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Title: Girl suspended from school for cutting peach with child butter knife
Source: WTAJ-TV, Altoona
URL Source: http://www.wearecentralpa.com/news/ ... -peach-with-child-butter-knife
Published: Nov 18, 2016
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2016-11-23 05:33:05 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 19318
Comments: 74

Police turn investigation over to Florida State Attorney's Office

A South Florida couple is outraged after they said their daughter was suspended from her middle school for using a child butter knife at lunchtime to cut a peach, Local10.com reported.

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 "There's no one there trying to educate and to be reasonable to say, 'Let's work this out,'" the girl's father, Ronald Souto, said.

 Souto's daughter is an honor roll student at Silver Trail Middle School in Pembroke Pines.

"She's always trying to help someone. She's always trying to share things," Souto said about his daughter.

Ronald and Andrea Souto told Local 10 News reporter Michael Seiden that their 11-year-old daughter was suspended for six days for bringing the knife to school.

"This is a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers -- one year old," Andrea Souto said. "It is made for children to learn how to eat properly. She's used it since she was baby."

According to the school district, the girl violated the county's weapon policy when she used her butter knife in the cafeteria to cut the peach. 

"The friend asked for half of the peach and she cuts half of the peach and gives to her friend. She goes to the bathroom and comes back and the guy said, 'Follow me,'" Ronald Souto said.

Ronald said he hopes what happened to his daughter will bring change to the district, specifically new polices when it comes to weapons.

He's not alone. 

"I think the principal should revisit this and everyone (should) sit down to the table, and let's just say, 'Don't do it again.' This is outrageous to go to that extreme," Melvin J. Smith, whose grandson attends the school, said.

The Soutos said they were shocked about the suspension and are now concerned that their daughter's act of kindness could lead to criminal charges.

"She's afraid now of the educators. She's afraid of people at school. They need to change the system," Ronald Souto said.

A Broward County school district spokeswoman declined to offer specifics about the incident because of "student privacy," but said, "The school followed district policy regarding this incident and continues to work with the student and parents involved.  It is the district's priority to maintain safe and secure campuses for students and staff at all times."

The Pembroke Pines Police Department said it has turned over their investigation to the State Attorney's Office.

It's unclear whether prosecutors will file charges, but the family's attorney said the school board isn't doing its job in this case.

"The school board has abused its discretion to act in this case," Larry Meltzer said. "It is tragic that a school that this little girl loves sees fit to prosecute and suspend her -- the epitome of a model and honor roll student -- for using a child-proof utensil that could never be construed in any form as a weapon in order to share part of her lunch with a fellow classmate.

"This item at all times was used in the school's lunch room as it should be -- to cut a peach and share lunch with a friend," he added. "She should be applauded for her generosity, kindness and for her motivation to be a great student in all senses of that word.

"The only harm that has been exacted in this case is by Silver Trail Middle School and the Broward County School Board upon one of its finest students and upon one who exemplifies the type of person and student it wishes to help create. It is truly senseless and does reflects poorly upon the type of educators and law enforcement involved in this case." (1 image)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

BUTTER KNIFE -

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   6:58:56 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

What the girl’s mother said to the media after the incident:

"This is a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers -- one year old," [….] "It is made for children to learn how to eat properly.”
What the girls’s mother should have said to the girl before the incident:
This is a Silver Trail Middle School Rules Book for school children – all ages. [….] "It is made for children to learn how to follow school rules properly….you read the rules and follow them.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2)

Attaboy!

Once again Gatlin cheers the State for labeling an innocent child a criminal.

You are a real establishment tool.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   10:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#3) (Edited)

The girl’s parents had a copy of the rules, every parent with a child in the school did. The parents probably didn’t even read it, they probably couldn’t even find it if they wanted to.

The whiney mother is no doubt the type of mother who would tell the cop who stopped her for doing 45 mph in a 15 mph school zone: “But officer I am ONLY driving a SMALL Volkswagen.”

A butter knife is a WEAPON and has been used to stab someone to death. A Texas man fatally stabbed of his wife’s teenage lover with a butter knife. There are other cases where a butter knife was used.

You Paultard libertarian assholes do not live in your OWN world, you can’t decide which rules and laws you choose to follow and which you choose to ignore.

Well, I guess you can….but then: “Breaking Rules has Consequences!”

Always remember that …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4)

A butter knife is a WEAPON and has been used to stab someone to death.

