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Title: Family Says Killer Cop Relaxed at Hooters Afterward
Source: From The Trenches/Courthouse News
URL Source: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... ed-at-hooters-afterward/178704
Published: Dec 27, 2016
Author: Andrew Midkiff
Post Date: 2016-12-27 09:44:07 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 15059
Comments: 69

ALBUQUERQUE (CN) – After killing their daughter, with his body camera off, and making up a story that the teenager was armed, an Albuquerque cop “relaxed” by going to Hooters, the teen’s parents say in a lawsuit against the city and officer.

Former police Officer Jeremy Dear was pursuing Mary Hawkes in April 2014 after finding her cellphone in a stolen truck. He saw her on the street at about 5 a.m. and pursued her on foot, as part of a seven-member team of officers, according to the Dec. 20 lawsuit in Bernalillo County Court.  

Dear says that when he caught up to the teen, she put a gun in his face, giving him cause to shoot her to death. But her family says she had no gun.

They describe Dear as a “wolf … running with a pack, all in uniform.” In the 10 months before he killed 19-year-old Mary, despite a standing order to record each citizen contact with his lapel camera, Dear “violated this order to record citizen contacts literally hundreds of times before he took a human life,” they say in the complaint.

The only defendants are the city and Dear, but the Hawkes say the uniformed “pack” of officers contributed to and covered up their daughter’s death.

“Each officer who saw Mary S. Hawkes running from them failed to record her flight,” the complaint states. “They failed to capture or else subsequently destroyed defendant Officer Jeremy Dear’s gunning down of her on their respective lapel cameras. As long as the video and audio recordings did not exist they knew defendant Officer Jeremy Dear would be presumptively believed by their chain of command and exonerated. Thus, in the immediate aftermath of her killing, defendant Officer Jeremy Dear and Sgt. Maurer had one care: his lapel camera. Sgt. Brian Maurer, on scene, ordered him to turn it off, while his partner Sonny Molina assured him with two words: ‘Good shot.’”

The family says that Dear and Molina had “perfected gaming the broken [police] department,” and that Dear’s “gratuitous killing” of Mary Hawkes “was the culmination of his bromance with fellow Officer Sonny Molina. Together, these officers created danger that would otherwise not have existed; used unwarranted, brutal force against Mary S. Hawkes, causing her death, and then relaxed after killing her by going first to Hooters restaurant and then to a ‘hole-in-the-wall’ for a Chinese massage.”

Dear, who said his lapel camera had become unplugged during the shooting, was fired later that year.

Police Chief Gorden Eden told the press that Dear demonstrated “a clear case of repeated insubordination and untruthfulness,” and had repeatedly failed to turn on his body camera.

The Hawkes challenge the official story of the killing in numerous ways in the 43-page lawsuit, with an additional 14 pages of exhibits.

They say that though Dear claimed Mary was holding a gun, the gun found at the scene had no DNA or fingerprints on it, and body cam footage from another officer appears to show that her body was moved between frames.

“In frame 516, Mary S. Hawkes’ location appears to have moved a number of feet, as the blood evidence is clearly visible in the camera but the body of Mary S. Hawkes is no longer immediately adjacent to the blood and is no longer visible in the video,” the complaint states.

Dear repeatedly refused to answer questions in a July 19 deposition taken by the family’s attorney, citing the Fifth Amendment. Thirty-five pages of the deposition are attached as an exhibit to the complaint, four deposition pages per page in the complaint. Among the questions Dear refused to answer was why none of the bullet wounds were on the front of Mary’s body.

Mary was killed 11 days after the Department of Justice released a scorching report about unnecessary killings by Albuquerque police. And two weeks ago, the Department of Justice said it is investigating whether Albuquerque police alter video cam evidence.

The Hawkes family sued the police department in March for wrongful death, spoliation of evidence, negligent hiring, training and supervision, unreasonable seizure and warrantless arrest and unconstitutional use of force. In the new complaint, they seek damages for deprivation of civil rights.

