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Title: Why Trump’s Syria 'Surge' Will Fail
Source: Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity
URL Source: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive ... trump-s-syria-surge-will-fail/
Published: Mar 13, 2017
Author: Ron Paul
Post Date: 2017-03-13 14:53:51 by Hondo68
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Keywords: Trumps neocon quagmire, Syrian Army winning, defeating ISIS in Syria
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Last week President Trump significantly escalated the US military presence in Syria, sending some 400 Marines to the ISIS-controlled Raqqa, and several dozen Army Rangers to the contested area around Manbij. According to press reports he will also station some 2,500 more US troops in Kuwait to be used as he wishes in Iraq and Syria.

Not only is it illegal under international law to send troops into another country without permission, it is also against US law for President Trump to take the country to war without a declaration. But not only is Trump’s first big war illegal: it is doomed to failure because it makes no sense.

President Trump says the purpose of the escalation is to defeat ISIS in Raqqa, its headquarters in Syria. However the Syrian Army with its allies Russia and Iran are already close to defeating ISIS in Syria. Why must the US military be sent in when the Syrian army is already winning? Does Trump wish to occupy eastern Syria and put a Washington-backed rebel government in charge? Has anyone told President Trump what that would to cost in dollars and lives – including American lives? How would this US-backed rebel government respond to the approach of a Syrian army backed up by the Russian military?

Is Trump planning on handing eastern Syria over to the Kurds, who have been doing much of the fighting in the area? How does he think NATO-ally Turkey would take a de facto Kurdistan carved out of Syria with its eyes on Kurdish-inhabited southern Turkey?

And besides, by what rights would Washington carve up Syria or any other country?

Or is Trump going to give up on the US policy of “regime change” and hand conquered eastern Syria back to Assad? If that is the case, why waste American lives and money if the Syrians and their allies are already doing the job? Candidate Trump even said he was perfectly happy with Russia and Syria getting rid of ISIS. If US policy is shifting toward accepting an Assad victory, it could be achieved by ending arms supplies to the rebels and getting out of the way.

It does not appear that President Trump or his advisors have thought through what happens next if the US military takes possession of Raqqa, Syria. What is the endgame? Maybe the neocons told him it would be a “cakewalk” as they promised before the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Part of the problem is that President Trump’s advisors believe the myth that the US “surge” in Iraq and Afghanistan was a great success and repeating it would being the victory that eluded Obama with his reliance of drones and proxy military forces. A big show of US military force on the ground – like the 100,000 sent to Afghanistan by Obama in 2009 – is what is needed in Syria, these experts argue. Rarely is it asked that if the surge worked so well why are Afghanistan and Iraq still a disaster?

President Trump’s escalation in Syria is doomed to failure. He is being drawn into a quagmire by the neocons that will destroy scores of lives, cost us a fortune, and may well ruin his presidency. He must de-escalate immediately before it is too late.


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#5. To: hondo68 (#0)

Ron Paul thinks in terms of international law. What a dumb ass.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-13   19:40:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Ron Paul thinks in terms of international law. What a dumb ass.

....it is also against US law for President Trump to take the country to war without a declaration.

Or maybe you missed that part.

The last thing this country needs is another invasion of a foreign country under the guise of fighting terrorism.

Of course, I'm not surprised to see that Trump is caving to the neocons.

Deckard  posted on  2017-03-22   6:05:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#12)

....it is also against US law for President Trump to take the country to war without a declaration.
Or maybe you missed that part.
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Hey, Bubba, maybe you missed the point that both the Korean and Vietnam Wars were notable exceptions of the “US law” to take the country to “war without a declaration.”

Truman claimed the Korean War was a “police action” and did not require congressional authorization….while Johnson exploited the vaguely worded Gulf of Tonkin Resolution as justification for pursuing the armed conflict in Vietnam.

I point out to you these are two significant examples to show you how war powers have shifted toward the executive branch since the early days of American history….as I continue my relentless effort to educate you and all libertarians.

“Pay attention to what things are called and may not be called….because things need not be called what they really are to not be what be really are.” ~ Something Yogi Berra would have said …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-22   9:30:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#14)

I point out to you these are two significant examples to show you how war powers have shifted toward the executive branch since the early days of American history….as I continue my relentless effort to educate you and all libertarians.

Do you know what usurp means?

Was the "shift" legitimate per constitutional rules?

How was it legitimatized? If you know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-22   15:09:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Do you know what usurp means?
I could say: “Maple or sugar cane?”

But I want…although that did cross my mind.

Joking aside – Please read and take my statement literally….and don’t read something into it or try to read something into it, if that’s what you are doing, or trying to do.

I stated:

The Korean [Conflict] and Vietnam War were notable exceptions of the US law to take the country to war without a declaration.
This is true. They did take our country into wars without a declaration [although one was called a conflict…it was same thing] and they were notable exceptions of the US law to take the country to war without a declaration. That is exactly what I said, and that is a true statement….period.
Was the "shift" legitimate per constitutional rules?
I didn’t call it a “shift.” So what I think you are asking is: “Were those actions constitutional?”

I will only take time to discuss what, if any, legal basis did Truman act to commit U.S. troops to Korea in June of 1950….which incidentally still stands as the single most important precedent for the executive use of military action without congressional approval.

I am of the opinion that Truman's unilateral use of armed force in Korea violated the U.S. Constitution [and also the UN Participation Act of 1945, for that matter] because the decision to place U.S. troops in combat and engage the nation in a state of war [regardless of what it’s call….including a “conflict”] requires prior approval by Congress.

I point out to you these are [but] two significant examples to show you how war powers have shifted toward the executive branch since the early days of American history …
Ah, but you must realize there have been more that two hundred “incidents” where Presidents have used “force abroad.” I say that a war, either small or large, by any other name is still a war although they have been referred to as “incidents.”

But, WOAH, there “Old Nellie”….hold on. Most of those “incidents” were minor actions, or “adventures” taken in the name of directly protecting American lives. Can, or should I condemn or condone any of those? Hmmm … I would need to examine each of the specific incidents before doing so.

As great as the Constitution is, and I do think it is….it is a short document and it cannot and it does not attempt to cover every eventuality. Even when it appears clear to some Constitutional Lawyers and Constitutional Experts….there are other Constitutional Lawyers and Constitutional Experts who will argue against them and have different interpretations. There can be conflicting rights and conflicting spheres of power. That is why it is important that judges of the Judicial Branch interpret the Constitution, for that is the way our system was designed.

How was it legitimatized? If you know.
I could give you many reasons that hundreds of people explained how it [the “shift” as you called it] was legitimatized….but that would be their justification and not mine. So I say this question is not applicable to me and I trust you can understand this.

I hope I have adequately and thoroughly answered your question….and I thank you for taking your time to ask it.

I will now be glad to listen to your opinion or anything you have to say …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-22   17:40:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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