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Title: No, The Shooting Of a Knife-Armed Reno Teen Isn’t “Sparking Debate”
Source: Bearing Arms
URL Source: http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/1 ... eno-teen-isnt-sparking-debate/
Published: Dec 9, 2016
Author: Bob Owens
Post Date: 2016-12-10 21:52:07 by Gatlin
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Views: 4938
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No, The Shooting Of a Knife-Armed Reno Teen Isn’t “Sparking Debate”

reno-student-shot

Let’s turn to the CBS News story Reno officer’s shooting of knife-wielding teen sparks debate to see how media hacks are attempting to turn a school resource officer’s very measured response to a violent student armed with two knives into a fake news scandal.

A school police officer in Nevada faces new questions about shooting a knife-wielding student.

Cellphone video captured the moment at Hug High School in Reno. Police said the teen ignored orders to drop a pair of knives and threatened other students. But there’s a debate over the use of force, reports CBS News correspondent Carter Evans.

On Facebook, a man who identified himself as the father of the teen defended his son’s actions, saying he was being bullied at school and was just trying to protect himself. He said after the shooting, his son had to have part of his lungs removed, but that he’s expected to survive.

A day after a school police officer shot the 14-year-old, Washoe County Schools Superintendent Traci Davis praised responding officers.

“Had it not been for their quick actions and professionalism, I truly believe the outcome could’ve been much worse,” Davis said.

Cell phone video captured the teenager waving knives surrounded by students apparently after a fight. His attorney, David Houston, spoke to “CBS This Morning” by phone.

“It was clear that the child was not being aggressive, but rather was trying to keep people away from him. He was not attempting to hurt people,” Houston said.

For some students and parents, the police response is causing as much concern as the boy’s actions.

“It was pretty traumatizing. I’ve never seen anything like that before, like pulling out knives and then a cop shooting a child,” said student Joslyn Walker.

“There are alternatives. Mace, for one, pepper spray,” said Demick LaFlamme, whose son is friends with the teen. LaFlamme was worried about the dozens of other kids standing nearby.

“They should actually be writing formal apologies to every single student’s parents there for putting all their children in danger,” LaFlamme said.

Let’s address all these complaints here and now and be crystal clear: the officer acted correctly in using a gun to stop Logan Clark’s criminal assault instead of less-lethal options.

Attorney David Houston, being Clark’s attorney, is going to of course try to make Clark look innocent, but Houston is directly and boldly lying when he claiming that the juvenile delinquent armed with two butcher knives “was not attempting to hurt people.”

There are multiple cell phone videos of the incident showing Logan Clark aggressively stalking towards his fellow students, and on several occasions he appears to lunge or slash at them.

Clark’s multiple assaults with a deadly weapon (each one of which should earn him a felony charge) finally ended when he advanced upon the school resource officer.

The correct response to an armed assailant is not a taser.

The correct response to an armed assailant is not a chemical spray.

The correct response to an armed assailant is to engage the deadly force threat with deadly force until the armed assailant is no longer a threat.

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The use of force model (also called the use of force continuum) used by law enforcement calls for using deadly force (a firearm) to respond to deadly force threats.

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Butcher knives like those being brandished by Logan Clark, which he carried in a manner to conduct slashing attacks, are clearly the sort of assaultive deadly force threat which justified a deadly force response by the officer.

In this instance, an officer would likely have been justified in firing multiple rounds at Logan Clark, but appears to have been acting with a great deal of restraint. The other students surrounding Clark lacked any sense of self-preservation. The iPhone-equipped lemmings just stood there dumbly as Clark menaced them with knifes and ignored teachers and staff attempting to usher them away from the armed student.

It’s clear that the Clark family and their attorney are looking to turn a profit from this young repeat offender’s felonious behavior.

I hope that the prosecutor strikes back twice as hard, putting Logan Clark in prison for as long as the law allows, and that Nevada’s Child Welfare and Child Protective Services takes a very long look at whether the young thug’s father is fit to raise his siblings.

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

Seems to me that this one sided story left out some pertinent facts.

David Houston, told the AP. The attorney described the boy as emotionally distressed and said he had already been hit when he was trying to escape. He was shot in the chest by an officer who has not been identified but who has been placed on paid administrative leave.

"Those kids were alerted there was going to be a beat-down at a specific time and a specific location. They had amassed with their cellphones for the purpose of filming it," Houston said. "Half the student body is out there cheering them on. He'd been punched in the face and was running around screaming, 'Get away from me!' He was trying to extricate himself from a situation that had become like spectators in the Roman Colosseum."