In October this year, the police department’s former custodian or records, Reynaldo Chavez, said in an affidavit that the Hawkes’ video, among others, had been altered, and that records were routinely “bleached” or deleted during his time on the force.

“Reynaldo Chavez attests that the city’s motivation was twofold,” the Hawkes family says in the new lawsuit. “The city wanted to appear to be following Chief Eden’s edict to record all encounters with civilians on the one hand, while, at the same time, preventing any damaging recordings from reaching the public.”

The family claims that Deputy City Attorney Kathy Levy told Chavez to “deny, withhold, obstruct, conceal, or even destroy records,” at times, and would tell him “there are items we just will not release and we will just pay the fines or lawsuits.”

Chavez also was told to find creative ways to dodge records requests, to “‘baffle’ or frustrate the requestor or otherwise burden them,” according to the complaint.

The Albuquerque Police Department did not respond to a request for comment.

The family seeks punitive damages for wrongful death, pain and suffering, deprivation of civil rights resulting in death, and costs of suit.

They are represented by Shannon Kennedy with Kennedy, Kennedy, and Ives, who did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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#30. To: Deckard (#25)

Sorry sport, this was a murder of an unarmed woman committed by two cops (likely homosexual) who attempted to cover up their crime by disabling their cameras.
Sorry sport, there was NO murder of an unarmed woman.
Trace evidence shows that the gun was registered to Michael Gaddy of Albuquerque. Gaddy was a friend Hawkes and had asked her to come to his house a week before Hawkes was shot. Erik Hawke was also a friend and he accused Hawkes of stealing the gun from Gaddy.
Oh, ”the” gun?

The gun was the one found by Hawkes after she was shot by the cop.

You may take time, if you like, to slowly read all this again, for at least the third time, since you are having great difficulty dealing with and accepting it.

After doing that, you will need to come to grips with the factuality that the trace evidence in the possession of the gun carried by Hawkes has completely disproven your wild “throw down” conjecture.

Give it up.

And, you also need to stop watching too many CSI television shows so that you will quit grasping at straws trying to look for something that is not there to protect a criminal.

However, if you choose to do so….you can continue with your CRAZY accusations as long as you want to.

But all you will be doing is to continue to show your ignorance and make more of an ass of yourself.

You are so predictable, in that is probably what you will continue to do ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   10:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: misterwhite (#29)

I thought he said the camera accidentally became unplugged.

Yep he sure did say that. His past history (according to the Chief of Police) would indicate that the cop is....what's that word again?

Oh right - LYING.

Dear, who said his lapel camera had become unplugged during the shooting, was fired later that year.

Police Chief Gorden Eden told the press that Dear demonstrated “a clear case of repeated insubordination and untruthfulness,” and had repeatedly failed to turn on his body camera.

I'm not the only one calling him a lar apparently.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   10:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#31)

You believe the Chief and yet you will not believe Dear?

Why is that?

What evidence can you show that the Chief was not also [“what is that word”] LYING….since you accuse Dear of lying?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard (#31)

"was fired later that year."

For something else, apparently. Otherwise he would have been fired right away.

But you want to tie the two together. Just like you want to believe the gun was a throw down.

Next time work with some facts, rather than your endless speculation.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#32)

"You believe the Chief and yet you will not believe Dear?"

Good point! The Chief is also a cop. A big cop. Meaning he's an even bigger liar.

Yet douchbag believes him. Why is that?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   10:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#33)

"was fired later that year."

For something else, apparently. Otherwise he would have been fired right away.

But you want to tie the two together. Just like you want to believe the gun was a throw down.

The article is misleading….typical yellow journalism.

The city’s personnel board voted 3-2 on November 2015 in favor of giving Jeremy Dear his job back with the Albuquerque Police Department.

He was reinstated in November 2015 …

Next time work with some facts, rather than your endless speculation.

Yea, sure he will….LOL.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   10:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: misterwhite, Gatlin (#34)

The Chief is also a cop. A big cop. Meaning he's an even bigger liar.

You two clowns are hilarious! Yeah - the chief was lying, sure.

Yeah, that's why Dear was fired, the mean cheefie made up lies about him.

