making a mockery of common sense and America's traditions and culture is...BAD??
The BNP is growing and gaining popularity. They will take seats in Westminster next election. The British People are marching on to take their country back, just like the Swiss did by cutting immigration and banning minarets. Hopefully America will take note as well.
Then you are an idiot. Dresden was a major communications center for the Nazis. It also contained over 100 factories that produced Hitler's war materiel and was the primary junction for three separate railways transporting troops and materiel. http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/dresden.htm If you can't post intelligently, please just shut up and go back to Facebook.
What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina? Only some of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded.
Geez, someone had some piss in their cheerios this morning. The fact is, there were no significant military targets in Dresden, and they certainly weren't targetting military, because the barracks north of the city still stands today. Even the USAF admits military bases were not targets in a 1953 report. Over 90% of the city was destroyed, they targeted civilian areas. They didn't just attack factories and railroads.
I would. There were military targets we could have gone after but we chose to hit civilian areas to send a message. I think that message could have been sent with atomic strikes on military targets. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong. Winning the war against Japan depended on BREAKING the spirit and will of their civilian population to fight; DECISIVELY. Not by bombing plane factories, landing strips, and supply lines. And anyway, you have NO evidence even had your suggestion of bombing military targets been the case, Japan would have surrendered. The populace of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were at least warned. TWICE. UNLIKE those Americans at Pearl Harbor. I would consider the Dresden Bombers Murderers as well. There was no military significance to that target, they just destroyed an old historic city and killed a lot of innocents. My position is, I understand there are innocent bystanders that die in the crossfire, however, deliberate targetting of civilians and civilian structures is unacceptable. Easy to second-guess the mission 65 years later after a desperate Britain had almost been brought to its knees, but TOO MANY innocents were casualties of WWII. What's "unacceptable" is fighting a war half-assed.
Unfortunately for him,he thinks anybody to the right of Bloomberg is a Nazi. Yep. Suddenly this guy turned left on a dime? I don't think so.
Knowing what your enemy is saying and doing is smart. I realize he was the author... The problem with this poster as indicated from the threads he's sponsored lately and comments is everyone from Jesus Christ to Satan is considered his "enemy." Neb imo is a Statist.
No, he's "uncool" because he can no longer keep his cover as a center-left political opportunist.
That's an acceptable assessment. ;-)
Well contrary to Thor's vision of England, the UK is not being overrun with minarets or Muslims. Least it wasn't last year. Mind you there were a few streets that catered to Middle Eastern peoples but you aren't tripping over crazed Muslims bowing in the streets either. Quit reading the damn Daily Mail for your news.. as long as there were "free markets and free people" Have something against people being free do you? Money is all that matters to him and his ilk. Contrary to your slur that isn't the only thing that matters to me. History matters as well. And the monarchy. Something the BNP is against. But hey don't listen to me, have a look at ol' Nick's own words.... What the jury did not hear (some of the best below) ON RACE “Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create “Black Britons”, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land” And from the head of their publicity arm.... ON THE ROYAL FAMILY “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”(hmmmmmm....wonder which 'Germans' he would recommend...) ON AIDS A “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.” ON JEWS “There’s not a European country the Jews haven’t been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.” ON ADOLF HITLER “Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will.” The problem with the BNP is as I stated. They pander to a generation that remembers a kinder gentler time. They then find a group to blame it on. In the case of the BNP it's anybody that's not white. I'll not claim the UK has a problem with immigration. And Labour hasn't helped it a bit. But to claim the BNP is the solution is ignorant, racist, and wrongheaded. And to enter it into the US politics would be just as big a mistake
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? The link I posted was produced a hell of a lot later than 1953, and Dresden had a hell of a lot of military value as well as being a major transportation hub. Not every factory producing war materiel was conveniently placed out by itself in the countryside with a big swastika on the roof. Just like the Japanese, the Germans produced war materiel in cottages and plain old private residences (Google the Doolittle Raid) as well as big ol' Oskar Schindler-class factory complexes.
What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina? Only some of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded.
http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/dresden.htm If you can't post intelligently, please just shut up and go back to Facebook. If anyone lacks the ability to post intelligently, it is your "Racism_boot". You're the past, we're the future. Get over it.
What a tool. He chooses an obviously biased site as his source. What a stupid tool. What, you're 12 or 13 right?
By the way I agree with you on the legitimacy of targeting Dresden and Japan too for that matter. Have a good evening.
Does the author consider the BNP neocons? Jobbiks too?
Another pretend conservative out of the closet. Good.
"We" who? Got a mouse in your pocket?
