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Title: Former Cop Tries Cannabis as Last Resort to Treat Parkinson’s Disease
Source: Daily Sheeple
URL Source: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/watc ... reat-parkinsons-disease_122016
Published: Dec 1, 2016
Author: Carey Wedler
Post Date: 2016-12-02 21:28:11 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 28673
Comments: 101

As research and anecdotal evidence increasingly indicate cannabis has medical benefits, a new series of videos from a man suffering from Parkinson’s disease highlights just how vital the plant can be.

Larry Smith, a former police officer, began to suffer from the debilitating neurological disease twenty years ago. In 2011, filmmakers began documenting his experience for the upcoming film, Ride with Larry. The documentary and accompanying awareness campaign “seeks to enlighten audiences to the human cost of Parkinson’s disease while providing insights into the tangible benefits of an active lifestyle, particularly through recumbent cycling,” according to the film’s Facebook page.

More recently, Larry began to experiment with medical marijuana to treat his worsening symptoms. In a video uploaded to Ride with Larry’s Facebook page last week, he arrives in San Diego, California, to obtain a license.

“My symptoms are a great deal more obvious than ever before, and the pain is a little sharper,” Larry says with some difficulty speaking.

“Larry’s at the point where he’s having so much trouble walking, now he takes twenty pills a day,” his wife Elizabeth explains, noting that increasing the dose could increase the side effects.

While in San Diego, Larry and his wife visit a medical marijuana doctor to obtain a prescription.

“These are not the days of Reefer Madness,” Larry observes in the video, referencing a 1936 propaganda film meant to demonize cannabis use. “Yet I and millions of other people can’t have it without facing serious jail time.” Larry currently lives in South Dakota, which does not have a medical marijuana program.

In Part 2 of the series, Larry uses his prescription to purchase $40 worth of the plant at a dispensary in an attempt to ease his pain and rigid joints. Elizabeth tells the “budtender” at the dispensary that the side effects of Larry’s pills have actually contributed to his dyskinesia. Further, she also discloses that every time she fills a prescription for him, it costs about $3,000, pointing out the stark difference in cost between pharmaceuticals and cannabis.

Though in Part 2, Larry buys actual buds, in Part 3 of 3, he meets with another man suffering from Parkinson’s disease who gives him cannabis oil to place under his tongue. His relief is almost instantaneous.
According to the video’s description:

“With a few drops of cannabis oil under his tongue, Larry’s severe dyskinesia (uncontrolled movements), loss of voice, and tremors are calmed within in minutes! We didn’t even edit the footage because the results were so startling.”

Sure enough, the footage shows Larry placing the drops under his tongue before lying down. After just a few minutes, he sits up and it becomes apparent his uncontrolled movements have largely ceased.

His friend says, “I think you’ve calmed down.” Larry simply says, “So quickly,” as a smile comes over his face.

“My voice is coming back,” he also observes. In a voiceover, Elizabeth notes how his hands became “rock steady” after he tried the treatment.

“It works most of the time,” his friend observes after he sits up. Larry imitates the sound of a heavenly choir to demonstrate his immense relief.

“Did you guys eat lunch?” he asks the others in the room. “You hungry now?” his friend with Parkinson’s inquires. “Funny, I am,” he replies.

As the video ends, Larry observes that “A person like me could really use marijuana. And it makes me pretty angry that I can’t get it in my home state.”

At least one academic expert shares this frustration.

As Dr. Daniele Piomelli, a professor of Pharmacology at UC Irvine’s medical school, says in Part 3 of Larry’s series:

“The number one frustration that I have is knowing that there is this untapped potential — that comes from what marijuana is teaching us — to generate new medicines, and being stuck because of financial issues or political issues. That is extremely frustrating.”

Dr. Piomelli, who runs a lab at the university, discussed recent research on cannabis’ effect on Parkinson’s disease:

“We know from animal experiments that the endogenous cannabinoid system is very important [in] regulating motor activity, the very type of activity that is impaired in Parkinson’s disease. From animal experiments, we also know that boosting certain branches of the endocannabinoid system is helpful in relieving symptoms of Parkinson’s. Finally, from anecdotal information, we know that certain patients who smoke marijuana experience relief [from] their symptoms.”

Further, a 2014 study published in Clinical Neuropharmacology, researchers concluded there was “significant improvement of sleep and pain scores” for patients using cannabis to treat Parkinson’s. They noted “no significant adverse effects of the drug were observed” but cautioned further research was necessary.

A 2014 study published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology explained that cannabidiol, or CBD, a non-psychoactive endocannabinoid, had the possible effect of “improving quality of life measures in PD patients with no psychiatric comorbidities.” They also advised more research was needed.

