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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In politics and politicians See other politics and politicians Articles Title: Rep. Adam Kinzinger: Freedom Caucus hampering GOP’s ability to govern Source: The washington Times URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news ... -freedom-caucus-hampering-gop/ Published: Mar 27, 2017 Author: Seth McLaughlin Post Date: 2017-03-27 15:48:01 by Gatlin Keywords: None Views: 723 Comments: 12 Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Monday the House Freedom Caucus is torpedoing the GOP’s ability to govern, and said the party should look to work with Democrats to get things done on Capitol Hill. Mr. Kinzinger said the debate over health care showed that the House GOP is better off building a center-right coalition than trying to wooing “the so-called Freedom Caucus,” whose members, he said, typically are “never, ever, ever going to get to ‘yes.’” “They have been in existence for about three years and every time they have tried to come to the table they consistently move the goal post and they did that on President Trump,” Mr. Kinzinger said on MSNBC’s “Live with Stephanie Ruhle.” “So I think we have two options,” he said. “Either they are going to have to see the light and understand that governing is a little different than being in the opposition or we have to reach out to Democrats because the country needs governing. It doesn’t need more of the status quo.” Mr. Kinzinger said he hopes there can be a bipartisan consensus on tax reform and infrastructure. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: All (#0) Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Monday the House Freedom Caucus is torpedoing the GOP’s ability to govern ... Kinzinger nailed it ... Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-27   15:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Gatlin (#0) Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Monday the House Freedom Caucus is torpedoing the GOP’s ability to govern, and said the party should look to work with Democrats to get things done on Capitol Hill. Kinzinger is always ready to work with Dems. That's because he's a liberal RINO type. And he is a NeverTrumper. On August 3, 2016, Kinzinger announced publicly that he would not support GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump. "I'm an American before I'm a Republican," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, adding that "I'm a Republican because I believe that Republicanism is the best way to defend the United States of America… [Trump] throws all of these Republican principles on their head." Kinzinger noted, however, that he also would not support Democratic Party presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and was mulling other options. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-27   16:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Gatlin (#0) The Republican Party is the electoral majority. They cannot be stopped if they move together. So, instead of the Freedom Caucus moving to the Left, how about the whole Republican Party moving to the Right to meet the Freedom Caucus instead? Then there will be unity. If the Republicans won't do that, the Democrats will be happy to take back over, and they move in unison. The GOP dodged a bullet with Trump, because the Democrats ran Hillary. But if the GOP fails - and if they don't move Right they will fail because they won't have the votes - then the Democrats will roar back in. The people don't really want Democrat socialism. They'd prefer a more Republican, right wing form of national structure. But if the Republicans won't provide the goods from the right, then the people will go with the Left. There is no universe in which the grandees of the Republican Party actually get their way for the long term. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-27   16:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) There is no universe in which the grandees of the Republican Party actually get their way for the long term. Sometimes I think they fear the responsibility and that they like to lose and only want to win occasionally so they can try to cut taxes, mostly for the very rich. It's the thing I dislike most about them (a close second being their eagerness for war). I can put up with the rest but their overweening obsession with those two topics makes me doubt their sincerity about anything else. As, for instance, with their meltdown at the Freedom Caucus just because the Freedom Caucus want to actually repeal 0bamaCare as the GOP has campaigned relentlessly to do for the last six years. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-27   16:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Tooconservative (#4) Yep. The GOP campaigned to repeal ObamaCare, but steadfastly refused to propose anything to replace it. And in the end, they got nothing. We need French health care in the US. Not Canadian, with communized doctors. Not English, with the lack of choice. Not German, which pushes everybody into HMOs. French. The French have universal, cradle-to-grave, coverage of everybody, for everything. Everybody is automatically insured. Employers have nothing to do with it. The state pays for 80% of the costs of most things, and 100% of the coverage of catastrophic things (like cancer and heart attacks). The 20% difference is so that hypochondriacs about little things bear a burden. The 100% for the catastrophic stuff is because deathly ill people cannot work, and should be focused on healing, not paying for health care. Health care for everybody is properly handled by the state, on a not-for-profit insurance basis. The 20% uncovered can be covered by private insurance, but the private insurance should be completely not-for-profit mutual insurance. Medical school should be paid for by the government, with payback being the requirement to work in public hospitals and clinics for five years after graduation. Pricing of health care should be done by the government. Private health care providers should be allowed to charge what they please, with payment by the public system, but doctors who choose to charge above the government rates should have a special higher income tax rate on the fees that they charge above the government rates, aimed at recouping the extra costs to the state of the higher private fees. Medical malpractice should be tried by expert courts, with a schedule of awards that is based on the cost of the procedure and the actual harm done, with some amount for pain and suffering, but no casino-justice $100 million payouts. Doctors in the United States earn double what they do in France, and they NEED to, because of the cost of medical school and malpractice insurance and maintaining huge billing departments. There are no lines for French medical care, you choose your doctor, you pay him, the state gives you 80% of that back. You know what it will cost beforehand, because the costs are all scheduled. It is very predictable, and very good medicine. French health care covers everybody as well as US health care does, for only 60% of the cost. That is the system we need. It will devour 10% of the economy, instead of 17%. It will be expensive and people will still grumble about it. Health care, like public education and Social Security retirement, is a universal need. We should stop being immature babies about it, suck it up and do it right. France does it right. We should simply copy them. Not England, not Canada and not Germany. None of THOSE systems have the long- term survival rates after serious illness that France and the US have. They have INFERIOR medical CARE. France has the SAME degree of medical care as the US, but for EVERYBODY, and it costs 40% less than here. They do it better. We should copy them, because they got this one right. