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United States News Title: 'Throw popcorn in my face,' some heard Reeves say at time of movie theater shooting DADE CITY — Right about the time that Curtis Reeves drew a pistol and shot Chad Oulson in the chest, killing him, three different people heard Reeves say something about popcorn. "Throw popcorn in my face," was what Mark Turner, a retired Air Force officer, recalled hearing from his spot at the end of Reeves' row inside Cobb Grove 16 cinemas three years ago. Charles Cummings, one row down from Reeves, heard the popcorn comment, too. So did Derek Friedhoff, a few rows down. He said it was prefaced by "show you" or "teach you." A surveillance video from the theater had captured Oulson's arm grabbing Reeves' bag of popcorn and tossing it at him right before the fatal shot, after a clash over use of a cellphone. The timing of the statement attributed to Reeves — whether it was uttered before, during or after the muzzle flash — became a point of interest when defense attorneys questioned the three, who were among final witnesses to testify during Reeves' two-week-long "stand your ground" hearing, which ends today. Reeves made the comment "almost simultaneously with the gunshot, quite frankly," Turner said. It sounded to him like a "declaratory question," he said: "Throw popcorn in my face." Reeves, 74, is trying to have the case against him dismissed under a controversial Florida law that says a person has no duty to retreat when faced with a violent confrontation and can use deadly force if he or she fears death or great bodily harm. The former Tampa police captain is charged with second-degree murder and aggravated battery. Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge Susan Barthle will decide whether the case goes to trial. A fourth theater patron, Jane Roy, was also seated down the row from Reeves. She said he brushed past her when he left the theater to complain that Oulson was using a cell phone during movie previews. "You could tell he was agitated," she said of Reeves. "He was mumbling and he was very brusk." Roy said she feared Reeves was about to start a fight. "I knew that Mr. Reeves was a very big man, and he frightened me," she said. Reeves was 6-foot-1 and 270 pounds, according to his arrest affidavit. Oulson was 6-foot-4 and 205 pounds, according to his autopsy report. After he was shot, Oulson staggered down his row. He collapsed near Cummings, who recalled hearing him say, "I can't believe he shot me." Friedhoff, a nurse, tried to administer first-aid. When he shined a light in Oulson's eyes, the pupils were dilated, a sign the brain was shutting down, he testified. Prosecutors played audio recordings of two interviews Reeves gave with detectives as he sat in the back of a sheriff's car behind the theater. Almost from the beginning he expressed regrets. As soon as he pulled the trigger, he said, he realized it was "stupid." But he said he was scared, more frightened than he had ever been as a cop, afraid he would be beaten. Had he been 20 years younger, he would have wrestled it out, he said. Everything happened so fast. "If I had it to do over again, it would never have happened," he said. "We would have moved. But you don't get do-overs." He reported that Oulson hit him in the face with something. He said he was leaning all the way back in his chair and Oulson was almost on top of him. "I was pretty confident after getting hit one time that it wasn't going to stop," he said. He chatted with the detective about his background as a former Tampa police officer. He said he has counseled officers on the use of deadly force. "What I tell people is even if you're 1,000 percent right and the other person is 1,000 percent wrong, it's still not a healthy thing to get involved with," he said. Later, in a second interview, Proctor told Reeves that Oulson had died. "We talked to everyone involved and nobody sees a punch being thrown and he's dead," the detective said. Reeves swore at the news. "I don't know what to say," he said. He talked about the lives that had just been ruined. Proctor then told Reeves he was going to arrest him on a murder charge. The state and defense will each present closing arguments in the stand-your-ground hearing today. The judge said Thursday she will enter a written ruling in the case no later than March 10. Her announcement came after Reeves' defense asked for two weeks to prepare a memorandum summarizing their arguments for why Reeves should be immune from prosecution. The request for two weeks seemed to irritate the judge. "I've got it. I've been sitting here. This is it. This is our time," Barthle said. "I'm well aware of the case law, I've done these hearings many times before. I'm not interested in a lengthy memorandum." The judge said she would prefer to rule immediately but would take time to prepare an order. "I'm not going to take another six months to do this," she said. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 9.
#3. To: Deckard (#0)
What is the problem? Throwing something in someone's face is an attack technique. Old man feared for his safety and dumbass paid the ultimate price.
I get the distinct impression that you would be singing a different tune had it been the ex-cop who was the victim instead of the perpetrator. You and paulsen both.
The double standard is becoming more and more apparent. Like with that roadside shooting of the guy with his wallet I commented on earlier today. If a concealed carry non-cop were to gun someone down like that while he was getting out of his car with wallet in hand, it would be Murder One and all the anti-gun people would be talking about how loony the guy was and his claims about fearing for his life would be met with confounded astonishment. But no, the guy was a cop trained to be in fear for his life so the entire context of the shooting changes into something reasonable. At some point, the 14th Amendment has to come into play. Equal protection under the law. If cops can legally use deadly force solely out of fear for their lives even when no danger exists, so can ordinary citizens.
What if the ordinary citizen is a retired cop?
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