Even without the scientific research to back up the plant’s effectiveness, Larry’s experience may provide hope to countless others suffering from debilitating ailments (Part 3 has been viewed over 20 million times as of this article’s publication).

Though cannabis is becoming legal in a growing number of states, many people suffering from illnesses are unable to access the treatment. As Elizabeth said in Part 1:

“I do not like the idea of breaking federal law. Even though the state law in California is very clear that it’s permissible, I’m still uncomfortable. But, you know, if this is the only thing — and as far as I know we’ve tried everything, and this is the only thing that’s left…we are going to give it a go and see how it goes.”

And as she says in Part 3 after witnessing her husband finally experience relief:

“We now know that medical marijuana controls dyskinesia, and yet it’s not available to us.”

Still, as stories like Larry’s continue to accumulate and the war on a plant continues to fail, the trend of legalization throughout the United States shows no signs of stopping.

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#61. To: goldilucky (#58) (Edited)

Unfortunately some of the posters on this thread would much rather see someone suffer and die rather than to allow them access to cannabis.

That is an irresponsible vindictive claim where you show malicious ill will and a desire to hurt motivated entirely by spite and ignorance. You have no evidence to support your allegation, a allegation that is completely false in that there have been no events such as that you allege.

Still, you fail to furnishg evidence to support Deckars's allegation, a allegation that is completely false in that there have been no events such as that he alleged.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   13:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deckard. misterwhite (#8)

Infowars

Another site that is also listed as a source of fake news.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   13:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Gatlin (#62)

Infowars Another site that is also listed as a source of fake news.

That is not fake news.

It may have different opinions but it is not fake.

A bunch of the stuff on that list isn't fake.

CNN is fake though. They edited Trump speeches to make him say something else.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-06   13:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Gatlin (#62)

Is this fake?

www.infowars.com/angela-merkel-calls-for-ban-on-burka/

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-06   13:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#64) (Edited)

Is this fake?

www.infowars.com/angela-merkel-calls-for-ban-on-burka/

I don’t trust anything that Angela Merkel says even if I hear it first hand from her.

And I certainly will not trust what Infowars tells me she said is true.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   13:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Gatlin (#61) (Edited)

Still, you fail to furnishg evidence to support Deckars's allegation, a allegation that is completely false in that there have been no events such as that he alleged.

I didn't fail to furnish evidence. You failed to read what I cited. Re-read post #38.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-06   13:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: goldilucky (#66)

Deckard: Unfortunately some of the posters on this thread would much rather see someone suffer and die rather than to allow them access to cannabis.

Gatlin: That is an irresponsible vindictive claim where you show malicious ill will and a desire to hurt motivated entirely by spite and ignorance. You have no evidence to support your allegation, a allegation that is completely false in that there have been no events such as that you allege.

I read your response, it had absolutely nothing to do with my statement. Your response was about DHHS and not about Deckard’s claim.

Therefore, you failed to furnish evidence to support Deckard’s claim that “some of the posters on this thread would much rather see someone suffer and die rather than to allow them access to cannabis.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   13:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: goldilucky (#66)

Re-read post #38.

I read you post again.

Had my mom been prescribing to cannabis rather than the continuous chemo treatments she was getting, she would be still be alive today. And what's worse is that at the same time she was getting those chemo treatments, those same doctors were administering flu shots on her which caused her to go code blue.

What evidence can you provide that your mother would have been alive today had she been prescribed cannabis?

David Hibbitt tried it …

David Hibbitt was a patient diagnosed with bowel cancer. He decided to try cannabis oil after he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Last January he revealed he was cancer-free and credited cannabis with his miracle recovery. But the cancer returned in March this year and spread to his lungs and brain. It claimed his life earlier this month.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   14:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Gatlin (#65)

don’t trust anything that Angela Merkel says even if I hear it first hand from her.

And I certainly will not trust what Infowars tells me she said is true.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation." William Paley

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-12-06   15:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#69) (Edited)

don’t trust anything that Angela Merkel says even if I hear it first hand from her.
And I certainly will not trust what Infowars tells me she said is true.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation." William Paley

Your principle does not apply to me since I do not bar ALL information. I only discount information presented in yellow journalism articles and fake news sites.

“There is a principle that serves as a bar against all false and misleading information, which is proof for ferreting out truth to keep a man in everlasting comfort that knowledge is bliss and lets the ignorant read and believe only what the ignorant want to believe. ~ Gatlin
Hey, man, you can read from whatever sources you desire and believe whatever the Hell you want to believe….but I will decide what sources I need to accept as factual and whether to believe the information they present.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   16:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, rlk, Gatlin (#47)

This article isn't about recreational marijuana you "Reefer Madness" freaks.

