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Title: BREAKING NEWS - Federal court HALTS Trump's immigration ban: Emergency stay is granted to temporarily block deportation of people detained at US airports, dealing President a major blow
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... NDS-immigration-ban-order.html
Published: Jan 28, 2017
Author: Clemence Michallon For Dailymail.com and
Post Date: 2017-01-28 21:42:10 by cranky
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  • Federal court on Saturday evening granted a stay blocking the deportation of detained migrants for now
  • The president on Saturday defended his executive order banning migrants and refugees from the US
  • Reports of dozens of people being stopped from entering the US or booted off airplanes have been pouring in
  • Twelve refugees were also detained at New York's JFK airport on Friday night, prompting a massive protest
  • An Iranian scientist was meant to study cardiovascular medicine at Harvard but his visa has been suspended
  • Meanwhile seven migrants were stopped from boarding a flight to New York from Cairo on Saturday

A federal court has granted an emergency stay blocking the deportation of migrants detained at airports around the United States due to Donald Trump's immigration ban.

The federal court for the Eastern District of New York issued the stay Saturday evening after only two of 12 refugees held at JFK airport were released, after 14 and 24 hours respectively. The ACLU had filed a petition on their behalf, but the stay is effective nationwide. Under the stay, none of the travelers held at airports across the nation can be sent back.

Donald Trump on Saturday defended his tough new immigration measures, which prompted outrage as migrants were barred from entering the United States, including families of refugees, legal permanent residents and Ivy League students.

The president denied that his executive order, which bars refugees and citizens of seven predominantly Muslim countries from entering the US, was a Muslim ban.

He maintained that the ban was 'working very nicely' while chaos broke out in airports as migrants were stopped and some non-American citizens realized they were now barred from the country where they were studying or had lived, perhaps for years.

Trump's comments came as seven refugees bound for the US were stopped from boarding a plane in Cairo on Saturday and 12 migrants were detained in New York overnight because they arrived just after the executive order was signed, prompting a massive protest and a cab strike. Additional reports of dozens of people being stopped from entering the US or booted off airplanes have been pouring in.

President Donald Trump on Saturday defended his executive order barring refugees and citizens of seven predominantly Muslim countries from entering the country

'It's not a Muslim ban, but we are totally prepared,' Trump told reporters in the Oval Office Saturday afternoon, according to The Hill.

'It's working out very nicely. You see it in the airports, you see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we are going to have a very, very strict ban and we are going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years.'

Panic broke out after Department of Homeland Security issued a directive at 4:30 pm on Friday enforcing Trump's executive order to close down the borders to refugees and visa holders from a list of banned Muslim-majority countries.

In addition to Iran, the other countries on Trump's blacklist are Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia.

Reports of people being detained were coming from all around the United States on Saturday. 'They're literally pouring in by the minute,' director of the International Refugee Assistance Project Becca Heller told the New York Times.

About 50 people were held at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, USA Today reported. Fifty people were also detained at Dulles International Airport, where protesters gathered. Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe and Attorney General Mark Herring have said the state could take legal action against the ban.

One Yale student said he would be unable to attend the prestigious Ivy League university. Another student from the Massachusetts Institute Of Technology said he was barred from boarding a plane.

A Stanford University student, a Sudanese national and legal permanent resident with a green card, was held for eight hours at JFK before being able to return to California.

An Iranian scientist was meant to fly to Boston to study cardiovascular medicine at Harvard but has now had his visa suspended indefinitely.

'This outstanding young scientist has enormous potential to make contributions that will improve our understanding of heart disease, and he has already been thoroughly vetted,' Professor Thomas Michel, who was going to supervise the student, told The New York Times.

Up to 13 people were detained at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, KUOW reported.

Two families of six from Syria were affected. One was supposed to relocate to Cleveland, Ohio, after having to flee their home in 2014. But their trip has now been canceled.

Another family of six from the war-torn country was detained at Philadelphia International Airport Saturday morning even though they had required legal documents and approved green cards and visas.

Plane passengers were turned away in Dubai and Istanbul, including at least one family who got ejected from a flight.

Four legal permanent residents with green cards coming home to Atlanta from Iran were detained, an attorney told WSBTV reporter Matt Johnson.

