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Title: Donald Trump Weakens State Dept As Vladimir Putin Would Want
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzYjebmHlPM
Published: Mar 9, 2017
Author: TRMS/MSNBC
Post Date: 2017-03-09 09:44:17 by Willie Green
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Views: 20310
Comments: 152
Poster Comment: Tillerson is Putin's sockpuppet.
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#2. To: Willie Green (#0)
This happened back in January. Why should Trump have to work with Obama appointees? He wants his own people there.
Trump is damaging the State Department Infrastrucure... the Institutional Memory that provides stability, congruity & continuity to our foreign policy.
They are confirmed loyal diehard “card carrying” Democrats whose employment span multiple administrations and need to be "drained from the swamp.” Records show that of the roughly $2 million that federal workers from 14 agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September [2016], about $1.9 million, or 95 percent, went to the Democratic nominee’s campaign. Employees at all the agencies analyzed, without exception, are sending their campaign contributions overwhelmingly to Clinton over her Republican counterpart. Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.” How about “them” apples….Willy?
Yeah... but they're AMERICANs, DAMMIT... And fuckin' Putin has no goddam business meddling in our affairs... Trump should be impeached & tried for High Treason...
Finally a guy who can explain to me this mystery :) How exactly Putin meddles in American politics?
HUNDREDS of ways,just like every other national leader meddles in the politics of every other government on the planet in order to seek better deals for his or her own nation. It's a prime part of the job.
HUNDREDS of ways,just like every other national leader meddles in the politics of every other government on the planet in order to seek better deals for his or her own nation. It's a prime part of the job. I know, but I expected something more spectacular - like Russian hackers falsifying American elections or at least putting some stuff in Mrs Clinton's coffee to make her say stupid things during her presidential campaign.
Clearly, the Xlinton campaign was totally inept at computer security. Their own fault, particularly Podesta's emails. Their errors were pretty much self-inflicted. To the extent that the Russians "hacking" (i.e. revealing that the DNC stacked the deck against Bernie, the true disparaging opinions of Xlinton insiders like Podesta toward their own voters) affected the election, it was because the voters had accurate info about the candidate and how much she and the Xlinton gang despised pretty much everyone. As SoS, Hitlery did meddle in Vlad's 2011 election, more to delegitimize his inevitable election rather than a serious attempt to unseat him. So Vlad was, in many ways, trying to return the favor to her. We should not too readily dismiss a certain Russian habit of revenge for perceived insulting behavior. I don't think the Russians ever imagined, any more than anyone else in the West, that Trump would actually beat Hillary. I do think that Vlad would find delegitimizing the American election, worthwhile in itself but even more so against Hitlery, to be in his own interests as he is not a fan of democracy to begin with. He tolerates it, or at least the trappings of it. Vlad made a typical Russian play to downgrade a democratic election in the leading Western country with an eye to upcoming elections in the EU, eastern Europe and Turkey. Russia is authoritarian and prefers to deal with other autocratic regimes.
Hell,I voted for Trump,and even I didn't think he was going to win.
I voted for Trump and knew he was going to win. I knew it when he announced. I knew it would resonate with regular folks.
I was telling your forum he'd win as soon threw his red MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat in the ring... and your PAULTARD posting cult that lives here mocked me. Trump, making America AMERICAN again, one smelly illegal alien at a time. (That's my original quote, you may use that).
Most of the people here you call paultards voted for Trump. Tpaine, pinguinite, sneakypete. You dont call randge a paultard but i think she supported him too.
Tpaine remains a paultard for willingly living in the worst Nazi state, KOOKIFONIA. Stinky will remain a paultard for his LIBERALtarian love for fags. pinguinite, I pay no attention to. Either way, I personally don't care if any one of our sites geriatric hippies supported Trump. He would have still won without the three votes... and the three you speak of, lick the boots of Decktard and hondope... sleep with dogs, wake with fleas.
the three you speak of, lick the boots of Decktard and hondope... Report to the sobriety checkpoint, comrade.