The DEA ruling is directly on point about so-called medical marijuana.

DEA, 81 FR 53779-53781, August 12, 2016

Marijuana does not meet any of the five elements necessary for a drug to have a ''currently accepted medical use.''

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Currently, no published studies conducted with marijuana meet the criteria of an adequate and well-controlled efficacy study.

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In addition to the lack of published adequate and well-controlled efficacy studies proving efficacy, the criteria for adequate safety studies has also not been met. Importantly, in its discussion of the five-part test used to determine whether a drug has a ''currently accepted medical use,'' DEA said, ''No drug can be considered safe in the abstract. Safety has meaning only when judged against the intended use of the drug, its known effectiveness, its known and potential risks, the severity of the illness to be treated, and the availability of alternative remedies'' (57 FR 10504).

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The Court in Americans for Safe Access et al v. DEA confirmed the ruling of the DEA.

https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/12CBD2B55C34FBF585257AFB00554299/$file/11-1265-1416392.pdf

Americans for Safe Access et al v. DEA, 11-1265 (D.C. Cir. 22 Jan 2013)

To establish accepted medical use, the effectiveness of a drug must be established in well-controlled, well-designed, well-conducted, and well-documented scientific studies, including studies performed in a large number of patients (57 FR 10499, 1992). To date, such studies have not been performed.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-12-06   16:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Gatlin (#68)

You ask for evidence and I'm going to show you that chemo falls under human testing experimentation under Title 50 USC Sec 1520

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1520a

50 U.S. Code § 1520a - Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) · US Code · Notes

(a) Prohibited activitiesThe Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)—

(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or

(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.

(b)Exceptions

Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e), the prohibition in subsection (a) does not apply to a test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:

(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity.

(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.

(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.

(b) only if informed consent to the testing was obtained from each human subject in advance of the testing on that subject. (

c) Informed consent required The Secretary of Defense may conduct a test or experiment described in subsection

(d) Prior notice to Congress Not later than 30 days after the date of final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense (whether directly or under contract) involving the use of human subjects for the testing of a chemical agent or a biological agent, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives a report setting forth a full accounting of those plans, and the experiment or study may then be conducted only after the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date such report is received by those committees.

(e) “Biological agent” definedIn this section, the term “biological agent” means any micro-organism (including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa), pathogen, or infectious substance, and any naturally occurring, bioengineered, or synthesized component of any such micro-organism, pathogen, or infectious substance, whatever its origin or method of production, that is capable of causing—

(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism;

(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or materials of any kind; or

(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.

(Pub. L. 105–85, div. A, title X, § 1078, Nov. 18, 1997, 111 Stat. 1915; Pub. L. 106–65, div. A, title X, § 1067(4), Oct. 5, 1999, 113 Stat. 774.)

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-06   17:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: goldilucky (#72) (Edited)

I specifically asked you:

What evidence can you provide that your mother would have been alive today had she been prescribed cannabis?
You quoted this link:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1520a
Please highlight the specific passage in Title 50 USC Sec 1520 that validates your “mother would have been alive today had she been prescribed cannabis.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   17:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: goldilucky, Gatlin (#58)

The DHHS is not in the business of practicing medicine and therefore they are not the experts in making such determinations about cannabis. Let the doctors in the research and development do their job.

This is absolute bullshit and directly contrary to Federal statute law.

DHHS is emphatically assigned the authority and responsibility for the scientific and medical evaluation, and the DHHS recommendation is binding on the Attorney General per 21 U.S.C. § 811.

The binding scientific and medical recommendation of DHHS holds that all of your blather about marijuana studies fails to have met the required medical and scientific standards. In addition, due to treaty obligations, marijuana cannot be assigned to less than Schedule 2.

DEA Dockets 426 and 427 Responses of 12 August 2016 - requests to reschedule Marjuana DENIED

These are the actual DEA responses of 12 August 2016 to requests to Reschedule Marijuana, DEA Dockets 426 and 427, as taken from the Federal Register.

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https://www.scribd.com/document/322683127/81-Fed-Reg-No-156-12-Aug-2016-53668-53766-Proposed-Marijuana-Rules-Denial-Docket-DEA-426

81 Fed Reg No 156 (12 Aug 2016) 53668-53766, Proposed Rules Denial, Docket DEA-426

Dear Ms. Raimondo and Mr. Inslee:

Essentially the same as DEA-427 below, but sent to different addressees.