This was a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers -- one year old

Take your "zero tolerance" nonsense and stick it up your ass.

Common sense should prevail in instances like this one.

It's PC assholes like you who instigated this bullshit in the first place.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   10:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#3)

It's unclear whether prosecutors will file charges, but the family's attorney said the school board isn't doing its job in this case.
The school board had a rule against bringing a knife to school, bring ANY KNIFE to school. The rule did not say the only knife a student can bring to school is a butter knife. The school board was enforcing the rule the parents AGREED to.

Where was the school board not doing its job in this case?

…the school board isn't doing its job in this case.

Nah! It’s the girl’s parents who are not doing their job in this case.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#5) (Edited)

This was a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers

It is still a God Damned KNIFE you stupid asshole.

If it was used to cut a peach in half, and it was....it could be used to cut someone's throat.

You STUPIDITY never ceases to amaze the internet world ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#6)

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are clinically insane if you think what this girl did was a crime.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   10:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#8)

I never said it was a crime.

I do say that her parnets had the rule book and they had agreed to follow the rules.

The rules stated that if she brings a knife to school, ANY KNIFE, then she will be suspended.

She brought a knife to school....she was suspended.

Case closed ...

Move along now ...

I am ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin (#9)

So.... You apparently think that:

1) The zero tolerance rule is a good rule;

2) The punishment dispense and proper and beneficial to society, and for the greater good.

Which shows you are a very useful lemming without any ability to think critically.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   11:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite, tater (#10)

According to tater, the school should have brought in a SWAT team to control the butter-knife wielding little bitch. Her parents should be shot at dawn without trial or even courtesy of a blindfold.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-23   11:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#7)

It is still a God Damned KNIFE you stupid asshole.

If it was used to cut a peach in half, and it was....it could be used to cut someone's throat.

You STUPIDITY never ceases to amaze the internet world ...

A "God Damned KNIFE" you call it? Quite a characterization for the item in question. It's as though nothing else at the school has the remotest chance of being used to kill or maim?

Are you also opposed to these kids having pencils and pens? What about those handheld pencil sharpeners? They actually contain steel cutting blades for God's sake! The chairs the kids sit in could easily be used to club any 5 year old to death! Are there windows in the class rooms? Break one and you instantly have a nasty cutting blade! String from art class -- My God.. Some student could use that to strangle someone!

It's amazing any of us survived growing up in those war zones.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   11:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#11)

According to tater, the school should have brought in a SWAT team to control the butter-knife wielding little bitch. Her parents should be shot at dawn without trial or even courtesy of a blindfold.

They should just give teachers tazers, probably. But then the teachers might start attacking kids with it, so that's not a solution, right?

Her parents should be shot at dawn without trial or even courtesy of a blindfold.

Oh, I don't think Gatlin would go that far. He'd allow a trial, and as long as the rules say they could have blindfolds, he'd be okay with that. No such think as a bad rule is his book. All rules should always be followed, no matter what. I guess it's what it comes down to. He'd make a great Nazi.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   11:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite, tater (#13)

Oh, I don't think Gatlin would go that far.

After his SWAT team controlled the little, machete wielding little bitch, he would have set her on the parents to cut off their limbs and let them bleed to death to purge the amoral blight from America forever!

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-23   11:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#10)

So.... You apparently think that:
1) The zero tolerance rule is a good rule;
2) The punishment dispense and proper and beneficial to society, and for the greater good.
There you go again, using the “apparently” word.

FYI: I don’t “apparently” think that …

Instead of always telling me what I “apparently” think….you could ask:

Do YOU think that:
1) The zero tolerance rule is a good rule?

But, nevermind….you said that you don’t ask direct questions.

So, I shall move n …

I continue to notice that you libertarians never ask a question to find out something, you too quickly “assume” that you already know the answer….and therefore automatically move to do an assumptive close on a person’s thought so you can tell them what they should and must think.

You weirdos never live in the real world, you can only survive in life through “abstractism” existing only in thought or idea but not having concrete realities and actual instances.

God help you …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo, Pinguinite, (#14)

After his SWAT team controlled the little, machete wielding little bitch, he would have set her on the parents to cut off their limbs and let them bleed to death to purge the amoral blight from America forever!

Nah, whatever corrective/disciplinary action the rule book the parents agreed to adhere to prescribes….is just fine with me.

