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Title: Who Owns Obamacare Now?
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The American Spectator
URL Source: https://spectator.org/
Published: Mar 27, 2017
Author: DAVID CATRON
Post Date: 2017-03-27 02:50:15 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 1833
Comments: 19
Who Owns Obamacare Now? Mark Meadows and the so-called Freedom Caucus. Otto von Bismarck famously said, “Politics is the art of the possible.” This is a reality that President Trump and the GOP congressional leadership understand. Sadly, a small clique of rigid ideologues constituting about 10 percent of the Republican majority in the House of Representatives is clearly ignorant of this fact. These people call themselves the “Freedom Caucus.” Yet, by refusing to support the American Health Care Act (AHCA) last week, they preserved one of the most outrageous assaults on individual liberty ever signed into law. They have virtually guaranteed that Obamacare will never be repealed. Now they own it. Some commentators have attempted to blame the AHCA debacle on the failure of Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and the rest of the Republican leadership to live up to longstanding campaign promises. In a column bearing the hyperbolic title, “GOP cave on Obamacare repeal is the biggest broken promise in political history,” Philip Klein takes this position. Klein belongs to an unofficial group of conservative-leaning journalists that the immortal Jean Kirkpatrick might well have labeled the “blame Republicans first crowd.” These commentators habitually ignore inconvenient political facts and produce absurd assertions such as the following: They failed in the case of the Freedom Caucus, primarily because Mark Meadows and his accomplices wouldn’t take “yes” for an answer. Meadows first claimed that his primary objection to AHCA was its refundable tax credits, which he characterized as “a new entitlement program.” However, when the leadership showed signs that they might be willing to compromise on this issue, he suddenly decided that the bill also had to contain a provision eliminating Obamacare’s essential health benefits mandate (EHB). Meadows knew perfectly well that such a provision was almost certainly going to run afoul of Senate reconciliation rules. In other words, Meadows and most other members of the Freedom Caucus simply weren’t dealing in good faith. They insisted on “full repeal,” which they knew would never pass either house of Congress. President Trump has not been reticent about pointing this out. Yesterday morning, he took the Freedom Caucus to task thus: “Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club for Growth and Heritage, has saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare!” When asked by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos about the gleeful Democratic response to his handiwork, Rep. Meadows made the following preposterous claim: 
What’s so utterly disgraceful, is not just that Republicans failed so miserably, but that they barely tried.… Here’s the bottom line: Republicans didn’t want to repeal Obamacare that badly. Obamacare was a useful tool for them. For years, they could use it to score short-term messaging victories.… At no point were they willing to do the hard work of hashing out their intraparty policy differences and developing a coherent health agenda or of challenging the central liberal case for universal coverage.
This kind of counterfactual nonsense is what many career journalists — regardless of their original ideological leanings — begin to write once they have been absorbed into the Beltway collective. The reality is that GOP leaders, particularly Paul Ryan and Tom Price, have long since outlined a coherent health agenda. And the claim that Ryan and Price barely tried to sell AHCA to House Republicans simply has no basis in reality. Both Ryan and Price worked like dogs do get this deal done. In fact, they successfully worked with the White House to bring Mark Walker and the other skeptics on the Republican Study Committee around. Well, I mean, if they’re applauding, they shouldn’t, because I can tell you that conversations over the last 48 hours are really about how we come together in the Republican conference and try to get this over the finish line… we are in the negotiation process.
Meadows is evidently delusional. With whom is he negotiating? It obviously isn’t President Trump or Speaker Ryan. Meanwhile, even as he tries to evade responsibility for his actions, even some members of the Freedom Caucus itself are distancing themselves from the group and the role it played in scuttling AHCA. CNN reports, “Rep. Ted Poe announced Sunday he has resigned from the conservative House Freedom Caucus over its opposition to the Republican health care plan.” Poe is from Texas, where the voters won’t be anxious to re-elect anyone who helped save Obamacare. He issued the following statement announcing his resignation: In order to deliver on the conservative agenda we have promised the American people for eight years, we must come together to find solutions to move this country forward. Saying no is easy, leading is hard, but that is what we were elected to do. Leaving this caucus will allow me to be a more effective member of Congress and advocate for the people of Texas. It is time to lead.