What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and other parts of her body? Only some of the things that don't come out of her mouth are retarded.
What a stupid tool. What, you're 12 or 13 right? Sorry you didn't like my source. For extra credit, let's watch Neb try to trash and/or impugn these sources as well because they make his little fists ball up and make him urinate in his chair: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm In February of 1945, with the Russian army threatening the heart of Saxony, I was called upon to attack Dresden; this was considered a target of the first importance for the offensive on the Eastern front. Dresden had by this time become the main centre of communications for the defence of Germany on the southern half of the Eastern front and it was considered that a heavy air attack would disorganise these communications and also make Dresden useless as a controlling centre for the defence. It was also by far the largest city in Germany - the pre-war population was 630,000 - which had been left intact; it had never before been bombed. As a large centre of war industry it was also of the highest importance. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/heroesvillains/g1/cs1/default.htm Dresden was an old city and had hardly been touched by air raids. For the most part, it was undefended, with no anti-aircraft guns. In early 1945, German troops were moving through Dresden. This may have been to fight the advancing Soviet Army or to reinforce fighting elsewhere. Dresden was a key transport junction. To Churchill and his war cabinet, this made Dresden a strategic target. Bombing the city might halt the flow of German troops and speed the advance of the Soviet army into Germany. Bombing Dresden might help the Russian war effort. ... The decision was made at a time when Britain had suffered the Blitz, as well as random bombarding by German rockets, and when Hitler had devastated cities such as Warsaw. British leaders also knew about the Nazi treatment of Jewish people in the concentration camps. Guess what, campers? War sucks. Don't want your cities bombed? Then don't bomb ours. And you used the word "tool" twice, Neb. You're repeating yourself. Running out of feces to fling, punk?
What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and other parts of her body? Only some of the things that don't come out of her mouth are retarded.
What is a black british person. If I moved to Nigeria, would I be considered a white Nigerian? There is no such thing “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.” Haha. Good, I would support getting rid of the Queen. She is useless, she just represents an old order that needs to be cast away. when has this queen ever stood up for the British people. She didn't stand up when hundreds of thousands of brits lost their manufacturing jobs through free trade. She didn't stand up and demand a crackdown on illegal immigrants and bogus asylum seekers who commit high rates of crime and abuse public services. She didn't stand against the two illegal and unjust globalist wars. Good, she and her family can vanish for all I care. And are you denying blacks, gays, and heroin users don't have higher AIDs rates. Because that is a fact. deal with it.
Great, next you'll be telling us there's no such thing as black Americans. If you are born within a nation, or you join that nation, that is your nationality. Nationality, contrary to Gruppenfuhrer Thor, has nothing to do with race If I moved to Nigeria, would I be considered a white Nigerian? There is no such thing Right....just like there are no white Zimbabweans either.... Haha. Good, I would support getting rid of the Queen. She is useless, she just represents an old order that needs to be cast away. In the kindest and most simplest terms I can put this....F#ck you. Her Majesty and the Crown have been there at times in British history when they were most needed. As a point to rally around during the darkest times of war, during economic hardships, during times of national sorrow. Political f#ckwits who spend taxpayer dollars faster than they can come in come and go. I'm quite sure Nick would be more than happy to get his hands in the pot Labour have been stealing from to pay for houses, moats, and f#cking duck islands and call it democracy. Granted I hold not much hope if Charles comes to power but William will be a good King and will remind the people of the importance of the monarchy. Hopefully by then Labour will be on the outs for a long time and the left wing BNP will be a distant memory. How's that .02% of the vote coming for you...LOL And tell Nick Griffin next time you write him a fawning letter, he can take his Cromwellian republicanism and shove it straight up his backside. Also of note you can't refute one single act, statement, or relationship the BBC has reported on surrounding the BNP. Nothing more than a pack of skinheads in suits.
Last I checked, blacks, came her eon the first boats before America existed, they were here at the creation of America and are Americans. There are blacks with British citizenship, but they aren't british, british is an ethnicity and identity meant for the people of the British Isles. I wouldn't be as presumptuous to say I am Chinese if I moved ot china and had a kid there, that is stripping away Chinese culture and ethnicity. I ma have a Chinese passport and be a Citizen of China, but I am not Chinese. Wow, I hit a soft spot with the resident libertarian, I thought you believed in a Republic, not a monarchy. I guess that means you would have been a Tory/Loyalist. There is no such thing as a White Zimbabwean, there is such thing as a White Rhodesian. Whites created a built Rhodesia and I know Rhodesians, they consider themselves Rhodesian.
