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Title: Allah, Keep us From the Path Taken by Christians and Jews!
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URL Source: http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/01/al ... -taken-by-christians-and-jews/
Published: Jan 25, 2017
Author: Baron Bodissey
Post Date: 2017-01-25 00:40:07 by A K A Stone
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Comments: 18
Correction: The man who recited Sura 1 was not Mohamed Magid, who spoke just before him. Many thanks to Andy Bostom for identifying the speaker: Mr. Sajid Tarar of the Raza-e Mustafa Islamic Center in Pikesville, MD, recited the Fatiha including its 7th verse (Koran 1:7) at this “ecumenical” service. During every Friday prayer service in every mosque, Sura 1 of the Koran is recited. The meaning of what is said — that Jews incurred the wrath of Allah, and that Christians went astray — is supported by all authoritative tafsirs on the Koran. And every Muslim who pays any attention to his religion understands what it means. Last Saturday, at a National Prayer Service in Washington D.C. attended by President Donald Trump, an imam named Mohamed Magid recited Sura 1, calling on his god to show special disfavor to Jews and Christians. As it happens, Mr. Magid is a known Muslim Brotherhood operative. Many thanks to Sandra Solomon for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling: For more on what’s actually included in Islamic prayers, see this article. Transcript: 0:29 I seek refuge in allah from Satan. 0:37 Thanks be to allah the merciful one. Guide us on the right path 0:40 for those whom you blessed (muslims), not the path of the ones 0:43 you are angry at (Jews) and the ones who went astray (Christians). This entry was posted in Counterjihad, Enrichment, Holy War, News, PC/MC, Politics, Religion, USA by Baron Bodissey.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Muslims being Muslim. What a scourge that satanic religion is on the earth.
What a scourge that satanic religion is on the earth. Well, yes, but they do have a point. The Jews went off the path, and God left the Temple for good, destroyed the altar, destroyed the priests, and scattered the people. The Muslims are right: the Jews DID go astray. The Christians behaved with great grace under persecution, but then, starting in 385 AD, with the power in their hands, they became the murderous persecutors. Proclaiming "Error has no rights!" they began the killing of "heretics", which did not end until 1826, and did not end anywhere because the Christian Church saw the light, but because the secular civil authorities became strong enough to strip the judicial authority from them. This is not to say that secular authority has been any great shakes. We have a couple of Reichs and a few "Democratic Republics" worth of murders to disabuse anybody of that notion. But secular authority does not pretend that it derives from God. The difference between Islam and Christianity is that the God of the Christians forbade killing. Allah commanded it. So, when the Muslims do what they do, they do it with the full sanction of their God. When Christians have done it, so viciously and for so long, they've done it without any true authority, and were so evil and hypocritical for so long that it utterly sucked the marrow out of the religion and caused it to collapse in stature among the formerly Christian nations themselves. So, the Muslims are right: the Jews and Christians DID go astray and left the path. Unfortunately for us all, when Muslims do what Christians and Jews did - kill and chauvinistically extort - they do so with the sanction of their god - they're not sinning. The Jew and the Christian should have always known better, because it has ALWAYS "been written...". But the Muslim, when he behaves like a barbarian, is actually FOLLOWING his Scripture.
Dont attempt to justify them the i was just following orders excuse has been shown for what it is, absolute bullshit, and you know where that places the muslims, dont you?
You're missing the point.
Yes they are 100 percent for sure sinning. Also it offensive that you call what they worship "God" and "god".
Do the muslims who worship satan even have the concept of sin in their unholy rag?
Very much so: to not obey Allah is sin.
Also it offensive that you call what they worship "God" and "god". From their perspective, they're not. They don't look at the world through our perspective but through theirs. They have no doubts about what they do,
When they read that passage they mean a lot of things, none of which tangentially applies to your comments. YES, what you wrote is historically true, and accurate. Not disagreeing there. However, whenever Muslims read that passage they mean we all should be following their prophet and submit to Islam. They are saying, Jews are stuck in a defunct covenant. They are saying Christians have been led astray by a concept of Issa which is false or incomplete without the enlightenment of Qur'an. That's what they are saying. Not the bloodshed which you mention. We know that is direct disobedience of the commands of Jesus Christ. So when they say "Christians have been led astray", Muhammad did not have in mind the burning and beheadings of heretics. Frankly Muhammad loves beheadings, stonings and the drawn sword. Again, your historical accounts are accurate. Your theological chastisement is on target. But the passage cited is not saying that. It is saying if you are not in complete submission to Islam, you are off the path being led astray.