"There was no attempt to calm the situation," the attorney also said. "There was not this genuine sense of panic or alarm by the students watching until the officer attempted to execute the 14-year-old who was screaming, 'Get away from me."

Houston argued the teenager brought some kitchen knives to school in anticipation of being jumped by a group of seniors who had assaulted him the previous day.

The lawyer also questioned why the officer, assigned specifically to the school, didn't try to resolve the situation in some way other than by the use of deadly force. "They could have said, 'It's OK, nobody is going to hurt you,'" the attorney said. "One of the primary rules of our society is we don't shoot our children. We simply don't shoot first and ask questions later."

I hope that the prosecutor strikes back twice as hard, putting Logan Clark in prison for as long as the law allows...

The kid had been bullied by students at his school, and this prick wants to throw him in jail for simply trying to protect himself?

Seems to me the ones who need to be punished are the students that egged on the bullies.

... and that Nevada’s Child Welfare and Child Protective Services takes a very long look at whether the young thug’s father is fit to raise his siblings.

This asshole has it all wrong - the "young thugs" were the bullies who beat up the kid the day before and were going to do it again and who were enabled by the teachers who knew about the planned "beat-down" and refused to do anything about it.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-10   22:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#1)

Seems to me that this one sided story left out some pertinent facts.

David Houston [attorney for Clarke] , told …

Let’s see now….le me get this straight.

You say “this is a one sided story that left out some pertinent facts.”

So….David Houston, the attorney for Clarke, is going to give us “a factually truthful and unbiased version of both sides of the story.”

Hmmm….what the fuck are you “HIGH” on tonight?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-10   23:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#1)

The attorney described the boy as emotionally distressed …
It doesn’t matter if the boy was “emotionally distressed” or if he had been a “Cool Hand Luke”….by the nature of his action, the end result was destined to be the same.

He was “armed with two butcher knives” and he was shot as “he advanced upon the school resource officer.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-10   23:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#1)

Houston argued the teenager brought some kitchen knives to school in anticipation of being jumped by a group of seniors who had assaulted him the previous day.

He should NOT have advanced upon the school resource officer armed with two butcher knives in anticipation of being shot,

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-10   23:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#1)

… the attorney said. "One of the primary rules of our society is we don't shoot our children.

The attorney, the kid and the kid’s father [as well as everyone] should realize, “One of the primary rules of our society is that a kid does not bring to butcher knives to school and advance upon the school resource officer armed with those two butcher knives.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-10   23:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#1)

"There was no attempt to calm the situation," the attorney also said.

The school resource officer had 1.5 seconds at a distance of 21 feet to make “an attempt to calm the situation” while the “emotionally distressed” kid was advancing upon him with two butcher knives.

The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun. Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah PoliceDepartment wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazinein 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-10   23:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#1)

… enabled by the teachers who knew about the planned "beat-down" and refused to do anything about it.

You have a “source” for this “significant” bit of information….or is it just some more of the “Fake News” bullshit you have a compulsion to continue indefinitely to perpetuate.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-10   23:59:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#2) (Edited)

So….David Houston, the attorney for Clarke, is going to give us “a factually truthful and unbiased version of both sides of the story.”

He gave the shooting victim's side of the story - your biased article is nothing more than a pro-cop puff piece.

The entire situation could have been avoided had the school intervened in the first place.

You and the asshole who wrote this article are both wrong - the "young thugs" were the bullies who beat up the kid the day before and were going to do it again while being egged on by a large group of students.

The blame must also fall on the teachers who knew about the planned "beat-down" and refused to do anything about it.

I realize that you have most likely taught your kids to cower in fear if they are bullied in school - maybe you even taught them that it was OK to bully kids, at least this kid had the balls to confront his attackers - something you apparently lack.

It's a situation that never would have happened if the school had done their job.

BTW - the video shows him walking around aimlessly, apparently confused.

What I saw was a troubled kid telling the other kids to stay away from him.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-11   1:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#7)

… enabled by the teachers who knew about the planned "beat-down" and refused to do anything about it.

You have a “source” for this “significant” bit of information

From the story you ignored.

"Those kids were alerted there was going to be a beat-down at a specific time and a specific location. They had amassed with their cellphones for the purpose of filming it," Houston said. "Half the student body is out there cheering them on. He'd been punched in the face and was running around screaming, 'Get away from me!' He was trying to extricate himself from a situation that had become like spectators in the Roman Colosseum."

Your contention is that the students knew about it but the teachers didn't?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-11   1:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#7)

[Deckard #1] … enabled by the teachers who knew about the planned "beat-down" and refused to do anything about it.

