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Title: Marijuana DOES cause schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, experts say in landmark study that slams most of the drug's medical benefits as 'unproven'
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Daily Mail
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a ... medical-benefits-unproven.html
Published: Jan 12, 2017
Author: Mia De Graaf and Associated Press
Post Date: 2017-01-12 20:52:32 by misterwhite
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Views: 6207
Comments: 33
Marijuana does raise the risk of getting schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, according to the most significant study on the drug's effects to date. A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help some people sleep. But it dismisses most of the drug's other supposedly 'medical benefits' as unproven. Crucially, the researchers concluded there is not enough research to say whether marijuana effectively treats epilepsy - one of the most widely-recognized reasons for cannabis prescriptions. The report also casts doubt on using cannabis to treat cancers, irritable bowel syndrome, or certain symptoms of Parkinson's disease, or helping people beat addictions. The experts called for a national effort to learn more about marijuana and its chemical cousins, including similarly acting compounds called cannabinoids. In fact, the current lack of scientific information 'poses a public health risk,' said the report, released by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine. Patients, health care professionals and policy makers need more evidence to make sound decisions, it said. Several factors have limited research. While the federal government has approved some medicines containing ingredients found in marijuana, it still classifies marijuana as illegal and imposes restrictions on research. So scientists have to jump through bureaucratic hoops that some find daunting, the report said. A federal focus on paying for studies of potential harms has also impeded research into possible health benefits, the report said. The range of marijuana products available for study has also been restricted, although the government is expanding the number of approved suppliers. Twenty-eight states and the District of Columbia have legalized marijuana for a variety of medical uses, and eight of those states plus the district have also legalized it for recreational use.
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#1. To: misterwhite (#0)
the stays the love ps oh every If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
This has been known for 50 years.
Abstract: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2552797 November 2016 Association Between Continued Cannabis Use and Risk of Relapse in First-Episode PsychosisA Quasi-Experimental Investigation Within an Observational Study Tabea Schoeler, MSc1; Natalia Petros, MSc1; Marta Di Forti, PhD1; et al Jean-Baptiste Pingault, PhD2; Ewa Klamerus, BSc1; Enrico Foglia, BSc1; Amanda Small, BSc1; Robin Murray, FRS1; Sagnik Bhattacharyya, PhD1 JAMA Psychiatry. 2016;73(11):1173-1179. [...] Conclusions and Relevance. These results reveal a dose-dependent association between change in cannabis use and relapse of psychosis that is unlikely to be a result of self-medication or genetic and environmental confounding. Full report may be downloaded at link. From report: Using a quasi-experimental design whereinwe assessed cannabis use patterns after the onset of psychosis, we were able to investigate the causal nature of the association between cannabis use and risk of relapse in psychosis. Although it has been proposed that a common genetic liability or reverse causation may underlie the association between continued cannabis use and relapse,13 our results indicate that change in cannabis use represents a robust risk factor for relapse in patients with FEP.
FAKE NEWS...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, The report costs $87 and consists of 378 pages. BUT, as my gift to you, you can read it online here: https://www.nap.edu/read/24625/chapter/1#xi Then tell me what's fake about it.