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https://www.scribd.com/document/322683217/81-Fed-Reg-No-156-12-Aug-2016-53767-53845-Proposed-Marijuana-Rules-Denial-Docket-DEA-427

Dear Mr. Krumm:

81 Fed Reg No 156 (12 Aug 2016) 53767-53845, Proposed Rules Denial, Docket DEA-427

You requested that DEA remove marijuana from schedule I based on your assertion that:

1. Marijuana has accepted medical use in the United States;

2. Studies have shown that smoked marijuana has proven safety and efficacy;

3. Marijuana is safe for use under medical supervision; and

4. Marijuana does not have the abuse potential for placement in schedule I

In accordance with the CSA scheduling provisions, after gathering the necessary data, DEA requested a scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). HHS concluded that marijuana has a high potential for abuse, has no accepted medical use in the United States, and lacks an acceptable level of safety for use even under medical supervision. Therefore, HHS recommended that marijuana remain in schedule I. The scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation that HHS submitted to DEA is attached hereto.

Based on the HHS evaluation and all other relevant data, DEA has concluded that there is no substantial evidence that marijuana should be removed from schedule I. A document prepared by DEA addressing these materials in detail also is attached hereto. In short, marijuana continues to meet the criteria for schedule I control under the CSA because:

(1) Marijuana has a high potential for abuse. The HHS evaluation and the additional data gathered by DEA show that marijuana has a high potential for abuse.

(2) Marijuana has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. Based on the established five-part test for making such determination, marijuana has no ‘‘currently accepted medical use’’ because: As detailed in the HHS evaluation, the drug’s chemistry is not known and reproducible; there are no adequate safety studies; there are no adequate and wellcontrolled studies proving efficacy; the drug is not accepted by qualified experts; and the scientific evidence is not widely available.

(3) Marijuana lacks accepted safety for use under medical supervision. At present, there are no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved marijuana products, nor is marijuana under a New Drug Application (NDA) evaluation at the FDA for any indication. The HHS evaluation states that marijuana does not have a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions. At this time, the known risks of marijuana use have not been shown to be outweighed by specific benefits in wellcontrolled clinical trials that scientifically evaluate safety and efficacy.

The statutory mandate of 21 U.S.C. 812(b) is dispositive. Congress established only one schedule, schedule I, for drugs of abuse with ‘‘no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States’’ and ‘‘lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision.’’ 21 U.S.C. 812(b).

Although the HHS evaluation and all other relevant data lead to the conclusion that marijuana must remain in schedule I, it should also be noted that, in view of United States obligations under international drug control treaties, marijuana cannot be placed in a schedule less restrictive than schedule II. This is explained in detail in the accompanying document titled ‘‘Preliminary Note Regarding Treaty Considerations.’’

Accordingly, and as set forth in detail in the accompanying HHS and DEA documents, there is no statutory basis under the CSA for DEA to grant your petition to initiate rulemaking proceedings to reschedule marijuana. Your petition is, therefore, hereby denied.

Sincerely,

Chuck Rosenberg,
Acting Administrator

Attachments:

Preliminary Note Regarding Treaty Considerations

Cover Letter from HHS to DEA Summarizing the Scientific and Medical Evaluation and Scheduling Recommendation for Marijuana.

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)—Basis for the Recommendation for Maintaining Marijuana in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act

U.S. Department of Justice—Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Schedule of Controlled Substances: Maintaining Marijuana in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, Background, Data, and Analysis: Eight Factors Determinative of Control and Findings Pursuant to 21 U.S.C. 812(b)

Dated: July 19, 2016.

Chuck Rosenberg,
Acting Administrator

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http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2014/title-21/chapter-13/subchapter-i/part-b/sec.-811/

Chapter 13 - Drug Abuse Prevention and Control (Sections 801 - 971)

Subchapter I - Control and Enforcement (Sections 801 - 904)

Part B - Authority to Control; Standards and Schedules (Sections 811 - 814) Sec. 811 - Authority and criteria for classification of substances

21 U.S.C. § 811 (2014)

§811. Authority and criteria for classification of substances

(a) Rules and regulations of Attorney General; hearing

The Attorney General shall apply the provisions of this subchapter to the controlled substances listed in the schedules established by section 812 of this title and to any other drug or other substance added to such schedules under this subchapter. Except as provided in subsections (d) and (e) of this section, the Attorney General may by rule—

(1) add to such a schedule or transfer between such schedules any drug or other substance if he—

(A) finds that such drug or other substance has a potential for abuse, and

(B) makes with respect to such drug or other substance the findings prescribed by subsection (b) of section 812 of this title for the schedule in which such drug is to be placed; or

(2) remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule.

