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The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: Trump denounces flag burning
Source: USA Today
URL Source: http://usat.ly/2gEiD9k
Published: Nov 29, 2016
Author: David M Jackson
Post Date: 2016-11-29 11:36:29 by misterwhite
Keywords: None
Views: 8805
Comments: 28

Although the Supreme Court has declared flag burning to be a constitutionally protected form of free speech, Donald Trump said Tuesday he still wants to make the practice illegal.

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag," the president-elect tweeted Tuesday. "If they do, there must be consequences — perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

It's not known what inspired Trump's condemnation of flag burning, or whether he will call on Congress to attempt a new law banning it.

While the Supreme Court has upheld flag burning, Trump will have at least one appointment to that body and has a chance to alter the court's ideological direction.

Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!
-- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 29, 2016

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no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-11-29   12:12:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#5)

Heavens! We don't need to do that. Simply declare flag burning as hate speech. Or inciting a riot. Or disturbing the peace. Or that flag burning is equivalent to fighting words.

Free speech doesn't include libel. Or slander. Or shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. Or profanity on the airwaves. We don't have to accept flag burning.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-11-29   12:28:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#6)

Simply declare flag burning as hate speech. Or inciting a riot. Or disturbing the peace. Or that flag burning is equivalent to fighting words.

We don't have to accept flag burning.

Trump wants you to worship the state and its symbols which he believes are more important than your liberty

Murray Rothbard put the issue into perspective:

Keeping our eye on property rights, the entire flag question is resolved easily and instantly. Everyone has the right to buy (or weave) and therefore own a piece of cloth in the shape and design of an American flag (or in any other design) and to do with it what he will: fly it, burn it, defile it, bury it, put it in the closet, wear it, etc. Flag laws are unjustifiable violations of the rights of private property. (Constitutionally, there are many clauses from which private property rights can be derived.)

On the other hand, no one has the right to come up and burn your flag, or someone else’s. That should be illegal, not because a flag is being burned, but because the arsonist is burning your property without your permission. He is violating your property rights.

For so-called conservatives and faux conservatives like Donald Trump, property rights take a backseat to “desecration” of symbols representative of the state. “Are we to make a religion of statolatry? What sort of grotesque religion is that?” writes Rothbard.

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-29   13:08:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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"Everyone has the right to buy (or weave) and therefore own a piece of cloth in the shape and design of an American flag (or in any other design) and to do with it what he will: fly it, burn it, defile it, bury it, put it in the closet, wear it, etc."

I agree. In private.

But when they intentionally defile the flag in public to make some kind of "statement", then their behavior may be offensive to others.

Anyone offending my country in front of me will be treated the same as if they were offending my wife.

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