The fallout from Trump's immigration crackdown grew on Saturday. The visa ban sparked fear for some refugees who were already on their way to the US when the order came into effect and were detained on arrival.

It is not clear how many refugees or visa holders are already being detained across the country. Twelve refugees were held in New York City's JFK on Friday night. Cabs at the airport went on strike for an hour from 6 pm to 7 pm to protest against the ban. Travelers reported that police stopped allowing people without plane tickets onto the Air Train, which goes to the airport terminals, during the evening.

Governor Andrew Cuomo, however, ordered authorities to let protesters onto the Air Train, saying in a statement relayed by ABC that 'one of the fundamental rights that is granted to the people of this country is the right to peacefully protest'.

Hameed Khalid Darweesh, one of the Iraqi refugees who was detained for 14 hours at New York, was released on Saturday afternoon. The second detainee, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, was released around 7 pm on Saturday after 24 hours.

Darweesh, 53, had arrived in America on a flight from Istanbul on Friday night, just hours after Trump implemented the immigration ban.

He had worked for the US government in Iraq for 10 years as a translator, engineer and contractor and had a valid special immigration visa to relocate to America.

Alshawi, 33 - who was approved for a visa on January 11 - was flying to America to join his wife and son in Texas. 'I'm sleepy and tired and exhausted,' he told the New York Post after being released Saturday.

Darweesh pumped his fist in the air outside the airport following his release, as a crowd of supporters cheered him on.

'First of all I want to thank the people that take care of me and support me. This is the humility, this is the soul of America,' he told a crowd gathered outside the airport.

'This is what pushed me to move - leave my country and come here. America is the land of freedom… America is the greatest nation, the greatest people in the world.'

Asked what he thought of Trump he said: 'I don't know. He's a president, I'm a normal person.'

He was travelling with his wife and three children at the time but they were not detained. They were heading to Charlotte, North Carolina to start their new life in America.

Lawyers for Darweesh and another Iraqi Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, who is still detained at JFK, filed a lawsuit on Saturday morning in a bid to have them released.

The two men were on separate flights when immigration officials stopped them on Friday night and took their passports when they landed in New York.

Ten other refugees are still being held at JFK airport.

Meanwhile, Cairo airport officials said seven US-bound migrants - six from Iraq and one from Yemen - were prevented from boarding an EgyptAir flight to New York's JFK airport.

The officials said the seven migrants, escorted by officials from the UN refugee agency, were stopped from boarding the plane on Saturday after authorities at Cairo airport contacted their counterparts in JFK airport.

The action at Cairo airport was the first there since Trump imposed the three-month ban on refugees.

Dutch airline KLM says it had to turn away seven would-be passengers because they would no longer have been accepted into the United States.

'We would love to bring them there. That's not the problem. It's just that this is what the U.S. sprang on the rest of the world - that these people are no longer welcome,' Manel Vrijenhoek, at KLM's press office, said.

She said the seven, who were from the seven blacklisted countries, were due to fly with KLM from different airports around the world.

The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee said there was chaos at airports and in the air following Trump's ban with the organization already receiving calls for help from green card and other visa holders after being refused admission.

'Visas being denied immediately. Chaos at airports and in the air. #MuslimBan will apply to green card holders attempting to return tonight,' the ADC's Abed Ayoub tweeted on Friday night.

Trump's ban puts a 90-day pause on visas and immigration from seven countries including Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Iran, Libya, Yemen and Somalia.

The order also puts a 120-day ban on all refugee entries into the country and declares that refugees from Syria are not welcome until further notice.

After that period of time, refugees will be accepted only from countries that the State and Homeland Security Departments decide are safe to work with.

Iran's foreign ministry suggested the country would limit issuing visas to American tourists in retaliation for Trump's suspension of immigration and visas.

The official IRNA news agency carried a statement by the Iranian foreign ministry on Saturday that said Iran will resort to 'counteraction' to Trump's executive order.

'Iran, to defend the dignity of the great Iranian nation, will implement the principle of reciprocity until the removal of the insulting restriction against Iranian nationals,' the statement read.

'It will apply corresponding legal, consular and political actions.'

The two countries have had no diplomatic relations since 1979 when militants stormed the U.S. embassy.

Google urged its staff travelling overseas on Friday to immediately return to the U.S. if they would be affected by the order.

