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Title: 'They don't give a f*** if I die out here in this cold weather': Denver police forced to defend officers after they were filmed taking blankets from homeless people on a freezing night
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... -blankets-homeless-people.html
Published: Dec 17, 2016
Author: Liam Quinn
Post Date: 2016-12-17 14:23:21 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 51055
Comments: 129

  • Footage was widely shared showing homeless people on the street in Denver
  • A group of officers dragged blankets from people and then carried them away
  • The videos were published by the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado
  • The rights group has called the Denver Police approach in the videos 'cruel'
  • Denver Mayor Michael Hancock denied what was seen is a 'widespread practice'

The Denver Police Department has been forced to defend its officers after shocking video emerged of cops taking blankets and survival gear from homeless people in the freezing cold.

Footage was widely circulated this week showing as many as nine officers standing over a group of homeless people, pulling blankets off them as they slept and sat on the sidewalk.

In a video published on November 29 shortly after 2:30am, two officers stacked the blankets in piles and then carried them away.

The blankets were taken as 'evidence' the homeless people in the video were committing a crime by violating the city's urban camping ban.

'We are taking your tent and sleeping bag as evidence of a crime,' one of the officers told a homeless man, who the video claims is a veteran.

'It's cold out here, and (the police) are telling me they don't give a f*** about whether I die out here in this cold weather,' the homeless man was heard saying in the footage.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado shared the videos this week, and included a letter to Denver Mayor Michael Hancock and the Denver City Council demanding officers stop taking things from homeless people.

'It is not an inherent crime to sleep outside, and many people right now have no other viable option,' ACLU of Colorado Executive Director Nathan Woodliff-Stanley said.

'Denver’s shelters are simply unable to serve all people in the Denver area experiencing homelessness, even in the short term, much less as a long-term solution.

'Until real solutions become Denver’s priority, the city’s ongoing policing-first approach to homelessness is a cruel waste of funds, curtailing fundamental constitutional rights, causing deep human suffering, and endangering lives.'

Hancock defended his officers, saying it is not a 'widespread practice', and claimed the homeless people were protesters.

'The video clip... was actually three individuals who were protesting and setting up camp in front of city hall,' he said, according to CBS Local.

'And after the police asked them to move, they did not, they were cited and their equipment was taken as evidence.

'But this is not a widespread practice throughout the city and we wanted to make sure that it didn’t go any further and that people understand this is not how we want to operate during these frigid temperatures.'

The Denver Police Department also released a statement, saying it took the equipment from the people in the videos because they were 'illegally camping'.

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#43. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#42)

Under the constitution. You have a right to peacefully protest. It doesn't limit what you can bring to the protest. Like something to keep you warm. Which i'm sure the founders understood since they didn't have modern conveniences.

allow sneakypete to post or otherwise make comments on LF. I think you are getting the focus of individual liberties, which is the entire idea of the USA and some of our brothers-in-arms.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-17   21:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#40)

Local ordinances do not override the first amendment.

There is no constitutional right to CAMPING off your own property. Your suggestion is YELLA, yet again. They can protest without camping.

We had a local ordnance for loud music after a certain hour. When writing a local ordinance ticket didn't work, and I was dispatched BACK for another loud music complaint, I confiscated their music making equipment and speakers, as evidence. I remember my old DA not approving of the taking of the evidence... but he wasn't the person who had to babysit, repeatedly, the assholes. So I paid no mind to his opinion.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   21:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#43)

allow sneakypete

You must be his "partner". You defend him like he's your lover.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   21:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: GrandIsland (#44) (Edited)

Your local ordnance is a bag of shit.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-17   21:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GrandIsland (#44)

There is no constitutional right to CAMPING off your own property. Your suggestion is YELLA, yet again. They can protest without camping.

There is nothing in the constitution that limits when they can protest.

The founders didn't have hotels with furnaces. They would have had tents and fires to protest long term.

It isn't yellow it is truth.

They did nothing unlawful or immoral. They did something illegal under color of law.

I guess we just disagree. That is ok. We will agree on other issues.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   21:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#46)

Do your local ordnance is a bag of shit.

Could you fix that so sober people can read it?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   21:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: GrandIsland (#48)

sure.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-17   21:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#47)

There is nothing in the constitution that limits when they can protest.

There's nothing in the constitution that allows them to break the law while they protest either.

They can't stand in the road to protest... and they can't violate other laws, such as unauthorized camping, either.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   21:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#46)

Your local ordnance is a bag of shit.

You should try that as a defense for violating the local law. Tell me how well it works.

