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Title: 4th Circuit Upholds Maryland's 'Assault Weapon' Ban
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Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/blog/2017/02/22/ ... t-upholds-marylands-assault-we
Published: Feb 22, 2017
Author: Jacob Sullum
Post Date: 2017-02-22 21:04:53 by Hondo68
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Keywords: not protected by, the Second Amendment, 81 listed gun models
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Yesterday a federal appeals court upheld Maryland's ban on so-called assault weapons, saying ownership of such guns is "not protected by the Second Amendment." The decision, by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, overturned a 2016 ruling by a three-judge panel of the same court that said Maryland's law should be subject to "strict scrutiny" because it imposes a "substantial burden" on the right to keep and bear arms. Maryland's "assault weapon" ban, which it expanded after the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, bans the sale or transfer of 81 listed gun models, along with "their copies," plus all semiautomatic centerfire rifles that accept detachable magazines and have two or more of these features: a folding stock, a grenade/flare launcher, or a flash suppressor. The law also bans the sale or transfer of magazines than can hold more than 10 rounds. Violators (buyers as well as sellers) can go to prison for up to three years. The question at the heart of the case, Kolbe v. Hogan, is whether the guns and magazines that Maryland banned qualify as "dangerous and unusual weapons," which the Supreme Court has indicated are outside the scope of the Second Amendment. That category, the Court said in the landmark Second Amendment case District of Columbia v. Heller, includes "weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like." By contrast, weapons "in common use for lawful purposes" are included in the constitutional right to armed self-defense. In Kolbe, the 10-judge majority concludes that the guns and magazines covered by Maryland's ban are "dangerous and unusual" because they are "exceptionally lethal weapons of war" that are not appropriate for civilian use: "We are convinced that the banned assault weapons and large-capacity magazines are among those arms that are 'like' 'M-16 rifles'—'weapons that are most useful in military service'—which the Heller Court singled out as being beyond the Second Amendment's reach." The four dissenters, by contrast, note that "assault weapons" and "large-capacity magazines" are indisputably "in common use for lawful purposes," since they are owned by millions of law-abiding Americans: "As long as the weapon chosen is one commonly possessed by the American people for lawful purposes—and the rifles at issue here most certainly are—the state has very little say about whether its citizens should keep it in their homes for protection." Contrary to the majority's assertion that the guns Maryland banned are similar to the M-16, none of them is capable of automatic fire. The majority's judgment that folding stocks, flare launchers, and flash suppressors make rifles "exceptionally lethal" is dubious. It is also irrelevant, because the Supreme Court did not say the Second Amendment allows bans on exceptionally lethal weapons. It said the Second Amendment allows bans on "dangerous and unusual" weapons that are not "in common use for lawful purposes," and that description plainly does not apply to rifles that are among the most popular in the country. The argument that magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds are more lethal than smaller magazines is more logical but still irrelevant, since "large-capacity magazines" are very common, sold standard with many handguns and rifles. Despite the apparent conflict with Heller (and with McDonald v. Chicago, which extended Heller's logic to state and local governments), the Supreme Court so far has not agreed to review any decisions dealing with "assault weapon" bans. In addition to the 4th Circuit, two other federal appeals courts—the D.C. Circuit and the 7th Circuit—have upheld such laws since Heller, while the 9th Circuit has upheld a local law restricting magazine size. In 2015, when the Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal of the 7th Circuit's decision, Justice Clarence Thomas vigorously dissented. "The Seventh Circuit ultimately upheld a ban on many common semiautomatic firearms based on speculation about the law's potential policy benefits," Thomas wrote. "If a broad ban on firearms can be upheld based on conjecture that the public might feel safer (while being no safer at all), then the Second Amendment guarantees nothing....The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting. Under our precedents, that is all that is needed for citizens to have a right under the Second Amendment to keep such weapons." While both the D.C. Circuit and the 7th Circuit recognized (or assumed) that "assault weapon" bans implicate the Second Amendment, even if they ultimately pass constitutional muster, the 4th Circuit says Maryland's law has nothing to do with the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. "In concluding that the Second Amendment does not even apply," the dissenters say, "the majority has gone to greater lengths than any other court to eviscerate the constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms." The appeals court says the prohibited guns and magazines are outside the scope of the Second Amendment.
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
You should see class reunion photos... ain't nobody there. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Nothing like a court getting it completely ass-backwards,is it? It is MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS,INCLUDING MACHINE GUNS that are protected by the 2nd Amendment,NOT hunting guns. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
It is MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS,INCLUDING MACHINE GUNS that are protected by the 2nd Amendment,NOT hunting guns. " Yup ! Because the men in black dresses banging on the furniture do not rule based on reality, they rule based on their fantasy, the way they want it to be. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
You watch, all the sheeple will stay in that state and pay that state taxes for their slavery. I'd leave and let the gunless libtard sheep fund all the states bills and fill all the jobs of the socialist companies that remain. This will never be fixed until this country divides. We don't need a wall. We need folks to migrate to other states that offer less welfare, no gun regulations... a more conservative environment. THEN and only then, will the over sensitized, self important sheeple will pay for what they want... because all the lazy, drug addicted, entitled and welfare muts will STAY in the states where the libtards REMAIN... and Hollywood and the other kooks can fund that shit on their own. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Probably the most ignorant statement I've read about the most ignorant ruling ever issued. The second amendment protects ONLY weapons that are useful in military service from FEDERAL infringement in order to preserve the effectiveness of state militias. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's what the second amendment says and that's what it means.
