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Title: Why Approval Voting is Unworkable in Contested Elections
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URL Source: http://www.fairvote.org/why-approva ... orkable-in-contested-elections
Published: Jul 29, 2011
Author: fairvote.org
Post Date: 2017-03-14 11:20:40 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 1729
Comments: 9

And How the Borda Count, Score Voting, Range Voting and Bucklin Voting are Similarly Flawed Due to Vulnerability to Strategic Voting

Approval voting is a method of voting to elect single winners that has adherents among some voting theorists, but is unworkable in contested elections in which voters have a stake in the outcome. Once aware of how approval voting works, strategic voters will always earn a significant advantage over less informed voters. This problem with strategic voting far outweighs any other factor when evaluating the potential use of approval voting in governmental elections.

Other methods that should not be used in meaningfully contested elections include range voting, score voting, the Borda Count and Bucklin voting. They all share approval voting’s practical flaw of not allowing voters to support a second choice without potentially causing the defeat of their first choice. Such voting methods have their potential value, but only in elections where voters have no particular stake in the outcome.

The only voting methods that should be weighed seriously for governmental elections are methods that do not violate this “later-no-harm” criterion (plurality voting and forms of runoff elections and instant runoff voting) or only do so indirectly (such as Condorcet voting methods).

In FairVote's new analysis, we support our claims about approval voting and similar voting methods both with theoretical analysis and with a broad range of evidence, including the failure of these voting methods in every single significant use in meaningfully contested elections.

Highlights of Analysis

• Approval voting is not a viable method of voting because it is highly vulnerable to strategic voting in contested elections. It violates the “later-no-harm” criterion, meaning that indication of support for a lesser choice can help defeat a voter’s most preferred candidate. It is a system that only will work when voters don’t understand the system or have no stake in the outcome.

• All voting methods have certain theoretical flaws, but having a practical flaw that inevitably leads to tactical voting is qualitatively different. Creating incentives for strategic voting is not just another undesirable property. It makes a system unworkable in elections with active campaigns and meaningful choices. Quite simply, it is unacceptable that voters who vote tactically by casting a single vote for their favorite candidate will gain an advantage over those voters who indicate support for more than one candidate in the manner suggested by the ballot instructions.

• Some voting system theorists do not provide proper weight to vulnerability to strategic voting due to a failure to understand the nature of competitive campaigns. In competitive elections, voters will not be “honest men,” in the words of French mathematician Jean-Charles de Borda. Borda realized his similar proposal (the Borda Count) would not work unless voters and campaigners avoided tactical voting. But tactical voting is not dishonest if allowed by the rules; seeking to win is a natural part of elections in which voters care who wins, and any system that fails to accommodate that reality is insupportable.

• Other voting method analysts also conclude that approval voting is highly vulnerable to strategic voting. James Green-Armytage’s Strategic Voting and Nomination finds voting methods that violate later-no-harm, including approval voting, to be the most vulnerable to strategic voting. In Collective Decisions and Voting, Nicolaus Tideman ranked approval voting last among 25 systems in its lack of resistance to strategic voting.

• Approval voting and variations of it have rarely been used in meaningfully contested elections due to this problem. The few trials of the method confirm our critique, however. Examples include problematic early elections of president and vice-president in the United States and the rise and fall of “Bucklin voting” in a number of U.S. jurisdictions. Hypothetical uses of approval voting also underscore its unworkability in meaningfully contested elections.

• Approval voting faces other hurdles that add to its lack of viability. It will face significant political opposition due to violation of our common sense understanding of majority rule. With approval voting, for example, a candidate with the first choice support of more than 50% of voters can lose to a candidate without a single first choice supporter.

• It is no coincidence that plurality voting and forms of runoff voting and instant runoff voting are the only voting systems used to elect single- winner offices at any level of government anywhere in the world. They are the only voting methods that uphold the later-no-harm criterion. Although plurality voting and traditional runoffs are more vulnerable to strategic voting than instant runoff voting, those vulnerabilities are not nearly as problematic as violation of the later-no-harm criterion.