"was fired later that year."

For something else, apparently. Otherwise he would have been fired right away.

I have no doubt that you actually believe that.

More's the pity.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   10:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#36) (Edited)

"was fired later that year."

For something else, apparently. Otherwise he would have been fired right away.

But you want to tie the two together.

I have no doubt that you actually believe that.

He, misterwhite, said “apparently” you dumb ass.

It is more than “apparent” that Dear was not fired for the incident here.

It is a obvious fact because the firing mentioned in the article occurred LAST YEAR.

Damn yellow journalism….always trying to mislead by twisting facts to fit their agenda.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   10:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#34)

"You believe the Chief and yet you will not believe Dear?"

Good point! The Chief is also a cop. A big cop. Meaning he's an even bigger liar.

Yet douchbag believes him. Why is that?

Yea, douchbag....WHY do you believe the Chief and not Dear?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   10:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#37)

Well, this thread has made one thing clear, submissive copsuckers with a psychological fetish for authority will go to any length to defend the egregious actions of their "heroes".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   10:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#39)

"Well, this thread has made one thing clear ..."

Yes it has.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   10:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Deckard. misterwhite (#39) (Edited)

Well, this thread has made one thing clear …
I would say more that one….at least two.

First:

The Chief fired Dear for what the Chief called “a clear case of repeated insubordination and untruthfulness.”

You said that Dear was fired for “lying.”

It is obvious that the city’s personnel board did not agree with you or the Chief that Dear was lying when they voted in favor of giving Jeremy Dear his job back with the APD.

Not even the APD spokeswoman, Celina Espinoza, agrees with you and the Chief when said the reason Officer Dear was fired “had little to do with the issue of lapel camera usage.”

Secondly:
The trace evidence in the possession of the gun carried by Hawkes has completely disproven your wild “throw down” conjecture.
"More's the pity."

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   11:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deckard (#39)

... go to any length to defend ...

"The truth does not need to be defended."

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   11:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#40)

"Well, this thread has made one thing clear ..."

Yes it has.

Yep, it surely has ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   11:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: misterwhite (#26)

" What explanation do you have for the FACT that the so called "throw down" handgun found next to her body was traced to a man who had exchanged Facebook messages with her?

I have no idea. Nor do I see the relevance.

You ignore unanswered questions, that might punch holes in your theory that it was a justified shooting. Simply because you are such a cop sucker you want to white wash them. For example, the fact that the gun she " allegedly " pointed at the cop did not have fingerprints on it, clearly indicates that it was planted. Yet you are unconcerned about that unexplained little fact. You are not Columbo material.

Look, I am NOT wanting to defend a criminal. But I do not want to defend a dirty cop. This case sounds like a dirty deal. Whether she was a meth head or not, I do not believe that cops are "above the law".

If that attitude is allowed to prevail, our society will break down. Then we will have widespread vigilante justice, and surviving family will commit acts of retribution. No one here, myself, you, or anyone else liked or approved when Cops were assassinated ( Dallas, New York, Pittsburgh, etc, etc ). Well, if cops act above the law, you will get a lot more of that. We all know, that there are dirty cops. I still think it is a small percentage, but it is growing. I do know good cops are frustrated when some slick talking lawyer gets a dick head judge to let a scumbag off the hook. But cops being above the law is not the answer.

Like the old saying: Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.

You may be fine with society breaking down, but I am not. I do not want predators roaming the streets. My wife, & my children still live & function in this society. I support the police & the job they are sworn to do, to protect my family & society, and maintain order. But I do not support police that sees everyone without a badge to be the enemy.

If you do not understand that, then it is good that they keep you out back washing cruisers.

I am done here.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-12-29   11:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Stoner (#44)

"did not have fingerprints on it, clearly indicates that it was planted."

So the cop stole the gun from the owner and planted it near the girl he shot who he knew was corresponding with the gun owner on Facebook.

She was a meth head who had been arrested many times. This time, she stole a truck then ran from the police. The autopsy showed she had a half-dozen different drugs in her system at the time of her death. She corresponded on Facebook with the owner of the gun found next to her body.

