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Title: Fire Chief Arrested For Preventing A Cop From Making A Fire Worse — House Burns as a Result
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Free Thought Project/Law Officer/WEHT-7
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/fi ... ire-worse/#fDjgLsEhyEPwAcyC.99
Published: Dec 30, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-12-30 19:39:35 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 19564
Comments: 140
Cannelton, IN – Volunteer Fire Chief Christopher Herzog was recently arrested for attempting to prevent a police officer from making a fire worse. However, the police version of the story makes it sound like Herzog was some crazed assailant attacking heroes. Now, the firefighter is facing a felony. When kindergartners are taught to “stop drop and roll,” they are also taught that fire feeds on oxygen and that sometimes a suddenly opened door or window could cause a fire. Unfortunately, Cannelton police officer Ryen Foertsch did not get the memo. Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse. Herzog arrived on the scene to witness the blunder, and attempted to prevent the officer from literally adding fuel to the fire, and tried to get him away from the house. Sensing that his authority was being threatened, Foertsch arrested the fire chief as the house continued to burn. To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk. Officer Foertsch claims that Herzog was shouting obscenities at him and shoving him. However, Herzog says that he was simply attempted to diffuse a dangerous situation, and even if he was shouting at the officer, he had every right to considering the circumstances. Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.” Sadly, after the chief was arrested and the other firefighters sent away, the police officers did nothing and allowed the fire to completely destroy the house. Herzog was taken into custody and lodged in the Perry County Jail on a charge of battery against a public safety official, a level 6 felony. Soon after the arrest, Herzog was bailed out of jail by Cannelton Mayor Mary Snyder. It is important to note that the National Incident Management System, which sets national standards for first responders in emergencies such as this, states that the first fire unit arriving on the scene of a house fire are the ones to take command of the incident, which means that Herzog was within his rights to take charge of the situation when he arrived on the scene. It seems that officer Foertsch was more concerned with his own ego and perceived authority than he was with saving lives, which is a dangerous consequence of giving a person unlimited power.
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#51. To: Deckard, Roscoe (#37)
The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: [….]
When kindergartners are taught to “stop drop and roll,” they are also taught that fire feeds on oxygen and that sometimes a suddenly opened door or window could cause a fire. Unfortunately, Cannelton police officer Ryen Foertsch did not get the memo. Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse. Non sequitur. Ridiculous ...
He's dodging. He can't point to a state, county, or municipal law supporting the assertion he pulled out of his anal orifice.
You probably should have checked the links and watched the video. “I was in shock,” says Chris Zukeschwerdt, whose house was on fire.”When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal.” Zukeschwerdt has spent 40 years as an EMT and says, “I've never seen anything like it in my life.” Humphery recorded the aftermath on her cell phone. She watched first responders in blue and red butt heads, while a fire burned in the background. “They pulled the fire chief out,” Zukeschwerdt said, while the fire was still smoldering. Humphrey saw him arrested and put in handcuffs. Neighbors there say police officers then told Cannelton firefighters to pack up. A firefighter can be heard on video telling his crew to pick up the hoses and leave. “We're in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard a police officer say, “and a lot of the fire department guys started saying let's grab out gear and go.” Zukeschwerdt says he heard the assistant fire chief tell his firefighters to stay put and “make sure this fire is out.” Well, it wasn't. The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house. According to fire expert Matt Agorist.
KooK, read the link in your article. The police officers cleared two rooms, exited, then fearing additional people might be in the house, broke a window. And thank god they did, had they allowed that human eternal flame into the house he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.
So the fire was OUT when the police were looking for possible victims. What a great foot shot!
It was reported that the fire was out when the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed the scene and that was when the police ordered the remaining fire crew off the property. Try to keep up …
The Ron Rico Purple Label is 151 proof. Highly flammable.
No, this is just another example of the many yellow journalism article you post and your failure to fact check.
You and your darn facts! Don't you know that mansplaining triggers the SJWs.
He'll flee your point, gibbering in angry terror. He is a weirdo....but I have yet to see a libertarian who is not.