Don't deny that there are several Timmy Mcveigh boot lickers here that worship all the anti gov koolaid
Ronald Reagan: The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Reagan Was Wrong:
Awh, WTH….I’ll go ahead and post it for you and save you from clicking: I was tailgating with my wife and two friends in the parking lot of Miller Park before a Brewers game yesterday, when a guy with a pasted-on, plastic, local-news-anchor smile approached our group. He wanted us to sign a petition to get his "buddy" on the ballot for state treasurer. Of course, the first question I asked him was which party his "buddy" belonged to, and the guy told us he was a Libertarian. Poor guy, he didn't realize he was approaching a liberal blogger and his progressive friends. Not an audience that was going to easily buy what he had to sell. I politely told him that I wouldn't support a Libertarian candidate, and like a telemarketer dutifully and mechanically following a script provided to him to handle rejection, he asked why I didn't support Libertarians. I explained that I did not harbor a dislike or distrust of government, and that I thought there were certain jobs that only government could do. Without removing the wooden smile from his face, he moved to the next page of his telemarketer script and asked me if he could have one minute to "rebate" what I had said, and he proceeded to tell us that the free market is perfectly efficient and the best way to solve problems. I started to laugh and told him that, yes, the financial collapse two years ago was a great example of the market solving problems. And also, another great example was the oil pouring into the Gulf of Mexico. My wife and friends joined in the laughter, and our Libertarian guest could no longer maintain his fake smile. His voice and facial expression turned angry, and he stormed off to the next group of tailgaters, spitting out something barely intelligible at us as he left. I thought this interaction perfectly encapsulated the anti-government, pro-market-solution obsession currently running through the right, especially among tea baggers and self-proclaimed libertarians. They love to cite Ronald Reagan's line that the "nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" But I'm far more afraid of someone telling me, "I'm a Libertarian (or Tea Party member) and the market will save you." You would think from listening to the rhetoric that we have two choices in this country: Either you adopt the right's notion of deregulation and an unfettered free market, or you are a socialist. There is no in-between. Which is, of course, patently false, but also maddeningly ignorant of recent American history. Taking the financial industry as an example, after the election of Franklin Roosevelt, Congress quickly enacted legislation, like the Securities Act of 1933, the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall), and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, meant to curb the excesses of an unfettered financial system, which had led to the stock market crash of 1929 and the depression that ensued. And for the next 45 years, the country was able to avoid any mass financial collapses. Then, beginning with Reagan, and continuing through George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, and reaching its peak with the ultimate deregulation messiah, George W. Bush, the government took down the post- Depression financial regulation structure brick by brick, following a mantra that deregulation helped the market to function freely, and a free market will produce the best results. What did we get? The savings and loan scandal, the Enron- induced power outages in California, corporate fraud (Enron, etc.) and, ultimately, a financial industry run amok (arcane financial instruments, insanely risky investments that banks profited from regardless of their success, and credit rating agencies handing out AAA ratings like candy to keep customers, just to name some examples), all leading to a near financial collapse that plunged the country (and the rest of the world) into a job-sapping, deep recession. All evidence would seem to point to the need for some regulation to keep the banks from running amok, but the right still clings to its mantra of deregulation and unfettered free markets. I also thought it was not a coincidence that not once, not twice, but three times during his two-minute pitch to us, our Libertarian petitioner talked of having the opportunity to "rebate" what I had said about his cause. (Not "rebut" or "debate" or whatever else he actually meant, but "rebate," which had me secretly hoping he had a way to refund to us some of our time he had wasted.) It was fitting because so much of the right wing/Tea Party/libertarian anger is based on false notions (much of it, no doubt, a product of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the right wing media misinformation machine), and the urgency of his words was not supported by a basic ability to use the English language to make an argument, leaving the content of his claims even more suspect. I can already hear the complaints now: I'm an elitist snob for chiding someone for making a mistake. If I was pointing out that, say, the guy who scanned our tickets at the Miller Park gate had been less than smooth with his words, I would deserve the criticism (that didn't happen, it's just an example). But here was a guy who was so sure of his beliefs, he not only gave up a Sunday to walk around a baseball stadium parking lot to collect signatures (admirable commitment), but he felt empowered to tell everyone there that he was right and they were wrong. And if you are going to take such a position and hold yourself out as an authority, it is fair to question the knowledge and intelligence underlying the strong assertions. Our Libertarian petitioner's certainty isn't just simplistic, it is a real impediment to solving our country's problems. The alternative to unfettered free markets is not socialism, but rather, it is free markets with basic regulations in place to prevent abuse, just like the financial regulation architecture that protected the country after the Great Depression. (Somehow, I don't think we were living in a socialist state when Eisenhower and Nixon held the presidency.) I know subtlety is a lost art in modern politics, but if we are to survive, we will have to recognize that there