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Title: U.S. Abstains as U.N. Security Council Votes to Condemn Israeli Settlements
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/w ... -settlements-un-vote.html?_r=0
Published: Dec 23, 2016
Author: SOMINI SENGUPTA and RICK GLADSTONE
Post Date: 2016-12-23 18:00:34 by goldilucky
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Views: 18939
Comments: 101

UNITED NATIONS — Defying extraordinary pressure from President-elect Donald J. Trump and furious lobbying by Israel, the Obama administration on Friday allowed the United Nations Security Council to adopt a resolution that condemned Israeli settlement construction.

The administration’s decision not to veto the measure reflected its growing frustration over Israeli settlements, and broke a longstanding American policy of serving as Israel’s sturdiest diplomatic shield at the United Nations.

While the measure is not expected to have any practical impact on the ground, it is regarded as a major rebuff to Israel, one that could increase its isolation over the paralyzed peace process with Israel’s Palestinian neighbors, who have sought to establish their own state on territory held by Israel.

Applause broke out in the 15-member Security Council’s chambers after the vote on the measure, which passed 14-0, with the United States abstaining. Israel’s ambassador, Danny Danon, denounced the measure and castigated the council members who had approved it. Continue reading the main story

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“Would you ban the French from building in Paris?” he told them.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, who had scrambled in recent days to stop the measure from coming to a vote, released a blistering denunciation afterward.

“Israel rejects this shameful anti-Israel resolution at the U.N. and will not abide by its terms,” Mr. Netanyahu said in a statement. “At a time when the Security Council does nothing to stop the slaughter of half a million people in Syria, it disgracefully gangs up on the one true democracy in the Middle East, Israel, and calls the Western Wall ‘occupied territory.’ ”

The vote came a day after Mr. Trump personally intervened to keep the measure, proposed by Egypt, from coming up for a vote on Thursday, as scheduled. Mr. Trump’s aides said he had spoken to Mr. Netanyahu. Both men also spoke to the Egyptian president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. Egypt postponed the vote.

But in a show of mounting exasperation, four other countries on the Security Council — Malaysia, New Zealand, Senegal and Venezuela — all of them relatively powerless temporary members with rotating two-year seats, snatched the resolution away from Egypt and put it up for a vote Friday afternoon. Document: U.N. Security Council Draft Resolution on the Middle East Peace Process

The departing Obama administration has been highly critical of Israel’s settlement building, describing it as an impediment to a two-state solution in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that has long been the official United States position, regardless of the party in power.

Mr. Trump has made clear that he will take a far more sympathetic approach to Israel when his administration assumes office on Jan. 20.

Mr. Trump’s comments on the resolution amounted to his most direct intervention on United States foreign policy during his transition to power. Minutes after the Security Council vote was announced, Mr. Trump made his anger known in a Twitter posting:

Reaction to the resolution also illustrated fissures among American Jews regarding Israeli policy. Some, like the World Jewish Congress and American Jewish Committee, denounced the resolution, calling it a one-sided measure that would not help the peace process. Ronald S. Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, said in a statement: “It is also disconcerting and unfortunate that the United States, Israel’s greatest ally, chose to abstain rather than veto this counterproductive text.” Photo Construction at an Israeli settlement in the West Bank in 2015. Credit Tomas Munita for The New York Times

Other groups that have grown increasingly critical of the Israeli government’s approach to the peace process applauded the resolution and the Obama administration’s decision not to block it.

J Street, a Washington-based organization that advocates a two-state solution, said the resolution “conveys the overwhelming support of the international community, including Israel’s closest friends and allies, for the two-state solution, and their deep concern over the deteriorating status quo between Israelis and Palestinians and the lack of meaningful progress toward peace.”

The United States ambassador, Samantha Power, portrayed the abstention as consistent with the American disapproval of settlement-building, but she also criticized countries at the United Nations for treating Israel unfairly. She said the United States remained committed to its “steadfast support” for Israel and reminded the council that Israel received an enormous amount of American military aid.