Yeah, I have a 2nd cousin that lives there. Told him he should get out. His wife's dad has a business there that they will probably inherit, so they stay. He was amazed at the guns we have. He has never been in the military. He is primarily a Fudd, and not an active one either. I have told him that the day will come that he will regret staying. He is a good kid, but he is Catholic, raised as a liberal. Oh well.
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
We are a dying breed. It is what it is. At least I have some solace knowing the next 8 years will be ran by a president that will call a spade a spade... even if it isn't politically correct. I hope Trump hurts the feelings of millions... until they toughen up I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Or, better yet, until they move to another country ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
You got it, brother. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It is MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS,INCLUDING MACHINE GUNS that are protected by the 2nd Amendment,NOT hunting guns. " Yeah. Unfortunately, the original authors, many of whom were lawyers themselves, did not pen the 2nd amend so that it would be tamper proof. They apparently did not anticipate the kind of asswipes we have today making the ridiculous arguments in the legislature, or in the courts, and from the bench. Damn Therefore, to correct that over site, and to protect the 2nd amendment for all time, I would suggest the following addition to the Second Amendment: " It is MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS,INCLUDING MACHINE GUNS that are protected by the 2nd Amendment,AND hunting guns. FURTHERMORE, ANYONE that publicly authors, advocates for, and publicly goes on record by voting for ANY infringement of the 2nd Amendment, will immediately be seized by a detachment of US Marines, taken outside, stood up in front of a wall, and shot as a Traitor to the US Constitution. This provision will apply to ANY government official, federal, state, county, or city, including executives, bureaucrats, legislators, judges, etc, If Marines are unavailable, then common voting age citizens are authorized to carry out this provision. ". This should take the "gun control" argument off the table. No more endless baseless arguments picking fly specks out of the pepper. After Chucky Schmucky, Fineswine, and a few others are gone, Govt officials will then have a new found reverence for the 2nd amendment. Problem solved Anyone have further suggestions ? Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
This discussed it using the words and terms of their times,and when it comes to personal armament,they wrote the "citizen is free to own and possess weapons typical of the common infantry soldier so that when they show up to answer the call to arms they are armed with the proper weapons." It today's America,that would be machine guns and grenade launchers. Since belt-fed machine guns are "crew-served weapons",they would remain in the village/city armory ready to be picked up and put to use by the crew of citizen soldiers picked to man them,same as the artillery. The Second Amendment has NOTHING to do with self-defense,hunting,or gun collecting. It exists entirely to assure that any future army of citizen soldiers that may be called up to take up arms to fight against a professional army that has taken over control of America have the same firearms as the professionals they would be fighting. In Colonial days,each village or town had a powder magazine where they stored the cannons,cannon balls,and black powder. In coastal towns,ship owners had the right to equip their merchant ships with cannons because in the event of an emergency their ships would be seized and put to use fighting against an invading enemy fleet. The equivalent of that today are our National Guard Armories that come under the command of each state's governor. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
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#2. To: GrandIsland, for the children (#1)
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The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: hondo68, *Bill of Rights-Constitution* (#0)
The question at the heart of the case, Kolbe v. Hogan, is whether the guns and magazines that Maryland banned qualify as "dangerous and unusual weapons," which the Supreme Court has indicated are outside the scope of the Second Amendment. That category, the Court said in the landmark Second Amendment case District of Columbia v. Heller, includes "weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like." By contrast, weapons "in common use for lawful purposes" are included in the constitutional right to armed self-defense.
#4. To: sneakypete (#3)
" Nothing like a court getting it completely ass-backwards,is it?
#5. To: Stoner (#4)
#6. To: hondo68 (#0)
'weapons that are most useful in military service' ... which the Heller Court singled out as being beyond the Second Amendment's reach."
#7. To: GrandIsland (#5)
#8. To: Stoner (#7)
raised as a liberal. Oh well.
#9. To: GrandIsland (#8)
" I hope Trump hurts the feelings of millions... until they toughen up "
#10. To: Stoner (#9)
Or, better yet, until they move to another country !
#11. To: sneakypete (#3)
" Nothing like a court getting it completely ass-backwards,is it?
#12. To: Stoner (#11)
(Edited)
Yeah. Unfortunately, the original authors, many of whom were lawyers themselves, did not pen the 2nd amend so that it would be tamper proof.
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