CEO Sundar Pichai issued a memo slamming Trump's order saying 100 employees were affected, Bloomberg reports.

The tech company feared its employees, even though they have valid visas, would be stopped from returning to the country.

Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg hit out at Trump condemning his anti-immigration bans.

'The United States is a nation of immigrants, and we should be proud of that,' Zuckerberg said.

It follows reports that Muslim-majority countries with ties to Trump's business empire have been excluded from the order, Bloomberg reports.

Statistics show Trump doesn't have any business relations with the seven black-listed countries, but does with Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Turkey.

Trump's order declares that US policy is 'to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes.'

It also gives Homeland Security 60 days to begin providing the president with the names of other countries to add to the list.

The nation will limit the total refugee resettlement numbers to 50,000 per year, according to the order.

Trump's executive order declares that the U.S. will 'prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution.' But that only applies when 'the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.'

Also affected by the order is an Oscar-nominated Iranian director, who won't be able to attend the Hollywood award ceremony due to the new immigration bans.

Asghar Farhadi is nominated in the best foreign film category for his movie The Salesman but there are fears he may now not be able to attend next month's Academy Awards.

His native Iran, which is where The Salesman was filmed, is one of seven countries listed in Trump's executive order that has placed a 90-day pause on visas and immigration to the US.

Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council, tweeted on Saturday morning that Farhadi would be banned from attending the Oscars in what has become yet another fallout from Trump's immigration bans.

'Iran's Asghar Farhadi won't be let into the US to attend Oscar's. He's nominated for best foreign language film... #MuslimBan,' he wrote.

An Iranian-born actress who stars in Farhadi's The Salesman vowed to boycott the Oscars over Trump's immigration bans.

Taraneh Alidoosti, the 33-year-old known as the Natalie Portman of Iran, took to Twitter with a message for fans on Thursday.

'Trump's visa ban for Iranians is racist. Whether this will include a cultural event or not, I won't attend the #AcademyAwards 2017 in protest,' she tweeted.

Farhadi won an Oscar in 2012 for his film A Separation.

The Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts and Sciences has backed the director.

'The Academy celebrates achievement in the art of filmmaking, which seeks to transcend borders and speak to audiences around the world, regardless of national, ethnic, or religious differences,' it told EW in a statement. 'As supporters of filmmakers—and the human rights of all people—around the globe, we find it extremely troubling that Asghar Farhadi, the director of the Oscar-winning film from Iran A Separation, along with the cast and crew of this year's Oscar-nominated film The Salesman, could be barred from entering the country because of their religion or country of origin.'

WHO EXACTLY IS BANNED FROM THE U.S?

Any non-U.S. citizen from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia or Yemen is now barred from entering the United States.

That covers legal permanent residents - green card holders - and visa-holders from those seven countries who were out of the United States after Friday, when President Donald Trump signed an executive order with the temporary ban. They cannot return to the U.S. for 90 days.

There's an exemption for immigrants and legal permanent residents whose entry is in the U.S. national interest, but it's unclear how that exemption will be applied.

Visa and green card holders already in the U.S. will be allowed to stay.

Customs and Border Protection is notifying airlines about passengers whose visas have been canceled or legal residents scheduled to fly back to the U.S. Airlines are being told to keep them off those flights.

Source: Associated Press

WHAT WILL TRUMP'S ANTI-IMMIGRATION ORDER DO?

Ban refugee entries from all countries for 120 days. Refugees can be accepted on case-by-case basis, including if they are a religious minority facing religious persecution

Block refugee entries from Syria indefinitely.

Cap refugee intake at 50,000 per year.

Ban visa and immigration entries for 90 days from Muslim-majority countries on banned list, including Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Iran, Libya, Yemen and Somalia.

Suspend visa issuance to countries of particular concern.

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#1. To: cranky, *Islamic caliphate expansion* (#0)

I think this stay only covers those already vetted prior to the EO and in transit.

Regardless...the EO is having the stated effect. Has everyone shaking in their boots.

