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#70. To: GrandIsland (#58)

Stinky will remain a paultard for his LIBERALtarian love for fags.

BTW,goober,people like Thomas Jefferson,George Washington,and Ben Franklin were the original American "Libertarians",and it was due to them we got a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that guaranteed our individual freedoms.

Easy to see why you object to that,though. You aren't very bright,so you became a cop.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-11   11:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Gatlin (#65)

You find the voices that have aligned with liberty movement are more often among the loudest ones now pushing back on Trump and his various proposals as libertarians continue to express misgivings.

Being being free scares you,doesn't it?

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-11   11:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#63)

Everyone cannot afford to move.

Ah, the old catch-22 situation: Everyone cannot afford to move out of California – while a lot of people are moving out of California because they can't afford to live there anymore.

For every home buyer coming into the state, there are three Californians selling and moving elsewhere. [Data analysis firm CoreLogic].

Incomes just haven't kept up with the home price bonanza for many people -- particularly for the working and middle class. Despite strong job and wage growth, the Golden State has been losing residents for years and could be facing a shortage of middle-wage workers, according to a report from Beacon Economics released in March.

Anyone stuck in California can “bite the bullet” now, or they can “bite the bullet” later….in either case, it will be tough.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-11   11:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: sneakypete (#71) (Edited)

Being free scares you,doesn't it?
Nah, man, doesn’t scare me in the least bit.

Why, because I was just naturally Born Free.

Natural birth in a farmhouse with a neighbor lady from the next farm over attending.

How much more “being free” with a start in life like that could I possibly be?

I’ll answer my own question….NONE.

Ya know, I was born so free that even an ever popular song with music by John Barry and lyrics by Don Black was written about me.

Want to hear it?

Sure you do!

Just listen:

Like it?

I felt that you would …

Have you ever had a song expressely written about you?

No?

Awh ...

Uh....what was your question, again?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-11   12:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Gatlin (#73)

Uh....what was your question, again?

Don't let it worry you. You obviously wouldn't understand it the second time,either.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-11   12:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: sneakypete (#74) (Edited)

BTW – a bit of trivia …

All of the Land Rovers and Range Rovers I have owned [dating back to the first Series III in 1974] for exploring the outback in Arizona and Utah were named: Born Free.

I wanted to throw that touching bit of nostalgia in for you.

Stay in touch....ya hear.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-11   12:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Gatlin (#75)

All of the Land Rovers and Range Rovers I have owned [dating back to the first Series III in 1974] for exploring the outback in Arizona and Utah were named: Born Free.

Ok.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-11   12:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, Deckard, Randge, A Pole, sneakypete (#73)


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2017-03-11   13:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: hondo68 (#64)

Don't deny that there are several Timmy Mcveigh boot lickers here that worship all the anti gov koolaid

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-11   22:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: sneakypete (#67)

And here I was thinking this site was hosted in America,and owned by an American that believed in freedom of speech and thought.

Constantly talk about how equal fags are... and see how your fantasy works out for ya, fag lover

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-11   22:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: sneakypete (#68)

So says the retard that lives in NY.

I moved from New York about a year before Goldie shit the bed and was found rotting and alone, decaying on her Jewish floor for 2 weeks.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-11   22:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: sneakypete (#71)

Being being

Is stuttering a symptom of AIDS?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-11   22:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#63)

They can't afford to move out, but they can afford some of the highest TAXES IN THE 50?

I have a bridge to sell you.

Btw... making excuses for dysfunctional behavior is a LIBERAL TRAIT.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-11   22:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: GrandIsland, loves government, hates most Americans (#78)

worship all the anti gov koolaid


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2017-03-11   22:44:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: GrandIsland (#82)

People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you. The state you live in has nothing to do with a person being good or bad, conservative or liberal. It is a silly position to attack from.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-11   22:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#78)

Don't deny that there are several Timmy Mcveigh boot lickers here that worship all the anti gov koolaid

Ronald Reagan:

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-03-12   0:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: GrandIsland (#82)

Btw... making excuses for dysfunctional behavior is a LIBERAL TRAIT.

