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Title: Fire Chief Arrested For Preventing A Cop From Making A Fire Worse — House Burns as a Result
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URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/fi ... ire-worse/#fDjgLsEhyEPwAcyC.99
Published: Dec 30, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-12-30 19:39:35 by Deckard
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Views: 19258
Comments: 140
Cannelton, IN – Volunteer Fire Chief Christopher Herzog was recently arrested for attempting to prevent a police officer from making a fire worse. However, the police version of the story makes it sound like Herzog was some crazed assailant attacking heroes. Now, the firefighter is facing a felony. When kindergartners are taught to “stop drop and roll,” they are also taught that fire feeds on oxygen and that sometimes a suddenly opened door or window could cause a fire. Unfortunately, Cannelton police officer Ryen Foertsch did not get the memo. Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse. Herzog arrived on the scene to witness the blunder, and attempted to prevent the officer from literally adding fuel to the fire, and tried to get him away from the house. Sensing that his authority was being threatened, Foertsch arrested the fire chief as the house continued to burn. To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk. Officer Foertsch claims that Herzog was shouting obscenities at him and shoving him. However, Herzog says that he was simply attempted to diffuse a dangerous situation, and even if he was shouting at the officer, he had every right to considering the circumstances. Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.” Sadly, after the chief was arrested and the other firefighters sent away, the police officers did nothing and allowed the fire to completely destroy the house. Herzog was taken into custody and lodged in the Perry County Jail on a charge of battery against a public safety official, a level 6 felony. Soon after the arrest, Herzog was bailed out of jail by Cannelton Mayor Mary Snyder. It is important to note that the National Incident Management System, which sets national standards for first responders in emergencies such as this, states that the first fire unit arriving on the scene of a house fire are the ones to take command of the incident, which means that Herzog was within his rights to take charge of the situation when he arrived on the scene. It seems that officer Foertsch was more concerned with his own ego and perceived authority than he was with saving lives, which is a dangerous consequence of giving a person unlimited power.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Strange. Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I wonder what Chris Zukeschwerdt's insurance company will have to say about this incident ? Even though the house does not appear to be large or expensive, it appears to be a total loss. And, with contents that should be a somewhat large claim / loss to the company. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
The article neglects to mention that officers were entering the building looking for possible victims, and that Herzog was actually arrested by State Troopers, rather than the police. Of course, facts infuriate Deckard. Perry County (Cannelton): The chief of the Cannelton Fire Department was arrested Tuesday for shoving a police officer multiple times at a fire scene. Tuesday evening, Cannelton Fire and Police Departments responded to an active structure fire at 550 Knight Street, Cannelton. Cannelton Police Officer Ryen Foertsch and Perry County Deputy Stephen Poehlein arrived at the scene, and immediately entered the burning residence to make sure nobody was inside. After clearing two rooms of the home, smoke became too overwhelming, forcing the officers from the fire. Once outside, Foertsch attempted to break the window of a room that he was unable to clear. Fire Chief Christopher Herzog approached Foertsch, pushed him hard enough to cause him to step back, and began shouting profanities at him, telling him to get off of his fire scene. Foertsch tried explained to Herzog what they were doing in clearing the burning home, at which point Herzog pushed Foertsch again, and again yelled profanities at Foertsch to get off of his scene. Both officers conveyed the situation to their superiors. At the request of Cannelton Police Chief Lee Hall, troopers with the Indiana State Police were contacted to investigate the complaint. After investigating, Troopers Jeremy Galloway and Nathaniel Kern arrived at the scene of the fire and placed Herzog into custody. Herzog was lodged in the Perry County Jail. Arrested and charges: Christopher W. Herzog, 51 Cannelton, IN - Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony -30- HENSLEY
I found it interesting that the comments from the linked "Law Officer" site were opposed to what officer Ryen Foertsch did at the scene. And these guys are cops. Here's one - Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands. Guilty as charged!
How about posting a picture of yourself so we can all judge from your photo whether or not you are a drunk. Soon after the arrest, Herzog was bailed out of jail by Cannelton Mayor Mary Snyder. You think the Mayor would have bailed him out had he been drunk? Does “to hear the rest of the story” mean “to hear the events following to the arrest?” Or is it what Paul Harvey meant when he said “and now for the rest of the story,” you were “to hear the true story?”