But because the officer's camera accidentally unplugged during the chase, your conclusion is that he murdered the girl and planted the gun.

What's wrong with you?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   12:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: misterwhite, Stoner (#45)

But because the officer's camera accidentally unplugged during the chase

You're sticking with that line of bullshit?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   12:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: misterwhite (#45)

" the officer's camera accidentally unplugged during the chase, your conclusion is that he murdered the girl and planted the gun.

What's wrong with you?

You should ask the same question of yourself

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-12-29   12:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: misterwhite (#45)

What's wrong with you?

I fail to understand why it is so difficult for someone to understand the fallacy of the “throw down theory” after reading this rebuttal from the Albuquerque Journal:

The police reports state that the serial number from the gun had been run through a national criminal information database as part of a separate investigation by APD’s Crimes Against Children Unit. That search traced the gun back to a Michael Gaddy of Albuquerque.

Gaddy was Facebook friends with Hawkes and had asked her to come to his house a week before Hawkes was shot. Hawkes also had messages on her Facebook account from Erik Hawke, who accused Hawkes of stealing a “piece” from his friend.

“Due to the fact that both Erik Hawke and Michael Gaddy are Facebook ‘friends’ with Mary Hawkes, it would appear there is evidence to suffice the origin of the .32 caliber firearm in Mary Hawkes’ possession on the evening,” APD Detective Matt Caplan wrote in a police report that has been submitted to the District Attorney’s Office.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   12:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deckard (#46)

"You're sticking with that line of bullshit?"

That didn't happen?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   12:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Deckard, misterwhite, Stoner (#46) (Edited)

But because the officer's camera accidentally unplugged during the chase

You're sticking with that line of bullshit?

And you are sticking to believing one cop over another cop without furnishing any information as to why.

The city’s personnel board agreed with Dear and voted on November 2015 in favor of giving Jeremy Dear his job back with the Albuquerque Police Department.

"More's the pity."

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   12:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Gatlin (#48)

They are not about to let the facts get in the way of the "real" story.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   12:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: misterwhite (#51) (Edited)

They are not about to let the facts get in the way of the "real" story.

They are not interested in the facts....their warped and slanted opinions are most important to them.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   12:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: misterwhite, Gatlin, Stoner (#51)

They are not about to let the facts get in the way of the "real" story.

Seriously?

Albuquerque cop Jeremy Dear reinstated after ‘repeated insubordination and untruthfulness’

Officials in Albuquerque, New Mexico, have agreed to reinstate a police officer who had been fired for routinely turning off his body camera, including during a fatal 2014 officer-involved shooting.

The city’s personnel board voted 3-2 on Tuesday in favor of giving Jeremy Dear his job back with the Albuquerque Police Department.


Officer Dear was fired last year as a result of what Police Chief Gorden Eden called “a clear case of repeated insubordination and untruthfulness,”

KRQE News reported last week.

In 2013, the police department ordered Officer Dear to begin recording all of his on-the-job interactions with city residents after the department received several complaints. Chief Eden said Officer Dear routinely failed to comply and had not switched on his lapel camera before fatally shooting a 19-year-old woman following a foot chase the following year.

Police department spokeswoman Celina Espinoza said the reason Officer Dear was fired “had little to do with the issue of lapel camera usage,” with other officials citing a routine disregard for the rules.

Chief Eden said the city will appeal the board’s decision to reinstate Officer Dear and said his termination had been sought because of “a clear case of repeated insubordination and untruthfulness.”

“As I’ve stated before, insubordination and untruthfulness tear at the fabric of public safety, especially when the officer makes a choice not to follow a lawful order,” Chief Eden said in a statement.

So - to recap. Dear was fired for repeated insubordination and untruthfulness and was rehired despite that.

Yeah - because having a lying, insubordinate cop on your force is what all departments should aspire to do.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   13:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#53) (Edited)

They are not about to let the facts get in the way of the "real" story.

Seriously?

Yea….SERIOUSLY!