He will still be the “Phoenix rising from the ashes.” He has a strong desire to receive truthful verbal abuse …
Please post a link to where the Chief was found to have ANY alcohol in his system along with any toxicology reports and arrest history. What - you mean you are just making shit up because you have a man-crush on cops? You certainly do have a vivid - one could almost say "delusional" imagination! What other cops have we been discussing were fighting fires?
It may have been in one the discussions he was having with the voices in his head.
At least he hasn’t posted a multitude of different links for deflection….since he is getting his ass kicked so rightly with facts.
Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman? I don't "claim".... I am a retired 20 year LEO. During an active fire, the fire chief has control of the scene. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
First, Zukeschwerdt said : “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.” Then a couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: “They pulled the fire chief out,” Zukeschwerdt said, “while the fire was still smoldering.” Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: “Check to make sure there are no hot spots.” [meaning of course, that the fire was out]. Now, please tell me….which link should I probably have checked? Stop making up shit and trying to slip it in….that is so typical yellow journalism and easily spotted.
It did not! I hit him on this also. He likes to add shit in and make it look like someone reported that. It is becaue of his actions, that I have a hard time trusting libertarians.
Hey, Roscoe, don’t miss this one….you will laugh you ass off: Deckard to Vinny: pot, kettle....black!
Total rummy. Red faced, cop fighters usually are.
Thank you. Still waiting for you to post documented evidence showing the Chief was intoxicated. ...cop fighters usually are. The cop in this instance should have obeyed the person who has authority at a fire -the Chief. He would have served a useful purpose by keeping civilians away and fetching donuts and coffee for the real public servants. Police firefighting skilz. The D&R Party is a suicide cult!
lol.... was wondering that myself. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
lol.... was wondering that myself. It's kinda like Gatlin "claiming" to be a major when he distances himself from and trashes the very Constitution that he supposedly took an oath to protect and defend. Probably got the $40K or so that paid for the car from an innocent motorist who had the cash on him when he was pulled over for some contrived reason. Now they're gonna have to jack up some other citizen to make up for their incompetence. KooK, the officers arrested the stewball after he struck an officer at the scene of an emergency where they heroically saved citizens. So actually they were in charge. See how this stuff works?
Ignoring the poor attempt at intentional deflection and staying on topic….the Indiana State Police Press Release states: Perry County (Cannelton): The chief of the Cannelton Fire Department was arrested Tuesday for shoving a police officer multiple times at a fire scene. Tuesday evening, Cannelton Fire and Police Departments responded to an active structure fire at 550 Knight Street, Cannelton. Cannelton Police Officer Ryen Foertsch and Perry County Deputy Stephen Poehlein arrived at the scene, and immediately entered the burning residence to make sure nobody was inside. After clearing two rooms of the home, smoke became too overwhelming, forcing the officers from the fire. Once outside, Foertsch attempted to break the window of a room that he was unable to clear. Fire Chief Christopher Herzog approached Foertsch, pushed him hard enough to cause him to step back, and began shouting profanities at him, telling him to get off of his fire scene. Foertsch tried explained to Herzog what they were doing in clearing the burning home, at which point Herzog pushed Foertsch again, and again yelled profanities at Foertsch to get off of his scene. Both officers conveyed the situation to their superiors. At the request of Cannelton Police Chief Lee Hall, troopers with the Indiana State Police were contacted to investigate the complaint. After investigating, Troopers Jeremy Galloway and Nathaniel Kern arrived at the scene of the fire and placed Herzog into custody. Herzog was lodged in the Perry County Jail. Arrested and charges: Well you can….but if you do so, then you will get your dumb hotheaded ass arrested and charged with: Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony.
lol.... was wondering that myself. He can’t arrange his words and phrases properly to create well-formed sentences that make sense. That is no doubt caused by his total inability to understand the complexity and truthfulness of the situation he is trying to discuss. The poor lad is always so lost in the world of reality …
So actually they were in charge. HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically? Not according to the homeowner and witnesses on the scene. Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.” Gee, what happened next you say? The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house. And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day? HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically? “There you go again” spouting of about what Chris Zukeschwerdt said. Chris Zukeschwerdt’s account is inconsistent and in contradiction to other sources. A couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.” Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: “Check to make sure there are no hot spots.” [meaning of course, that the fire was out].
