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Title: The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System
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URL Source: https://answersingenesis.org/astron ... d-the-age-of-the-solar-system/
Published: Aug 1, 2001
Author: Dr. Danny R. Faulkner
Post Date: 2016-12-18 00:26:07 by A K A Stone
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Views: 1343
Comments: 6

According to theory, the Sun derives energy by the thermonuclear conversion of hydrogen into helium, deep inside its core. There is convincing evidence that the Sun is getting at least half of its energy by this method. Such a thermonuclear source could power the Sun for nearly 10 billion years. Most scientists think that the Sun (along with the rest of the solar system) is about 4.6 billion years old, which means it would have exhausted approximately half its “life.”

Over the Sun’s lifetime, the thermonuclear reactions would, according to theory, gradually change the composition of the core of the Sun and alter the Sun’s overall physical structure. Because of this process, the Sun would gradually grow brighter with age. Thus, if the Sun is indeed 4.6 billion years old, it should have brightened by nearly 40% over this time.1

Evolutionists maintain that life appeared on the Earth around 3.8 billion years ago. Since then, the Sun would have brightened about 25%,2 though there is some uncertainty in that figure.3 This would appear to present a temperature problem for the evolution of life and the Earth. With the current hand-wringing over global warming, one would expect that such a large difference in the solar output would have greatly increased the Earth’s temperature over billions of years. Yet most biologists and geologists believe that the Earth has experienced a nearly constant average temperature over the past 4.6 billion years, with perhaps warmer conditions prevailing early on.4 The problem of how the Sun could have increased in brightness while the Earth maintained a constant temperature is called the ‘early faint Sun paradox’.

Just how great is the problem? A simple calculation can be made assuming that, over time, there has been no change in the Earth’s reflectivity or the ability of the Earth to radiate heat. While this approach is almost certainly unrealistic, it is useful to illustrate the problem. With these assumptions, we find that a 25% increase in solar luminosity increases the average temperature of the Earth by about 18°C. Since the current average temperature of the Earth is 15°C, the average temperature of the Earth 3.8 billion years ago would have been below freezing (-3°C). Thus when life supposedly was just beginning, much of the Earth would have been frozen.

Even with such a low average temperature some tropical portions of the Earth may have remained ice-free. Naturally, evolutionists could argue that life developed in the warmer areas and then held on until the Earth warmed. However, there are at least two problems with this.

Most geologists seem to insist that over the past 3.8 billion years the average temperature of the Earth has not changed that much. If anything, temperatures before 2.5 billion years ago would have been warmer.

If the Earth had ever been mostly covered with ice year round, then its average temperature would have been even cooler than the -3°C mentioned above. The increased ice cover would increase the reflectivity of the Earth, reducing the heat absorbed from the Sun. This is a common problem with the popular idea of multiple ice ages—once one commences in earnest, the increased reflectivity due to additional ice cover leads to decreased solar heat absorption that is difficult to reverse toward a warmer climate. (The Oard model of a single post-Flood Ice Age caused by warm oceans and volcanic dust in the atmosphere does not have this problem.5 As the volcanic dust eventually dissipated, the oceans provided the heat to melt back much of the ice cover.)

How do evolutionists resolve the early faint Sun paradox? Most assume that the early atmosphere of the Earth had more greenhouse gases than the current atmosphere. This would have kept the Earth warm despite the Sun being less luminous at the time. As the Sun increased in brightness, the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is supposed to have decreased in such a way as to exactly cancel the increased heat received from the Sun. In other words, as the Sun evolved, the Earth’s atmosphere also evolved to cancel out the effect of the increased solar luminosity. The evolution of life is supposed to have played a role in this evolution of the atmosphere.

Clearly, such evolution of the Earth’s atmosphere would require a very delicate balancing act. While there is some tolerance for deviation, any prolonged deviation from ideal conditions could have led to catastrophic heating or cooling from which the Earth might not have recovered. Venus and Mars are possibly examples of each of these scenarios.

Planetary scientists think that while the Earth and Venus are very similar, Venus’ closer proximity to the sun gave that planet an initial temperature higher than that of the Earth that led to a runaway greenhouse effect. As a result, today Venus has the hottest surface temperature in the solar system. Conversely, Mars is a very cold planet today, yet there is abundant evidence that, early in its history, liquid water once flowed on its surface, indicating that Mars was much warmer. Most researchers say this happened about 3.8 billion years ago. However, at that time the Sun would have been 25% fainter than today. Therefore, the early faint Sun paradox provides a very different problem for Mars: why was that planet much warmer when the Sun was at its faintest?

With the obviously disastrous results on our nearest planetary neighbours, how did the Earth avoid a similar fate? How did the Earth’s atmosphere manage to evolve in such a delicate fashion? One possibility is that it just happened that way. The geological and biological processes removed greenhouse gases at exactly the same average rate to compensate for the increased solar luminosity. What would be the probability of this happening by chance?

Because the evolution of such a delicate balance is so improbable, some have suggested that the Earth’s biosphere behaves as a giant single organism. This pantheistic idea, seriously proposed by scientist James Lovelock, has been dubbed the Gaia hypothesis, after the goddess of the Earth. Repelled by the teleological connotations, many scientists reject the Gaia hypothesis, opting for the appeal to chance.

