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On Monday, Trump talked with David Petraeus, the former Army general, and director of the CIA who was convicted of a misdemeanor after he shared a “massive amount” of classified information with his girlfriend and biographer, Paula Broadwell. Petraeus got off easy. The Justice Department wanted to file felony charges for lying to the FBI and violating a section of the Espionage Act, but settled on a hand slap. Trump apparently believes Petraeus’ criminal behavior is not an issue: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Just met with General Petraeus--was very impressed! The establishment media also gave Petraeus a free ticket. USA Today mentioned his transgression—he delivered to Broadwell eight black books containing classified and unclassified notes he took during meetings, conferences and briefings—then the corporate newspaper flipped over to highlighting why he should be the next secretary of state. He would bring a lifetime of military and diplomatic experience at the highest levels, having commanded U.S.-led forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He is credited with tamping violence in Iraq for a time by instituting a counterinsurgency strategy and a “surge” of U.S. forces there. The crimes of David Petraeus are excusable, of course, because he is a valued member of the ruling political class. Consider the response to similar behavior engaged in by Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Chelsea Manning. Politicians and the establishment media have called for Assange and Snowden to be executed. Manning received a 35 year sentence for violating the Espionage Act. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 15. #8. To: Deckard (#0) On Monday, Trump talked with David Petraeus, the former Army general, and director of the CIA who was convicted of a misdemeanor after he shared a “massive amount” of classified information with his girlfriend and biographer, Paula Broadwell. As a mitigating factor, Paula Broadwell was a military intelligence officer who was a Major and approved for promotion to Lt. Colonel and who held a Top Secret clearance, but did not have the proper access authorization or need to know the material to which she was given access. In contrast, Bradley (Chelsea) Manning delivered a trove of classified information to people with no clearance with the deliberate intent to have it published to the world. nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-29   17:37:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: nolu chan (#8) In contrast, Bradley (Chelsea) Manning delivered a trove of classified information to people with no clearance with the deliberate intent to have it published to the world. Is he/she/it/multiple choice being considered for Sec of State? sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-29   18:13:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: sneakypete (#10) Is he/she/it/multiple choice being considered for Sec of State? No. But the article says, Consider the response to similar behavior engaged in by Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Chelsea Manning. Politicians and the establishment media have called for Assange and Snowden to be executed. Manning received a 35 year sentence for violating the Espionage Act. The mentioned individuals do not give a good comparison. Snowden and Manning released stashes of info to people with no clearance to publish it online. Assange publishes information given to him by others. Petraeus improperly gave access to his biographer/lover. She was a military intelligence officer with a Top Secret clearance, but without the requisite access authorization or need to know for the information in question. She was not releasing the information to the world. Petraeus is guilty of an offense, and his act was knowing and intentional, but quite different from Snowden and Manning. nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-29   22:07:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: nolu chan (#11) Petraeus improperly gave access to his biographer/lover. She was a military intelligence officer with a Top Secret clearance, but without the requisite access authorization or need to know for the information in question.She was not releasing the information to the world. Not YET,anyhow. From what I remember reading at the time it was a big issue,she was writing a book about her stud muffin,so it is no unreasonable to assume at least some of the information would be in the book. Petraeus is guilty of an offense, and his act was knowing and intentional, but quite different from Snowden and Manning. I don't know if you were ever in the military or not,but it seems unlikely or you would understand how a senior General Officer doing something like this is MUCH more serious that some snowflake Spec 4 doing it. Petraeus has NO defense whatsoever. Nor does he have any sort of justification other than trying to take a bath in personal glory. On the other hand,Manning has a couple of defenses,one being that he/she/multiple choice is a freaking nutcase that thought he/she/it was doing the moral thing. On top of that,you can't blame Manning for being given that level of access to highly classified information. A senior General can't really use those defenses,can he? sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-30   5:20:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: sneakypete (#12) Not YET,anyhow. From what I remember reading at the time it was a big issue,she was writing a book about her stud muffin,so it is no unreasonable to assume at least some of the information would be in the book. The information was for background and was never inclusion in the book. Te book was published before the scandal. The proof is in the book, (All In: The Education of General David Petraeus). That does not excuse Petraeus. Paula Broadwell was not authorized to see the information. He knowingly put stuff in her possession that belonged in a SCF. I am of the opinion that he should not have a clearance and should not be Secretary of State for that reason. Petraeus is guilty of an offense, and his act was knowing and intentional, but quite different from Snowden and Manning. Yes. He pleaded guilty and was convicted. I don't know if you were ever in the military or not,but it seems unlikely or you would understand how a senior General Officer doing something like this is MUCH more serious that some snowflake Spec 4 doing it. Petraeus has NO defense whatsoever. Nor does he have any sort of justification other than trying to take a bath in personal glory. nolu chan, USN (Ret.) Any actual damage from the actions of Petraeus was minimal, but he knowingly and intentionally let an unauthorized person have access to very highly classified information. He did the deed and had no defense. As a senior general, Petraeus' actions cannot be overlooked. He must be held accountable. Aside from taking a bath in personal glory, there was doing the horizontal bop with Paula Broadwell. On the other hand,Manning has a couple of defenses,one being that he/she/multiple choice is a freaking nutcase that thought he/she/it was doing the moral thing. On top of that,you can't blame Manning for being given that level of access to highly classified information. Manning does not have any legal defense. He may be a nut case, but he knows right from wrong. Manning has mitigating circumstances to be considered at sentencing. Manning delivered the motherlode to Wikileaks for publication to the world. Manning may have done what he thought was the moral thing, but his actions also show that he knew what he was doing was an illegal thing for which he coud be, and was, prosecuted. A senior General can't really use those defenses,can he? Petraeus pleaded guilty. He did not use any defense. He had mitigating information for criminal sentencing. That is not to imply that he should again be given access to the most highly sensitive compartmented information. In reality, senior officers get away with many things just by RHIP. btw, on another thread I saw you reference with uncertain recall a crypto machine you worked with as being a KW-7 and didn't get around to confirming it. That would be a correct recollection, the KW-7/Orestes was widely used for the 82B1 circuitry, and later for point-to-point circuitry. 82B1 was phased out in the 60's by the military and replaced by AUTODIN which required KW-26/Romulus. The current State Department format is the ACP-127 format which was used by the military with the 82B1 system. AUTODIN used a different format set forth in JANAP 128. It's just conjecture, but State may have inherited the 82B1 stuff when the military phased it out. nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-30   13:43:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 15. #16. To: nolu chan (#15) (Edited) btw, on another thread I saw you reference with uncertain recall a crypto machine you worked with as being a KW-7 My career as a communications center specialist was thankfully VERY brief. I didn't bother to confirm it was a KW-7 because frankly I didn't think anyone would care. Too much of a "inside baseball" thing. I MAY have worked as a com center specialist a total of a month after graduating from Signal School at Ft.Gordon. I am just not temperamentally suited to working with a bunch of office twits and playing their "He-Bitch" games. I went to a line company,and spent the rest of my time in the army as a pretty happy camper. Things weren't perfect,but nobody was playing military school ego games and I was treated like an adult. sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-30 18:27:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 15. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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