That must make you and Gatlin LIBERALS then, since you continue to make excuses for dysfunctional cops.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-03-12   0:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Gatlin (#73)

Why, because I was just naturally Born Free.

Natural birth in a farmhouse with a neighbor lady from the next farm over attending.

How much more “being free” with a start in life like that could I possibly be?

I’ll answer my own question….NONE.

Ya know, I was born so free that even an ever popular song with music by John Barry and lyrics by Don Black was written about me.

Anyone who believes they are free because of the circumstances of their birth or because someone wrote a song about them is definitely a primary candidate for lemminghood. The psychological trick of coaxing people into submission by convincing them they are free is well established. That we were all taught growing up how lucky we were to be born in the USA being one prime example.

You, Gatlin, don't understand what freedom is. If you did, you wouldn't have your fetish about libertarianism, which has the principle of freedom defining it's foundation. I'm not saying you should be one, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to argue, say, about marijuana use hurting society. You simply don't understand libertarianism and have no desire to. Hell, you only barely respect the First Amendment. You seriously have some fetish about the word that you do not have for communism or even criminal behavior.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-12   0:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#84)

People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you …

Absolutely, you are 100% correct. People can live where they want….they don’t have to answer to GrandIsland, but the are answering to themselves.

And people are answering to themselves by deciding they no longer want to live in that crap hole place called, California. The are moving out in droves: 5 Million People Left California Over the Past Decade.

The mass exodus from California is in progress:

Exodus from California

California Won't Fall Into The Sea -- It's Moving To Texas Instead

Report - The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/great-california-exodus- closer-look-5853.html

Joel Kotkin: The Great California Exodus

Why poorer, uneducated people are leaving California

THE CALIFORNIA EXODUS ACCELERATES

Exodus from California

Exodus from CA by the Middle Class

California Exodus

“California Exodus” Takes Aim at Public Schools

Mass Exodus From California

The Exodus Of People Moving Away From California Is Becoming An Avalanche

The exodus out of the Golden State continues with Nestle USA being the latest business …

Mass Exodus of Manufacturing from California

Will California's Outlier Status Accelerate Exodus?

Will there be a great California exodus due to housing and rent prices?

Exodus from the California Core …

Money's leaving California in a hurry

San Diego's Business Exodus Is Really a People Exodus

The Exodus out of California & it's Affect on Real Estate Values

Hawks California Exodus Program is helping Las Vegas Home ...

Money Matters - What is behind the mass Exodus from California ...

Even Booming Bay Area Sees an Exodus

The “exodus” has begun for the apparel industry ...

Hollywood's Big Budget Film Exodus Loses California $9.6 Billion

Brown accelerates California exodus

A Silicon Valley exodus? Redfin analysis finds Bay Area residents are ...

Exodus: California Tax Revenue Plunges by 22% -

High cost of California housing driving resident exodus

Toyota Motor Corporation Joins Exodus From California to Texas ...

The California exodus to Texas is reflected in market-based, one-way ...

California's minimum wage hike causing mass exodus, implosion in ...

3 Simple Charts That Help Explain Why 9,000 Businesses Have Left ...

California exodus turns to stampede -

San Diego Fact Check: California's Business Mass Exodus

"Exit Taxes": How California Tries to Stop the Lower Middle Class ...

<16 Reasons Why Americans are Leaving California by the Millions/font>

And the links go on ….

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   1:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Pinguinite (#87) (Edited)

Since you obviously have extreme difficulty with satire -
     Let’s see how well you can handle some really great humor.

What's the difference between Big Foot and an intelligent libertarian?
     Big Foot has been spotted several times.
One more:
Why is psychoanalysis quicker for a libertarian than for someone else?
     When its time to regress back to his childhood, he's already there.
This final one:
What is libertarians favorite salad?
     Lettuce alone.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   3:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Deckard (#85)

Decktard

The sites bootlicker. Wipe the paultard polish off your face.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-12   6:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#84) (Edited)

People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you.