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   21:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GrandIsland (#50)

So there is no liberty to voice an opinion?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-12-17   21:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#10)

If anyone is not willing to work ...
There is not much to be said for a homeless person who is not willing to work. However, if a homeless person in Denver is willing to and wants to work, they can take full advantage of the city of Denver’s new program. According to the site Denverite.com. The Denver Day Works Program offers homeless people day labor work needed by the city. A contractor, Bayaud Enterprises, runs the program for the city. People who sign up can choose to work a half day or full day for at least $12.59 per hour, far better than Colorado's $8.31. That's even better than the proposed $12 an hour minimum wage that appeared on November 8 as a ballot initiative.

There is always a choice in life. A homeless person in Denver can choose to sleep free in a bed in a homeless shelter the Mayor has guaranteed is free and available for him, a homeless person in Denver can also choose work as a day laborer for the city earning at least $12.59 per hour and choose the hours they wish to work….or a homeless person can refuse all of this and try to camp out in front of the Denver City and County Building as a protest, receive citations for illegally camping and have their blanket and tent taken for evidence….as 3 homeless persons did.

If the homeless definitely had no warm place provided for them to sleep and if the homeless had absolutely no opportunity for gainful employment at above the hourly wage scale, then I would be extremely sympathetic to their cause. However, rather than accept the free warm bed and take the job offer….if all a homeless person wants to do is protest that he cannot camp anywhere in the city at anytime he wants to….then I say “fuck ‘em!” If the homeless don’t care to improve their own welfare and comfort….then there is no reason I should care. That is not being cruel….that is just being realistic.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-17   21:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#32)

"It sure seems like that is what you were implying."

I never said nor implied that they weren't able to work. Nor did I claim they were poor.

You're the one who brought up Jesus and the poor (and by poor I'm sure Jesus wasn't referring to those below some arbitrary and changing Federal Poverty Level).

Since you cited what Jesus would do I cited 2 Thessalonians 3:10.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-17   21:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeroo (#52)

So there is no liberty to voice an opinion?

Sure there is... voice it. Just don't do it while blocking traffic, pissing in the public park (OWS), while naked, while publicly intoxicated... or even violating the camping laws.

Use common sense, Sneakypete lover

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   21:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: GrandIsland (#50)

They can't stand in the road to protest... and they can't violate other laws, such as unauthorized camping, either.

I agree 100 percent if they protest and block traffic on a street.

They weren't doing that.

The legislature let the people down by violating their oaths of office and passing unconstitutional legislation.

Than all the judges who get bribed and are corrupt go along with it.

Screw them all.

Our moral compass is correct. Mine says they were not doing anything immoral. Nothing to harm anyone. What happened to them was wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   21:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Where is there a right to trespass guaranteed in the Constitution?

[crickets]

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   21:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Gatlin (#53)

Ok that is your opinion. It is mostly reasonable. Mostly not entirely.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   21:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#47)

"There is nothing in the constitution that limits when they can protest."

And there's nothing in the U.S. Constitution that protects their right to set up camping tents outside of the Denver City and County Building.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-17   21:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Roscoe (#57)

Where is there a right to trespass guaranteed in the Constitution?

[crickets]

Public land is public land.

According to me you should only be charged with trespassing if you are on private property not public property paid for by the people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   21:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: misterwhite (#59)

And there's nothing in the U.S. Constitution that protects their right to set up camping tents outside of the Denver City and County Building.

Yes there is. The first amendment and the fourth. And common sense.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   21:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Roscoe (#57)

"Where is there a right to trespass guaranteed in the Constitution?"

I think that falls under the penumbra of dragooning.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-17   21:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#56)

I agree 100 percent if they protest and block traffic on a street.

They weren't doing that.

I can't logically debate with you if your argument is that the defendants in the case should be able to violate certain laws, but not others, that YOU deem is ok, while protesting. It's an in winnable debate on my part... you've made your own rules to live by.

Your idiology wouldn't hold up as a defense in court.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   21:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#61)

"Yes there is. The first amendment and the fourth. And common sense."

Ah. So Denver City Ordnance Sec. 38-86.2 prohibiting unauthorized camping on public or private property was found unconstitutional under the first amendment and the fourth and common sense?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-17   21:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: GrandIsland (#63)

I can't logically debate with you if your argument is that the defendants in the case should be able to violate certain laws,

The constitution is the supreme law of the land.

You never addressed my points I made about it.

Why do you think any law made is lawful and doesn't have to follow the constitution to the LETTER?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   21:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#33)

Manche führen, manche folgen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_O22XR-6U.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-17   21:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#47)

The founders didn't have hotels with furnaces.

They had alms houses with fireplaces for the poor. They had municipal laws against loitering and vagrancy.

If you're actually interested in learning somenthing and having a teachable state of mind, I'll even tell you why.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   21:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: A K A Stone (#61)

The first amendment and the fourth.

