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Title: On Libertarian Arrogance
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Liberty Conservative
URL Source: http://www.thelibertyconservative.com/on-libertarian-arrogance/
Published: Mar 25, 2017
Author: by Timothy Snowball
Post Date: 2017-03-25 21:32:28 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 812
Comments: 7
Recently, I was privy to an exchange on social media that highlighted the intellectual and moral arrogance observed in many libertarians. Certain members of the Liberty Movement seem to be so sure of their superiority that they miss the authoritarian allure of a Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders. Turning a blind eye (or turning up our noses) at those we disagree with will not help advance the ideas about individual rights, the rule of law, benefits of markets, or any of the other foundations upon which so many of us base our worldviews if not our careers. Rather than dismiss those arguments that we happen to disagree with by claiming some de facto intellectual, empirical, or moral superiority, we should instead be willing to engage with conservative and liberal arguments on their own terms. There is simply no better way to refute bad arguments, improve electoral opportunities, and gain adherents to ideas that have been indispensable in shaping the freedom and prosperity of the western world. Conservatives want the United States to maintain a large military and take an active role in the security of the western world, arguably to the point of adventurism. Why? Not because they hate peace, or like war, or are unaware of the ability of markets and free exchange to forge peaceful relations between nation states through repeat interactions. But because from their ideological perspective, the United States is the protector of the western order, and the world is a dangerous place. That does not make conservatives stupid, intellectually lazy, or immoral. Liberals believe that society has an affirmative duty to provide a strong social safety net and other benefits to poor and disadvantaged individuals through action by the government. Why? Not because they never took basic economics in high school, or are socialists, or are unaware that such heavy tax and spending systems can become unsustainable in the long run. But because from their ideological perspective, the United States, as one of the wealthiest nations on Earth, cannot claim to be great unless it ensures that those most vulnerable in our society are given an equal chance. That does not make liberals stupid, intellectually lazy, or immoral. And both liberals and conservatives seem to believe, despite their varying views on immigration policy and supranational organizations, that Westphalian nation states should continue to exist, that borders serve valuable purposes for individuals and society, and should also continue to exist. Make all the arguments you want to the contrary. May the echo chamber provide you the comfort that electoral losses and relegation to the political fringe never will. Libertarians do not possess the exclusive right to define reality for other people. That is simply not how human beings psychologically function. If you want to convince someone of something, talk to them. Engage with their worldview and arguments. Understand their concerns. One of my mentors in college was apt to say: “You gain nothing by refusing to consider the concerns of others.” Whether an argument is right or wrong, dismissing it by calling the person making it stupid, intellectually lazy, or immoral, instead of engaging with them thoughtfully, does not reflect well on the Liberty Movement or the person being dismissive. An ideological perspective that alienates the other 90% of the population because it demands purity over political pragmatism will not gain adherents to the Liberty Movement, improve electoral prospects, or successfully advance the ideas of liberty to the greater population.
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#1. To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#0)
Oh the Irony! A self-aggrandizing busy-body who arrogantly spews his misguided views about liberty on a daily basis here at LF. If you want to convince someone of something, talk to them. Engage with their worldview and arguments According to Gatlin, that means calling them "libertarian assholes" at every opportunity and taking great pains to denigrate any politician who espouses a libertarian bent. Oh, and vehemently posting unadulterated bullshit about any politician or former politician with the last name of "Paul" while cheering for the 90% of politicians who are corrupt. In order for these words to have meaning, someone's got to meet the definiton. That person is Gatlin. He's the gold standard for A'hole, as well as hypocrite. When you combine those attributes, you've got an ISIS McKrazy voter! TEHRAN (FNA) – A top Saudi commander of the US backed Al-Nusra Front – Al-Qaeda’s official branch in Syria – urged all militant groups across Syria to leave their positions for Aleppo, warning that the strategic territory near the border with Turkey will soon be completely lost if thousands of fresh forces do not join them in coming days. Abdullah al-Muhsini, the al-Nusra’s senior commander and confidant of US Senator John McCain, wrote on his social network pages that in case all militant groups do not join their comrades in Aleppo, the entire province “which is of vitally strategic value will soon be lost” to the Syrian army. The Saudi Sheikh who is also a religious leader voiced deep concern over militants’ status quo in Aleppo, saying that the Syrian army and its allies have increased the momentum of their advances in the last few days. He specially demanded militants in neighboring Hama province to “show care for common, instead of personal and individual, interests” and rush to the al-Nusra and ISIL’s aid “before the Syrian army conquers the strategic al-Aeis heights”, warning that the government troops will prevail over all militants’ positions in Northern Syria soon if their all-out advances in Aleppo are not brought to a halt. Sheikh Abdullah al-Muhsini stands at the highest ranks of the al-Nusra Front command. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/11/mccain-associate-al-nusras-saudi-commander-begs-terrorist-groups-to-rush-to-aleppo/ He lives in AZ, or claims to. So he would very likely be a McCrazy voter.
Gatlin is proud of voting for McCain, claims the dem is worse. Not believable at all. The only one that even comes close to McKrazy, is Hillary. The Stain always seemed to have problems thinking for himself. He always relied on others, particularly Lieberman, to do his thinking for him. He's kinda lazy, not very bright. He does enjoy traveling the world, warmongering over every patch of ground he sets foot on. Since Lieberman faded away, the Stain has been cut loose and it seems to me that Lady Lindsey has taken over telling McStain what to think and what to say.
No wonder Gatlin idolizes him. SAY WHAT??????? It would be impossible to be more wrong than that. He is describing neo-cons/globalists,NOT conservatives. That quoted line is where I quit reading. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
...the intellectual and moral arrogance observed in many libertarians.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#2. To: Deckard, *Arab Spring Jihad* (#1)
stupid, intellectually lazy, or immoral.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: hondo68 (#2)
When you combine those attributes, you've got an ISIS McKrazy voter!
#4. To: Tooconservative, Gatlin (#3)
So he would very likely be a McCrazy voter.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#5. To: hondo68 (#4)
#6. To: Tooconservative, hondo68 (#5)
The Stain always seemed to have problems thinking for himself. He always relied on others...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#7. To: Gatlin (#0)
Conservatives want the United States to maintain a large military and take an active role in the security of the western world, arguably to the point of adventurism.
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