If the rule is wrong or the corrective/disciplinary action is too severe, then the parents need to go to the PTSB meeting and get them changed.

But wait, that is not the way you Paultard libertarian assholes operate….you just say “fuck the rules” and don’t follow them if you don’t like them.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#15)

There you go again, using the “apparently” word.

Since it's all you've decided to offer on the topic, it's all we have to go by. If you felt your opinion of the zero tolerance rule might be sufficiently enlightening to the discussion, it's reasonable for us to think you'd post it without solicitation. As is, you instead post support for the school action and also condemnation of the parents and/or child, so the reasonable inference is that you consider that statement most significant contribution you could make.

For whatever reason, you apparently don't consider your opinion on the zero tolerance rule worth posting. That's fine with me, but I'm free to post whatever inference I receive as a result.

Instead of always telling me what I “apparently” think….

I'm actually telling everyone else what you apparently think. If it was just you and me on this forum, I'd say nothing.

If I owned the site, I'd ban you for being a complete waste of hot air.

Have a nice day.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   13:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#13)

No such think as a bad rule is his book. All rules should always be followed, no matter what.
There are bad rules in my book….and when I find a bad rule, I work to get changed.

What do you do when you encounter a bad rule?

I guess it's what it comes down to. He'd make a great Nazi.
Hell, man….I am GREAT at doing everything I have attempted in life or being whatever I wanted to be.

I have never wanted to be a Nazi though….I find the philosophy to closely associated with libertarianism in that they both used a warped and irrational thought process that only idiots believe in and adhere to.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#17)

I'm actually telling everyone else what you apparently think.

Do you think anyone is listening to you or they care…besides buckaroo and Deckard, of course?

If I owned the site, I'd ban you for being a complete waste of hot air.

Typical Paultard libertarian asshole goal….if you can’t control something, then destroy it.

Have a nice day.
Thank you, I always do….I have never had a bad one yet.

But then, of course, I am not a libertarian, so I really don’t know how a bad day feels….perhaps you can tell me sometime.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin, Pinguinite (#19)

If I owned the site, I'd ban you for being a complete waste of hot air.

Typical Paultard libertarian asshole goal….if you can’t control something, then destroy it.

What a colossal hypocrite!!

On another thread you were calling for Stone to ban "Paultards" and turning the site into an"echo chamber" for Trumpists.

#8. To: Deckard (#6)

You two jagoffs would like to see this site turned into an echo-chamber for Trump cultists only.

I'M IN ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23 09:54:54 ET

How do you live with such dishonesty?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   13:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#19)

Do you think anyone is listening to you or they care…besides buckaroo and Deckard, of course?

You are right that it's probably few, but I'm confident more appreciate me than do you.

It is possible bozoing you is the best thing to do. My time is too valuable to spend responding to your hot air talking points, along with your childish "tard" name calling. And it seems your even older than I am too.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   13:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite, tater (#21)

It is possible bozoing you is the best thing to do.

DO NOT BOZO TATER!

You will miss the YUKS on a daily basis.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-23   14:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Pinguinite (#21)

It is possible bozoing you is the best thing to do.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   14:30:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#20)

What a colossal hypocrite!!

Damn....I have been posting with you Paultard asshole libertarians too long and your bad shit may be starting to rub off on me.

I'll have to be careful and watch that ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   14:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Luis Miguel Hernandez, 33, was convicted for the fatal stabbing of his wife’s teenage lover with a butter knife.
Anthony Harrison Baxter killed a couple by twice plunging a butter knife into their hearts.
There are others such cases with a butter knife involved.

A "God Damned KNIFE" you call it? Quite a characterization for the item in question.
I’ll still call it that: A” “God Damned KNIFE.”
Are you also opposed to these kids having pencils and pens? What about those handheld pencil sharpeners?
Ah, FINALLY, a direct question to me, to which I will answer: Nope.

(I thought you said that you didn’t do direct questions….I guess I misunderstood you).

They [handheld pencil sharpeners] actually contain steel cutting blades for God's sake! The chairs the kids sit in could easily be used to club any 5 year old to death! Are there windows in the class rooms? Break one and you instantly have a nasty cutting blade! String from art class -- My God.. Some student could use that to strangle someone!
You show me where a pencil sharpener, school chair, broken school window glass or string has ever been used to kill someone like I showed you where a butter knife was used to kill and then we will discuss this…sounds fair, doesn’t it?
It's amazing any of us survived growing up in those war zones.
Never bothered me. But now that you mention it….that could be the reason some of you misfits turned out to be libertarians….ya think?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   15:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Pinguinite (#13)

They should just give teachers tazers, probably. But then the teachers might start attacking kids with it, so that's not a solution, right?