The City and County of Denver are Congress?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   22:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: GrandIsland (#63)

Your idiology wouldn't hold up as a defense in court.

I agree. But I'm just stating the honest opinion that I have after reading the constitution and determining what the words literally mean.

I'm a person who likes things to be right.

If someone says they believe the Bible. Then I expect them to actually believe what it says and not something different.

I love this country and its constitution. I'm not a lawyer but I can read the words and what they mean. It is supposed to be the highest law of the land. So I take it literally. What the words literally mean. It is my expectation that the government should obey it 100 percent and not stray even .001 percent.

If they don't like the constitution because it limits laws they can pass that are non inconsistent with the document. Then change the constitution, and if you can't change it then don't whine that it is to hard. That means more people disagree with you and don't want it changed.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   22:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#60)

Public land is public land.

You own the whitehouse lawn... let me know how your Deckard like opinion works when you climb the fence.

You are really surprising me, Stone. I think you might wanna rename this site PAULTARDPOST.COM

You own your school playgrounds.... but you can't camp there. You own your state Forrest... but there are constitutionally tested laws on that too. YOU don't own public land in its entirety... other tax payers own it as well. So when you act like Deckard, and do whatever the fuck you like on public property, YOU VICTIMIZE YOUR PEERS.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   22:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: misterwhite (#62)

I think that falls under the penumbra of dragooning.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   22:02:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: GrandIsland (#70)

You own your school playgrounds.... but you can't camp there.

And the public school buildings. Pick the lock and settle in.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   22:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: GrandIsland (#48)

Do your local ordnance is a bag of shit.

Could you fix that so sober people can read it?

That was funny....VERY FUNNY.

He does get drunk every Saturday night ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-17   22:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Roscoe (#68)

The first amendment and the fourth. The City and County of Denver are Congress?

Did you not know that every state in the union has a first amendment and a fourth.

There constituion is even more clear and protects those rights even more.

Section 7. Security of person and property - searches - seizures - warrants. The people shall be secure in their persons, papers, homes and effects, from unreasonable searches and seizures; and no warrant to search any place or seize any person or things shall issue without describing the place to be searched, or the person or thing to be seized, as near as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation reduced to writing.

Section 10. Freedom of speech and press. No law shall be passed impairing the freedom of speech; every person shall be free to speak, write or publish whatever he will on any subject, being responsible for all abuse of that liberty; and in all suits and prosecutions for libel the truth thereof may be given in evidence, and the jury, under the direction of the court, shall determine the law and the fact.

(I like that one where they get it right and say the people determine LAW and fact)

Section 24. Right to assemble and petition. The people have the right peaceably to assemble for the common good, and to apply to those invested with the powers of government for redress of grievances, by petition or remonstrance.

Section 28. Rights reserved not disparaged. The enumeration in this constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny, impair or disparage others retained by the people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   22:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: A K A Stone (#65)

The constitution is the supreme law of the land.

You never addressed my points I made about it.

I addressed it twice.

Both times I've stated that the constitution doesn't protect against camping OFF YOUR PROPERTY. The constitution doesn't protect you from breaking laws while you protest.

Only in your mind it does... that's why you didn't hear me TWICE tell you that... unless this was yet another YELLA attempt at defending ones position.

You truly are surprising me. I'm beginning to see why you keep the agenda trash around.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   22:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A K A Stone (#60)

According to me you should only be charged with trespassing if you are on private property not public property paid for by the people.

Occupy Wall Street camp

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   22:07:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: GrandIsland (#75)

You truly are surprising me. I'm beginning to see why you keep the agenda trash around.

I agree with what you call "the agenda trash" sometimes. Yes that is true.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   22:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Roscoe (#76)

Occupy Wall Street camp

Fucking lazy, drug addled, entitled hippie scumbags. Like our agenda trash.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   22:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone (#77) (Edited)

I agree with what you call "the agenda trash" sometimes. Yes that is true.

I figured it was purely for entertainment purposes is why you kept them around.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-17   22:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: A K A Stone (#74)

Did you not know that every state in the union has a first amendment and a fourth.

No, they don't.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   22:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Roscoe (#76)

That pic you provided looks awful. It looks unpleasant. It looks like a distraction. It looks like an inconvenience. I don't like occupy wallstreet. Don't agree with them.

But they do have a right to protest.

I can see why your side doesn't want to allow this. You have need for things to be tidy and you don't like seeing unpleasant things.

But that isn't a constitutional right and protesting is. Even if it is ugly or for stupid causes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   22:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Roscoe (#80)

No, they don't.

Yes they do. If not prove it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-17   22:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: A K A Stone (#81)

But they do have a right to protest.

The street in front of your driveway is public property. Can they camp there and shit in the street?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-12-17   22:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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