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Title: The Libertarian Party Believes Ron Paul Is Not A Libertarian
Source: libertarianconsrvative.com
URL Source: http://www.thelibertyconservative.c ... eves-ron-paul-not-libertarian/
Published: Jan 7, 2017
Author: Chris Dixon
Post Date: 2017-01-08 23:04:16 by Gatlin
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Views: 5287
Comments: 60

t is often said that political parties are ruining the dignity of American discourse. Instead of discussing policy points, many identify with one of two partisan identities and allow their loyalties to fall in line. Here, policy support shapes around their team and they turn against whatever the other side opposes. It’s shallow. And it is growing worse.

The problem with the political arena is that as the investment grows more significantly, so does the need for self-preservation. Political careers mean that principles can take a backseat to the race discussion because nobody is going to make either a name for himself or money by losing with dignity.

This is a phenomenon also not restricted to the Democrats and Republicans. The Libertarian party has the same problem.

The Libertarian Party has developed a tendency to attack non-enrolled libertarians, including prominent figures like Senator Rand Paul and his father, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul.

Two-time Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson has attacked Senator Paul in the past as not being libertarian. While there is a legitimate debate whether Senator Paul is more conservative than libertarian, the former New Mexico Governor is hardly in a position to talk.

Now it’s Libertarian Party chairman Nicholas Sarwark who is stepping up criticism of Paul, echoing a common claim of party members. Ron Paul, according to Chairman Sarwark, is not a libertarian. He claims that the liberty leader has often been wrong and even anti-libertarian, then pointing to his support of states’ rights.

To libertarians, the states’ rights debate is more like a game of semantics. Technically, a state does not have rights — only individuals do. The state is still government and thus, the power for its existence is derived from the people themselves. Given this, only the people themselves have rights. This is a position that Paul supports.

In 2002, he wrote that “states’ rights simply means the individual states should retain authority over all matters not expressly delegated to the federal government in Article I of the Constitution.” Essentially, the term “states’ rights” simply alludes to the Tenth Amendment, which itself states that the people retain all power not specifically delegated to the federal government or prohibited to the states.

In his book “Liberty Defined,” Paul states: “Technically, states don’t have ‘rights’ — only individuals do. But states are legal entities that are very important in the governmental structure of the United States, of course. They serve as a kind of bulwark against an overweening federal government. The Constitution was written with an intent to protect the independence of each state by establishing for the states a very limited relationship to the federal government.”

Paul clearly states that states don’t have rights and again notes the term itself alludes to the Tenth Amendment. Under our system of government, the state is supposed to retain its independence from federal overreach while still acting on behalf of the people.

If this is not libertarian, what is?

The Libertarian Party has a confused history on what libertarianism is. They have previously had individuals run for president like Bob Barr, a former Congressman who voted for the USA PATRIOT Act and the invasion of Iraq. Given this fact, it’s not entirely surprising that the party had a Hillary Clinton apologist run for vice president, described as “the original libertarian.”

Ron Paul may not be perfect, but he did not support the USA PATRIOT Act. The Libertarian party has supported people who did, including their latest vice presidential candidate. Paul did not support the Iraq invasion, while the Libertarian party has advocated for people who did. Former governor Bill Weld himself has supported affirmative action and stronger environmental regulations at the federal level.

Before criticizing others for not being libertarian, the Libertarian Party should probably learn what it means to be a libertarian first.

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#4. To: Gatlin, buckeroo, Gtand Island, Roscoe, hondo 68 (#0)

Here are a few of Ron Pauls positions. Out of curiosity which to you support or disagree with? It is a broad spectrum of his positions from the on the issues site.

Roe v. Wade decision was harmful to the Constitution. (Apr 2008)

No tax funding for organizations that promote abortion. (Sep 2007)

Voted YES on banning federal health coverage that includes abortion. (May 2011)

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be auctioned off. (Jan 2012)

We spend $1.5T on wars; start by cutting there. (Sep 2011)

Country is bankrupt & we can't keep spending. (Aug 2011)

Stimulus package means more printing & devaluing the dollar. (Feb 2008)

Federal Reserve creates money and prints it out of thin air. (Jan 2008)

Paper money in unconstitutional; only gold is legal tender. (Sep 2010)

Wasteful government spending backed by both parties. (Apr 2008)

Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Jan 2009)

Voted NO on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)

Let churches marry couples, without government document. (Jun 2011)