Rep. Poe can see what Meadows has apparently missed. It probably isn’t a smart move to incur the wrath of your party’s leadership, including the president of the United States, while inspiring unabated glee among the opposition party. The Democrats know Obamacare is a disaster, no matter how much they lie about it, and they have been dying to be rid of that rotting albatross. [I used this same analogy earlier today] Rep. Mark Meadows and his accomplices have helped them to hang it around the GOP’s neck. But the entire Republican Party isn’t to blame here. It’s just a few posturing members of a rump caucus, and it is they who now own Obamacare — lock, stock, and barrel. (1 image)
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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)
How can that be? No vote was ever even held. You want to blame the brave Freedom Caucus for...not having voted. Just like every other GOP member of the House who also...didn't vote on it. And there were plenty of other 'no' votes among conservatives and from liberal northeastern country-club Republicans too. It was a badly crafted bill, hastily slapped together (like 0bamaCare was) behind locked doors with no one being allowed to offer any amendments. And they rushed it through in about 20 legislative days. The Dems at least worked on their bill for over a year before finally passing it.
No way. They saved the stupid GOP from owning the obummercare! The GOP and white house need to thank all those fighting against anything but pure removal of Obummercare. If the GOP modifies Obummercare even a little they will own it and be held to blame for all the failures of Obummercare no matter if it was the demoncraps plan. Why must the GOP keep shooting themselves in the head??? The only coarse of action is to first repeal Obummercare then address the issues that plague American healthcare which really is government in bed with insurance, trail lawyers and healthcare industries. That leaves the payee paying all the bills! Then again if illegal aliens are allowed to use the system for free no amount of "fixing" will solve the problem of 30million people abusing the system and not paying in to it!
That's the way I see it. It was half-baked and the final CBO score was going to be a heyday for Senate Dems. Can you imagine how much more humiliating it would have been for Trump if Freedom Caucus had let it pass and then it got to the Senate and completely blew up as Rand/Lee/Cotton (all opposed, none near re-election) started raining fire on it? And you would have had others too. Alaska was one of the five states that would be big losers so Murkowski would be out. Similarly, Nebraska was one of the five and Sasse would have opposed it and perhaps even Fischer. I think Maine's GOP senator would have opposed as well. That would have been a total debacle. Trump's better off that this half-baked bill failed early. And there is no reason why they can't return to it, now or later. When the GOP Congress passed welfare reform, Xlinton vetoed them twice. On the third try, he finally signed it. Similarly, Reagan took a long time to get his tax cuts passed and they were full of giveaways. Exactly. They all represent the rich powerful interests and very few represent the people. This, a thousand times over. If they didn't let these illegals use all that free healthcare for the last 25 years, we probably wouldn't have even needed any new federal program. The illegals broke a system that had worked pretty well until the Supreme Dictator of America, Anthony Kennedy, cast a vote saying that all illegals have to be given free education and can't be turned away from a hospital. Two of his worst rulings until he imposed sodomy marriage on the country as a right.
Hey, you're right! Hmmmm. But why was no vote ever even held? Do you know? Of course you do. You can't be that stupid.
Self Delete ...
Those were 'no' votes because the bill was too conservative, Tooconservative. But the bill failed because it wasn't conservative enough. With the 30 votes from the Freedom Caucus, the bill would have passed despite the 'no' votes among conservatives and from liberal northeastern country-club Republicans.
The House Republicans worked on theirs for 7 years. Hell, they voted 54 times to repeal Obamacare.
Of course I'm right. No vote was held. Period. And it was Trump who told Lyin' Ryan to pull the vote. So who is to blame for having no bill? I'd say it is Lyin' Ryan and Dumb Donald. Donald should have known better than to think that Priebus and Ryan could cook up anything to revamp 1/6th of the economy in less than 3 weeks.
I'm not convinced. And since Trump and Ryan pulled it, we'll never know. I think the bill failing in the House did Trump a big favor, sparing him the real humiliation of a big defeat up in the Senate. They were ready for it there, starting with the five states who were going to suffer much higher costs from it. Those senators were not just going to take one for the team.
Fine. Bring back the 2015 bill which passed the House with only 3 no votes and passed the Senate with only two no votes. And it passed again with the same numbers when they tried to override 0bama's veto. That bill was also written by Tom Price, our new HHS guy. Dust it off, put it to a vote and we'll quickly find out who has been lying to us all. I don't think that that is the Freedom Caucus. It's the party squishes (moderates) and northeastern liberal Rockefeller Republicans who want their sweet Medicaid goodies paid for by the feds.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3762/summary/35 I read the final bill and it says nothing about pre-existing conditions and 26- year-olds on their parent's policy. Meaning, I don't see any difference between this bill and Trump's (other than the expiration date for expanded Medicaid). In all seriousness, what are the differences?