• The Borda count, Bucklin voting and range voting are among other voting methods that are also unworkable in meaningfully contested elections due to violation of the later-no-harm criterion.

• Voting methods that transparently violate later-no-harm are illusions for reformers of governmental elections – they represent a promise that will never be realized and are distractions from the core policy choice for jurisdictions debating how best to elect single winner offices: whether to adopt plurality voting, traditional runoffs or instant runoff voting.

• Approval voting and other methods that violate later-no-harm can have value when in surveys or certain private elections where honest, non- strategic behavior is to be expected. But such uses are quite different from using these methods in elections where candidates campaign aggressively and voters care about who wins and who loses.

Outline of Analysis

• The Significance of the Practical Flaw of Violating “Later-No-Harm” • Lessons from Problems with the Borda Count • How Strategic Actors Would Game Approval Voting • Real-World Failures for Approval Voting and Variants • Lessons from Bucklin Voting in 20th Century Elections in the United States • Examples of Actual Single Winner Elections Where Approval Voting Would Have Failed • A Place for Approval Voting: Where “Honest Behavior” Can Be Expected • Conclusion: Focus on Viable Voting Methods for Governmental Elections

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

The only voting methods that should be weighed seriously for governmental elections are

None. The one we have is obvious and straighforward, and works, and we should not waste any time or money at all even considering replacing it with anything else.

It works. It's a long standing system. No government time, or money, should be allocated to even a discussion of changing the first past the post voting system. If people don't like it because their ideas can never win, then they should change their ideas, because ideas that can never win are obviously not acceptable to most people, and we live in a democratic republic.

All of these other voting systems are a camouflaged way for minoritarian ideas and voter bloc to gain power. But there should be no way for that in a democracy.

Here's some conservatism: we have a voting system that has worked for centuries, and we are not even going to allot the time to DISCUSS a change to it. It works. It cannot be changed. And government cannot discuss changing it. Off limits. Forever.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-14   17:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Interesting write up, but I find it extremely flawed in it's assumptions, though some of the difference is probably how bad various voting characteristics are.

Once aware of how approval voting works, strategic voters will always earn a significant advantage over less informed voters. This problem with strategic voting far outweighs any other factor when evaluating the potential use of approval voting in governmental elections.

Well guess what. If you want to see strategic voting at work, you just have to look at our current pluralist voting system. Any time anyone tells another voter that if they vote for a third party candidate they are throwing their vote away or helping a worse preferred republicrat defeat more preferred republicrat, they are encouraging that person to vote strategically!< Read that again, and try to tell me it doesn't happen in EVERY FREAKING US ELECTION in which there are more than 2 candidates for a single office. It happens EVERY ELECTION. Strategic voting doesn't get more strategic than that!

No voting system is perfect. I read somewhere it's been mathematically proven that a perfect voting system cannot exist. The article does admit that. And yes, more informed voters have an advantage over less informed voters, but that is always true in any election because less informed voters always have less clue about who would best represent their interests.

Any time voters know what the vote tallies are for all people voting prior to them, they have an advantage. The last voter voting could look at the tallies and if the leading candidates are tied, they can choose which one wins, even if none of them are the most preferred, and that's true in any vote system. If, Stone, you referred to the public AV vote for the takeover of LP, then this was a flaw in that vote. But of course, the LP vote was flawed for reasons having nothing to do with AV, but because the only correct course was to not turn it over to anyone, but to shut it down.

It violates the “later-no-harm” criterion, meaning that indication of support for a lesser choice can help defeat a voter’s most preferred candidate.

Pray tell how a 3rd party voter voting for an R or D instead of his preferred 3rd party candidate because he doesn't want to waste his vote does NOT violate this criteria in standard plurality voting? The authors are clueless on that claim. Plurality voting absolutely suffers from this "later-no-harm" attribute.