When did I ever assert otherwise? The only one that answers to me is me. However, this is America. Land of the FREE. And in America if you....

Overdose on drugs, you're FREE to die. Destroy Narcan

Refuse to work... then you are FREE to starve. Destroy welfare

Willingly stay in a Nazi state... don't call others bootlicker on Paultard Flame. Com. You aren't FREE to be a hypocrite... unless the president of PaultardFlame.com defends said hypocritical FREEDOM.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-12   6:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: GrandIsland (#79)

Constantly talk about how equal fags are... and see how your fantasy works out for ya, fag lover

Is that right,Princess?

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-12   7:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: GrandIsland (#81)

Is stuttering a symptom of AIDS?

I can see why you are worried.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-12   7:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: GrandIsland (#91) (Edited)

Will the last Americans leaving California
please remember to bring our flag

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   8:15:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Deckardm GrandIsland, Pinguinite (#85)

Ronald Reagan:
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

Reagan Was Wrong:
     The Nine Most Terrifying Words Are, “I’m a Libertarian and the Market Will Save You”
.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   8:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, Pinguinite (#95) (Edited)

     Awh, WTH….I’ll go ahead and post it for you and save you from clicking:

Reagan Was Wrong: The Nine Most Terrifying Words Are, “I’m a Libertarian and the Market Will Save You.”

I was tailgating with my wife and two friends in the parking lot of Miller Park before a Brewers game yesterday, when a guy with a pasted-on, plastic, local-news-anchor smile approached our group. He wanted us to sign a petition to get his "buddy" on the ballot for state treasurer. Of course, the first question I asked him was which party his "buddy" belonged to, and the guy told us he was a Libertarian.

Poor guy, he didn't realize he was approaching a liberal blogger and his progressive friends. Not an audience that was going to easily buy what he had to sell. I politely told him that I wouldn't support a Libertarian candidate, and like a telemarketer dutifully and mechanically following a script provided to him to handle rejection, he asked why I didn't support Libertarians. I explained that I did not harbor a dislike or distrust of government, and that I thought there were certain jobs that only government could do. Without removing the wooden smile from his face, he moved to the next page of his telemarketer script and asked me if he could have one minute to "rebate" what I had said, and he proceeded to tell us that the free market is perfectly efficient and the best way to solve problems. I started to laugh and told him that, yes, the financial collapse two years ago was a great example of the market solving problems. And also, another great example was the oil pouring into the Gulf of Mexico. My wife and friends joined in the laughter, and our Libertarian guest could no longer maintain his fake smile. His voice and facial expression turned angry, and he stormed off to the next group of tailgaters, spitting out something barely intelligible at us as he left.

I thought this interaction perfectly encapsulated the anti-government, pro-market-solution obsession currently running through the right, especially among tea baggers and self-proclaimed libertarians. They love to cite Ronald Reagan's line that the "nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" But I'm far more afraid of someone telling me, "I'm a Libertarian (or Tea Party member) and the market will save you."

You would think from listening to the rhetoric that we have two choices in this country: Either you adopt the right's notion of deregulation and an unfettered free market, or you are a socialist. There is no in-between. Which is, of course, patently false, but also maddeningly ignorant of recent American history. Taking the financial industry as an example, after the election of Franklin Roosevelt, Congress quickly enacted legislation, like the Securities Act of 1933, the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall), and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, meant to curb the excesses of an unfettered financial system, which had led to the stock market crash of 1929 and the depression that ensued. And for the next 45 years, the country was able to avoid any mass financial collapses.

Then, beginning with Reagan, and continuing through George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, and reaching its peak with the ultimate deregulation messiah, George W. Bush, the government took down the post- Depression financial regulation structure brick by brick, following a mantra that deregulation helped the market to function freely, and a free market will produce the best results.

What did we get? The savings and loan scandal, the Enron- induced power outages in California, corporate fraud (Enron, etc.) and, ultimately, a financial industry run amok (arcane financial instruments, insanely risky investments that banks profited from regardless of their success, and credit rating agencies handing out AAA ratings like candy to keep customers, just to name some examples), all leading to a near financial collapse that plunged the country (and the rest of the world) into a job-sapping, deep recession.