Of course, another logical possibility is that the solar system is only thousands of years old. In this case, there is no paradox to explain because the Sun has not been around long enough to increase much in luminosity. Many may object that we know that the Sun is 4.6 billion years old, but that is not true. There is no direct way of measuring the age of the Sun. Our understanding of the Sun’s structure does not permit a precise calculation of how bright a ‘zero age’ Sun should be compared with a 4.6-billion-year- old Sun. All that we can conclude is that the older Sun should be brighter than the younger Sun. The 4.6-billion-year age comes from the alleged age of meteorites, and it is assumed that the Sun is the same age. Of course creationists reject the billion-year age for meteorites as well.

So, the early faint Sun paradox is evidence that the Sun, and therefore the solar system, is young and consistent with the 6,000-year age of the solar system as recorded by Biblical chronology.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Thus, if the Sun is indeed 4.6 billion years old, it should have brightened by nearly 40% over this time.1

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So, the early faint Sun paradox is evidence that the Sun, and therefore the solar system, is young and consistent with the 6,000-year age of the solar system as recorded by Biblical chronology.

It's good to identify and bring up inconsistencies in various theories, but when one is found, the simplest solution that is least upsetting to the understanding of all others is likely the correct one.

In this case, it's simpler to discount the first statement than conclude that the earth cannot be as old as geologic, (other) astronomic and biologic evidence suggests that it is.

Why the universe cannot be as incomprehensibly old as it is large has never been adequately explained to me by creationists.

By my understanding of things, there is no conflict between evolutionary theory and our value as immortal spiritual entities though I do understand why there is with literal biblical interpretation.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-12-18   8:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

IN THE BEGINNING.... It means literally that, and has no relationship to following events in Genesis except in that they followed the beginning. We really have no way to know the beginning from the end. Scientists arrogantly say they do now or will in the future. Those who believe in creation, falsely believe they also do.

There is no direct way of measuring the age of the Sun.

Scientists have no way of knowing or measuring accurately. The rate of decay is based on best evidence of a species that didn't even know there was such a thing not long ago.

As far as I am concerned, we are not the first incarnation of intelligent humans on this planet. Civilizations have risen and fallen, and probably were more advanced than we are right now. As fast as man makes new discoveries, other men decide whether to accept or destroy them. We have not changed over the millenia, arrogance and ignorance it seems are prerequisites to rise to leadership positions no matter the era.

Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-12-18   22:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jeremiad (#2)

As far as I am concerned, we are not the first incarnation of intelligent humans on this planet. Civilizations have risen and fallen, and probably were more advanced than we are right now.

The fossil record says creation.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-18   22:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#1)

n this case, it's simpler to discount the first statement than conclude that the earth cannot be as old as geologic, (other) astronomic and biologic evidence suggests that it is.

Circular reasoning One answer is circular reasoning: many scientists believe the world is old because they believe most other scientists think the world is old. Although a given scientist may be well aware of evidence that is not consistent with long ages, it is very tempting to dismiss such evidence because, “How could all those other scientists really be wrong?” How many of those other scientists believe in long ages simply because they also think that other scientists do? A majority opinion can become self-sustaining through circular reasoning; people believe because other people believe. It is surprising that many people do not realize the inconsistency here.

Many times, the circular reasoning can be cross-disciplinary. A geologist may feel assured that the earth is billions of years old since most astronomers believe that the solar system is billions of years old. However, an astronomer may feel confident that the solar system is billions of years old since the majority of geologists accept this for the age of the earth. Of course, the majority opinion can be wrong. In fact, many scientific discoveries have gone against the majority. Nonetheless, the psychological pressure to agree with the majority is a very powerful and well-documented phenomenon.2

https://answersingenesis.org/answers/books/taking-back-astronomy/the-age-of- the-universe-part-1/

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-18   22:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Creation doesn't necessarily mean we are the only ones.

Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-12-18   22:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)

I've skimmed through much of that article (after removing the space from the link). No one should try to make evidence fit into a pre-conceived outcome. That is true for secular scientists, i.e. by the way of deciding beforehand the age of the earth is 4.7 billion years old, but neither should anyone try to make evidence fit the 6000 year old model. The evidence needs to be accepted as is, and I'm sorry to say that any one who concludes the earth is 6000 years old because the bible says it is who then sets out to research geologic and astronomic evidence for the age of the earth is doing so with a heavy and inappropriate bias. Our environment is complex enough that evidence conforming to most wishful beliefs can be found if one searches hard enough.

I also saw this unfair claim made against the Big Bang theory:

The big bang is a secular speculation about the origin of the universe; it is an alternative to the Bible. The big bang attempts to explain the origin of the universe without God.

I have never heard anyone make any statement about the Big Bang being an event that happened either with or without God's involvement. The theory is that it happened, but the cause of the event has hardly ever been speculated on, especially since the theory is that time itself, at least in this universe, was created with the event. I personally think it lends credence to an extra-dimensional cause, and could well involve what we would consider a divine, intelligent act.

But at the end of the day, it's not important to me how we got here, whether by evolution or creation, or how old the earth and universe really are. It's enough for me to conclude that we ARE here and that we are faced with the challenges of everyday life. Our calling is to deal with the challenges that life has presented to us and to learn and grow to be more wise and loving, among other things. I don't see our academic knowledge about earth's history to be of interest to God. Instead, it's what is in the heart that is important, in how we interact with other people. I do recognize that you and others have a motive for proving the bible as the literal word of God via Genisis as by doing so it would authenticate the overall christian message. To that, I guess I would just say "good luck".

Best.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-12-19   9:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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