[Gatlin #7] You have a “source” for this “significant” bit of information….or is it just some more of the “Fake News” bullshit you have a compulsion to continue indefinitely to perpetuate.

One source appears to be Justin Clark, father of Logan Clark.

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-08-at-11.44.39-AM.png

Justin Clark

To Idiots that think Logan was wrong know he was being bullied he is not the kind to back down. He brought the knives because he was gonna b jumped and he was the school knew of this and failed to act so before u run ur mouth know the facts don't speak. And if anyone has such opinion so strong that they would like to share it me please hit me on messenger I'll b glad to to discuss it with u personally in person

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/12/08/father-reno-school-knife-blames-everyone-else/

Father of School Attacker Blames Everyone Else For His Son Getting Shot

Posted at 12:34 pm on December 8, 2016 by Bob Owens

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At no point does Justin Clark actually blame his thug of a son for bringing weapons onto the school campus, or for lashing out at other students with those knives.

Did i just call a 14-year-old a “thug?”

You’re darn right I did.

According to Logan Clark’s own Facebook page he was a far from being the victim his father is attempting to manufacture. He’s already been arrested and incarcerated on multiple occasions, and was only been out of juvenile lockup a little over two weeks before he was shot at Procter Hug High School .

It appears that the Facebook account, at the embedded link, has been sanitized. The article at the bearingarms link includes images of Logan Clark's facebook entries.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/12/john-boch/assigning-blame/

On April 20 he posted that he was “getting out on May 21”. On September 21 he posted that he was going to jail “rn” (right now). The next day: “they let me go but i got court today”. And on October 16th, he posted: “dam going back to jail tmmr for at least a year”, but they let him out on November 22, per another post.

It also appears that he used Facebook to fence stolen merchandise. The day after they let him out in November, he began an advertising campaign to sell some nice high-end merchandise. He was asking $100 each for Fendi belts. He also had MCM wallets and pouches as well as Gucci backpacks for sale. Earlier in the year, he had True Religion jean shorts. And Hilfiger watches. “HMU” (hit me up) he posted.

By all appearances, this kid was (and remains) a menace to society. Dad’s protestations to the contrary, he was never going to college for his superior athletics. Running from the police isn’t a collegiate sport. Neither is slashing innocent students. The blame for Logan Clark getting shot lays right at Logan Clark’s feet.

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Chip in Florida says:
December 9, 2016 at 15:03

Does this count as stupid games where you can win stupid prizes?

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December 9, 2016 at 15:20

I would say so.

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Grand prize is a nice once-used +P hollowpoint bullet (brass, powder and primer not included).

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"ending Logan’s run.”…LOL..

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/crime/2016/12/08/father-boy-shot-school-police-says-facebook-hell-pull-through/95163882/

Update: Attorney says boy shot by school police in emergency surgery following stroke

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Update 1 p.m. Friday: Attorney David Houston who is representing the family of Logan Clark said the 14- year-old had a stroke Friday morning and is in emergency surgery.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-12-11   1:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#9) (Edited)

Your contention is that the students knew about it but the teachers didn't?

No, There is SPECULATION that the teachers knew about it and did nothing.

You are merely advancing this speculation to TRANSFER blame.

You should not try to do that …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-11   5:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#8)

I realize that you have most likely taught your kids to cower in fear if they are bullied in school - maybe you even taught them that it was OK to bully kids, at least this kid had the balls to confront his attackers - something you apparently lack.

What you NEED to “realize” is that it is NOT okay for a kid to take TWO BUTCHER KNIVES to school to have “the balls to confront his attackers” by “walking around aimlessly, apparently confused” and then “advancing upon the school resource officer armed with those two butcher knives” who had 1.5 seconds or less to react.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-11   5:46:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard (#8)

So….David Houston, the attorney for Clarke, is going to give us “a factually truthful and unbiased version of both sides of the story.”

He gave the shooting victim's side of the story - your biased article is nothing more than a pro-cop puff piece.

You can of course, continue to post slanted justification shit all day long….but the bottom line is:

Logan Clark “failed to comply with the school police officer's verbal commands to drop the knife, and the officer ultimately fired his service weapon, 'striking the student and ... stopping the threat.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-11   6:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan, Deckard (#10)

The blame for Logan Clark getting shot lays right at Logan Clark’s feet.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-11   6:46:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#1)

Seems to me that this one sided story left out some pertinent facts.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You are the king of posting one sided articles. Shut your shit flapper, junior.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-11   7:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GrandIsland (#15) (Edited)

I realize that you have most likely taught your kids to cower in fear if they are bullied in school, much in the same way you did as a cop.