You read all of Lyin' Ryan's bill? Last I heard, it was 123 pages of dense reading but it kept changing on an hourly basis. So I think I don't believe you read it. I'm not sure I believe that you even read a summary.
No. But I did read Tom Price's bill which you like. I want to know why you prefer Tom Price's bill over Ryan's. What makes it preferable? If you haven't read Ryan's bill, how do you know Price's is better? I'm not sure I believe that you even read a summary.
Price's original bill was a lot better. First and foremost, it overwhelmingly passed both chambers twice. Lyin' Ryan's bill, made to coddle unions and states that expanded 0care and Blue-state GOP pols, fell far short. I especially disliked Ryan's bill because it locked all non-exchange states out of expanding Medicaid while allowing the states that did loot the feds for Medicaid to keep receiving subsidies forever. Price's bill did not. Ryan's bill was half-baked. I'm so glad it was defeated.
True. It may have passed if members of the Freedom Caucus actually had to go on record. You know how that goes. Some state does a poll and finds that 72% approve of recreational marijuana. So they put up a referendum which only garners 36% support and everyone scratches their heads. But as Jonah Goldberg once said, "... polling absent consequences is a form of protest. With accountability, minds may change ..."
What matters is how Price's bill came back from the Senate. No? "I especially disliked Ryan's bill because it locked all non-exchange states out of expanding Medicaid while allowing the states that did loot the feds for Medicaid to keep receiving subsidies forever." Ryan's bill block-granted Medicaid to the states. Price's did not. Both provide federal funds forever.
That is more true than you think. It is possible they bluffed Trump. I think it was the defecting "moderates" (northeast and west coast liberal Republicans) who sunk it once they recognized that it could never pass the Senate and they would still have a bunch of Dem ads accusing them (accurately) of voting for RynoCare. So, realizing there was a rising cascade of defections from the bill, Lyin' Ryan got Trump to pull the bill and they all poured it on to blame the Freedom Caucus for...what? Saying they wouldn't vote for it? Plenty of others said they wouldn't vote for it either and no one is pointing fingers at them. Lyin' Ryan, just like Boehner, hates conservatives. Because neither one of the Speakers was a conservative other than making speeches in a campaign. When push comes to shove in actual policy, they were/are both Big Gooberment Republicans.
I haven't looked into which two senators voted against the Price bill in 2015 (and again on the veto override). I'd guess that it was Collins and Murkowski but that's just a guess.
Trump, the American people, and 50,000,000 illegal invaders.
They have virtually guaranteed that Obamacare will never be repealed. Now they own it.
#2. To: Tooconservative, Gatlin (#1)
#3. To: Justified (#2)
(Edited)
No way. They saved the stupid GOP from owning the obummercare!
The only coarse of action is to first repeal Obummercare then address the issues that plague American healthcare which really is government in bed with insurance, trail lawyers and healthcare industries. That leaves the payee paying all the bills!
Then again if illegal aliens are allowed to use the system for free no amount of "fixing" will solve the problem of 30million people abusing the system and not paying in to it!
#4. To: Tooconservative (#1)
"How can that be? No vote was ever even held."
#5. To: misterwhite (#4)
(Edited)
#6. To: Tooconservative (#1)
(Edited)
"And there were plenty of other 'no' votes among conservatives an and from liberal northeastern country-club Republicans too."
#7. To: Tooconservative (#1)
"The Dems at least worked on their bill for over a year before finally passing it."
#8. To: misterwhite (#4)
Hey, you're right!
#9. To: misterwhite (#6)
With the 30 votes from the Freedom Caucus, the bill would have passed despite the 'no' votes among conservatives and from liberal northeastern country-club Republicans.
#10. To: misterwhite (#7)
Hell, they voted 54 times to repeal Obamacare.
#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)
(Edited)
"Bring back the 2015 bill which passed the House with only 3 no votes and passed the Senate with only two no votes."
#12. To: misterwhite (#11)
#13. To: Tooconservative (#12)
"You read all of Lyin' Ryan's bill?"
#14. To: misterwhite (#13)
#15. To: Tooconservative (#9)
"I'm not convinced. And since Trump and Ryan pulled it, we'll never know."
#16. To: Tooconservative (#14)
"Price's original bill was a lot better."
#17. To: misterwhite (#15)
(Edited)
True. It may have passed if members of the Freedom Caucus actually had to go on record.
#18. To: misterwhite (#16)
What matters is how Price's bill came back from the Senate. No?
#19. To: Gatlin (#0)
Who Owns Obamacare Now?
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