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Title: The Libertarian Party Believes Ron Paul Is Not A Libertarian
Source: libertarianconsrvative.com
URL Source: http://www.thelibertyconservative.c ... eves-ron-paul-not-libertarian/
Published: Jan 7, 2017
Author: Chris Dixon
Post Date: 2017-01-08 23:04:16 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 5258
Comments: 60

t is often said that political parties are ruining the dignity of American discourse. Instead of discussing policy points, many identify with one of two partisan identities and allow their loyalties to fall in line. Here, policy support shapes around their team and they turn against whatever the other side opposes. It’s shallow. And it is growing worse.

The problem with the political arena is that as the investment grows more significantly, so does the need for self-preservation. Political careers mean that principles can take a backseat to the race discussion because nobody is going to make either a name for himself or money by losing with dignity.

This is a phenomenon also not restricted to the Democrats and Republicans. The Libertarian party has the same problem.

The Libertarian Party has developed a tendency to attack non-enrolled libertarians, including prominent figures like Senator Rand Paul and his father, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul.

Two-time Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson has attacked Senator Paul in the past as not being libertarian. While there is a legitimate debate whether Senator Paul is more conservative than libertarian, the former New Mexico Governor is hardly in a position to talk.

Now it’s Libertarian Party chairman Nicholas Sarwark who is stepping up criticism of Paul, echoing a common claim of party members. Ron Paul, according to Chairman Sarwark, is not a libertarian. He claims that the liberty leader has often been wrong and even anti-libertarian, then pointing to his support of states’ rights.

To libertarians, the states’ rights debate is more like a game of semantics. Technically, a state does not have rights — only individuals do. The state is still government and thus, the power for its existence is derived from the people themselves. Given this, only the people themselves have rights. This is a position that Paul supports.

In 2002, he wrote that “states’ rights simply means the individual states should retain authority over all matters not expressly delegated to the federal government in Article I of the Constitution.” Essentially, the term “states’ rights” simply alludes to the Tenth Amendment, which itself states that the people retain all power not specifically delegated to the federal government or prohibited to the states.

In his book “Liberty Defined,” Paul states: “Technically, states don’t have ‘rights’ — only individuals do. But states are legal entities that are very important in the governmental structure of the United States, of course. They serve as a kind of bulwark against an overweening federal government. The Constitution was written with an intent to protect the independence of each state by establishing for the states a very limited relationship to the federal government.”

Paul clearly states that states don’t have rights and again notes the term itself alludes to the Tenth Amendment. Under our system of government, the state is supposed to retain its independence from federal overreach while still acting on behalf of the people.

If this is not libertarian, what is?

The Libertarian Party has a confused history on what libertarianism is. They have previously had individuals run for president like Bob Barr, a former Congressman who voted for the USA PATRIOT Act and the invasion of Iraq. Given this fact, it’s not entirely surprising that the party had a Hillary Clinton apologist run for vice president, described as “the original libertarian.”

Ron Paul may not be perfect, but he did not support the USA PATRIOT Act. The Libertarian party has supported people who did, including their latest vice presidential candidate. Paul did not support the Iraq invasion, while the Libertarian party has advocated for people who did. Former governor Bill Weld himself has supported affirmative action and stronger environmental regulations at the federal level.

Before criticizing others for not being libertarian, the Libertarian Party should probably learn what it means to be a libertarian first.

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#4. To: Gatlin, buckeroo, Gtand Island, Roscoe, hondo 68 (#0)

Here are a few of Ron Pauls positions. Out of curiosity which to you support or disagree with? It is a broad spectrum of his positions from the on the issues site.

Roe v. Wade decision was harmful to the Constitution. (Apr 2008)

No tax funding for organizations that promote abortion. (Sep 2007)

Voted YES on banning federal health coverage that includes abortion. (May 2011)

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be auctioned off. (Jan 2012)

We spend $1.5T on wars; start by cutting there. (Sep 2011)

Country is bankrupt & we can't keep spending. (Aug 2011)

Stimulus package means more printing & devaluing the dollar. (Feb 2008)

Federal Reserve creates money and prints it out of thin air. (Jan 2008)

Paper money in unconstitutional; only gold is legal tender. (Sep 2010)

Wasteful government spending backed by both parties. (Apr 2008)

Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Jan 2009)

Voted NO on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)

Let churches marry couples, without government document. (Jun 2011)

National ID card is part of fear-based government. (Feb 2008)

Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)

Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)

Auto company nationalization is fascism. (Sep 2010)

Replace "hate crime" with equal penalties for equal assaults. (Apr 2011)

Not appropriate to prosecute all illegal adult pornography. (Sep 2007)

Blacks disproportionately imprisoned for victimless crimes. (Jan 2012)

Drug War allows drug lords to make a lot more money. (Apr 2011)

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)

Ban federal funding for needle-exchange programs. (Mar 1999)

Student loan program is a total failure and unconstitutional. (Nov 2011)

Voted NO on $40B for green public schools. (May 2009)

Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)

Develop energy independence; no crony handouts like Solyndra. (Jan 2012)

Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006) Eliminate the ineffective EPA. (Feb 2012)

Give tax breaks for start-up farms for 10-year commitment. (Jan 2008)

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-09   0:06:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, Gtand Island, Roscoe, hondo 68 (#4) (Edited)

Here are a few of Ron Pauls positions. Out of curiosity which [do] you support or disagree with?
With all due respect to you and John Kennedy….I will paraphrase the renowned words made famous by John Kennedy during his inaugural address on January 20, 1961, and respond to you by saying:
“Ask me not what Ron Paul’s positions I support or disagree with; ask me what are Ron Paul’s accomplished positions.”
Then I will politely answer you by saying, from all of the 620 bills sponsored by Ron Paul during his long and enduring career of filling a void space in the House, there were only four bills that ever made it to a vote on the House floor ….and from those four, only one became actual law.

That was an abysmal success rate of 0.2 percent.

Ron Paul, who served 11 terms in three different stages going back to 1976, was not able to get a single law passed until 2009. And did the single law that was passed accomplish one of those on your infamous list of positions?

The answer is a resounding: No!

Oh, what was the one single law that Ron Paul finally got passed in 2009, the one law that did wonderfully great things for our magnificent nation….it was a law that allowed for the sale of a customs house in Galveston, Texas.

”Jesus H. Christ”….the sale of a customs house in Galveston, Texas!

So, there you have it, my esteem friend....Ron Paul’s positions be damned, because his approach to lawmaking is particularly suited to not getting things done.

Positions mean nothing, if nothing is accomplished by only taking those positions.

“I yield the remainder of my time to questions.”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-01-09   3:22:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin, Roscoe, misterwhite, statists (#7)

...his approach to lawmaking is particularly suited to not getting things done.

You fools think that "passing new laws" is a sign of accomplishment.

Which is why you are laughingly derided as statists.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-09   10:12:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#16)

You fools think that "passing new laws" is a sign of accomplishment.

Other than collect a salary, what is it that you think lawamakers should do?

I suppose you could include repealing laws, but he failed at that too.

Roscoe  posted on  2017-01-09   10:28:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Roscoe (#23)

Other than collect a salary, what is it that you think lawamakers should do?

I suppose you could include repealing laws, but he failed at that too.

Because assholes like you outnumber him is the reason he didn't get as much accomplished as he did had we had more honorable people in congress.

I doubt you can man up because you are so childish. But if you have it in you and you have the balls to answer (very doubtful because your friends will make fun of you) please tell us what you agree with or what you disagree with on my little list.

Or don't if you are a pussy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-09   10:31:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#25)

Let churches marry couples, without government document. (Jun 2011)

Just churches? Not Kmart?

Craven bitch.

Roscoe  posted on  2017-01-09   21:45:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Roscoe (#35)

Just churches? Not Kmart?

Craven bitch.

Churches.

Why are you to cowardly to answer a simple straight forward question?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-09   22:29:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Churches.

Why is that, dullard? Because your man-crush said so?

No more Justices of the Peace?

No more marriages by ship's captains?

No more marriages by judges?

No more marriages by court clerks?

Who decides what a church is for purposes of conducting marriages?

And why not Kmart?

Stupid parrot.

Roscoe  posted on  2017-01-09   22:58:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Roscoe (#41)

Why are you to much of a pussy to answer the question?

Hmm pussyboy?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-09   23:00:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)

I'm answering one of your moronic proposals. You're pissing yourself and running away from it.

Roscoe  posted on  2017-01-09   23:01:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Roscoe (#43)

I'm answering one of your moronic proposals. You're pissing yourself and running away from it.

It was Ron Pauls proposal not mine.

I agree that churches should be able to issue marriage licenses without the governments permission.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-09   23:17:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#53. To: BorisY (#50)

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Expand please.

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