Saudi Arabia can take in more refugees. Loads of wide open spaces and they are experts in turning desert land into thriving cities.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-29   1:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: cranky (#0)

Federal court HALTS Trump's immigration ban: Emergency stay is granted to temporarily block deportation of people detained at US airports, dealing President a major blow

Replace the judge. Then tighten the ban on the enemy invaders.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-29   1:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2) (Edited)

Federal court HALTS Trump's immigration ban: Emergency stay is granted to temporarily block deportation of people detained at US airports, dealing President a major blow

Replace the judge. Then tighten the ban on the enemy invaders.

The race is on between those on a devout mission to flood the country with culturall and genetically incompatable invaders versus those trying to prevent it. If the first group wins, we'll become a Marxist conquered third world country.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-29   4:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: cranky (#0)

The ACLU had filed a petition on their behalf, but the stay is effective nationwide.

This part is interesting. The EDNY orders a stay, and it has effect nationwide? Not just in the EDNY, or the 2nd Circuit?

I'm sure there's a reason why that would be so, but assuming that it is so, that only lasts until one of the circuits hears the case and disagrees.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-29   8:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: rlk (#2)

" Replace the judge. Then tighten the ban on the enemy invaders. "

Exactly !!!

The only thing to stop the removal would be jerks in Congress, like McConnell, McStain, Lady Graham, Ryan, etc, etc.

Congress can impeach fed Judges, IF THEY WILL DO IT !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-01-29   10:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

This part is interesting.

A related article:

Obama-Appointed, Schumer-Allied Judge Blocks Trump on Deportations

Obama-appointed Federal Judge Ann Donnelly has blocked deportations of foreign nationals who have been detained at American airports in the last day.

The legal maneuver follows an executive order issued by President Trump Friday calling for temporary visa restrictions on seven countries connected to radical Islamic terrorism.

The suit had been filed by the ACLU on behalf of two Iraqi refugees who were detained at New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport, despite that both men were later released. NBC reports that a Trump administration official said waivers would be granted for the two men.

That didn’t stop Judge Donnelly from granting the stay for others — blocking anyone with a valid visa from being detained and keeping those stranded at airports from being deported. It does not mean they have to be released from detention.

NBC also reported that the ACLU attorneys and a crowd outside the Federal Court in Brooklyn were elated by the ruling:

“Stay is granted,” ACLU Voting Rights Project Director Dale Ho said on Twitter. “Stay is national.”

Crowds outside federal court in Brooklyn cheered the news. The ACLU said the judge ordered a list of detainees to be provided, and said it would go through the names and ensure they are released.

“But the critical point tonight is no one can be sent back to one of these countries,” attorney Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project, said.

Judge Donnelly was appointed by President Obama on the recommendation of current Senate Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY.), who said about Donnely at the time, according to the Brooklyn Daily Eagle:

“Ann Donnelly met all of my qualifications with flying colors,” Schumer continued. “When you speak with Judge Donnelly, what’s immediately clear is her deep respect and passion for the law. Judge Donnelly is more than a brilliant resume, I know her well and at her core she is a kind, thoughtful and compassionate person.”

There was no comment from the White House at press time.

cranky  posted on  2017-01-29   11:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: redleghunter (#1)

the EO is having the stated effect.

And apparently, it is being enforced against the judges's order.

Oh, my.

cranky  posted on  2017-01-29   11:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: cranky (#7)

Trump should say:

"If Judge Ann Donnelly wants her stay and injunction implemented , let her send her armies to enforce it."

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-29   11:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: redleghunter (#8)

"If Judge Ann Donnelly wants her stay and injunction implemented , let her send her armies to enforce it."

That seems to be the response of the rank and file field agents.

This is truly extraordinary, imho.

cranky  posted on  2017-01-29   11:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: cranky (#9)

I alluded in part to Andrew Jackson's encounter with the SCOTUS:

“John Marshall has made his decision;

now let him enforce it.”

Those are the famous words uttered by President Andrew Jackson in relation to U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall’s 1832 decision in Worcester v. Georgia to strike down a Georgia law that imposed regulations on the comings and goings of white people in Native American land.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-29   11:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: cranky (#0)

"Federal court HALTS Trump's immigration ban:"

No. The title should be, "An Obama-appointed federal district court judge halts Trump's immigration ban".

misterwhite  posted on  2017-01-29   11:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: redleghunter (#10)

I alluded in part to Andrew Jackson's encounter with the SCOTUS

I figured as much.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn the custom agents who are ignoring the judge's order are aware of it, also.

cranky  posted on  2017-01-29   11:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: cranky, redleghunter, Stoner, rlk, Vicomte13 (#0)

[Thread Article] Title: BREAKING NEWS - Federal court HALTS Trump's immigration ban: Emergency stay is granted to temporarily block deportation of people detained at US airports, dealing President a major blow

[...]