FAKE NEWS...MUD Gatlin would agree. I believe that we went down the wrong road long ago when we submitted to the notion that recreational euphoria was a benefit to all comers. We see in hindsight today how forces operating beyond our horizons made dope popular, coaxing up demand which an illicit supply industry was happy to meet. And while an herb may have its virtues, after a generation or more of experimentation we see that the habitual use of marijuana has been bad for lots of folks. It’s been bad for poor people. It’s been bad for young people. It’s also been bad for the mentally ill as current studies show. It has been a gateway to even more destructive habits – maybe not more often than not, but often enough. The entertainment and information leviathan western countries has conspired to make pot smoking an activity that is condoned, approved of, even celebrated. But “getting high” on a lark has never been an unencumbered practice throughout history. Drug use in traditional societies has always been recognized for its dangers and has always been practiced within the bounds of ceremonial taboo and religious practice. It’s never been just for fun, and I think it would have been better if we’d followed the natural inclination of previous generations for whom the idea of smoking an herb to get high had been viewed as simply abject degeneracy and all of us just walked away. However, many of us didn’t, and now the genie is out of the bottle. Pot is a TRAP that’s been set for us. Perhaps it’s time to recognize unintended consequences of behavior many have come to tolerate. It has become more than just a lifestyle choice on the part of millions. Recreational drug use of all kinds has spawned twin monsters. One head of the dragon is crime, organized and disorganized, from the neighborhood dealer to the dope cartels burrowing into our cities, which suck billions out of the legitimate economy. The other head is the criminal justice monster that feed armies of law enforcement and prison personnel and lives off the legalized confiscation of property and an insane proliferation of law upon law passed for the simple reason that no sane adult wants this stuff in their neighborhoods. No one wants their kids smoking pot. No one with his head screwed on anyway. The unintended consequence is that we are in a TRAP that has no easy exit. On the one hand, there’s significant opposition to legitimizing pot use, for good reason. On the other, feeding the criminal justice system the way we have been doing is immensely destructive. It’s a tragedy when an otherwise good kid is apprehended at a traffic stop with a bowl and a couple of seeds to answer for, and his future is on the hook. Maybe if Michael Brown hadn’t been stuffing blunts and selling dope he might not have been walking down the middle of the street in front of a police cruiser with a box of stolen cigarillos. Perhaps he might not have felt it necessary to go for the gun of an honorable police officer who had to take a life to defend his own. Maybe Michael Brown might have finished school and done something productive with his life. The libertarian voice in many of us tells us that it’s no skin off anyone else’s nose if a man rolls up a joint. But life is not that simple. You won’t escape the unforeseen and unintended.
Some states have decriminalized marijuana. It's still illegal, but possession of small amounts is punishable by a fine -- like a traffic ticket. Of course, those who favor legalization see this as a victory and only the first step. Which demonstrates the problem of trying to meet fanatics halfway.
Which helps to keep a lot of folks caught with small amounts out of jail. That in itself is a good thing. The next step is medical marijuana. And I think where that's being tried they're finding more dope in the hands of more kids. That's not such a good thing.
You're making my point. First, decriminalize. Next, what about medical marijuana? I thought you were against legalization. Now you're for it. No, that's not the next step. Smoked medical marijuana is a scam. It has no medical use. No major medical organization approves of smoked marijuana for any reason..
Nope. I guess it's the contentious nature of this board that forces people to take a king hell stand one way or another. I know posters that maintain that pot has helped them with the symptoms of chronic conditions. I take them at their word and that's just anecdotal evidence. I also know folks that have prescribed marijuana for various problems. I assume they've done it for good reasons and that such prescriptions are licensed and approved. Still more anecdotal evidence. We won't know if MM is a good thing or a bad thing I think for a number or years. The proof is in the pudding. Right now more pot is getting into more hands and often times that product is getting into the hands of those that shouldn't have their mitts on it. As I say, you can try these experiments, but you're going to have outcomes that you haven't gambled on. I'm very skeptical
No. It's just that when we give a little and say we will decriminalize marijuana, people like you consider that concession to be the new starting point for negotiation. Then, when we balk at conceding even more, you accuse us of taking a "king hell stand". "We won't know if MM is a good thing or a bad thing I think for a number or years. The proof is in the pudding." The proof is in clinical testing -- just as we do every other drug. Why is marijuana the exception?
You've got me wrong. I am not negotiating for anything. I don't like pot and our kids and grandkids don't have anything to do with it. Frankly, I'd like to see it banished to the backwaters from whence it once came.