Ms. Power said the United States chose not to veto the resolution, as it had done to a similar measure under Mr. Obama in 2011, because settlement building had accelerated so much that it had put the two-state solution in jeopardy, and because the peace process had gone nowhere.

“Today the Security Council reaffirmed its established consensus that settlements have no legal validity,” she said. “The United States has been sending a message that settlements must stop privately and publicly for nearly five decades.”

She rebuked Palestinian leaders for “too often” failing to condemn violence against Israeli civilians. But she also directed a portion of her remarks to Mr. Netanyahu, whose relations with the Obama administration have never been warm.

“One cannot simultaneously champion expanding Israeli settlements and champion a viable two-state solution that would end the conflict,” she said, arguing that the settlements have undermined Israel’s security.

Israel’s ambassador, Mr. Danon, who had exhorted the American delegation to block the measure, expressed his anger in a statement that looked forward to a change in policy under Mr. Trump.

“It was to be expected that Israel’s greatest ally would act in accordance with the values that we share and that they would have vetoed this disgraceful resolution,” he said.

The resolution condemned Israeli housing construction in East Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank as a “flagrant violation under international law” that was “dangerously imperiling the viability” of a future peace settlement establishing a Palestinian state.

The resolution also includes a nod to Israel and its backers by condemning “all acts of violence against civilians, including acts of terror, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction.” That language is diplomatic scolding aimed at Palestinian leaders, whom Israel accuses of encouraging attacks on Israeli civilians.

Hamas, the Palestinian group that controls Gaza and is deemed a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel, expressed appreciation to the Security Council. “We praise the countries that voted for the resolution,” said Hazem Kassem, a spokesman for the group. “We emphasize the need to turn such a resolution into action, not only to halt settlements but to eradicate Israel’s occupation in all its forms.”

Peter Baker contributed reporting from Jerusalem, and Mark Landler from Washington.

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#1. To: All (#0)

biblehub.com/kjv/obadiah/1.htm

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-23   18:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: goldilucky (#0)

“Would you ban the French from building in Paris?” he told them."

Nope. Because Paris is part of France.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-23   18:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: goldilucky (#0)

69% of Israeli Americans voted for Obama in 2012, and 78% in 2008. Obama is their boy, LMAO!

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-12-23   19:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: goldilucky (#0) (Edited)

The US created these artificial nations under the umbrella of the UN as though there is some maegiick sauce. This is the "shit" we get as a result.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-23   21:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: goldilucky (#0)

We need to tell the UN to move their headquarters off shore. Let them have a decommissioned aircraft carrier to talk their communist bullshit. The only contact the US should have with them is an ambassador that tells them the same thing every time he is asked, LEAVE US OUT OF IT, and WE are a sovereign nation, who does not recognize the authority of the UN.

Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-12-23   21:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#4)

You're right, Buckeroo. Israel was already recognized as a nation-state long before the United Nations stepped in to remake Israel.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-24   2:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nativist nationalist (#3)

That is because those who voted for Obama are not true Hebrews. A real Jew would have seen right through Obama.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-24   2:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jeremiad (#5)

We just need to dismantle the United Nations, period. If one understood the history of how the U.N. was born, you would never allow your leaders to become ambassadors to it at all.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-24   2:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#4)

You are a stupid liar. Asshole!

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   7:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

We always knew Obama was a radical Muslim. This was his parting gift to Hamas.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-12-24   8:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Israel was created by the UN.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   8:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

You are a dumb person spewing muslim lies.

You don't know shit screw you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   8:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#11)

Israel was created by the UN.

Morons like you must believe the French created the USA. Yes you surely believe that. But you're from California so you are expected to be dumb.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   9:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

I wish the US would leave the UN. This archaic nation building stuff causes wars, everywhere.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   10:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#14)

I wish the US would leave the UN. This archaic nation building stuff causes wars, everywhere.

I wish every time I took a shit, it was a solid gold bar... but since it's not, it doesn't cause me to post or say YELLA bullshit.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-24   10:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#4)

"The US created these artificial nations under the umbrella of the UN as though there is some maegiick sauce."