The gun found by Hawkes at the time she was shot was registered to Erik Hawke, a friend of Mary Hawkes. Hawkes visited Hawke a week before she was shot. Michael Gaddy, another friend, accused her of stealing a gun from Hawkes a week before she was shot.

And here we have two idiots claiming that Jeremy Dear was able to get his hands on that weapon from either Hawke or Hawkes, carry it around for up to a week in a plastic zip lock bag before shooting Hawkes and throwing the weapon down beside her.

You assholes are bizarre….strange and unusual enough to especially cause temporary amusement.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   13:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Gatlin (#54)

“As I’ve stated before, insubordination and untruthfulness tear at the fabric of public safety, especially when the officer makes a choice not to follow a lawful order,” Chief Eden said in a statement.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   13:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Deckard (#55) (Edited)

“As I’ve stated before, insubordination and untruthfulness tear at the fabric of public safety, especially when the officer makes a choice not to follow a lawful order,” Chief Eden said in a statement.

Sure, you have...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   13:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Gatlin (#54)

"And here we have two idiots claiming that Jeremy Dear was able to get his hands on that weapon from either Hawke or Hawkes, carry it around for up to a week in a plastic zip lock bag before shooting Hawkes and throwing the weapon down beside her."

Plus, he'd have to know she was going to steal a truck in his jurisdiction and run away from him ... and he would have to know there was a connection between her and the other guys.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   13:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Deckard (#55)

“As I’ve stated before, insubordination and untruthfulness tear at the fabric of public safety, especially when the officer makes a choice not to follow a lawful order,” Chief Eden said in a statement.

And you believe him? He's a cop!

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   13:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Gatlin (#56)

Oh - so you disagree with that?

Having lying, insubordinate cops on the force is a "good thing?

You believe that Dear "accidentally" unplugged his camera when his past history shows repeated instances of him disobeying orders and turning his camera off?

Okey dokey.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   13:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: misterwhite (#58)

And you believe him? He's a cop!

From the looks of it - he's an honest cop.

At least he has the integrity to not try and make excuses for officer Dear.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   13:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Deckard (#59)

Having lying, insubordinate cops on the force is a "good thing?

Where it has been PROVEN they are lying, insubordinate cops on the force….of course NOT.

But I damned well will never rely on you and your conspiracy group of yellow journalists cohorts with whom you cooperate and collude….to try and dictate to me by deciding who is lying and who is not.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   14:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deckard. misterwhite (#60)

And you believe him? He's a cop!

From the looks of it - he's an honest cop.

From the "looks of it"....you can decide when someone is an honest cop?

BULLSHIT ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   14:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Gatlin (#61) (Edited)

Gatlin: insubordinate cop, proven liar, fired from the force = GOOD, honest COP

Police chief who supervised said cop, and is obviously a man of honesty and integrity = Liar

You're a real piece of work.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   14:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Gatlin (#62)

From the "looks of it"....you can decide when someone is an honest cop?

I can certainly read what he said and come to that conclusion.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-29   14:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Deckard (#64)

I can certainly read what he said and come to that conclusion.

That is because it is the ONLY conclusion you want to arrive at.

Face it ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   14:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deckard (#64)

can certainly read what he said and come to that conclusion.

That reminds me of your asshole libertarian buddy when he said: “I believe it when I read it….util it is proven wrong.”

You libertarian assholes have a weird way of looking at things.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   14:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Deckard (#66)

I took time to look it up. Here is what your libertarian buddy said:

Any conclusions I draw from an article and post in response are with the presumption that it is factually correct. Upon notice that stated facts are not correct, I am happy to revise my conclusions.
weird ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   15:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Gatlin (#62)

"From the "looks of it"....you can decide when someone is an honest cop?"

Would you expect anything else from someone who also says, "it's pretty certain that the weapon was a throw-down".

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-29   17:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: misterwhite (#68)

"From the "looks of it"....you can decide when someone is an honest cop?"

Would you expect anything else from someone who also says, "it's pretty certain that the weapon was a throw-down".

Well ...

No, of course not.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-29   18:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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