In FairVote's new analysis, we support our claims about approval voting and similar voting methods both with theoretical analysis and with a broad range of evidence, including the failure of these voting methods in every single significant use in meaningfully contested elections.

Please cite an example of how the author determined how AV "failed" in a real election. Is it because the winner was someone the authors didn't want to have win?

• Approval voting is not a viable method of voting because it is highly vulnerable to strategic voting in contested elections.

But AV is less vulnerable than pluralist voting.

Quite simply, it is unacceptable that voters who vote tactically by casting a single vote for their favorite candidate will gain an advantage over those voters who indicate support for more than one candidate in the manner suggested by the ballot instructions.

No they don't gain any advantage. They lose advantage because if they vote for only one when they also favor others, then that decision may cause a strongly disliked candidate to win over a lesser preferred candidate that they didn't vote for. So while it does give an advantage to the most preferred candidate over a lesser preferred candidate, it also gives an advantage to despised candidates over moderately preferred candidates. It balances out.

James Green-Armytage’s Strategic Voting and Nomination finds voting methods that violate later-no-harm, including approval voting, to be the most vulnerable to strategic voting. In Collective Decisions and Voting, Nicolaus Tideman ranked approval voting last among 25 systems in its lack of resistance to strategic voting.

Every vote system is subject to strategic voting. Every one.

Approval voting and variations of it have rarely been used in meaningfully contested elections due to this problem.

I disagree. I think Approval voting is not used because people aren't used to the idea.

Examples include problematic early elections of president and vice-president in the United States.

I'd be interested in seeing the source on this. As far as I know, early presidential elections were not AV. What they did do back then is award the VP slot to the 2nd place winner, which didn't work. Could you imagine Hillary being Trump's VP?

Approval voting faces other hurdles that add to its lack of viability. It will face significant political opposition due to violation of our common sense understanding of majority rule.

But there's not majority rule with pluralist voting! In a 3-way election split 40/35/25, the winner is one who was supported by only 40% of voters? Does the author understand what "majority" means?

With approval voting, for example, a candidate with the first choice support of more than 50% of voters can lose to a candidate without a single first choice supporter.

This sentence makes it apparent to me the author is obsessed with the need for the a quality vote system to express their vote for a most preferred candidate. (which again, pluralist voting does NOT do). AV does have that drawback as each candidate gets an equal vote for being either most preferred or moderately preferred. AV is not a perfect system, but no vote system is perfect, and the object is to award the win to a candidate who best represents the will of all voters, not the one who is most preferred by the biggest minority of voters, as pluralist voting does.

• Voting methods that transparently violate later-no-harm are illusions for reformers of governmental elections – they represent a promise that will never be realized and are distractions from the core policy choice for jurisdictions debating how best to elect single winner offices: whether to adopt plurality voting, traditional runoffs or instant runoff voting.

Instant runoff suffers from 2 elements. Ballots are far more confusing, as is the vote counting process (very confusing), and the order in which early round candidates lose can alter the final election results. AV is free of those practical defects.

I obviously take strong exception to this article. As I mentioned, it appears to me the source of the author's objection to AV is an assumption that it's important for each voter to express more support for a most supported candidate over a moderately supported candidate. If that assumption is dispensed with, and I think it can be properly dispensed with because the whole point of a vote is to find out which candidate is supported by the most voters which is a process of averaging, then the perceived problems of AV go away.

It's possible that public polls for how voters are leaning could impact an AV system in certain ways. But that is, again, also true in our current system which absolutely suffers from this "later-no-harm" problem completely contrary to the authors claim.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-14   18:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

None. The one we have is obvious and straighforward, and works, and we should not waste any time or money at all even considering replacing it with anything else.

I think a clear and basic look at the state of the country shows that it does NOT work. Congress is so out of touch with the will of both the people and the states collectively that I don't think anyone could seriously say that the US federal government is acting as it should be.