That territory -- known as the British Mandate -- belonged to the Ottoman Empire and was ceded to the UK to govern as their "prize" for winning WWI. They called that territory "Palestine". It was theirs to do with as they pleased.

In the following years the UK chopped up that territory to create Jordan, Israel and Palestine. The United States had nothing to do with it.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   10:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)

"You are a dumb person spewing muslim lies."

United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the United Nations General Assembly in 1947, called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.

Now if you want to say that Israel came into existence 3,000 years ago because some wandering Jews pitched a tent on some land, fine. But they left centuries ago.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   10:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: GrandIsland (#15)

The problem with your analogy is it doesn't apply. The USA unnecessarily meddles in other countries; there is no real, direct benefit anywhere in recorded history.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   11:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#16)

The United States had nothing to do with it.

And here, the discussion thread clearly demonstrates your ignorance. Why is the US voting on BS about Israel?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   11:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: goldilucky (#6)

"Israel was already recognized as a nation-state long before the United Nations stepped in to remake Israel."

Are you referring to the Kingdom of Israel located in Caanan 3,000 years ago?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   11:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#17)

But they left centuries ago.

There were actually Jews there continually.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#17)

United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the United Nations General Assembly in 1947, called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.

They call for a lot of things. It doesn't change the fact that the UN didn't create Israel.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#19)

"Why is the US voting on BS about Israel?

They're voting on UN Resolutions to halt the construction of Israeli settlements on non-Israeli land.

The US is not voting to "create artificial nations". Where do you come up with this crap?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   11:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

"It doesn't change the fact that the UN didn't create Israel."

If you want to play wordgames, please do it with someone else.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   11:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: misterwhite (#23)

to halt the construction of Israeli settlements on non-Israeli land.

Jeruasalem is 100 percent Israel land. So is the West bank and Gaza.

In fact they should get rid of all the muslims that are in Jerusalem Israel.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#23)

United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the United Nations General Assembly in 1947, called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   11:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#24)

If you want to play wordgames, please do it with someone else.

The UN didn't create Israel. The Jews did when they killed the muslim scum that was squatting on their land.

Don't play stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#26)

Who gives a shit what they passed. It didn't do squat on the ground. It is just an opinion from assholes. Yes assholes get it right sometimes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#28)

MUSLIM PROPAGANDA REMOVED.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   11:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#21)

"There were actually Jews there continually."

Meaning what? That since a few Jews hung around they're entitled to all the land west of Jordan?

And what of the Palestinians? Will they be welcome in a one-state solution or should we round up the boxcars for them?

UN 181 outlined a State for the Jews AND a State for the Palestinians. Finally, Israel has a state of it's own. But that wasn't good enough I guess. The Palestinians must be driven out and ALL the land given to Israel. Right?

Or, Israel will slowly take it.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   11:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: misterwhite (#30)

"There were actually Jews there continually."

Meaning what?

You were incorrect again.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite (#30)

And what of the Palestinians? Will they be welcome in a one-state solution or should we round up the boxcars for them?

Bulldozers

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: misterwhite (#30)

UN 181 outlined a State for the Jews AND a State for the Palestinians. Finally, Israel has a state of it's own. But that wasn't good enough I guess. The Palestinians must be driven out and ALL the land given to Israel. Right?

Or, Israel will slowly take it.

Here let me make this clear for you.

Fuck the UN. They dicn't create shit they only tried to steal Israels land.

The Palestinians should go to muslim lands. Israel is for the Jews.

Yes Isreal should take it all back. Some of Jordan too.

Why do you worship the UN?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#26)

"United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the United Nations General Assembly in 1947, called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states."

Correct. The UN partitioned Palestine, not the US.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   11:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite (#34)

Correct. The UN partitioned Palestine, not the US.

I'm not sure if you are a liar or just dumb.

The UN had an opinion that is all. The JEws created Israel.

Why do you worship the UN?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-24   11:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: misterwhite (#34)

The UN partitioned Palestine, not the US.

The US CREATED the UN, you idiot.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   12:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#33)

"Why do you worship the UN?"

I don't. But you should. After all, they gave ... yes, gave ... land to the Jews so they could finally have their own State.