The weren't there for law enforcement. They were there for ego enforcement. A small minded man looking for a chance to show his authority and prowess.
Why do you constantly point to and rely so heavily on eyewitness reports when using eyewitness reports is one of the worse things you can do since science has for a long time proven their inaccuracy. Don’t believe that….then check these out: In general eyewitness reports are notori ously unreliable. Unreliable Eyewitness Evidence. Why is eyewitness testimony unreliable? . Embellishments of memory: the unreliable nature of eyewitness. Eyewitnesses aren't as reliable as you might think. Conflicting Eyewitness & Police Reports . The End of Eyewitness Testimonies. Is eyewitness testimony too unreliable to trust? . Psychologists are helping police and juries rethink the role of eyewitness. The problem with eyewitnesses. The unreliability of eyewitness testimony. Why eyewitnesses get it wrong. Factors Affecting the Accuracy of Eyewitness . A Flawed Record: The Fragility of Eyewitness Memory. Wrongful conviction throws spotlight on unreliability of eyewitness. Exposing Unreliable Eyewitness Testimony . New Report Urges Caution in Handling Eyewitness. FRONTLINE: How can eyewitness indentification go wrong? . Eyewitness IDs can be unreliable. Another Unreliable Eyewitness. The Unreliability of Eyewitness Testimony . Eyewitness Testimony Can Be Tragically Mistaken. Unreliability of Eyewitness Testimony and Memory. and on … And on … and on … And on …
Oh - you mean the HOMEOWNER who was at the scene of the fire the entire time? Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Oh yeah - he must be lying, right? Your whining is growing tiresome. All charges against the Chief will be dropped. The town can't afford to have the cops and firefighters become enemies. At the very most, this was two guys getting into an argument over who's boss. It is nowhere near a Level 6 Felony, unless of course you believe that a heroic public servant pushing a badged "hero" rises to that level of criminality. He's moved on from yukon to FireIsland in that department. You are a queer, just like him I wonder if Gatlin likes sushi and MMA fighting as much as our resident Village People cop does. Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job. Cop Handcuffs Firefighter For Trying to Protect Crash Victims, Caught on Tape Cop Arrests Fireman Giving Aid - Jury Awards $18k Juror Betsy Vennemann said after the verdict, "We wanted to make a statement that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated." Capt. David Wilson won $7,500 in compensatory damages and $10,000 in punitive damages. Jurors, including a nun, said they went easy on the defendant, Officer Todd Greeves, because he has a family and they weren't sure who would pay the bill. Wilson testified that the Robertson Fire Protection District truck was parked in a way to protect rescuers working to free a victim from wreckage along Interstate 270 at McDonnell Boulevard. Greeves ordered that the truck be moved to accommodate passing traffic and arrested Wilson for ignoring him. Wilson was released after 23 minutes and never charged. He sued, claiming civil rights violations that opened him to anxiety and humiliation. Greeves told the court the truck was creating a hazard and not adding to safety at the scene. Jurors interviewed after the verdict said their feeling about Greeves was reinforced during the punitive phase of the trial, when they heard there had been other complaints about him. An internal affairs investigation determined that Greeves used excessive force in a 2002 arrest, court documents show, and was the subject of several other complaints. Before Wednesday's deliberations, U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Ann Medler had already ruled that Greeves had no probable cause to arrest Wilson, who she said had state law on his side. She also dismissed the city of Hazelwood as a defendant.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.
If this volunteer fire chief had the training and experience fighting fires, then why didn’t he follow the published procedures? Procedure
This volunteer fire chief did not check for occupants. Therefore, he either did not have the proper training and experience in fighting fires….or he was incompetent not to follow the published procedures.
1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.