All evidence would seem to point to the need for some regulation to keep the banks from running amok, but the right still clings to its mantra of deregulation and unfettered free markets.

I also thought it was not a coincidence that not once, not twice, but three times during his two-minute pitch to us, our Libertarian petitioner talked of having the opportunity to "rebate" what I had said about his cause. (Not "rebut" or "debate" or whatever else he actually meant, but "rebate," which had me secretly hoping he had a way to refund to us some of our time he had wasted.) It was fitting because so much of the right wing/Tea Party/libertarian anger is based on false notions (much of it, no doubt, a product of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the right wing media misinformation machine), and the urgency of his words was not supported by a basic ability to use the English language to make an argument, leaving the content of his claims even more suspect.

I can already hear the complaints now: I'm an elitist snob for chiding someone for making a mistake. If I was pointing out that, say, the guy who scanned our tickets at the Miller Park gate had been less than smooth with his words, I would deserve the criticism (that didn't happen, it's just an example). But here was a guy who was so sure of his beliefs, he not only gave up a Sunday to walk around a baseball stadium parking lot to collect signatures (admirable commitment), but he felt empowered to tell everyone there that he was right and they were wrong. And if you are going to take such a position and hold yourself out as an authority, it is fair to question the knowledge and intelligence underlying the strong assertions.

Our Libertarian petitioner's certainty isn't just simplistic, it is a real impediment to solving our country's problems. The alternative to unfettered free markets is not socialism, but rather, it is free markets with basic regulations in place to prevent abuse, just like the financial regulation architecture that protected the country after the Great Depression. (Somehow, I don't think we were living in a socialist state when Eisenhower and Nixon held the presidency.) I know subtlety is a lost art in modern politics, but if we are to survive, we will have to recognize that there are more than two extreme choices. These same right wingers don't seem to mind when the government subsidizes the oil industry, and I doubt that they want to shut down the libraries, public schools, fire departments, and highway maintenance departments, all of which are run by the government (and would not exist if left to a private, free-market model). Conservatives, tea baggers and libertarians want you to think it's a simple dichotomous choice: free markets or socialism, or no government or all government. But such a reductionist view fails to account for how complicated and integrated the relationship between public and private actually is. (Yes, I know, asking for nuance rather than black-and-white distinctions is tragically 20th century.) Let's remember the angry town hall attendees last summer telling members of Congress to keep their government hands off of their Medicare. Even they liked a government program, but they didn't even know it.

There was one aspect of our Libertarian petitioner's approach that especially rang true to me: The false smile covering his real anger. Tea Party leaders are quick to say there is no place in their movement for racism, but at those same rallies you see racist signs about President Obama. Let's not forget the March Harris poll that revealed that 57 percent of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim, and 45 percent think he wasn't born in the United States. Somehow, I doubt these people would be concerned about the religion or place of birth of John Kerry, Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, let alone John McCain, Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani. When right wingers talk about taking "their" country back, it's hard to see "their" as meaning anything but a system in which power rested in white, male, Christian hands. When tea baggers put a happy, smiley face on the movement, I can't help but be wary of the angry snarl underneath. So I wasn't the least bit surprised when our Libertarian petitioner's plastic grin quickly devolved into an angry scowl when he realized that he didn't have the ammunition to win over someone who was even marginally informed.

These are not merely philosophical questions. Late last week, financial reform legislation was watered down at the last minute to ensure its passage. After what happened in 2008, opposing real reform in areas like derivatives and the so-called "Volcker Rules" defies logic. With unemployment hovering around 10 percent thanks to a recession precipitated by a near financial industry collapse, I don't agree with Ronald Reagan. I'm not scared of the government trying to help. But I am terrified of an unfettered free market allowing industry leaders, whether they be in the financial industry or the oil business, ruled by greed, putting the country at risk to unfairly further line their already bulging pockets.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   8:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: A K A Stone (#84)

People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you. The state you live in has nothing to do with a person being good or bad, conservative or liberal. It is a silly position to attack from.