Your response? Fuck the UN. Their gift to the Jews wasn't big enough. So Israel is going to take more and the Palestinians will never have their State. And they're not welcome in Israel either.

Now you want part of Jordan, too? Well, there's your answer to the question, "Why do people hate us?"

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   12:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#36)

"The US CREATED the UN, you idiot."

All by itself, huh?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   12:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#35)

"The UN had an opinion that is all. The JEws created Israel."

Yeah. That "opinion" was called UN Resolution 181 and defined the boundaries for the new State of Israel and the new State of Palestine.

I don't care what the Jews created in those boundaries.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   12:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#38)

Pretty much. After WW2, the US grabbed a few European nations that were destroyed and they adopted the buddy-buddy system.

Now, we are stuck with total BS. The UN is a worthless organization.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   12:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#25)

"Jeruasalem is 100 percent Israel land. So is the West bank and Gaza."

Because you say so? You're gonna need more than that, given that every nation on earth disagrees with you.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   12:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeroo (#40)

"The UN is a worthless organization."

That may be, but now you're changing the subject. You claimed the US created Israel. You're wrong. It was created by UN 181.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   12:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: goldilucky (#0)

This is one point that Obama has right and Trump has wrong. I'm sure Trump's anti Islamic extremist position plays into his thinking, but hopefully after he's in office and sees the pointless annual $3 billion in aid, along with Israel's lack of interest in ME peace, he'll change his tune.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-12-24   13:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pinguinite (#43)

If I were Trump, I'd like to hear the details of Israel's one-state solution -- which is where they're headed.

Given that the number of Palestinians is almost identical to the number of Israelis, how will this work? (By the way, over half of Israeli citizens want a two-state solution.)

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   13:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Pinguinite (#43)

"and sees the pointless annual $3 billion in aid"

A little bit more than that:

"... the U.S. will give Israel $38 billion over 10 years, by far a new record for U.S. aid commitments ..."

And Israel is showing their gratitude by using that money to build settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem. And to pay for universal heath care for it's citizens. And to pay for free college.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-24   14:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#18)

That's your excuse for posting YELLA bullshit?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-24   19:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GrandIsland (#46)

Well ....... Merry Christmas to you, too.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-24   20:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: misterwhite (#20)

There was no Kingdom of Israel. It was called The Kingdom of Judah. It became Israel as named after the Hebrew Patriarch, Jacob as so appointed by God Himself.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-25   1:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Pinguinite (#43)

I really don't trust either one of these two guys on this issue. The best thing that could happen is for the United Nations to fold or cease to exist and let Israel run it's own country.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-25   1:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#35)

It is one thing to have an opinion yet still another to appoint elected officers to make a Resolution on the very existence of the State of Israel.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-25   1:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo, misterwhite (#36)

The US CREATED the UN, you idiot.

That is correct. And prior to the U.N coming into existence it was formerly referred to as the League of Nations.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-25   2:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: goldilucky (#51)

Thanks. But the problem with all this chit-chat is the establishment of world governance through so-called "official" organizations that may declare national sovereignty anywhere based on so-called member state voting. Of course, the opposite is true, too; the disenfranchisement of national sovereignty may be exercised.

All this international intrigue and meddling does, is stir the pot further manifesting wars EVERYWHERE; it has not solved anything, anywhere and at anytime; the US needs to expel the UN from the US soil, eliminate funding to the UN and quit policing the world.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-25   10:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeroo (#52)

"... is the establishment of world governance through so-called "official" organizations that may declare national sovereignty anywhere based on so-called member state voting."

Damn. Sounds like you're describing the U.S. Congress.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-25   11:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: goldilucky (#49)

"... and let Israel run it's own country."

I agree.

Of course, that country excludes the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza as adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967.

The same UN Resolution that created Israel also designated that territory for a future Palestinian State.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-25   11:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: goldilucky (#48)

"There was no Kingdom of Israel. It was called The Kingdom of Judah."

Both existed. The Kingdom of Israel in the north and the Kingdom of Judah in the south.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-25   11:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: misterwhite (#53)

Sounds like you're describing the U.S. Congress.