A federal court has granted an emergency stay blocking the deportation of migrants detained at airports around the United States due to Donald Trump's immigration ban.

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[redleghunter #1] I think this stay only covers those already vetted prior to the EO and in transit.

- - - - - - - - - -

[Vicomte13 #4] The EDNY orders a stay, and it has effect nationwide? Not just in the EDNY, or the 2nd Circuit?

I'm sure there's a reason why that would be so, but assuming that it is so, that only lasts until one of the circuits hears the case and disagrees.

- - - - - - - - - -

https://www.scribd.com/document/337841730/Darweesh-v-Trump-EDNY-17-Civ-480-AMD-Decision-and-Stay-Order-28-Jan-2017

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Despite the screaming headline, the Stay Order has little effect on the Trump Executive Order.

The Stay Order only applies to persons stuck in the neutral zone seeking admission to the United States.

At the Port of Entry one arrives and enters the neutral zone and proceeds to the Immigration control area. If granted admission, one may leave the neutral zone and enter the United States. If one is denied admission, one may not pass Immigration control and is not considered to have entered the country. As such person has not entered the United States and cannot be deported from where he is not at. The person is subject to removal.

These people are essentially in the same status that was enjoyed for a while by Edward Snowden in the neutral zone of a Russian airport. He was not considered to be in Russia, and could not proceed to Ecuador because his passport had been revoked while he was in transit. He was eventually given permission to enter Russia, where he remains.

The stay binds all officials involved with enforcing immigration laws.

The two petitioners of the instant action have both been released, raising the issue of mootness.

This was not a certified class action suit.

This is not about deportation or expulsion of people in the United States, but is about the very different issue of denial of admission of individuals, or of certain classes of individuals, into the United States. On that issue, the power of the President is essentially plenary — it is a matter of presidential discretion as supported by codified law 8 U.S.C. § 1182(f), the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, and the U.S. Supreme Court in Fong Yue Ting v United States, 149 US 698 (1893).

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2013/title-8/chapter-12/subchapter-ii/part-ii/section-1182/

Inadmissible aliens - 8 U.S.C. § 1182 (2013)

8 U.S.C. § 1182(f) (2013)

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

http://www.bu.edu/lawlibrary/PDFs/research/portals/66stat163.pdf

Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, Section 212(e), 66 Stat. 163, 188 (1952), P.L. 414

Suspension of entry by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/149/698/

Fong Yue Ting v United States, 149 US 698 (1893)

Syllabus

The right to exclude or to expel aliens, or any class of aliens, absolutely or upon certain conditions, in war or in peace, is an inherent and inalienable right of every sovereign nation.

MR. JUSTICE GRAY, after stating the facts, delivered the opinion of the Court.

It is an accepted maxim of international law that every sovereign nation has the power, as inherent in sovereignty, and essential to self-preservation, to forbid the entrance of foreigners within its dominions, or to admit them only in such cases and upon such conditions as it may see fit to prescribe.

[...]

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/29/dhs-vows-enforce-donald-trumps-executive-order/

DHS Vows to Enforce Donald Trump’s Executive Order

by Charlie Spiering
Breitbart
29 Jan 2017

The Department of Homeland Security plans to enforce President Donald Trump’s executive order to dramatically reduce immigration from high threat countries in the Middle East.

“The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people,” the agency made in a statement sent to reporters on Sunday. They reminded Americans that only a small percentage of travelers were affected by the new restrictions.

The agency noted that although some individuals were held for further screening, some of them were allowed entry into the United States, despite protesters at area airports describing the order as a “Muslim ban.”

“These individuals went through enhanced security screenings and are being processed for entry to the United States, consistent with our immigration laws and judicial orders,” the department said.

The agency did not signal that they were prepared to back down from the rigorous enforcement of Trump’s executive action.