#52. To: Vinny (#50)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#53. To: Deckard (#41)
(Edited)
Post your picture so we can all judge whether or not you are drunk.
#54. To: Gatlin (#51)
#55. To: Deckard (#38)
There is no evidence to show that the Fire Department failed to search the house.
There is no evidence to show that the fire department had searched the house. If they had, surely the volunteer fire chief would have told the cop that, the altercation would not have occurred and the volunteer fire chief would not have been arrested for assult. Basic deduction…My Dear Watson….basic deduction. And a correct one …
#56. To: Gatlin (#48)
There is no report that the fire reignited later.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#57. To: Deckard (#52)
"a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse."
#58. To: Deckard (#52)
#59. To: Deckard (#56)
The house caught fire again
#60. To: Deckard (#38)
To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk.
#61. To: Vinny (#58)
he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.
#62. To: Deckard (#38)
It was just another example of an arrogant cop flexing his authoritah when he should have been directing traffic or fetching donuts and coffee for the real heroes.
#63. To: Gatlin (#60)
It was reported that the fire was out when the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed the scene and that was when the police ordered the remaining fire crew off the property.
#64. To: Roscoe (#45)
The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.
#65. To: Roscoe, Vinny (#47)
You nuked him.
#66. To: Vinny (#58)
had they allowed that human eternal flame into the house he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#67. To: Deckard, Vinny (#49)
Oh - were those cops also fighting the fires?
Also?
#68. To: Gatlin (#67)
What other cops have we been discussing were fighting fires?
#69. To: Roscoe (#54)
He's dodging.
Of course.
#70. To: Deckard (#35)
You claim to have been a cop.
#71. To: Deckard (#56)
You probably should have checked the links and watched the video.
I have. The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house.
There is no quotation marks encompassing that statement.
#72. To: Roscoe, Deckard (#59)
The house caught fire again
#73. To: Deckard, Roscoe, Vinny (#66)
(Edited)
You certainly do have a vivid - one could almost say "delusional" imagination!
#74. To: Roscoe (#61)
The Ron Rico Purple Label is 151 proof. Highly flammable.
#75. To: GrandIsland (#70)
During an active fire, the fire chief has control of the scene.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#76. To: Vinny (#74)
Total rummy. Red faced
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#77. To: Gatlin (#73)
#78. To: Gatlin (#40)
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question?
#79. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin (#78)
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#80. To: hondo68 (#77)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#81. To: Deckard (#76)
The cop in this instance should have obeyed the person who has authority at a fire -the Chief.
#82. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#79)
Cannelton Fire Chief Arrested after Shoving a Police Officer at a Fire Scene
It doesn’t matter who you are or what you are doing….you simply cannot push a police officer hard enough to cause him to step back and continue to push the police officer again and again while yelling profanities at him.
Christopher W. Herzog, 51
Cannelton, IN
- Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony
#83. To: GrandIsland (#78)
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question?
Yea, he uses really weird syntax.
#84. To: Vinny (#81)
they heroically saved citizens.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#85. To: Deckard, Vinny (#84)
(Edited)
Not according to Chris Zukeschwerdt …
HUH? so you are trying to still say that Chris Zukeschwerdt is a reliable witness to be completely believed? First, Zukeschwerdt said : “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”
Now, please, you cannot possible tell which version of all this is factually correct.
#86. To: Deckard (#84)
And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day?
#87. To: Deckard, Vinny, Roscoe (#84)
According to Chris Zukeschwerdt …
This is at least the second or third time you have posted the eyewitness testimony of Chris Zukeschwerdt. I have continually shown you where he contradicts his own eyewitness testimony.
#88. To: Gatlin (#85)
(Edited)
This is at least the second or third time you have posted the eyewitness testimony of Chris Zukeschwerdt.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#89. To: buckeroo (#28)
Yes you are, sucking yukon's asshole.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#90. To: Gatlin, Roscoe, Vinny, GrandIsland, rlk, hjondo68 A K A Stone, buckeroo, Stoner (#86)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
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