Rules of the Attorney General under this subsection shall be made on the record after opportunity for a hearing pursuant to the rulemaking procedures prescribed by subchapter II of chapter 5 of title 5. Proceedings for the issuance, amendment, or repeal of such rules may be initiated by the Attorney General (1) on his own motion, (2) at the request of the Secretary, or (3) on the petition of any interested party.

(b) Evaluation of drugs and other substances

The Attorney General shall, before initiating proceedings under subsection (a) of this section to control a drug or other substance or to remove a drug or other substance entirely from the schedules, and after gathering the necessary data, request from the Secretary a scientific and medical evaluation, and his recommendations, as to whether such drug or other substance should be so controlled or removed as a controlled substance. In making such evaluation and recommendations, the Secretary shall consider the factors listed in paragraphs (2), (3), (6), (7), and (8) of subsection (c) of this section and any scientific or medical considerations involved in paragraphs (1), (4), and (5) of such subsection. The recommendations of the Secretary shall include recommendations with respect to the appropriate schedule, if any, under which such drug or other substance should be listed. The evaluation and the recommendations of the Secretary shall be made in writing and submitted to the Attorney General within a reasonable time. The recommendations of the Secretary to the Attorney General shall be binding on the Attorney General as to such scientific and medical matters, and if the Secretary recommends that a drug or other substance not be controlled, the Attorney General shall not control the drug or other substance. If the Attorney General determines that these facts and all other relevant data constitute substantial evidence of potential for abuse such as to warrant control or substantial evidence that the drug or other substance should be removed entirely from the schedules, he shall initiate proceedings for control or removal, as the case may be, under subsection (a) of this section.

(c) Factors determinative of control or removal from schedules

In making any finding under subsection (a) of this section or under subsection (b) of section 812 of this title, the Attorney General shall consider the following factors with respect to each drug or other substance proposed to be controlled or removed from the schedules:

(1) Its actual or relative potential for abuse.

(2) Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.

(3) The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.

(4) Its history and current pattern of abuse.

(5) The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.

(6) What, if any, risk there is to the public health.

(7) Its psychic or physiological dependence liability.

(8) Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a substance already controlled under this subchapter. (d) International treaties, conventions, and protocols requiring control; procedures respecting changes in drug schedules of Convention on Psychotropic Substances

(1) If control is required by United States obligations under international treaties, conventions, or protocols in effect on October 27, 1970, the Attorney General shall issue an order controlling such drug under the schedule he deems most appropriate to carry out such obligations, without regard to the findings required by subsection (a) of this section or section 812(b) of this title and without regard to the procedures prescribed by subsections (a) and (b) of this section.

[snip]

nolu chan  posted on  2016-12-06   17:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Gatlin (#73)

From my post #72 here is more to support that claim about chemo falling under Title 50 Sec 1520 (which you failed to read again) Go back and read it again, Gatlin, because while you are in denial of the truth, there are attorneys on standby doing a service to this country taking calls from patients who suffered irreparable damage from the chemo treatments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cancer_chemotherapy

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-06   18:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: nolu chan (#74)

You say my post was bullshit. I refer you to post #72 because that is a federal statute and is still in the books today. You choose to argue the differences of facts.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-06   18:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: goldilucky (#75)

… there are attorneys on standby doing a service to this country taking calls from patients who suffered irreparable damage from the chemo treatments.

Of course there are. You must know there is an overabundance of lawyers, many of who are unemployed, who will take calls from anyone to do anything.

The fact that there is an over abundance of lawyers looking for cases to try still does not answer this question:

What evidence can you provide that your mother would have been alive today had she been prescribed cannabis?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-06   18:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: goldilucky, Gatlin (#76)

[goldilucky #72] You ask for evidence and I'm going to show you that chemo falls under human testing experimentation under Title 50 USC Sec 1520

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1520a

You cite Title 50 USC Sec 1520 but link to the different statute section 50 USC Sec 1520a.

[goldilucky #75 to Gatlin] From my post #72 here is more to support that claim about chemo falling under Title 50 Sec 1520 (which you failed to read again)

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[goldilucky #76] You say my post was bullshit. I refer you to post #72 because that is a federal statute and is still in the books today. You choose to argue the differences of facts.

Read it yourself. § 1520 was repealed 18 years ago.

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Now, correcting your incorrect citation, you meant 50 U.S.C. 1520a. At least it wasn't repealed 18 years ago, but an assertion of authority citing 50 U.S.C. § 1520a is idiotic, as well as bullshit.

