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Title: Court Rules in Favor of Police Who Pounded on Wrong Door, Didn’t Identify Themselves, Then Killed Innocent Man for Holding a Gun
Source: From The Trenches/Rutherford Institute
URL Source: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... nnocent-man-holding-gun/185398
Published: Mar 24, 2017
Author: Nisha Whitehead
Post Date: 2017-03-24 10:26:05 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 2293
Comments: 22

ATLANTA, Ga. — According to a federal appeals court, police will not be held accountable for banging on the wrong door at 1:30 am, failing to identify themselves as police, and then repeatedly shooting and killing the innocent homeowner who answered the door while holding a gun in self-defense. Although 26-year-old Andrew Scott had committed no crime and never fired a single bullet or lifted his firearm against police, he was gunned down by police who were investigating a speeding incident by engaging in a middle-of-the-night “knock and talk” in Scott’s apartment complex.  

In ruling in favor of qualified immunity for police, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit has given law enforcement agencies further incentives to engage in aggressive “knock and talk” practices, which have become thinly veiled, warrantless exercises by which citizens are coerced and intimidated into “talking” with heavily armed police who “knock” on their doors in the middle of the night.

“Government officials insist that there is nothing unlawful, unreasonable or threatening about the prospect of armed police dressed in SWAT gear knocking on doors in the middle of night and ‘asking’ homeowners to engage in warrantless ‘knock-and-talk’ sessions,” said constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute and author of Battlefield America: The War on the American People. “However, as Andrew Scott learned, there’s always a price to pay for saying no to such heavy-handed requests by police. If the courts continue to sanction such aggressive, excessive, coercive ‘knock-and-shoot’ tactics, it will give police further incentive to terrorize and kill American citizens without fear of repercussion.”

On July 15, 2012, Deputy Richard Sylvester spotted a speeding motorcycle while on patrol in Lake County, Florida. Sylvester pursued the motorcycle in his patrol car but lost sight of it. Subsequent reports caused Sylvester to believe that the motorcyclist might be armed, was wanted by another police department, and had been spotted at a nearby apartment complex. Arriving at the complex around 1:30 a.m., Sylvester and three other deputies began knocking on doors close to where a motorcycle was parked, starting with Apartment 114, where a light was on inside.

Apartment 114 was occupied by Andrew Scott and Amy Young, who were playing video games and had no connection to the motorcycle or any illegal activity.

Assuming tactical positions surrounding the door to Apartment 114, the deputies had their guns drawn and ready to shoot. Sylvester, without announcing he was a police officer, then banged loudly and repeatedly on the door, causing a neighbor to open his door. When questioned by a deputy, the neighbor explained that the motorcycle’s owner did not live in Apartment 114. This information was not relayed to Sylvester. Unnerved by the banging at such a late hour, Andrew Scott retrieved his handgun before opening the door. When Scott saw a shadowy figure holding a gun outside his door, he retreated into his apartment only to have Sylvester immediately open fire. Sylvester fired six shots, three of which hit and killed Scott. A trial court subsequently ruled in favor of the police, ruling that Scott was to blame for choosing to retrieve a handgun before opening the door.

On appeal, the Eleventh Circuit ruled that Sylvester was protected by “qualified immunity,” reasoning that the use of excessive force did not violate “clearly established law.” Four judges dissented with the majority’s ruling, likening the “knock and talk” to a “knock and shoot” and rejecting the idea that Scott caused the shooting by exercising his Second Amendment right through his possession of a firearm.

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#2. To: Deckard (#0)

From another article:

"When the person came to the door, the door was flung open and the occupant in that apartment pointed a gun at the deputy's face ... At that point, the deputy took the action he took, obviously he was in fear for his life, and at that point he shot Mr. Scott,' Herrell said."

I'm thinking that's the wrong way to answer the door -- no matter who's knocking.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   10:36:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

"When the person came to the door, the door was flung open and the occupant in that apartment pointed a gun at the deputy's face ... At that point, the deputy took the action he took, obviously he was in fear for his life, and at that point he shot Mr. Scott,' Herrell said."

If that's the case for the defense, then it seems to me both were in fear for their lives, and if Scott had shot and killed the cop, he would likewise have been exonerated. And if it was thugs banging on the door to rob the place then having a gun in hand would have been the correct and reasonable course. Unless, of course you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment or the right of one to act in self defense.

Hopefully the city taxpayers will be on the hook to pay off the surviving family because the police created a situation that resulted in the death.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-24   11:08:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

"If that's the case for the defense, then it seems to me both were in fear for their lives, and if Scott had shot and killed the cop, he would likewise have been exonerated."

You mean open-the-door-and-shoot?

The cop was in uniform and knocked on the door.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   11:24:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#4)

The cop was in uniform and knocked on the door.

That doesn't mean a damn thing. Anybody can get a police badge and dress up in uniform. You need to do the same vetting of them that you would do for a phone company coming to check those wires not working properly.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-03-24   13:32:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#10. To: goldilucky (#8)

"You need to do the same vetting of them that you would do for a phone company coming to check those wires not working properly."

You mean stick a gun in their face when they knock on the door?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24 13:40:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: goldilucky (#8)

Anybody can get a police badge and dress up in uniform.

Technically true, but because putting on a police uniform magically transforms the occupant into a law enforcement officer who can do no wrong, ever, it's actually impossible for anyone wearing such a thing to commit a crime or violate someone's rights.

... according to MisterWhite.

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