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Title: Fire Chief Arrested For Preventing A Cop From Making A Fire Worse — House Burns as a Result
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Free Thought Project/Law Officer/WEHT-7
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/fi ... ire-worse/#fDjgLsEhyEPwAcyC.99
Published: Dec 30, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-12-30 19:39:35 by Deckard
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Views: 19596
Comments: 140
Cannelton, IN – Volunteer Fire Chief Christopher Herzog was recently arrested for attempting to prevent a police officer from making a fire worse. However, the police version of the story makes it sound like Herzog was some crazed assailant attacking heroes. Now, the firefighter is facing a felony. When kindergartners are taught to “stop drop and roll,” they are also taught that fire feeds on oxygen and that sometimes a suddenly opened door or window could cause a fire. Unfortunately, Cannelton police officer Ryen Foertsch did not get the memo. Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse. Herzog arrived on the scene to witness the blunder, and attempted to prevent the officer from literally adding fuel to the fire, and tried to get him away from the house. Sensing that his authority was being threatened, Foertsch arrested the fire chief as the house continued to burn. To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk. Officer Foertsch claims that Herzog was shouting obscenities at him and shoving him. However, Herzog says that he was simply attempted to diffuse a dangerous situation, and even if he was shouting at the officer, he had every right to considering the circumstances. Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.” Sadly, after the chief was arrested and the other firefighters sent away, the police officers did nothing and allowed the fire to completely destroy the house. Herzog was taken into custody and lodged in the Perry County Jail on a charge of battery against a public safety official, a level 6 felony. Soon after the arrest, Herzog was bailed out of jail by Cannelton Mayor Mary Snyder. It is important to note that the National Incident Management System, which sets national standards for first responders in emergencies such as this, states that the first fire unit arriving on the scene of a house fire are the ones to take command of the incident, which means that Herzog was within his rights to take charge of the situation when he arrived on the scene. It seems that officer Foertsch was more concerned with his own ego and perceived authority than he was with saving lives, which is a dangerous consequence of giving a person unlimited power.
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#83. To: GrandIsland (#78)
lol.... was wondering that myself. He can’t arrange his words and phrases properly to create well-formed sentences that make sense. That is no doubt caused by his total inability to understand the complexity and truthfulness of the situation he is trying to discuss. The poor lad is always so lost in the world of reality …
So actually they were in charge. HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically? Not according to the homeowner and witnesses on the scene. Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.” Gee, what happened next you say? The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house. And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day? HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically? “There you go again” spouting of about what Chris Zukeschwerdt said. Chris Zukeschwerdt’s account is inconsistent and in contradiction to other sources. A couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.” Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: “Check to make sure there are no hot spots.” [meaning of course, that the fire was out].
The weren't there for law enforcement. They were there for ego enforcement. A small minded man looking for a chance to show his authority and prowess.
Why do you constantly point to and rely so heavily on eyewitness reports when using eyewitness reports is one of the worse things you can do since science has for a long time proven their inaccuracy. Don’t believe that….then check these out: In general eyewitness reports are notori ously unreliable. Unreliable Eyewitness Evidence. Why is eyewitness testimony unreliable? . Embellishments of memory: the unreliable nature of eyewitness. Eyewitnesses aren't as reliable as you might think. Conflicting Eyewitness & Police Reports . The End of Eyewitness Testimonies. Is eyewitness testimony too unreliable to trust? . Psychologists are helping police and juries rethink the role of eyewitness. The problem with eyewitnesses. The unreliability of eyewitness testimony. Why eyewitnesses get it wrong. Factors Affecting the Accuracy of Eyewitness . A Flawed Record: The Fragility of Eyewitness Memory. Wrongful conviction throws spotlight on unreliability of eyewitness. Exposing Unreliable Eyewitness Testimony . New Report Urges Caution in Handling Eyewitness. FRONTLINE: How can eyewitness indentification go wrong? . Eyewitness IDs can be unreliable. Another Unreliable Eyewitness. The Unreliability of Eyewitness Testimony . Eyewitness Testimony Can Be Tragically Mistaken. Unreliability of Eyewitness Testimony and Memory. and on … And on … and on … And on …
Oh - you mean the HOMEOWNER who was at the scene of the fire the entire time? Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Oh yeah - he must be lying, right? Your whining is growing tiresome. All charges against the Chief will be dropped. The town can't afford to have the cops and firefighters become enemies. At the very most, this was two guys getting into an argument over who's boss. It is nowhere near a Level 6 Felony, unless of course you believe that a heroic public servant pushing a badged "hero" rises to that level of criminality. He's moved on from yukon to FireIsland in that department. You are a queer, just like him I wonder if Gatlin likes sushi and MMA fighting as much as our resident Village People cop does. Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job. Cop Handcuffs Firefighter For Trying to Protect Crash Victims, Caught on Tape Cop Arrests Fireman Giving Aid - Jury Awards $18k Juror Betsy Vennemann said after the verdict, "We wanted to make a statement that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated." Capt. David Wilson won $7,500 in compensatory damages and $10,000 in punitive damages. Jurors, including a nun, said they went easy on the defendant, Officer Todd Greeves, because he has a family and they weren't sure who would pay the bill. Wilson testified that the Robertson Fire Protection District truck was parked in a way to protect rescuers working to free a victim from wreckage along Interstate 270 at McDonnell Boulevard. Greeves ordered that the truck be moved to accommodate passing traffic and arrested Wilson for ignoring him. Wilson was released after 23 minutes and never charged. He sued, claiming civil rights violations that opened him to anxiety and humiliation. Greeves told the court the truck was creating a hazard and not adding to safety at the scene. Jurors interviewed after the verdict said their feeling about Greeves was reinforced during the punitive phase of the trial, when they heard there had been other complaints about him. An internal affairs investigation determined that Greeves used excessive force in a 2002 arrest, court documents show, and was the subject of several other complaints. Before Wednesday's deliberations, U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Ann Medler had already ruled that Greeves had no probable cause to arrest Wilson, who she said had state law on his side. She also dismissed the city of Hazelwood as a defendant. Lose debate, change story.