Some states have decriminalized marijuana. It's still illegal, but possession of small amounts is punishable by a fine -- like a traffic ticket. Of course, those who favor legalization see this as a victory and only the first step. Which demonstrates the problem of trying to meet fanatics halfway. ----- misterwhite Randge, you will soon realize, like most rational people here, that misterwhite sort of leads the fanatics...
There are a lot of smart people on this forum. Some of them are wont to pull the other guy's jugular out by hand when opinions cross. Heh-heh.
The National Academy of Science is a non-governmental, non-profit organization. The report is by an ad hoc committee of a non-government organization.
Some of them are wont to pull the other guy's jugular out by hand when opinions cross. Heh-heh. True enough, -- but after many years of hearing 'smart' irrationality, it leads to suspicions that it's really agitprop. So the gloves come off. Thanks.
So you think some folks here aren't really "free agents"? It wouldn't surprise me. Heh.
--- after many years of hearing 'smart' irrationality, it leads to suspicions that it's really agitprop. Nope, I just think they're misguided fanatics about their particular causes. Most don't even realize how anti-constitutional they come off as.
Well sure. Marijuana has the analgesic effect of Tylenol. Hardly a ringing endorsement. And who's going to spend $10 on pot to relieve their "pain" rather than 10 cents for two Tylenol.
Well sure. Marijuana has the analgesic effect of Tylenol. Hardly a ringing endorsement. And who's going to spend $10 on pot to relieve their "pain" rather than 10 cents for two Tylenol. Really, it was an ad hoc committee of a non-governmental non-profit organization. Actual report at page 4-4: The majority of studies on pain cited in Whiting et al. (2015) evaluated nabiximols outside the United States. In their review, the committee found that only a handful of studies have evaluated the use of cannabis in the United States and all of them evaluated cannabis in flower form provided by the National Institute on Drug Abuse that was either vaporized or smoked. In contrast, many of the cannabis products that are sold in state regulated markets bear little resemblance to the products that are available for research at the federal level in the United States. For example, in 2015 between 498,170 and 721,599 units of medical and recreational cannabis edibles were sold per month in Colorado (Colorado DOR, 2016, p. 12). Pain patients also use topical forms (e.g., transdermal patches and creams). Thus, while the use of cannabis for the treatment of pain is supported by well-controlled clinical trials as reviewed above, very little is known about the efficacy, dose, routes of administration, or side effects of commonly used and commercially available cannabis products in the United States. Given the ubiquitous availability of cannabis products in much of the nation, more research is needed on the various forms, routes of administration, and combination of cannabinoids. CONCLUSION 4-1 There is substantial evidence that cannabis is an effective treatment for chronic pain in adults. At page S-5: For therapeutic effects: There is strong evidence to support the conclusion that cannabis or cannabinoids are an effective or ineffective treatment for the health endpoint of interest. For other health effects: There is strong evidence to support or refute a statistical association between cannabis or cannabinoid use and the health endpoint of interest. For this level of evidence, there are several supportive findings from good-quality studies with very few or no credible opposing findings. A firm conclusion can be made, but minor limitations, including chance, bias, and confounding factors, cannot be ruled out with reasonable confidence. At page 4-3: [...] For the purposes of this discussion, the primary source of information for the effect on cannabinoids on chronic pain was the review by Whiting et al. (2015). Page I-13, References: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26103030 Cannabinoids for Medical Use: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis. Whiting PF1, Wolff RF2, Deshpande S2, Di Nisio M3, Duffy S2, Hernandez AV4, Keurentjes JC5, Lang S2, Misso K2, Ryder S2, Schmidlkofer S6, Westwood M2, Kleijnen J7. There was moderate-quality evidence to support the use of cannabinoids for the treatment of chronic pain and spasticity. There was low-quality evidence suggesting that cannabinoids were associated with improvements in nausea and vomiting due to chemotherapy, weight gain in HIV infection, sleep disorders, and Tourette syndrome. Cannabinoids were associated with an increased risk of short-term AEs. So, the primary source holds "[t]here was moderate-quality evidence to support the use of cannabinoids for the treatment of chronic pain and spasticity." At page S-6, the ad hoc committee of the non-governmental nonprofit orginization defined moderate evidence as follows: For therapeutic effects: There is some evidence to support the conclusion that cannabis or cannabinoids are an effective or ineffective treatment for the health endpoint of interest. For other health effects: There is some evidence to support or refute a statistical association between cannabis or cannabinoid use and the health endpoint of interest. For this level of evidence, there are several supportive findings from good- to fair-quality studies with very few or no credible opposing findings. A general conclusion can be made, but limitations, including chance, bias, and confounding factors, cannot be ruled out with reasonable confidence.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Sez HOO, my fascist friend?! Why is it YOUR business, POT-NAZI?! "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Change the name to pothead slim.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Honestly, none of mine. Enjoy yourself. I don't give a shit Me and mine will steer clear, thanks.