Ah Gruppenfuhrer, so silly and so simple. By that concept the only 'Americans' are Native Americans (Indians). So we're interlopers. Tell us, where are you going to go since you're not an ethnic American. they were here at the creation of America and are Americans. LOL, so someone's ethnicity is based on when the nation was created?!? Hell by that standard all of Europe (including the Southern half of the UK) is Roman!! I must say I'd like to see your family tree. The most ardent racists usually have an indiscretion somewhere far in the past they didn't know about. Leading to the question, are you a ethnic person of your nation? Wow, I hit a soft spot with the resident libertarian, I thought you believed in a Republic, not a monarchy. I guess that means you would have been a Tory/Loyalist. Um no. See I have traced most of my direct heritage back to the 1500s on both sides (except the Cherokee in me, oops should you be talking to me?!? I'm not 'pure'....). My family on both sides fought on the American side in the American War of Independence. However, after watching the former colonies devolve to the point they have, it may have been better to stay with the Empire. I am libertarian, but I also recognize some of the benefits inherent within a good constitutional monarchy. Also adds a little class, something that is definitely lacking in other nations here is no such thing as a White Zimbabwean, there is such thing as a White Rhodesian. Whites created a built Rhodesia and I know Rhodesians, they consider themselves Rhodesian. Semantics. BTW, found a nice black British person running for MP of Hammersmith & Shepard's Bush. Shaun Bailey, a strong voice for Hammersmith & Shepard's Bush Send him a little money for the campaign won't you? Looks like a stand up guy and has some good ideas.
No, North American Indians aren't Americans, as they never created a nation called America, white and black people did. They were nomads on the North american continent, but never created an american nation. Well, historically speaking, there wasn't a Kingdom of England until King Alfred in the late 800s. But the fact of the matter is geneitcally speaking the vast majority of british people are part of the same Y DNA haplogroup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgqjLMESS78 I doubt there is Cherokee in you, a lot of people say that with no actual evidence. If there is, good for you, you are North american Indian, I don't care. Wow at least you admitted you are a tory. Everyoen take not, this guy thinks America shouldn't exist. That is a Libertarian for you.
Yes but they did create nations of their own didn't they? You're on their land (well partially mine) so guess it better give it back to us. Where did you say you were moving again? Munich? But the fact of the matter is geneitcally speaking the vast majority of british people are part of the same Y DNA haplogroup Well if you want to be 'technical' about it, everyone came from the same group of people. Even science, not to mention the Holy Scriptures, state this. Better go hug a 'blackie' there Gruppenfuhrer!! Hmmmmm....Nick's all white BNP in a bit of a fix there..... I doubt there is Cherokee in you, a lot of people say that with no actual evidence. If there is, good for you, you are North american Indian, I don't care. No see I do. I have Cherokee (4 generations back), Scotch (12 gen), Irish (12 gen), French (approx 15 gen), English (12 gen) and Swiss (15 gen) ancestors. I'm proud of all my heritage (unlike you I imagine when you find out....oops don't want to spoil it for you....LOL). My ancestors (who weren't already there...) came to the North American continent while yours were...well we don't know what they were doing cause you haven't told us. Tell us again about your ancestry....bet it was just so lily white... Wow at least you admitted you are a tory. Everyoen take not, this guy thinks America shouldn't exist. Didn't say that did I? I said based on the past 200 years, along with the introduction of popular vote for everything in the past 100 years, the 'great experiment' has failed. Least I can spell for God's sake.