You fantasize that marijuana falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title50-section1520a&num=0&edition=prelim

50 USC 1520a: Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents

Text contains those laws in effect on December 5, 2016

From Title 50-WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

CHAPTER 32-CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM

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Codification
Amendments

§1520a. Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents

(a) Prohibited activities

The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)-

(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or

(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.

(b) Exceptions

Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e), the prohibition in subsection (a) does not apply to a test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:

(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity.

(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.

(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.

(c) Informed consent required

The Secretary of Defense may conduct a test or experiment described in subsection (b) only if informed consent to the testing was obtained from each human subject in advance of the testing on that subject.

(d) Prior notice to Congress

Not later than 30 days after the date of final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense (whether directly or under contract) involving the use of human subjects for the testing of a chemical agent or a biological agent, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives a report setting forth a full accounting of those plans, and the experiment or study may then be conducted only after the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date such report is received by those committees.

(e) "Biological agent" defined

In this section, the term "biological agent" means any micro-organism (including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa), pathogen, or infectious substance, and any naturally occurring, bioengineered, or synthesized component of any such micro-organism, pathogen, or infectious substance, whatever its origin or method of production, that is capable of causing-

(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism;

(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or materials of any kind; or

(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.

( Pub. L. 105–85, div. A, title X, §1078, Nov. 18, 1997, 111 Stat. 1915 ; Pub. L. 106–65, div. A, title X, §1067(4), Oct. 5, 1999, 113 Stat. 774 .) Codification

Section is comprised of section 1078 of Pub. L. 105–85. Subsec. (f) of section 1078 of Pub. L. 105–85 amended section 1523(b) of this title. Subsec. (g) of section 1078 of Pub. L. 105–85 repealed section 1520 of this title.

Section was enacted as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1998, and not as part of Pub. L. 91–121, title IV, §409, Nov. 19, 1969, 83 Stat. 209 , which comprises this chapter. Amendments

1999-Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 106–65 substituted "and the Committee on Armed Services" for "and the Committee on National Security".

nolu chan  posted on  2016-12-06   19:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Gatlin (#77) (Edited)

https://www.marijuanadoctors.com/content/ailments/view/112?ailment=hospice-patients

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-07   0:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: nolu chan (#78)

You fantasize that marijuana falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.

No I did not say that about marijuana but I did say that about chemotheraphy falling under Title 50 on War and Biological warfare. Please read my post #75. Chemotheraphy has long been used as a chemical biowarfare agent and should never have been used to treat patients with cancer. But of course you knew that already, didn't cha?

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-07   0:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Gatlin (#62)

Infowars

Another site that is also listed as a source of fake news.

Uh - you do realize that Infowars and Alex Jones were the biggest Trump supporters on the internet, right?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-07   2:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Deckard (#81) (Edited)

Even if people are ineffective or misguided, sometimes they can still be correct just by being lucky.

Alex Jones first choice: Alex Jones Endorses Rand Paul/Ted Cruz Ticket for 2016

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-07   3:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: nolu chan (#78)

You fantasize that marijuana falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

Well the US Gov did tell farmers to grow Cannabis for the war. And a hemp parachute saved George "New World Order" Bush so that he could go on to bomb a bunch of Iraqis.

The Feds said that film didn't exist. You don't care, do you.

Jesus Christ Himself could come back and tell you that you've been lied to
about Hemp and you'd complain about his bare feet and long hair, then tell him he's delusional.

#6630507

You fought a war against a plant and lost! ROFL Loser

Operation 40  posted on  2016-12-07   3:15:27 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Operation 40, nolu chan (#83)

You are really doing an overreach when trying to use the apples and oranges idiom here.

Farmers around the world grow hemp. Legally. And they've been doing so for thousands of years. Hemp is a plant grown from a seed. It can get up to 15 to 20 or so feet tall. It is an annual, herbaceous, long fibre plant similar to flax (linen), jute and ramie. It's the sister plant to marijuana but it won't get you high. However, it's good at doing almost anything else except making you “high.”

There is nothing wrong with a 100% natural hemp rope. In fact, it has many advantages and is readily available for purchase. Amazon even offers the Shibari 100% Natural Hemp Rope with overnight delivery.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-07   3:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Gatlin (#82)

Alex Jones first choice: Alex Jones Endorses Rand Paul/Ted Cruz Ticket for 2016

So what? Jones had Trump on his show and supported him BIG TIME through the entire campaign.

You should retract your claim about "Infowars" being fake news or admit Trump is a "conspiracy theorist".