The "reach" was within the US Congress immediately after WW2. The establishment of the CIA afterwards has DESTROYED the US. Why do you think we have all this 20 TRILLION debt? It is because, we really don't know how to keep our hands out of the steaming, hot pot of international intrigue.

As a country, all the US has done is meddle. We are a failed nation considering we haven't won a war since WW2 and yet, we want to meddle and meddle and meddle into perpetuity.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-25   11:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: buckeroo (#56)

"As a country, all the US has done is meddle."

I agree we should no longer fight Israel's wars for them. That includes Iraq, Iran, Lybia, Lebanon and Syria.

Withdraw our $38 billion aid package to Israel and tell them they're on their own. Only then will Israel have the incentive to stop being a bully and actually sit down and negotiate peace.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-25   12:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: misterwhite (#57)

$38 billion would buy a nice wall for our southern border.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-25   12:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: misterwhite (#57)

Withdraw our $38 billion aid package to Israel and tell them they're on their own. Only then will Israel have the incentive to stop being a bully and actually sit down and negotiate peace.

For perhaps the first time ever, we agree completely.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-12-25   12:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Roscoe (#58)

"$38 billion would buy a nice wall for our southern border."

Yep. Just as our tax dollars built the wall in Israel -- ten miles over the Green Line into the West Bank, encompassing the fertile land and aquifers.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-25   12:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Pinguinite (#59)

Israel negotiated peace with the Arabs in Egypt. Israel negotiated peace with the Arabs in Jordan. So a peace treaty with the Arabs IS possible.

As a matter of fact, the 22-nation Arab League endorsed the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative in which the Arab states would consider the Arab–Israeli conflict over, sign a peace agreement with Israel, achieve peace for all states in the region, and establish normal relations with Israel -- ie., recognize Israel's right to exist.

Israel told them to go fuck themselves.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-25   12:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: misterwhite (#57)

Only then will Israel have the incentive to stop being a bully

You support bullies all the time.

Israel is no bully. You're a cuck to a muslim shit suckers.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-25   13:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeroo (#52)

The problem with "official " organizations like the U.N. is they have overstepped their boundaries concerning jurisdictions with other countries. And the Resolutions (such as Res. 181) on the State of Israel is soon to be null and voided. Other Mid East nations actually want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. Now that U.S. abstains from even contributing their own vote on the State of Israel should tell us all that we're in this for the long haul. The U.S. created the U.N. for the purpose of avoiding other countries constitutions and parliamentary processes of dealing with their own nation states. We (The Secretary of State) have become our very own enemy and even were our allied nations to point this out to us, we would fail to see this. We let policy dictate to nations rather than staying the hell out of their business, period. Our own Constitution makes it very clear that we shall make no treaties with other nations at all.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-25   16:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: goldilucky (#63)

Good post, goldilucky. Not much more that I can add but these international organizations drag us into "taking sides" into politics that can not be solved with a vote and indeed, require war drums.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-25   16:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#62)

"Israel is no bully."

Then why are they building settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem? Why did they build the wall 10 miles over the Green Line? Why do they refuse the Arab Peace Initiative?

Actions of a bully.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   10:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: misterwhite (#65)

Then why are they building settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem?

Are you really that fucking stupid? A place to live for their people. Fucking stupid question.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   10:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: misterwhite (#65)

Why did they build the wall 10 miles over the Green Line?

Green line is imaginary. They built a will to protect their people from your muslim cousin scumbags.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   10:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: misterwhite (#65)

Why do they refuse the Arab Peace Initiative?

Because they don't trust lying muslin pieces of shit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   10:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: misterwhite (#65)

Actions of a bully

No those would be the illegal and immoral acts that police do all over the country, then you cheer them on.

Not building houses for your people and protecting them from terrorists.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   10:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#68)

"Because they don't trust lying muslin pieces of shit."

Hmmmm. Israel trusted the lying muslin pieces of shit in Egypt and Jordan when they signed peace treaties with those countries. Or are they a different kind of lying muslin pieces of shit?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   11:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: A K A Stone (#69)

"Not building houses for your people and protecting them from terrorists."