are more than two extreme choices. These same right wingers don't seem to mind when the government subsidizes the oil industry, and I doubt that they want to shut down the libraries, public schools, fire departments, and highway maintenance departments, all of which are run by the government (and would not exist if left to a private, free-market model). Conservatives, tea baggers and libertarians want you to think it's a simple dichotomous choice: free markets or socialism, or no government or all government. But such a reductionist view fails to account for how complicated and integrated the relationship between public and private actually is. (Yes, I know, asking for nuance rather than black-and-white distinctions is tragically 20th century.) Let's remember the angry town hall attendees last summer telling members of Congress to keep their government hands off of their Medicare. Even they liked a government program, but they didn't even know it. There was one aspect of our Libertarian petitioner's approach that especially rang true to me: The false smile covering his real anger. Tea Party leaders are quick to say there is no place in their movement for racism, but at those same rallies you see racist signs about President Obama. Let's not forget the March Harris poll that revealed that 57 percent of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim, and 45 percent think he wasn't born in the United States. Somehow, I doubt these people would be concerned about the religion or place of birth of John Kerry, Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, let alone John McCain, Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani. When right wingers talk about taking "their" country back, it's hard to see "their" as meaning anything but a system in which power rested in white, male, Christian hands. When tea baggers put a happy, smiley face on the movement, I can't help but be wary of the angry snarl underneath. So I wasn't the least bit surprised when our Libertarian petitioner's plastic grin quickly devolved into an angry scowl when he realized that he didn't have the ammunition to win over someone who was even marginally informed. These are not merely philosophical questions. Late last week, financial reform legislation was watered down at the last minute to ensure its passage. After what happened in 2008, opposing real reform in areas like derivatives and the so-called "Volcker Rules" defies logic. With unemployment hovering around 10 percent thanks to a recession precipitated by a near financial industry collapse, I don't agree with Ronald Reagan. I'm not scared of the government trying to help. But I am terrified of an unfettered free market allowing industry leaders, whether they be in the financial industry or the oil business, ruled by greed, putting the country at risk to unfairly further line their already bulging pockets.
So - a self admitted progressive liberal says Reagan was incorrect? Seems like those are the only types of low-lifes you use as sources in your obsessive rants against libertarian principles.
BAM-BAM….You sure killed off the messenger in a typical Paultard libertarian fashion. Screw whatever his message was …
If a message comes from a self-admitted progressive, you can be sure Gatlin agrees with it. Especially if the message is critical of libertarianism.
Odd....wasn't one of your libertraian asshole buddies banned for a period for posting LIES on this forum? Sure he was....and you know it. Now, tell me about LIBERTARIAN LIARS ...
#110. To: Gatlin (#107)
I've had enough of this cesspool... and with Trump in office, there are PLENTY more political blogs that have better articles posted than YELLA paultard shit over and over. I wish you luck, stay under the radar... and never allow anyone to use your kindness for weakness. Then you're part of the enabling problem. Keep my email. Stay in touch.
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#4. To: misterwhite (#2)
Why should Trump have to work with Obama appointees?
They're not partisan appointees.
They're career staffers who span multiple administrations.
#12. To: Willie Green, misterwhite (#4)
They're not partisan appointees.
Some are partisan appointees while the majority are not….but they are worse than partisan appointees.
They're career staffers who span multiple administrations.
#13. To: Gatlin (#12)
They are confirmed loyal diehard “card carrying” Democrats whose employment span multiple administrations and need to be "drained from the swamp.”
#19. To: Willie Green (#13)
And fuckin' Putin has no goddam business meddling in our affairs...
#32. To: A Pole (#19)
How exactly Putin meddles in American politics?
#33. To: sneakypete, ConservingFreedom, Willie Green, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#32)
"How exactly Putin meddles in American politics?
#45. To: A Pole, ConservingFreedom (#33)
I know, but I expected something more spectacular - like Russian hackers falsifying American elections or at least putting some stuff in Mrs Clinton's coffee to make her say stupid things during her presidential campaign.
#48. To: Tooconservative (#45)
I don't think the Russians ever imagined, any more than anyone else in the West, that Trump would actually beat Hillary.
#49. To: sneakypete (#48)
Hell,I voted for Trump,and even I didn't think he was going to win.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#49)
#56. To: GrandIsland, randge (#54)
#58. To: A K A Stone (#56)
#64. To: GrandIsland, deckard, sneakypete, tpaine, pinguinite (#58)
Tpaine, pinguinite, sneakypete.
#78. To: hondo68 (#64)
#85. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#78)
Don't deny that there are several Timmy Mcveigh boot lickers here that worship all the anti gov koolaid
#95. To: Deckardm GrandIsland, Pinguinite (#85)
Ronald Reagan:
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
The Nine Most Terrifying Words Are, “I’m a Libertarian and the Market Will Save You” .
#96. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, Pinguinite (#95)
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#100. To: Gatlin (#96)
Poor guy, he didn't realize he was approaching a liberal blogger and his progressive friends.
#101. To: Deckard (#100)
#106. To: Gatlin (#101)
Screw whatever his message was …
#107. To: Deckard (#106)
If a message comes from a self-admitted progressive,
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