They didn't create an American nation, the United States of America, like we did. The word nation didn't enter their vocabulary till we came around. They started calling themselves the Sioux and Cherokee nation when they were on American land for legal purposes. But they didn't have borders, written language or law, or permanent settlements(they were nomads) for thousands of years. Sorry, I don't believe in Fairy Tales, the Bible clearly isn't a scientific authority. Well, by your logic, all mammals come from small rodents during the age of the dinosaurs, so all mammals are the same. Your angle is to eliminate nation hood and ethnic identity, saying we are all mixed because it serves your political genda. But the fact is, it isn't true. You are just ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of brits are descended from the first peoples who came to England 15,000-6000 years ago. There has been little admixture, thus your claim that England has always been multiracial or multiethnnic and multicultural just has no scientific basis. You agenda of saying Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nigerians are just the same is absurd. I honestly don't care that you are a Indian, the fact you are non white couldn't matter less to me. That fact that you are a douchebag who said America shouldn't exist bothers me
Horsesh#t. They acted as nations, had territories, and even had treaties. Just because they didn't use the exact words doesn't mean the concept didn't apply. But they didn't have borders, written language or law, or permanent settlements(they were nomads) for thousands of years. Jesus, the absolute arrogance that unless they were Westernized they are somehow lesser than you. Carry on Gruppenfuhrer, dig a little deeper. I'd hate to point out facts that some of the greatest scientific advancements in history came from non-whites. Or that some concepts of government and law came from non-whites Sorry, I don't believe in Fairy Tales, the Bible clearly isn't a scientific authority. Oh good, an atheist to boot. I tell you just learning all sorts of good bits about you. Well then you'll take the scientific origins then will you? The BBC ran an excellent documentary awhile back about how man spread from Africa and nearby tens upon tens of thousands of years ago. This is scientific fact. OMG, we're from Africa!!! That would make you....uh,oh.... Your angle is to eliminate nation hood and ethnic identity, saying we are all mixed because it serves your political genda. Junior you don't know squat about my 'political agenda'. It's not a one world government I'll tell you that. You are just ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of brits are descended from the first peoples who came to England 15,000-6000 years ago. There has been little admixture, thus your claim that England has always been multiracial or multiethnnic and multicultural just has no scientific basis. You agenda of saying Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nigerians are just the same is absurd. Ummm....if we all came from the same place, the most logical conclusion is that we are all of the same peoples if you go back far enough. Course this is just science, not Herr Goering running around the world looking for 'artifacts' to come up with some nonsensical myth.... I honestly don't care that you are a Indian, the fact you are non white couldn't matter less to me. Oh goodie!!! The fact that I admitted having Cherokee in me from 4 generations ago makes me a non-white!! Well except in the eyes of the government but hey we can change that can't we? Nuremburg laws anyone? Course you've yet to enlighten us to your heritage as you sit there with sweaty palms wondering if your 7 time great grandfather may have done it with one of 'them' and you don't know about it...tsk, tsk, tsk, what would Nick think about you..... That fact that you are a douchebag who said America shouldn't exist bothers me A) Douchebag? Seriously Gruppenfuhrer, I'm not the racist in this conversation. I hate to break it to you but 99.99999% of the population sees your sort as a pack of uneducated ignorant slackjawed trailer trash. B) As for America not existing, never said it wouldn't did I? Never said I didn't want it to either. I stated the current form of government held up by completely popular vote doesn't work. Maybe why the Framers didn't establish it that way. Or didn't you know that.....facts are in one of them thick things with pages? Oh sorry probably don't have a library do you...oh wait, it's one of those things you hold open your trailer door with....
Good. Conservatism is dead, betrayed by Gingrich, Kemp, Bennett, Dole and Bush I and II. What we have now is liberal/capitalist/socialism. Calling yourself a "Conservative" is foolish. You guys and your "conservatism" are like those Japanese soldiers who fought on and on long after WW2 was over.
ON THE HOLOCAUST “The ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria” ON RACE “Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create “Black Britons”, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land” And from the head of their publicity arm.... ON THE ROYAL FAMILY “The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”(hmmmmmm....wonder which 'Germans' he would recommend...) ON AIDS A “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.” ON JEWS “There’s not a European country the Jews haven’t been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.” ON ADOLF HITLER “Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will.” Here's a nice cover of some of the leaders, current and former, of the BNP (click on their pics and it will tell you some 'fun' facts...) Irrelevant. The BNP isn't one man, just as the GOP or Dems aren't one person. GOP Senator Craig solicits sex from men in bathrooms, thus do we dismiss all the GOP based upon his activities? Of course not. You are so sad Nighttrain. You can't refute the ideas of the BNP so you try to discredit nationalism in toto by attacking one man. I also notice when you disagree with a person and can't refute their arguments, you stoop to personal attacks (calling Thor a "Gruppenfurher" is unacceptable). I can assure you, while I'm not a Brit, I am an American, I am also part Jew and find the ideas of the BNP to be acceptable. Are you part Jew?
They can't be a "nation" Nighttrain, they were, when the Europeans came to America, in 1492, the indians were still stuck in the stone age. They were about 5,000 years behind the Europeans. There was no metallurgy in North America when the Europeans came to America. THEY WERE STUCK IN THE STONE AGE. They were nothing more than tribes, not "nations". Many of these "tribes" didn't even have recognized boundaries at they were nomadic, some of them were cannibalistic. Your ignorance of the American Indian is appalling. Nation's only come about sometime about, I can't remember the exact date, 1400AD. Bascially, Thor owned you easily due to your lack of education of the American Indian. Now, go put some ice on that before it swells up.