“The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; faithfully enforce our immigration laws, and implement President Trump’s Executive Orders to ensure that those entering the United States do not pose a threat to our country or the American people,” the statement concluded.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-01-29   11:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: cranky, redleghunter (#7)

And apparently, it is being enforced against the judges's order.

More like it is going to be enforced because the judge's order is not being violated. Holding people in the neutral zone is not removal. And, properly speaking, deportation is not an applicable term.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-01-29   11:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: redleghunter (#10)

" Andrew Jackson's encounter with the SCOTUS:

“John Marshall has made his decision;

now let him enforce it.”

Those are the famous words uttered by President Andrew Jackson in relation to U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall’s 1832 decision in Worcester v. Georgia to strike down a Georgia law that imposed regulations on the comings and goings of white people in Native American land. "

Thank You !

Was trying to tell my wife about that, but could not remember the details, except the " let him enforce it " part.

Damn, getting old sucks.

Thanks again Red !

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Stoner  posted on  2017-01-29   13:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Stoner, redleghunter (#15)

Was trying to tell my wife about that, but could not remember the details, except the " let him enforce it " part.

But be aware that the "quote" has its first known print source by Horace Greeley in 1865, attributed to a dead guy, and is considered apocryphal; a rather fanciful reworking of what Andrew Jackson actually wrote in a letter of April 7, 1832 to General John Coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester_v._Georgia

In a popular quotation that is believed to be apocryphal, President Andrew Jackson reportedly responded: "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!" This derives from Jackson's comments on the case in a letter to John Coffee, "...the decision of the Supreme Court has fell still born, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate".[2]

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[2] Boller, Paul F.; John H. George (1989). They Never Said It: A Book of False Quotes, Misquotes, & False Attributions. New York, NY: Oxford University Press. p. 53. ISBN 978-0-19-506469-8

President Andrew Jackson, letter to General John Coffee (April 7, 1832)

The Cherokee delegates are still here, and it is now believed before they leave here will propose to treat with us for their entire removal. The decision of the supreme court has fell still born, and they find that it cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate, and I believe their leader has expressed despair, and that it is better for them to treat and move. In this he is right, for if orders were issued tomorrow one regiment of militia could not be got to march to save them from destruction and this the opposition know, and if a collision was to take place between them and the Georgians, the arm of the government is not sufficiently strong to preserve them from destruction.

See, e.g., http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/government-politics/worcester-v-georgia-1832

The Cherokee leadership hoped the decision would persuade the federal government to intervene against Georgia and end the talk of removal. Georgia ignored the Supreme Court's ruling, refused to release the missionaries, and continued to press the federal government to remove the Cherokees. President Jackson did not enforce the decision against the state and instead called on the Cherokees to relocate or fall under Georgia's jurisdiction. (Although Jackson is widely quoted as saying, "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it," his actual words to Brigadier General John Coffee were: "The decision of the supreme court has fell still born, and they find that it cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate.")

The fanciful version has its initial appearance in print in Horace Greeley, The American Conflict, Volume 1 (1865), page 106.

Available online: Volume 1, Volume 2

The attorneys for the missionaries sought to have this judgment en­forced, but could not. General Jackson was President, and would do nothing of the sort. “Well: John Marshall has made his decision: now let him enforce it!27 was his commentary on the matter. So the missionaries languished years in pris­on, and the Cherokees were finally (1888) driven into exile, in defiance of the mandate of our highest judi­cial tribunal.28 Georgia was permit­ted to violate the faith of solemn treaties and defy the adjudications of our Highest court. South Carolina was put down in a similar attempt: for the will of Andrew Jackson, not the Constitution, was in those years “ the supreme law of the land.”29

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27 I am indebted for this fact to the late Gov­ernor George N. Briggs, of Massachusetts, who was in Washington as a member of Congress when the decision was rendered.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-01-29   16:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: cranky (#0) (Edited)

The people have spoken. Trump ran on several campaign PROMISES... and unlike EVERY past elect shitbag pres, THIS ONE IS MAKING GOOD WITH HIS PROMISES. All you filthy libtarded HIPPIE assholes protestors can shove that up your thin skinned libtarded assholes. I can only hope you act out, illegally, so LE can drag your asses off, cuffed and crying like TeaPartyRevere

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-29   16:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#16)

Great sleuthing. Always a pleasure to view your resources. God Bless you!

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-30   23:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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