I find it absolutely wildly bizarre for you to post something from LawOfficer.com, a website whose Editorial Team consists of law enforcement officers with a combined experience of over a century in the profession….from street cops to supervisors to upper management. Have you set a precedent here that we all may regard as an example and guide to be considered in your future posts? We can only vaguely hope so and that this is a prelude to you becoming truthfully objective …
KooK, should I get stewed like Herzog, then pick a fight with cops at a fire scene, my pic will be available, not before. Now beat it dimwit, and go pick a fight with a cop. I'd love to see you deposited head first in a garbage dumpster.
“You think” the mayor Fairfax would be arrested for attempting to trade drugs for sex….HE WAS. “You think” the D.C. Mayor would be arrested for possession of cocaine….HE WAS. There are numerous other cases similar to these … Your analogy for as a supporting purpose is deserving of derisive ridiculing mockery. And….I just finished doing just that.
Your statement borders on slander. There is absolutely no evidence that Herzog was "stewed". This is just another example of the arrogance of cops. The Fire Department Chief has control of the scene, not the police. Common sense tells anyone that this is a fact. You obviously didn't watch the video. Which is part of the article.
KooK, his face is red and his nose basically blinks. He's stewed to the balls. Even someone with your remedial education and drug addled brain should be capable of seeing that.
No, you obviously didn't watch the video. None of the footage aired of the event contradicted anything I posted. Read it again, man up, and apologize. Cannelton Fire Chief Arrested after Shoving a Police Officer at a Fire Scene Perry County (Cannelton): The chief of the Cannelton Fire Department was arrested Tuesday for shoving a police officer multiple times at a fire scene. Tuesday evening, Cannelton Fire and Police Departments responded to an active structure fire at 550 Knight Street, Cannelton. Cannelton Police Officer Ryen Foertsch and Perry County Deputy Stephen Poehlein arrived at the scene, and immediately entered the burning residence to make sure nobody was inside. After clearing two rooms of the home, smoke became too overwhelming, forcing the officers from the fire. Once outside, Foertsch attempted to break the window of a room that he was unable to clear. Fire Chief Christopher Herzog approached Foertsch, pushed him hard enough to cause him to step back, and began shouting profanities at him, telling him to get off of his fire scene. Foertsch tried explained to Herzog what they were doing in clearing the burning home, at which point Herzog pushed Foertsch again, and again yelled profanities at Foertsch to get off of his scene. Both officers conveyed the situation to their superiors. At the request of Cannelton Police Chief Lee Hall, troopers with the Indiana State Police were contacted to investigate the complaint. After investigating, Troopers Jeremy Galloway and Nathaniel Kern arrived at the scene of the fire and placed Herzog into custody. Herzog was lodged in the Perry County Jail. Arrested and charges: Christopher W. Herzog, 51 Cannelton, IN - Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony
Please state your evidence that Herzog was drunk. Oh, you can't? Typical. That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. Please state your evidence that it isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. Oh, you can't? Typical.
You need reading comprehension classes. You said the article did not mention.......... It was in the video. Hence my comment. Try to pay attention. Try to keep up.
Why are you counseling a poor, sick poster such as "roscoe?" It is just a POS,
Non sequitur. Pathetic.
Common sense tells anyone that this is a fact. Each PD, FD and EMS has published procedures to follow….or definitely should have….and each department coordinates with the other departments in establishing those procedures. There are a number of these procedures posted on the internet. All are basically the same, especially when relating to task priority. I randomly picked one to quote for you, it is from Phoenix: The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: [….] The cops arrived on the scene, recognized that, and the were following the procedure accepted as the published norm….they were checking for endangered occupants. Something the volunteer fire chief should already have done….but obviously had not since he violently tried to stop the cops from performing the correct task. The volunteer fire chief was apparently too shot in the ass with his authority and position to follow standard procedures and he got belligerent…..like might be “expected from an uncompromising drunkard.” And the rest of the statement is pure BULLSHIT for you don’t blindly follow orders [as you have said numerous times] when you know those orders are totally incorrect, completely asinine and lives may be endangered. The fire chief was wrong….and the fire chief was arrested The cops were not wrong and the cops were not arrested. Hey, asshole, stop with your damned whining …
And the cop-haters are proceeding on the assumption that the home was on fire when the fireman committed a felony assault on the police officer. Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. The published normal procedure upon arriving at the scene of a fire is: The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: [….] Extracted from te Phoenix handbook. The cops recognized that the volunteer fire chief had NOT performed that task and THEY PERFORMED THE TASK. The cops are to be commended, the incompetent hothead volunteer fire chief needed to be arrested….HE WAS.