There is a fundamental problem related to representation at the federal level, so some fundamental change is warranted. Maybe not AV, but if not that, something else.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-14   18:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I looked up the source site. They are advocates of the Instant Run-Off voting system. IRV is arguably better than pluralist voting because it can theoretically give more chance to candidates which voters like but don't believe can win, but the one strong disadvantage of IRV is vote-counting is a serious bitch to do. You gotta count all the ballots separating them according to first choices, then pick up the smallest pile and go through that counting again to redistribute those ballots to other candidates. You keep repeating the process until one candidate has > 50% of all ballots. In a statewide race where not all ballots are in one place, counting them would be a serious pain. Of course a computer could do all that processing quickly, but getting computers out of the vote counting business is important to ease concerns of hacking, and it would be quite hard to verify a paper trail that an IRV vote count was done correctly.

IRV also has a theoretical anomaly where the order in which the early candidates are removed can affect the final outcome.

The second concern is the ballots are much more confusing. Let's face it: A lot of the population just won't understand the ranking ballot. The ballot would have to be much more complex to support the ability for voters to rank candidates, and a lot of people won't quite understand it.

Approval voting is better than IRV on both these points. The ballots are essentially the same as we currently use. The only difference is people can vote for more than one candidate. And vote counting is far simpler. It's one round of counting and you're done.

AV does have the disadvantage of not allowing people to express themselves as fully as IRV does, but I think in the big scheme, that disadvantage is a moot issue. The point is to elect someone that has the most favorability among voters overall, and AV does that.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-14   22:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#3)

I think a clear and basic look at the state of the country shows that it does NOT work.

The wealthiest, most powerful nation in the history of the world?

Our system works just fine. No need to change it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-15   10:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

The wealthiest, most powerful nation in the history of the world?

We're $20 trillion in debt, not counting unfunded mandates. How does that make the US the wealthiest in the world?

The US is a consumer based economy only because the US enjoys it's currency being the reserve currency of the world. It's made the U$D something that all other countries want. So while other countries export goods, the US exports dollars that it manufactures for nothing. So the illusion of wealth the US has is just that, and it's not likely to last much longer.

Arguably we reached the point of being an economically strong country about 100 years ago, but the fed gov today is far more burdensome than it was during the age that saw the USA become a superpower.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-15   12:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

The US is a consumer based economy only because the US enjoys it's currency being the reserve currency of the world. It's made the U$D something that all other countries want. So while other countries export goods, the US exports dollars that it manufactures for nothing. So the illusion of wealth the US has is just that, and it's not likely to last much longer.

Arguably we reached the point of being an economically strong country about 100 years ago, but the fed gov today is far more burdensome than it was during the age that saw the USA become a superpower.

Debt is leverage. Our economy grows faster than it would without the leverage.

Also, we take out debt to cover social programs, mostly. If we cut off the social programs, we would have to spend money containing social unrest and paying for the damage from rioting and revolution, or on huge police forces to prevent that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-15   13:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

Debt is leverage. Our economy grows faster than it would without the leverage.

Sometimes a decision to incur debt is a proper course if the debt is for capital investment, such that future benefits will cover the cost of debt repayment + interest, or otherwise cover repair or injury, such that, again, future benefits will cover that cost.

Also, we take out debt to cover social programs, mostly. If we cut off the social programs, we would have to spend money containing social unrest and paying for the damage from rioting and revolution, or on huge police forces to prevent that.

Something tells me you and I have some very basic differences about how an economy should work. The $20 trillion national debt doesn't even cover unfunded mandates which is some 4-8 x more. The debt burden of today will be passed on to future generations who are not enjoying the supposed benefit of suppression of social unrest, and I would hardly believe that a massive national debt is required to maintain a healthy society. Quite the contrary, in fact.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-15   15:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

If we cut off the social programs, we would have to spend money containing social unrest and paying for the damage from rioting and revolution, or on huge police forces to prevent that.

Can you say Dr Kevorkian?

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2017-03-15   18:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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