I know. That's my point. I am writing from the perspective of third person objectivity, not from a particular faith perspective. Christians believe their doctrines and in their God. And Muslims believe in theirs. A believing Muslim, HE thinks he is obeying God, by doing with his god says he should do. The difference between Islam and Christianity or Judaism, is that the Christians or Jews who kill, enslave, rape and do all of the horrors of history were doing so AGAINST the precepts of their God, but the Muslims, when they do it to non-Muslims, are actually fulfilling what they believe to to be commandments. Of course they think everybody should be submitting to Islam. And Christians believe everybody should be following Jesus. The difference is that Jesus never told Christians to go kill those who would not follow. Allah DID tell Muslims that. So, the bad things Christians did tended to discredit their religion in the eyes of their OWN kind - people left Christianity because they were disgusted by Christians' abuses, contrary to Christianity. But the bad things Muslims do (from the perspective of everybody but Muslims) doesn't discredit Islam to Muslims - their God TELLS THEM TO DO THAT, TELLS them it is ok. This makes Islam particularly hard to deal with, because Muslims don't have crises of conscience when they kill or rape kafirs...that is unless the real God - whose Son Christ is - bleeds through into their consciences anyway, causing them to regret things that they did that are licit and legal under their religion. That doesn't appear to happen much.
Understand your use of 3rd person and red teaming this from a Muslim perspective.
That doesn't appear to happen much. There is good news: Thousands of Muslims Converting Scores of Muslims Turning to Christ in Middle East; Churches Expecting 'Millions' of Converts
Do you really believe that most human beings have NO innate sense that it is wrong to kill or rape other humans simply because the others do not believe in their god?
No, I think they DO have that sense, but that is because all human beings are made by the same God, who installs that in all of us. Then our respective cultural, legal and religious upbringing twists us. I think that many, many Muslims are repelled by violence and rape, and would not be involved in killing anybody. BUT, and this is the key, THOSE Muslims do not plunge themselves deeply into their faith. They would be the equivalent of "Cafeteria Catholics" or "Christmas and Easter churchgoers" - people who pay lip service to their religion, follow the cultural norms (holidays, customary prayers), but who don't engage their mind in it, don't study it deeply. They're not the devout. The devout focus on the writings and the traditions, and those writings and traditions are filled with evil, which gradually dulls and adumbrates that native moral sense. Essentially, we need the world to be filled with "bad Muslims" (from the perspective of devout Islam), because bad Muslims will follow their instincts, not know the actual tenets and writings of their religion, and will, therefore, behave in a more humane and "normal" way. The more devout the Muslim male, the more dangerous he is, because the content of that religion is pure oppression.
Good to see we agree that religious fanaticism is the real problem. Not to belittle the problem of political fanaticism, as seen on this forum...
Religious fanaticism is the problem today for Islam. Religious fanaticism in the past resulted in the self-castration of Christianity, from which self- inflicted wound the religion continues to ebb away in Europe and America. The Apostle John is paraphrased as having said "They will know we are Christians by our love." From my own experience, I would say instead "They will know we are Christians by the way we tear each other limb from limb." If it were not for undeniable miracle, I would have left the Christians behind long ago, as so much of the society without the benefit of miracles already has. But as it is, given what I know, I have to continue to hold to the truth. We do face a mortal threat to the truth, and to our very lives, from Islamist fanatics. They have to be fought and beaten, or we will be vanquished as first Eurooe, then the Americas, gradually fill up and rot out from the rust that never sleeps.
"Islam did not rise except through Ali's sword and Khadijah's wealth,"
Good to see we agree that religious fanaticism is the real problem. Not only Islam, the world... In fact fanaticism of every stripe seems to me humanity's greatest problem. --- And how in hell do we educate people to be tolerant?
#2. To: redleghunter (#1)
Muslims being Muslim.
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
#4. To: paraclete (#3)
Dont attempt to justify them the i was just following orders excuse has been shown for what it is, absolute bullshit, and you know where that places the muslims, dont you?
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
they do so with the sanction of their god - they're not sinning.
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)
Do the muslims who worship satan even have the concept of sin in their unholy rag?
#8. To: A K A Stone (#5)
(Edited)
Yes they are 100 percent for sure sinning.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
#10. To: redleghunter (#9)
Again, your historical accounts are accurate. Your theological chastisement is on target. But the passage cited is not saying that. It is saying if you are not in complete submission to Islam, you are off the path being led astray.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
This makes Islam particularly hard to deal with, because Muslims don't have crises of conscience when they kill or rape kafirs...that is unless the real God - whose Son Christ is - bleeds through into their consciences anyway, causing them to regret things that they did that are licit and legal under their religion.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
the bad things Muslims do (from the perspective of everybody but Muslims) doesn't discredit Islam to Muslims - their God TELLS THEM TO DO THAT, TELLS them it is ok. This makes Islam particularly hard to deal with, because Muslims don't have crises of conscience when they kill or rape kafirs...
#14. To: tpaine (#13)
Do you really believe that most human beings have NO innate sense that it is wrong to kill or rape other humans simply because the others do not believe in their god?
#15. To: Vicomte13, y'all (#14)
The devout focus on the writings and the traditions, and those writings and traditions are filled with evil, which gradually dulls and adumbrates that native moral sense.
#16. To: tpaine (#15)
(Edited)
Good to see we agree that religious fanaticism is the real problem.
#17. To: redleghunter (#1)
Muslims being Muslim.
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#16)
Religious fanaticism is the problem today for Islam.
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