These cop-hating assholes are oblivious to checking facts….they ignore them. All that matters is their agenda and personal opinions. Disgraceful …
TOO FUNNY … The volunteer fire chief lost control of himself at the scene and acted irrationally, not the police.
And this YELLA journalistic piece of shit is just as slanted. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Yes you are, sucking yukon's asshole. You are a queer, just like him.
Proving that the Fire Chief was right, and the arsonist cops fueled the fire, and rekindled it, and burned the house. The Fire Chief will be found, NOT GUILTY. The fact that he was arrested is just further testimony to the incompetence and malice of the scofflaw pigs. The D&R Party is a suicide cult!
And the perp was arrested by State Troopers, not the police officer he attacked.
Arsonist cops? You should ask your drug dealer for a refund.
Look you fucking dumb ass. You said the article didn't say anything about an officer looking for possible victims. I pointed out that in fact that video did in fact mention that. So I was right and you have a reading comprehension problem. So shut your pathetic pie hole.
The article he posted did not mention it. The article he linked to did not mention it. Now. like a craven bitch, you whine that the article linked to an article that linked to a video, and pretend you've made a point. You didn't.
What in the Hell is wrong with you, Boy? You said to me after ONLY reading an article, that: You straying from the accepted right and normal way of objectively analyzing something and deviating into La La Land is so atypical of a sane and rational person. At least try to stay consistent while living in your warped world …
You claim to have been a cop. Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman? Most likely due to the "police officer" breaking the windows. I say let the experts handle a fire, the cops should only be there to direct traffic. Please state your evidence that it isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires. The cops - not so much. But if it is your contention that cops should be placed in charge of residential fire scenes, people will die as a result. Do you really want that? Oh, so that's your rationale now? There is no evidence to show that the Fire Department failed to search the house. It makes sense to me that experienced and highly trained firefighters would know to do that first. To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk. Apparently the cops were not really interested public safety. It was just another example of an arrogant cop flexing his authoritah when he should have been directing traffic or fetching donuts and coffee for the real heroes. Just a suggestion - maybe you could get an update on your 64K phone modem so you are able to watch videos and not appear to be so much of a lying assclown. Furthermore, a better question to ask: Is a patrolman allowed to take direct action when a volunteer fire chief does not follow the published procedure and lives may be endangered because of that? The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: 1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured. [….] The volunteer fire chief did NOT check the house for any endangered occupants. He was negligent in his duty by not following established procedure. Follow Up Question: Since the volunteer fire chief did not perform his duty at all….then is the patrolman to stand down and not check the house for occupants after an irresponsible hothead volunteer fire chief abdicated his duties and acted irrationally by not following published procedures? Any volunteer fire chief who lost control of himself at the scene and reacts violently by physically attacking a Public Safety Official should be arrested and relieved of his duty as the volunteer fire chief. The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.
Post your picture so we can all judge whether or not you are drunk. Thanks for your cooperation.
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#2. To: Deckard (#0)
#3. To: Stoner (#1)
Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
Cannelton Fire Chief Arrested after Shoving a Police Officer at a Fire Scene
#4. To: Stoner (#1)
(Edited)
Strange. Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#5. To: Flame (#0)
Herzog looks like a drunk.
#6. To: Vinny (#5)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#7. To: Roscoe (#3)
Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
#8. To: Deckard, Roscoe, Vinny (#4)
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
A cop said this and you believe it? How striking unique of you to believe ”anything” a cop says.
#9. To: Deckard (#6)
How about posting a picture of yourself so we can all judge from your photo whether or not you are a drunk.