I agree.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-03-12   9:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: GrandIsland (#91)

Willingly stay in a Nazi state...

Like Steve Bannon.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-12   10:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: GrandIsland (#91)

Destroy Narcan

So some tènage girl who made a mistkae dies?

Wouldnt it be better to help people when you can instead od just letting them die?

I know it is their mistake and it would be their own fault.

But if you can help someone having problems to overcome their obstacles wouldn't that be a better world?

Believe it or not people who use drugs aren't all bad people worthy of death.

Sometimes someones child out of curiosity will try these drugs. I'd rather they be given narcan and a chance to get on the right track.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-12   10:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Gatlin (#96)

Poor guy, he didn't realize he was approaching a liberal blogger and his progressive friends.

So - a self admitted progressive liberal says Reagan was incorrect?

Seems like those are the only types of low-lifes you use as sources in your obsessive rants against libertarian principles.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-03-12   12:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Deckard (#100)

BAM-BAM….You sure killed off the messenger in a typical Paultard libertarian fashion.

Screw whatever his message was …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   12:47:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Gatlin (#89)

Since you obviously have extreme difficulty with satire -

I don't. But satire only works when conducted by serious writers who can write about topic in an intelligent, critical fashion. When employed by people without that skill, the audience cannot tell it is satire because it is not materially different from their ordinary writings.

Next time, please leave satire to the professionals.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-12   12:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Pinguinite (#102) (Edited)

Next time, please leave satire to the professionals.

No!

I'll act like I am a libertarian....I'll do whatever I want to and call it: FREEDOM.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   13:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Gatlin (#103)

I'll act like I am a libertarian....I'll do whatever I want to and call it: FREEDOM.

Very good. If you do it right, maybe you'll learn something.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-12   13:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Pinguinite (#104) (Edited)

I'll act like I am a libertaria n...
Very good. If you do it right, maybe you'll learn something.

Learn something?
     Like learning about Aleppo

ROTFLMAO …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   13:42:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Gatlin (#101)

Screw whatever his message was …

If a message comes from a self-admitted progressive, you can be sure Gatlin agrees with it.

Especially if the message is critical of libertarianism.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-03-12   14:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Deckard (#106)

If a message comes from a self-admitted progressive,

Odd....wasn't one of your libertraian asshole buddies banned for a period for posting LIES on this forum?

Sure he was....and you know it.

Now, tell me about LIBERTARIAN LIARS ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-12   15:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: A K A Stone (#98)

Like Steve Bannon.

Steve Bannon doesn't bend you over, and USE your site to call everyone that isn't a paultard KOOK, a bootlicker.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-12   15:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: A K A Stone (#99)

So some tènage girl who made a mistkae dies?

Injecting heroin into your arm is a "mistake"?

Shit, you might as well call it a disease, like your kook posting base. How WEAK of you.

What happens in the wild when an animal makes a mistake? Liberalness can't thrive without your WEAKNESS. I never took you for a snowflake. You aren't gonna start rioting because big bad mean Trump is in office, are ya?

I think I'm pretty much finished with this paultard palace, PaultardFlame.org. You run a filthy drug addict loving hippie shithole... and I think the limited posters and discussion you get is well deserved on your part.

You'll always have a few new kooks that get evicted from normal political forums like FR...but if you haven't figured it out, most of your posters are old kook assholes. Soon, after they die off, it will be just you... posting religious articles to only Bucky... when you inevitably let him back in like you do the pro fag rights posters. Hell, you might as well invite Meguro back.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-12   15:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Gatlin (#107)

I've had enough of this cesspool... and with Trump in office, there are PLENTY more political blogs that have better articles posted than YELLA paultard shit over and over.

I wish you luck, stay under the radar... and never allow anyone to use your kindness for weakness. Then you're part of the enabling problem.

Keep my email. Stay in touch.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-03-12   15:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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