Uh, no - I haven't lost the debate and I'm not changing my story. I merely pointed out that this was not an isolated incident. Cops have interfered with firefighters doing their jobs before and they will do it again. Why? Because they just don't learn. Maybe more lawsuits like the one I posted above would be the answer. At any rate, the felony charges against the Chief will be dropped, unless the badged "heroes" want to make an example out of him. By doing so however they will only increase the tension between firefighters and cops - nobody wants to see that. Pursuing criminal charges against Fire Chief Christopher Herzog will ultimately put lives and property in danger. Lose debate, change story, double down. It's the SJW way.
Nah. This is way too slow. Back in the TOS day fifty on one was a good battle. This is more like swatting flies.
Then a couple line down in the article, said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.” I do mean the homeowner who cannot keep his story straight each time he tells it. Embellishments of memory are the unreliable nature of eyewitness reports.
Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable. Don’t believe that…then check these links out.
In the case with Deckard...like swatting a pesky gnat.
You've convinced me that the eyewitness cops are clueless. Matt Agorist from the Free Thought Project takes a more balanced view, collects observations from a number of eyewitnesses, as well as newscrews covering the event. Plus, he's not a CT freak like you! Your attempts to parse the homeowners comments are ridiculous. There are no contradictions, k0oK! The D&R Party is a suicide cult!
Then a couple line down in the article, said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.” Seriously? That's all you got? There is NO discrepancy in those two statements. A smoldering fire IS STILL a fire. Non sequitur….trying to change the dynamics of this story and deflect. I merely pointed out that this kind of behavior has been displayed in the past by cops who stopped firemen from doing their jobs. Do you believe that the charges should be dropped? Prosecuting a heroic firefighter doing his job controlling the scene and pushing a cop out of the way does not do anyone any good. Lives and property will be at risk due to the animosity between the cops and firefighters which will be exacerbated by a felony conviction against the Chief. I'm sure we can all admit that this situation could have been avoided if the cop would have checked his ego at the door and allowed the firefighters to do their jobs. The part where the crowd was chanting P-D SUCKS!!! was highly entertaining.
I remember seeing a clip after 9/11 in NYC during the extended cleanup it was deemed that NYFD was burning up way too many overtime hours. I think the mayor called off the operation after X weeks. The firefighters didn't want to quit their efforts. NYPD had to arrest some of them to get them off the site. I saw it once on live TV and never again - not that I did a thorough search for it or anything.
Nice selfie kook.
I merely pointed out ... Which was a complete waste, since it had no relationship to the volunteer fire chief blowing up and losing his tempter to physically attack a law enforcement officer and then be arrested for a Class 6 Felony. Please try to stay on topic….I realize it must be hard for you to do so.
Do you believe that the charges should be dropped? Prosecuting a heroic firefighter doing his job controlling the scene and pushing a cop out of the way does not do anyone any good. Lives and property will be at risk due to the animosity between the cops and firefighters which will be exacerbated by a felony conviction against the Chief. I'm sure we can all admit that this situation could have been avoided if the cop would have checked his ego at the door and allowed the firefighters to do their jobs. The nincompoop publically displayed that he is a high tempered hot head who acts irrationally and irresponsibly which makes him mentally incapable to continue acting in his capacity as volunteer fire chief.
The heroic Fire Chief was doing his job saving lives and property when an ego-centric police officer decided to flex his authoritah and proclaim that HE was now the boss at the scene. A simple fact that even you should be able to grasp. As far as apologies, both sides should apologize and end the ongoing animosity that will threaten the lives and property of the town's citizens. ... both sides should apologize ... It was not his job to lose his temper and attack the policeman. The policeman has nothing to apologize for.