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#19. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#14)
6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)
#20. To: sneakypete (#15)
,I am a conservative,and I had never heard of this guy before today.
#21. To: nighttrain2008 (#16)
No problem with some level of pride in one's nation. But you really need to look into the history of the BNP and Nick Griffin before you advocate what that racist is pushing
#22. To: e_type_jag, Nebuchadnezzar (#19)
Yes of course....those ideas certainly sound kooky and dangerous.
#23. To: sneakypete (#22)
You got that right. Who the hell do you think you are that you have a right to think for yourself,sum kinda radical 'murikan?
#24. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)
Another "neo-con" who was taughted as the next, best thing to sliced bread.
#25. To: nighttrain2008 (#3)
rhetoric being spouted by racists like Nick Griffin distasteful.
#26. To: Liberator (#25)
#27. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4)
Nick Griffin is a patriot, unlike our "internationalist" leaders here in the US and in the UK.
#28. To: Thor, nighttrain2008 (#26)
NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim and covered by minarets as long as there were "free markets and free people" and CEO earnings were at record highs. Money is all that matters to him and his ilk.
#29. To: Liberator (#27)
Would you consider the crew of the 'Enola Gay' "murderers"?
#30. To: nighttrain2008 (#8)
Nick Griffin is nothing more than a racist thug in a suit playing on the heartstrings of a public who longs for days gone by (nothing wrong with that of course)
#31. To: nighttrain2008 (#16)
#32. To: Thor (#29)
I would consider the Dresden Bombers Murderers as well. There was no military significance to that target
#33. To: Racism_Boot (#32)
#34. To: Thor (#29)
Would you consider the crew of the 'Enola Gay' "murderers"?
#35. To: sneakypete (#10)
This loser was never a conservative. What he was was a terrified leftie who was looking for somebody to protect him and who was smart enough to know the left was useless when it comes to national defense.
#36. To: sneakypete, Nebuchadnezzar (#13)
He didn't write the article and he never said he agreed with it. He posted it so we would be aware of it and able to discuss it.
#37. To: Nebuchadnezzar, sneakypete (#14)
Now he's "uncool" because he's fallen out of line.
#38. To: e_type_jag, Nebuchadnezzar (#19)
You ought to stick to slobbering over playgirl pics of Levi whateverhisnameis and hilariously quoting "palins father" in your never satiated PDS rants.
#39. To: Liberator, Thor (#28)
NightTrain wouldn't care if England became majority Pakistani Muslim
ON THE HOLOCAUST “The ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria”
Here's a nice cover of some of the leaders, current and former, of the BNP (click on their pics and it will tell you some 'fun' facts...)
#40. To: Thor (#33)
The fact is, there were no significant military targets in Dresden, and they certainly weren't targetting military, because the barracks north of the city still stands today. Even the USAF admits military bases were not targets in a 1953 report. Over 90% of the city was destroyed, they targeted civilian areas. They didn't just attack factories and railroads.
#41. To: Racism_Boot (#32)
Then you are an idiot. Dresden was a major communications center for the Nazis. It also contained over 100 factories that produced Hitler's war materiel and was the primary junction for three separate railways transporting troops and materiel.
#42. To: Racism_Boot, Thor (#32)
http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/dresden.htm
#43. To: Racism_Boot (#40)
#44. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
#45. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
#46. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#41)
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You're the past, we're the future.
#47. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#42)
(Edited)
What a tool. He chooses an obviously biased site as his source.
#48. To: nighttrain2008 (#39)
#49. To: Thor (#48)
What is a black british person
#50. To: nighttrain2008 (#49)
#51. To: Thor (#50)
There are blacks with British citizenship, but they aren't british, british is an ethnicity and identity meant for the people of the British Isles.
#52. To: nighttrain2008 (#51)
#53. To: Thor (#52)
No, North American Indians aren't Americans, as they never created a nation called America, white and black people did. They were nomads on the North american continent, but never created an american nation
#54. To: nighttrain2008 (#53)
#55. To: Thor (#54)
They didn't create an American nation, the United States of America, like we did. The word nation didn't enter their vocabulary till we came around. They started calling themselves the Sioux and Cherokee nation when they were on American land for legal purposes
#56. To: We The People (#45)
Another pretend conservative out of the closet.
#57. To: nighttrain2008 (#39)
What the jury did not hear (some of the best below)
#58. To: nighttrain2008 (#55)
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Horsesh#t. They acted as nations, had territories, and even had treaties. Just because they didn't use the exact words doesn't mean the concept didn't apply.
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