You are still pimping for the mainstream media by parroting their "fake news" psy-op.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-07   4:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Deckard (#85) (Edited)

So what? Jones had Trump on his show and supported him BIG TIME through the entire campaign.
So what? David Duke supported Trump BIG TIME through the entire campaign. And I should praise Duke for doing that just as you suggest I praise Jones. Neither is going to happen. Alex Jones is a flim-flam man who flip flops with the way the wind blows. He is a conspiracy theorist opportunist. I place no credence in what Alex has to say….you can of course continue to worship at his alter.

Infowars is nothing more than ground zero for the modern conspiracy movement, acting a a central forum for ignorant people who believe the government is going to wipe them out. Infowars is merely a grab bag of links, opinion, ads and goofiness showing collections of conspiracy-driven news articles from outside sources (some mainstream and some fringe) and pieces about tyranny, surveillance and things the government “isn’t telling you.” The stuff you’ll see at Infowars is usually just their spin version of a legitimate news story. You are the CT freak, I am not….you can believe their spin, I will not.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-07   4:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Gatlin (#86) (Edited)

So what? David Duke supported Trump BIG TIME through the entire campaign?

Did David Duke have Trump on his radio show? Alex Jones did.

Did Trump denounce Alex Jones? No, but he denounced Duke.

Nice try queerbaiat but by all means go ahead and keep right on parroting the "fake news" psy-op that has been perpetuated by the MSM in a bizarre reaction to Trump's win.

You'll always be a sheep.

I place no credence in what he has to say….you can of course continue to worship at his alter.

It's "altar" you idiotic commie POS.

And no, I don't. I rarely read his site and I can't even remember the last time I posted anything from Infowars.

Meet The Leftist Professor Who Wrote The 'Hit List' Of "Fake News" Sites

Actually, Fake News, also called News Satire is a type of parody presented in a format typical of mainstream journalism, and calledsatire because of its content.

Not all of the sites listed as "Fake News" are satire. Most are alternative sites run by tireless, dedicated, truth-seeking journalists (real journalists, not the kind you trust).

"Fake News" used in this context is a term created by the leftist media (working from a "list" created by a leftist professor) because the alternative media were instrumental in enabling Hillary's defeat.

Zimdars published and circulated a list of “fake, false, or regularly misleading websites that are shared on Facebook and social media.” She said she began writing the list because she didn’t approve of the sources her students were citing.

The problem?

In addition to some satirical and bogus sites, her list attacks the credibility of well-established news organizations such as Breitbart, BizPac Review, Red State, the Blaze, the Independent Journal Review, Twitchy, the Daily Wire, WND and James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas. In many cases (such as with her WND listing), she offers no explanation for why the news organizations were included on the list.

Mainstream media outlets such as the Los Angeles Times circulated Zimdars’ growing list. The Times headlined its story, “Want to keep fake news out of your newsfeed? College professor creates list of sites to avoid.” The Times offered no details concerning Zimdars’ qualifications or background.

News organizations such as CNN, the Washington PostBoston Globe, New York Magazine, USA Today, Business Insider, the Austin American-Statesman, the Dallas Morning News and others spread the list like gospel and cited it in their reports.

Edit - Jones did have David Duke on his show - for a DEBATE.

Contrast the tone of the debate with this interview of Trump.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-07   5:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Deckard (#87)

Yet bet I will, keep denouncing fake news and yellow journalism.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-07   6:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Gatlin (#88)

Yet bet I will, keep denouncing fake news...

Attaboy! Keep siding with the liberal MSM who is pushing the "fake news" psy-op.

MSNBC Liberals Demand that Google and Facebook Ban “Fake News”

Interesting timing that this cry for social media to crack down on so-called “fake news” comes within the same period that the EU has demanded social media companies comply with censoring fake news or potentially face legal action…

Your support of foreign governments controlling social media should also be noted.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-12-07   8:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Gatlin (#84)

Farmers around the world grow hemp. Legally. And they've been doing so for thousands of years. Hemp is a plant grown from a seed. It can get up to 15 to 20 or so feet tall. It is an annual, herbaceous, long fibre plant similar to flax (linen), jute and ramie. It's the sister plant to marijuana but it won't get you high. However, it's good at doing almost anything else except making you “high.”

There is nothing wrong with a 100% natural hemp rope. In fact, it has many advantages and is readily available for purchase. Amazon even offers the Shibari 100% Natural Hemp Rope with overnight delivery.