Neither do I, my friend...bothers the RATZ though, obviously Gayboyz offended...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, NOT that anyone's judging U, GAY-Aisle...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, So says the degenerative pot head. Fuck off, hippie libtard.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The Conservative Case For Legalizing Marijuana 25 Lies About Cannabis on the DEA Website — Refuted by the DEA Itself in 2016 Though marijuana will be universally legal in almost all states within the next ten years, don't expect this administration to help fast track the lazy Xbox playing pothead slugs into legal weed. I doubt Trump will do much to stop the juvenile effort to get high... but I also doubt he will do much to perpetuate its legality. Hopefully your blood pressure shits the bed before you ever see that in our history. I'll get a certain sense of satisfaction knowing you're in anguish over some lazy criminal scumbag getting his trailer door rocked off its hinges because he has a grow room operation next to the baby's crib... near the cases of PBR beer they stole from the local Walmart. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If he takes steps to allow the states to make their own decisions as per the 10th Amendment, that would be a good start. "The Times They Are A'Changin'" Come gather round, Sheeple...in office and home... Come, blow-dried twit Networks who tyrannize with your "spin"... Come Senators, Congressmen, please heed our call... Come mothers and fathers throughout the Land... (Excellent harp jammin') The line has been drawn...foundation's been cast!! 200+...time to sack out fer a coupla hours. FReegards...MUD 202 posted on Friday, November 02, 2001 "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, "My wife says I've a cycle similar to a bear in that I "beef up" for the winter months... "LOL...so weird!! I annually lose 15-20 in the Winter only to pick it up when I start partyin' and FReepin' again in the Spring/Summer!! My annual high point--weightwise--is November 27th... If ya really wanna rassle me, BOY, don't NEVER do it in March!! )=^D...MUD 304 posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 10:52:01 AM by Mudboy Slim "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,raise the risk of getting schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks
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#2. To: misterwhite (#0)
Marijuana does raise the risk of getting schizophrenia
#3. To: misterwhite, Gatlin (#0)
Original Investigation
doi:10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2016.2427 Conclusions
#4. To: misterwhite (#0)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#5. To: Mudboy Slim (#4)
"FAKE NEWS...MUD"
#6. To: Mudboy Slim, Gatlin (#4)
Daily Mail
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#7. To: misterwhite (#0)
#8. To: randge (#7)
"On the one hand, there’s significant opposition to legitimizing pot use, for good reason. On the other, feeding the criminal justice system the way we have been doing ... "
#9. To: misterwhite (#8)
Some states have decriminalized marijuana.
#10. To: randge (#9)
"The next step is medical marijuana ..."
#11. To: misterwhite (#10)
I thought you were against legalization. Now you're for it.
#12. To: randge (#11)
"I guess it's the contentious nature of this board that forces people to take a king hell stand one way or another."
#13. To: misterwhite (#12)
#14. To: randge, y'all (#13)
randge (#7) ----- "On the one hand, there’s significant opposition to legitimizing pot use, for good reason. On the other, feeding the criminal justice system the way we have been doing ... "
#15. To: tpaine (#14)
#16. To: misterwhite (#0)
A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help some people sleep.