Ah! So Israel is building those settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem because they're out of room. I see.

Do you really believe that building houses for your people on land that is not yours is protecting them from terrorists ... or are you putting them in harms way?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   11:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: misterwhite (#70)

Or are they a different kind of lying muslin pieces of shit?

Yes they are different. They could actually be somewhat trusted to deliver. The Palestinians are not nation and have no business being involved in anything. Other then being pushed out of Israel.

You are obviously of Arab decent.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: misterwhite (#71)

Ah! So Israel is building those settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem because they're out of room. I see.

Lets try to keep your brain consistent.

So we shouldn't have urban sprawl. We should all live in the cities and not build anywhere away from the cities because we still have room.

That is the argument of a dip shit.

They can build anywhere on their land they want to. Comprende?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: misterwhite (#71)

Do you really believe that building houses for your people on land that is not yours is protecting them from terrorists ..

Quit lying. It is their land.

But you are squatting on indian land. Get out of your house and go back to Mecca.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: misterwhite (#71)

or are you putting them in harms way?

Stupid question from an anti semite muslim lover.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: misterwhite (#71)

Truthfully your views on Israel are inconsistent with all of your other views which are somewhat mainstream.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: A K A Stone (#74)

"Quit lying."

Nope. The 4th Geneva Convention, which Israel voluntarily signed, says that you cannot transer civilians to land taken in a war. Need a quote? Need a link?

"It is their land."

Now you're the one who's lying.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   11:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: misterwhite (#77)

Nope. The 4th Geneva Convention, which Israel voluntarily signed, says that you cannot transer civilians to land taken in a war. Need a quote? Need a link?

"It is their land."

Israel is the land of the jews. Not your muslim cousins.

At least we know you outed yourself as an Arab. Nothing wrong with Arabs per say. Except the Muslim ones.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone (#72)

"The Palestinians are not nation and have no business being involved in anything. Other then being pushed out of Israel."

The Palestinians never went to war with Israel. The First Intifada wasn't until 1987, 20 years after Israel was told by the world to exit the West Bank and Gaza.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   11:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: misterwhite (#77)

Nope. The 4th Geneva Convention, which Israel voluntarily signed, says that you cannot transer civilians to land taken in a war. Need a quote? Need a link?

You cannot take away land that you already own.

Do you have a third grade brain?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: misterwhite (#79)

20 years after Israel was told by the world

Oh you are a globalist Arab. Trump is going to destroy your type.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: misterwhite (#79)

Supporters of Global government can't be American patriots.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: A K A Stone (#78)

"Israel is the land of the jews."

I agree. But the boundaries of Israel are not defined by where the jews happen to pitch their tents.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   11:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: A K A Stone (#80)

"You cannot take away land that you already own."

Oh? Israel is taking away the land designated for the Palestinian State.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   11:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: misterwhite (#83)

I agree. But the boundaries of Israel are not defined by where the jews happen to pitch their tents.

They are defined in the book that i'm starting to think you hate. The Bible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: misterwhite (#84)

"You cannot take away land that you already own."

Oh? Israel is taking away the land designated for the Palestinian State.

Look dipshit. This is more proof. The UN declared a Palestinian state. It was just their opinion because there is not one. Just like their opinion of a Jewish state. They were just opinions.

All of Israel is for the Jews. Part of what is called Jordan is actually Israel. Possibly Egypt too.

It doesn't really matter what you think. You are just a barking mad dog.

It doesn't matter my opinion either. There are real facts. They are building houses on their land. You can whine and cry all you want. It will not change.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   11:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: A K A Stone (#86)

"All of Israel is for the Jews."

Not according to the Jews in 1947 when they gladly accepted the land given to them by UN Resolution 181.

NOW they say the gift wasn't enough and they insist on taking more? Well, there's gratitude for you.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   12:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#85)

"They are defined in the book that i'm starting to think you hate. The Bible."