#10. To: Deckard, Vinny (#6)
You think the Mayor would have bailed him out had he been drunk?
Why not? “You think” the Murrietta Mayor would be arrested for drunk driving….HE WAS.
You simply cannot place a mayor on a sanctimonious pedestal trying to show him as being morally superior to the faults of other people because if there is a drunken fire chief arrested somewhere…you can bet there is also a drunken mayor somewhere to bail him out.
#11. To: Vinny (#9)
should I get stewed like Herzog,
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#12. To: Gatlin (#8)
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#13. To: Roscoe (#3)
The article neglects to mention that officers were entering the building looking for possible victims
#14. To: Deckard (#11)
Your statement borders on slander.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
You obviously didn't watch the video.
#16. To: Vinny (#14)
his face is red and his nose basically blinks. He's stewed to the balls.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#17. To: Roscoe, A K A Stone (#13)
...officers were entering the building looking for possible victims
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#18. To: Deckard (#17)
That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.
#19. To: Roscoe (#15)
The article neglects to mention that officers were entering the building looking for possible victims,
#20. To: A K A Stone, roscoe (#19)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)
#22. To: Deckard, Roscoe, Vinny (#12)
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
First Responders don’t operate on “common sense” [as you so ignorantly suggest] when arriving at the scene of a fire. They are trained to operate by follow procedures. Procedure
As the IC, the volunteer fire chief was not following the tactical objectives. 1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no.
Screw that! “Breaking windows” might cause the house burn faster but a house can be replaced. The life of an unconscious person who may be in the room the officer was breaking the glass for entry….cannot be replaced. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
He definitely got carried away!
#23. To: Gatlin (#22)
#24. To: Deckard, Roscoe, A K A Stone (#17)
(Edited)
...officers were entering the building looking for possible victims
The volunteer fire chief displayed all the characteristics of an incompetent hothead. He was WRONG. He displayed total disregard for published procedures in exercising his command. Procedure
Again: The volunteer fire chief was WRONG in that he had not properly performed the first assigned task and then violently tried to prevent the cops for doing that. 1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.
#25. To: Roscoe (#23)
And the cop-haters are proceeding on the assumption that the home was on fire when the fireman committed a felony assault on the police officer. Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
#26. To: Deckard, Vinny (#11)
The Fire Department Chief has control of the scene, not the police.
#27. To: Deckard (#0)
However, the police version of the story makes it sound like Herzog was some crazed assailant attacking heroes. Now, the firefighter is facing a felony.
#28. To: Gatlin (#25)
Disgraceful …
#29. To: Gatlin, Roscoe, Deckard (#25)
the cop-haters are proceeding on the assumption that the home was on fire when the fireman committed a felony assault on the police officer. Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
#30. To: GrandIsland (#27)
#31. To: hondo68 (#29)
#32. To: Roscoe (#21)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)
#34. To: Deckard. Vinny (#16)
From the looks of it - he's [APD Police Chief] an honest cop..
Then Vinny said to you, that … his face [looks] red and his nose basically blinks. He's [Volunteer Fire Chief Christopher Herzog] stewed to the balls.
Then you have the unmitigated gall to challenge Vinny to: Please state your evidence that Herzog was drunk.
You need to stop with your continued hypocritical double standard in that it is okay if you use something but then let your total absence of any good moral principles apply to be condemningly different and more rigorously judgmental to someone in a another circumstance using the same methodology.
Oh, you can't?
Typical.
#35. To: GrandIsland (#27)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#36. To: hondo68, Gatlin, Roscoe (#29)
Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#37. To: Roscoe (#18)
That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#38. To: Gatlin (#22)
Something the volunteer fire chief should already have done….but obviously had not since he violently tried to stop the cops from performing the correct task.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#39. To: Roscoe, A K A Stone (#33)
The article he posted did not mention it. The article he linked to did not mention it. Now. like a craven bitch, you whine that the article linked to an article that linked to a video, and pretend you've made a point.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#40. To: Deckard GrendIsland (#35)
You claim to have been a cop. Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman?
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question? Procedure
#41. To: Gatlin (#34)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
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