#17. To: randge (#15)
There are a lot of smart people on this forum.
#18. To: tpaine (#17)
#19. To: randge (#18)
So you think some folks here aren't really "free agents"?
#20. To: nolu chan (#16)
"A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help some people sleep."
#21. To: misterwhite (#20)
"A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help some people sleep."
Discussion of Findings
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
Are Cannabis or Cannabinoids an Effective Treatment for the Reduction of Chronic Pain?
Whiting, P. F., R. F. Wolff, S. Deshpande, M. Di Nisio, S. Duffy, A. V. Hernandez, J. C. Keurentjes, S. Lang, K. Misso, S. Ryder, S. Schmidlkofer, M. Westwood, and J. Kleijnen. 2015. Cannabinoids for medical use: A systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA 313(24):2456–2473.
Format: Abstract
CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE:
MODERATE EVIDENCE
#22. To: misterwhite (#8)
Which demonstrates the problem of trying to meet fanatics halfway."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#23. To: randge (#11)
"Right now more pot is getting into more hands and often times that product is getting into the hands of those that shouldn't have their mitts on it."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#24. To: Mudboy Slim (#23)
#25. To: Mudboy Slim (#23)
#26. To: randge, FEYrie Island_bouy... (#25)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#27. To: GrandIsland (#24)
(Edited)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#28. To: Mudboy Slim (#27)
#29. To: GrandIsland, Muboy Slim, randge (#28)
Fuck off, hippie libtard.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#30. To: Deckard (#29)
#31. To: GrandIsland (#30)
I also doubt he will do much to perpetuate its legality.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#32. To: randge, Cyber-Band, budwiesest, EdZep, Jethro Tull, Arator, Willie Green, mit, HalfIrish, backhoe, AuntB (#25)
(To be sung to Bob Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin'"
And admit that corruption in DeeCee has grown!!
Then, demand that Slick's TREASON shall not be condoned!!
WE MUST FIGHT!! The Nation's worth savin'!!
Country, better stop sleepin' or yer souls Left will own...
Folks, the times they are a'changin'...
Our Prez'dent has spied...WE MUST NOW INDICT HIM!!
And CONVICT Bill's goons...then WE'LL IMPRISON SLICK!!
Yes, Limbaugh's sellin' TRUTH 'bout Slick's TREASON!!
Left's poltroons, y'know, we'll be FReepin' the Net!!
Press, the times they are a'changin'...
Please stand up fer Justice...please tear down Slick's walls!!
Folks, watch how you vote...'cuz we're watchin' y'all!!
Battle fer hearts and minds rages...
We'll soon FReep yer meetings and clatter yer halls...
Pols, the times they are a'changin'...
Look in yer kids' eyes...they are yer Scottish Clan...
Yer sons and yer daughters...look to you, MAKE YER STAND!!!
Left's Cold War has moved to this Nation!!
Please get out and help us...AIN'T PATRIOTISM GRAND?!!
Parents, the times they are a'changin'...
WE'LL GIT T-Mack NOW...THEN IMPRISON SLICK LAST!!
Welcome Prez'dent Bush...Ashcroft, get off yer A$$...
New World Order is rapidly fadin'!!
And the People's Power'll be returned at last...
Ohhh, the times they are a'changin'!!
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#33. To: GrandIsland, Landru, FunkyDan Medina, MANpimp, VETvette, TheREDheadzHUBBY!! (#28)
Only to wake up come January with a fresh, new resolve & a few *rolls* to motivate me."
Then it's downhill through the Holidays and The Dark Months of January and February and part of March.
EVERY YEAR, somewhere between March and April MUD starts gittin' ORNERY again...
FReepTime goes way up, BeerIntake goes way up, and the GymTime goes down markedly!!"
I'll put a hurtin' on ya yer lover wouldn't appreciate!!
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
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