Nope
Nope! This is a house fire: This is a house that was on fire and is now smoldering: There is a BIG difference. The point that being made by Zukeschwerdt was the relativity….the active burning had finished.
I've done it. That's what happens when they drive to the scene intoxicated. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I hate to step on your toes, tater, but where there is smoke, there is fire.
I've done it. That's what happens when they drive to the scene intoxicated. That was a strikingly amusing remark….quite a beautiful ZINGER.
I've done it. That's what happens when they drive to the scene intoxicated. Driving while intoxicated is NOT within the parameters of "doing his job", and there is no evidence here to indicate that Chief Herzog was intoxicated. I can see that happening with volunteer fire departments - guy is in a bar or at home having a couple of beers, gets the call and rushes to the scene. In that situation, maybe you cut the guy a break and drive him to the fire, depending on his level of intoxication, the severity of the fire and whether his presence was vital to the firefighting effort. You can always haul him in afterwards. Oh, so you post two pictures, from two different fires that have nothing to do with the fire in Indiana, and somehow believe you have made a case for your contention? Okey dokey. Sometimes the simplest concepts are the most difficult for him to understand.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question?
Yea, he uses really weird syntax.
#84. To: Vinny (#81)
they heroically saved citizens.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#85. To: Deckard, Vinny (#84)
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Not according to Chris Zukeschwerdt …
HUH? so you are trying to still say that Chris Zukeschwerdt is a reliable witness to be completely believed? First, Zukeschwerdt said : “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”
Now, please, you cannot possible tell which version of all this is factually correct.
#86. To: Deckard (#84)
And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day?
#87. To: Deckard, Vinny, Roscoe (#84)
According to Chris Zukeschwerdt …
This is at least the second or third time you have posted the eyewitness testimony of Chris Zukeschwerdt. I have continually shown you where he contradicts his own eyewitness testimony.
#88. To: Gatlin (#85)
(Edited)
This is at least the second or third time you have posted the eyewitness testimony of Chris Zukeschwerdt.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#89. To: buckeroo (#28)
Yes you are, sucking yukon's asshole.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#90. To: Gatlin, Roscoe, Vinny, GrandIsland, rlk, hjondo68 A K A Stone, buckeroo, Stoner (#86)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#91. To: Deckard (#90)
#92. To: Roscoe (#91)
Lose debate, change story.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#93. To: Deckard (#92)
#94. To: Roscoe (#93)
#95. To: Fred Mertz (#94)
#96. To: Deckard (#88)
Oh - you mean the HOMEOWNER who was at the scene of the fire the entire time?
Yes, I mean the homeowner, Zukeschwerdt, who: First, said: “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”
Yes, your correctly identified the homeowner. Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable.
#97. To: Deckard (#90)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
Non sequitur….trying to change the dynamics of this story and deflect.
#98. To: Deckard, Roscoe (#92)
Uh, no - I haven't lost the debate …
You lost the debate when the Indiana State Police independently investigated the incident and did not charge the police officers….but did charge the volunteer fire chief with Battery Against a Public Safety Official, a Level 6 Felony.
#99. To: Deckard (#88)
It is nowhere near a Level 6 Felony, unless of course you believe that a heroic public servant pushing a badged "hero" rises to that level of criminality.
The Indiana State Police believed it was a Level 6 Felony, when the independently investigated the incident and charged the volunteer fire chief….and of course that is the belief that mattered
#100. To: Deckard (#88)
Oh yeah - he [Zukeschwerdt] must be lying, right?
#101. To: Roscoe (#95)
This is more like swatting flies.
#102. To: Gatlin (#100)
Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable.
#103. To: Gatlin (#96)
First, said: “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#104. To: Gatlin (#97)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#105. To: Gatlin (#99)
The Indiana State Police believed it was a Level 6 Felony, when the independently investigated the incident and charged the volunteer fire chief….and of course that is the belief that mattered
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#106. To: Fred Mertz (#94)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#107. To: Deckard (#106)
#108. To: Deckard (#106)
#109. To: Vinny (#108)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#110. To: Deckard (#104)
#111. To: Gatlin (#110)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#112. To: Deckard (#105)
Do you believe that the charges should be dropped?
If he were to make a public apology for physically attacking the police officer and immediately resigned as the volunteer fire chief….i may then consider that.
#113. To: Gatlin (#112)
The nincompoop publically displayed that he is a high tempered hot head
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#114. To: Deckard (#113)
The heroic Fire Chief was doing his job ...
#115. To: Deckard (#113)
The heroic Fire Chief was doing his job
#116. To: Deckard (#103)
A smoldering fire IS STILL a fire.
#117. To: Deckard (#90)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
#118. To: Gatlin (#116)
#119. To: GrandIsland, Deckard, Vinny, Roscoe (#117)
(Edited)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
#120. To: GrandIsland (#117)
(Edited)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#121. To: Gatlin (#116)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#122. To: buckeroo (#118)
I hate to step on your toes, tater, but where there is smoke, there is fire
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
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