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-27   16:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Gatlin (#0) Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Monday the House Freedom Caucus is torpedoing the GOP’s ability to govern, And to thing here I was expecting to hear something negative! By "the GOP",he means "Globalist Old Pussies" like McLunatic,Lady Lindsey,various Bush criminals,etc,etc,etc. Those rectal orifices shouldn't even be allowed to vote,never mind make laws. The exist purely so people who want to vote Dim can vote for them and not have to admit they voted Dim. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-27   17:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Vicomte13 (#3) But if the GOP fails - and if they don't move Right they will fail because they won't have the votes - then the Democrats will roar back in. Which is exactly what WILL happen,and GOP's like Lady Lindsey,Bushes,and McLunatics will celebrate because it will be back to "dividing graft as usual" with their Dim brothers and sisters. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-27   17:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Vicomte13 (#5) The 20% uncovered can be covered by private insurance, but the private insurance should be completely not-for-profit mutual insurance. Nice theory,but without profit where is the incentive for them to put their money out there? Doctors in the United States earn double what they do in France, and they NEED to, because of the cost of medical school and malpractice insurance and maintaining huge billing departments. You do make a very valid point,there. Don't forget the cost of having a lawyer on retainer. That is the system we need. It will devour 10% of the economy, instead of 17%. It will be expensive and people will still grumble about it. It HAS to be expensive to keep people from abusing it and raising the prices even higher. The current system in the US where illegal aliens and everybody else goes to the ER for all their medical care and never pay a dime is why we have to pay 12 bucks for a aspirin or towel when we are patients. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-27   17:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Vicomte13 (#5) The French have universal, cradle-to-grave, coverage of everybody, for everything. Everybody is automatically insured. Employers have nothing to do with it. The state pays for 80% of the costs of most things, and 100% of the coverage of catastrophic things (like cancer and heart attacks). The 20% difference is so that hypochondriacs about little things bear a burden. The 100% for the catastrophic stuff is because deathly ill people cannot work, and should be focused on healing, not paying for health care. Health care for everybody is properly handled by the state, on a not-for-profit insurance basis. We could probably do this for about the same money as we're spending now on our current crazy public/private systems. Probably a bit less. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-27   17:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Tooconservative (#9) Yes, we could, and it would cover everybody and give a great deal of relief to millions of our suffering countrymen. It would also control costs going forward, and rip the fangs out of the trial lawyers. It would mean the end of Medicare and Medicaid and Tricare and military care, and HMOs and all of the other crazy-quilt nonsense. And it would mean that doctors offices would not be half-composed of billing departments. It's a better system to address one of the central features of human suffering, and to make the whole health care expensive predictable, for everybody, instead of a weird class-based crapshoot. Fix this, and over time the budgetary situation gets better because the costs are brought under control. And yes, it is socialism, but it's pragmatic socialism. Obamacare, and Ryancare, like Romneycare, are the worst sort of oligarchic socialism: the power of the state forces huge sums through for-profit private insurers. It meets all of MY criteria, which is that everybody be treated, for everything, and the "six-sigma" events that torment some poor soul are covered. And it does so for the same or less money. Obviously the Freedom Caucus and other political ideologues will reject it ferociously because it's "socialism". Well, they're right, it IS socialism, like Social Security is but more pervasive because it covers everybody. To me, the important thing is universal, HIGH QUALITY care, and long term cost control. This is paid for primarily by destroying the for-profit health insurance industry and the high-profit malpractice insurance industry, and the very high profit ambulance-chaser legal industry, and the high profit medical education industry, and reducing it all down to a government transfer payment system that eliminates the barriers to people becoming doctors, imposes a public service cost for the free medical school (exactly like West Point and Annapolis and Coast Guard and Air Force and Kings Point do for the military officer corps). Most important to me: everybody gets quality medical care, irrespective of ability to pay - the cost is socialized. Second most important to me: long-term costs are brought under control. Of tertiary but some importance: parasitical profiteers on human misery - the ambulance-chasing lawyers, the malpractice insurers, the health insurers - are driven out of the sector and their profit margins are diverted back into health care for people. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-27   17:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Vicomte13 (#10) Obviously the Freedom Caucus and other political ideologues will reject it ferociously because it's "socialism". Well, they're right, it IS socialism, like Social Security is but more pervasive because it covers everybody. If you found Republicans willing to support it, you'd get all the Dems. They really want single-payer. All this nonsense about 0bamaCare was just a ruse to force the collapse of the current system so they could move toward single-payer, possibly litigating it through the Court as a fundamental civil right. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-27   18:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Tooconservative (#11) If you found Republicans willing to support it, you'd get all the Dems. They really want single-payer. All this nonsense about 0bamaCare was just a ruse to force the collapse of the current system so they could move toward single-payer, possibly litigating it through the Court as a fundamental civil right. Yep. And in the end the Democrats will win on this. The only question, really, is whether the Republicans will control the process and get other things in their agenda, or the Republican party will drown in health care and the Democrats get single payer - and all the rest of their agenda too. Republicans want an agenda on health care that doesn't work and won't. They'll either wise up or drown. I expect they'll drown, but I hope they wise up. The problem with Democrats is that they're sleazy babykillers. Republicans love money and power more than they love people. It's a shitty set of choices. Trump is different. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-27   18:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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