It appears the Arabs haven't read that particular book.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   12:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: misterwhite (#87)

Not according to the Jews in 1947 when they gladly accepted the land given to them by UN Resolution 181.

Nothing was gift wrapped and turn key ready. That is the bullshit you arabs and the UN spew. Israel declared its independence then had to kill muslim scum. That is how they got Israel back. Not some gift wrapped package from you globalists at the UN.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   12:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: A K A Stone (#86)

"They are building houses on their land."

Nope. That land has been assigned the Palestinian State.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-26   12:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: misterwhite (#88)

It appears the Arabs haven't read that particular book.

It doesn't matter if you or your Arab cousins read the book.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   12:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: misterwhite (#90)

Nope. That land has been assigned the Palestinian State.

That is what you globalists don't get. You just proclaim things and expect them to be true. The UN proclaimed an Israel and a Palistinian state. One problem they UN doesn't get to decide. They are a fiction. They offered an opinion. You being naive swallowed the UN semen.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   12:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: misterwhite (#87)

NOW they say the gift wasn't enough and they insist on taking more? Well, there's gratitude for you.

What Israel didn't kill every enemy muslim scum cousin of yours. Now they want a state. Lol. They were given the gift of life and that is never enough for you Arabs. You Arabs are a deceitful lot. Liars in other words.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   12:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: misterwhite (#87)

Not according to the Jews in 1947 when they gladly accepted the land given to them by UN Resolution 181.

Trump said the U.N. “is just a club for people to get together, talk and have a good time.”

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-26   21:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: misterwhite (#87) (Edited)

Not according to the Jews in 1947 when they gladly accepted the land given to them by UN Resolution 181.

According to the Torah, that land given to the Jews by some U.N. resolution was never binding in the first place because the Promised Land given to them was by Divine Right. Even the Star of David is considered a graven image in the eyes of the Lord.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-26   22:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: goldilucky (#95)

"According to the Torah, that land given to the Jews by some U.N. resolution was never binding in the first place because the Promised Land given to them was by Divine Right."

And that information can be found in a holy book ... written by Jews.

The Jews left that "Promised Land" thousands of years ago. Some returned to that land after WWII, and were constantly fighting with the Palestinians who resided there.

The UK, who administered that territory, had enough and told the UN to partition the land. They did so in UN Resolution 181.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-27   10:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: A K A Stone (#94)

"Trump said the U.N. “is just a club for people to get together, talk and have a good time.”

Hmmm. If that's true, then why is Israel so upset with them?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-27   10:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: A K A Stone (#93)

"What Israel didn't kill every enemy muslim scum cousin of yours. Now they want a state."

The Palestinians were civilians. They never joined the Arab states in fighting the Israelis. Had they, Israel would have been wiped off the map.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-27   10:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: misterwhite (#96) (Edited)

The Jews left that "Promised Land" thousands of years ago. Some returned to that land after WWII, and were constantly fighting with the Palestinians who resided there.

They never "left" the Promised Land. They were forced out by the Romans during the Roman conquest. Many of these Hebrews were captured and sold into slavery and scattered about other lands and even there were sold. Many of them were sold and brought here into the United States which many of our Forefathers recognized but used them anyways.

The UK and the UN had no right to partition that territory at all. No right whatsoever! All of those nations who played an equal role in separating land that was rightfully to the Hebrew people are responsible for what is happening in Israel right now.

And that information can be found in a holy book ... written by Jews.

The bible was written by Black Hebrews.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-27   11:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: misterwhite (#90)

Nope. That land has been assigned the Palestinian State.

Trump to Palestine: You Don’t Exist!

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   10:55:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: misterwhite (#98)

The Palestinians were civilians. They never joined the Arab states in fighting the Israelis. Had they, Israel would have been wiped off the map.

Here ya go clueless.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. ...

https://www.google.com/url? sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiU0pvVsrDRAhV q9IMKHVl6BxkQFghBMAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhistory.state.gov%2Fmilestones%2F1945 -1952%2Farab-israeli- war&usg=AFQjCNE9wmF4i7wXAQs7IXa9rArIfrQPsA&bvm=bv.142059868,d.eWE

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   10:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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