You contradict your statement when said that Farmers have been growing hemp; a plant grown from a seed. Hemp comes from the cannabis family. Sources here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp#frbanner3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_sativa

Finally, if there is nothing wrong with hemp, than there is nothing wrong with cannabis either. Both are used to aid in medical treatments just as they may be used for other purposes as well. I would prefer taking these as alternative medicine than the toxic poison approved by the FDA which has killed many people, including my mom.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-07   12:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Gatlin, Operation 40, nolu chan (#73) (Edited)

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...gi?ArtNum=48105&Disp=7#C7

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabis-pdq

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-07   12:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: goldilucky (#90)

http://herb.co/2015/11/27/whats-the-difference- between-hemp-and-cannabis/. .

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-07   17:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: goldilucky (#80)

No I did not say that about marijuana but I did say that about chemotheraphy falling under Title 50 on War and Biological warfare.

Oh, you think chemotherapy falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.

That is so much less idiotic.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-12-07   17:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: goldilucky (#90)

I would rather hav brain surgery....I did!

God maintains a delicate balance between keeping his existence sufficiently evident so people will know he's there and yet hiding his presence enough so that people who want to choose to ignore him can do it. This way, their choice of destiny is really free. - J.P. Morelad

www.evidenceforjesuschrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2016-12-07   17:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: GarySpFC (#94)

I hope for you a continued speedy recovery ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-07   18:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Gatlin (#95)

Thanks, I recovered!

God maintains a delicate balance between keeping his existence sufficiently evident so people will know he's there and yet hiding his presence enough so that people who want to choose to ignore him can do it. This way, their choice of destiny is really free. - J.P. Morelad

www.evidenceforjesuschrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2016-12-07   18:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Operation 40 (#83)

You fantasize that marijuana falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

Well the US Gov did tell farmers to grow Cannabis for the war. And a hemp parachute saved George "New World Order" Bush so that he could go on to bomb a bunch of Iraqis.

Hemp is not cannabis. And growing hemp does not bring marijuana (or chemotherapy) under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.

So you think marijuana is a chemical or biological agent under the Department of Defense Chemical and Biological Warfare Program.

And under the cited 50 U.S.C. § 1520a, a biological agent is specifically defined, and you believe it falls under that definition and is capable of causing,

(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism;

(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or materials of any kind; or

(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.

And you find that this magic substance, When allegedly used for medical treatment, does not fall under the explicitly stated exception of "[a]ny peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity."

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title50-section1520a&num=0&edition=prelim

50 USC 1520a: Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents

Text contains those laws in effect on December 5, 2016

From Title 50-WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

CHAPTER 32-CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM

Jump To:
Source Credit
Codification
Amendments

§1520a. Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents

(a) Prohibited activities

The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)-

(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or

(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.

(b) Exceptions

Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e), the prohibition in subsection (a) does not apply to a test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:

(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity.

(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.

(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.

(c) Informed consent required

The Secretary of Defense may conduct a test or experiment described in subsection (b) only if informed consent to the testing was obtained from each human subject in advance of the testing on that subject.

(d) Prior notice to Congress

Not later than 30 days after the date of final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense (whether directly or under contract) involving the use of human subjects for the testing of a chemical agent or a biological agent, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives a report setting forth a full accounting of those plans, and the experiment or study may then be conducted only after the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date such report is received by those committees.

(e) "Biological agent" defined

In this section, the term "biological agent" means any micro-organism (including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa), pathogen, or infectious substance, and any naturally occurring, bioengineered, or synthesized component of any such micro-organism, pathogen, or infectious substance, whatever its origin or method of production, that is capable of causing-

(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism;

(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or materials of any kind; or

(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.

( Pub. L. 105–85, div. A, title X, §1078, Nov. 18, 1997, 111 Stat. 1915 ; Pub. L. 106–65, div. A, title X, §1067(4), Oct. 5, 1999, 113 Stat. 774 .)

Codification

Section is comprised of section 1078 of Pub. L. 105–85. Subsec. (f) of section 1078 of Pub. L. 105–85 amended section 1523(b) of this title. Subsec. (g) of section 1078 of Pub. L. 105–85 repealed section 1520 of this title.

Section was enacted as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1998, and not as part of Pub. L. 91–121, title IV, §409, Nov. 19, 1969, 83 Stat. 209 , which comprises this chapter. Amendments

1999-Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 106–65 substituted "and the Committee on Armed Services" for "and the Committee on National Security".

nolu chan  posted on  2016-12-07   18:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: GarySpFC (#96)

That's GREAT news ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-12-07   18:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: GarySpFC (#94)

I would rather hav brain surgery....I did!

Good to see you up and about.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2016-12-07   18:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: nolu chan (#93)

Oh, you think chemotherapy falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.

Yes, I know it does.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-08   0:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: GarySpFC (#96)

I'm happy for you that you recovered, GarySpFC.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-12-08   0:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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