Or perhaps you did the opposite and taught them that it was OK to bully kids, at least this kid had the balls to confront his attackers - something you apparently lack.

The kid had been beaten up, and was about to get beat up again that day.

At what age does the "right to self defense" kick in?

Do you give up that right simply because you are within the confines of a government education center?

The right to self-defense and to the means of defending oneself is a basic natural right that grows out of the right to life.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-11   10:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#0)

I hate bullies. Let me make that very clear. I hate them with a passion.

So, if this kid was bullied by a group of kids the day before and knew he was going to be bullied again the following day, I wish he would have brought a gun instead of knives and killed every fucking single one of them.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-11   10:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deckard (#16)

You obviously didn't read my post. I never made a judgement about the article. I made a judgement regarding your hypocrisy in your statement regarding ONESIDED REPORTING.

Kinda like your YELLA freeKookProject articles.

Once again, shut your shit flapper... you are wrong.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-11   12:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#17)

To: Gatlin I hate bullies. Let me make that very clear. I hate them with a passion.

So, if this kid was bullied by a group of kids the day before and knew he was going to be bullied again the following day, I wish he would have brought a gun instead of knives and killed every fucking single one of them.

Settle down, over sensitized and brain washed populace. There has been bullies since caveman dragged cavewoman into the cave for forced copulation. It's never been that big of a deal over the last 5,000 years... until the last 50 years of PUSSIFYING our populace into libtarded WEAK, overly sensitive SHEEP. Libtard MSM even has you so sensitized that you're foaming at the mouth to shoot bullies that bully at a lesser degree than bullets.

When I grew up, I was taught to stand up for myself WITH MY FISTS, win, lose or draw...regardless how many times I needed to draw that line in the sand. We weren't taught to rely on laws, liberal sympathy or mass shooting acts because we were "bullied". You just found that bully alone, and knocked the fucking shit out of him... one less bully.

Your sheep millennial peers aren't taught this. They are taught to live in servitude to others that can't protect them with safe spaces, and worthless empathy and sympathy for their problems. Then when making a millennial sheep into a weak pile of shit and there isn't a "safe space" to be found, they either hang thenselves or shoot the fucking school up.

Why didn't this shit happen back when a responsible parent taught their kids to FIGHT BACK?

Now it's not cool to fight back... libtard MSM sells this PUSSIFYING AGENDA on the populace by making you outraged at bullies beyond the ability to use logic. Seek deprograming.

Here is a little cold honest fact. I hope you're not to libtarded brainwashed to accept this fact. WE ARENT ALL EQUAL. WE NEVER WERE. SOME ARE TOUGHER, BRAVER, MORE SELF SUFFICIENT THAN OTHERS. Some children will be bullied. Some will die of suicide. Some might even learn to fight back. It's called LIFE.

Now, try and calm down and lose a little of that libtard weakness that has you spitting hate at the very source of what can make the weak, TOUGHER. Bullies. It's called NATURAL SELECTION.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-12-11   13:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GrandIsland (#19)

"Why didn't this shit happen back when a responsible parent taught their kids to FIGHT BACK?"

That's what frustrates me. Back in the days, kids were taught to fight back against bullies. That was the only thing caused them to pick on someone else.

Nowadays, kids are taught to "tell an adult" who then proceeds to do nothing about it. Causing the bully to double-down and even encourage his friends.

Then crap like Columbine and this happens.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-11   14:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#17)

... I wish he would have brought a gun instead of knives and killed every fucking single one of them.

You mean like this California school shooter who was bullied tried to do when he brought a gun to school where he targeted bullies as he allegedly used a list of bullies naming specific students during the attack?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-11   15:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin, Wolverines, Don't Tread On Me (#21)

High School students protecting themselves from Red Commie bullies.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

The "anti-establishment" establishment

Hondo68  posted on  2016-12-11   16:21:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#21)

"You mean like this California school shooter who was bullied tried to do when he brought a gun to school where he targeted bullies as he allegedly used a list of bullies naming specific students during the attack?"

Yes, but with better results.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-11   17:14:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#22)

High School students protecting themselves from Red Commie bullies.

http://truthfeed.com/president-elect-trump-blasts-cia-over-bogus- report-that-claims-russia-helped-him-win/40817/.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-11   20:37:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#24)

Trump claimed there were millions of illegal voters in the last election and the MSM went batshit crazy demanding proof.

But when Hillary and the Democrats and the liberal talking heads claim the Russians influenced the election, the MSM accepts that as the gospel truth.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-12-12   11:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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