National ID card is part of fear-based government. (Feb 2008)

Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)

Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)

Auto company nationalization is fascism. (Sep 2010)

Replace "hate crime" with equal penalties for equal assaults. (Apr 2011)

Not appropriate to prosecute all illegal adult pornography. (Sep 2007)

Blacks disproportionately imprisoned for victimless crimes. (Jan 2012)

Drug War allows drug lords to make a lot more money. (Apr 2011)

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)

Ban federal funding for needle-exchange programs. (Mar 1999)

Student loan program is a total failure and unconstitutional. (Nov 2011)

Voted NO on $40B for green public schools. (May 2009)

Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)

Develop energy independence; no crony handouts like Solyndra. (Jan 2012)

Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006) Eliminate the ineffective EPA. (Feb 2012)

Give tax breaks for start-up farms for 10-year commitment. (Jan 2008)

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-09   0:06:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#4)

He supports faggots... and like most libtards, feels it's Whitey's fault that 25% of our populace (blacks) make up 70% of our prison populace.... couple that with his heroin vending machines at school lunch rooms and he's a big fat Jane Fonda in a creepy old man skin suit.

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-09   8:07:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GrandIsland (#9)

He supports faggots... and like most libtards, feels it's Whitey's fault that 25% of our populace (blacks) make up 70% of our prison populace.... couple that with his heroin vending machines at school lunch rooms and he's a big fat Jane Fonda in a creepy old man skin suit.

I don't like fags. But we should all be equal under the law. That doesn't mean fag pretend marriage.

I don't think he is actually for them. He has a mixed record on the issue. I disagree with some of his votes that concerned homos. But I don't disagree with all of them.

If we get to the root of WHY he voted the way he did we might understand why better and come to the conclusion that he isn't pro sodomite. Maybe not.

I don't agree with some of his drug positions. But you are exaggerating with heroin vending machines.

He has to many views that are different then Fondas.

You have a good day too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-09   10:38:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited)

But you are exaggerating with heroin vending machines.

Of course. I have to YELLA some of my examples to EVEN the YELLA playing field your agenda posters paint your site.

95% of Ron Paul's positions, I agree with. That 95% outweigh the 5% I don't agree with. So based on his political platform, knowing I will NEVER find a political candidate that I 100% agree with, I would vote for RP before I'd vote for 99% of the Republican past candidates. With that said, I'll never vote for him unless HE'S VIABLE.... AND it's to keep a (D) out of office because of the vile assholes that tarnish his name. Decktard, being a shining example of one.

Trust me when I say, Ron Paul's 6% popularity is a direct result of the TRASH (like Sucky Bucky, Hondope and Decktard) that's associated with his name. They just fail to get it... they FAIL to understand that it's because of the vile radical liberaltarian TRASH that Ron PAULTARD will DIE before he gets more than 3 laws passed or becomes POTUS

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#36. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#33)

95% of Ron Paul's positions, I agree with. That 95% outweigh the 5% I don't agree with. So based on his political platform, knowing I will NEVER find a political candidate that I 100% agree with, I would vote for RP before I'd vote for 99% of the Republican past candidates. With that said, I'll never vote for him unless HE'S VIABLE.... AND it's to keep a (D) out of office because of the vile assholes that tarnish his name. Decktard, being a shining example of one.

I agree …

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#37. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#36)

Trust me when I say, Ron Paul's [LOW] 6% popularity is a direct result of the TRASH (like Sucky Bucky, Hondope and Decktard) that's associated with his name. They just fail to get it... they FAIL to understand that it's because of the vile radical liberaltarian TRASH that Ron PAULTARD will DIE before he gets more than 3 laws passed or becomes POTUS
Absolutely….well stated.

The actions by these Paultard assholes has done more to turn me off Libertarianism than — well, than anything.

My contacts with the libertarians on LP created a certain amount of contempt for their philosophies and that grew to be even greater contempt after they moved over to LF.

They all rely on the asinine assumption that….if they will only string together enough of their vague and repulsive rhetoric, then all of human history and what all rational people on earth wants can be completely ignored.

They live in their own misguided worlds …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-01-09   22:09:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland (#37)

The actions by these Paultard assholes has done more to turn me off Libertarianism than — well, than anything.

You could NEVER be a libertarian; both of you thrive on government handouts.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-01-09   22:17:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#51. To: buckeroo (#38) (Edited)

My pension is derived by private mutual funds, not taxes. D-bag. lol

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