They do that and also permit those teachers to have firearms as well.

And did anybody stop to think that a kid these days doesn't need a butter knife to cut someone's throat? They just need strong fingernails and a couple of obliging accomplices to complete the act.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-23   15:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pinguinite (#12) (Edited)

Schools don’t just arbitrarily make rules against bringing a knife to school, they usually have a good reason.

Here is but one good reason:

The Utah teenager suspected of stabbing five high school classmates in a boys' locker room before turning the knife on himself Tuesday was a straight-A student with no record of disciplinary trouble, police said.

The 16-year-old suspect, a sophomore in his first year at Orem's Mountain View High School after being home-schooled, also stabbed himself in the neck. He was cornered Tuesday by school workers until a police officer assigned to the school got to the locker room and subdued him with a Taser shot.

Police said it appeared the victims weren't singled out for any reason other than being nearby when the attack started. School district spokeswoman Kimberly Bird said there were no indications the suspect was having problems or being bullied, she said.

Officials did not identify the suspect by name because of his age.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/16/utah-school-stabbing- leaves-5-injured-school-startled.html.

Hey, Pinguinite, this student didn’t use a handheld pencil sharpener which actually contains a steel cutting blade and he didn’t use some glass from a broken window in a class room….he used a “God Damned Knife.” This kid that brought the knife to school was only a few years older than the girl who brought the butter knife to school.

The school has a rule against bringing ANY knife to school....this kid didn't follow the rule, and look what happened.

BTW: The article didn’t specify if the knife used to stab the students was a butter knife of not …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   16:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#27) (Edited)

Well, Gatlin knives are not the only weapons of choice used these days in school. Sharp pencils can be a weapon. Your teeth can be used as a weapon. And so can your body be used as a weapon provided that you know how to fight to the very death.

But you know what is more dangerous than a butter knife, your teeth, or your body as weapons?

Ans: Your mind.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-23   16:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: goldilucky (#28)

Well, Gatlin knives are not the only weapons of choice used these days in school. Sharp pencils can be a weapon. Your teeth can be used as a weapon. And so can your body be used as a weapon provided that you know how to fight to the very death.

But you know what is more dangerous than a butter knife, your teeth, or your body as weapons?

Ans: Your mind.

Well, goldilucky, that's all well and good....your points.

But the discussion here is about knives.

Thank you ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   17:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Okay, here is a summary of my position on this.

I remember reading about a kid in school drawing the imagine of a gun on a piece of paper in the class room and the kid was suspended from school for that. I also remember two kids were playing cowboy in the school yard when one kid pointed a finger at the other with his index finger straight out and his thumb up so as to simulate a pistol. That kid was suspended also.

In both these cases, those were STUPID RULES and should never have been written in first place. I can lay blame on a school for instituting those rules….but I place MORE blame on the parents of the kids for letting those rules stand. I say the parents should carefully study the book of rules they are required to sign and abide by each year and when they discover something as ridiculous as the rules I have just pointed out, they should go to the PTSB meeting and SCREAM like HELL to get those changed….BEFORE HAND! I feel that when the parents are united….they will accomplish that.

On the other hand, I personally see good reason to have a rule prohibiting knives from being brought to school….I just linked you to one good reason and that was where a kid stabbed 5 classmates with a knife he brought to school. So I go for a rule against bringing knives to school.

When a rule against knives being brought to school in order to prevent more stabbings is established, the problem then becomes how to write the rule. Then do you start making some exceptions and say a butter knife like this on for which the girl was suspended …

… is okay because the steel blade is only 3 inches long?

If you start making exceptions, you can wind up with a multitude of pages on exceptions listed. Then when a kid brings a butter knife with a 4 inch blade to school and is suspended, the parents cry and say that a 3 inch blade was okay and “Johnny” shouldn’t be suspended because the knife he brought to school was ONLY one inch longer. This could go on and on …

If you go with drawing a knife or pointing a finger to simulate a pistol as being ridiculous….then I will stand up with you and “sing out” loudly against that.

But if yu go with bringing a 3 inch (estimated from the picture) steel bladed knife to school and tryinb to down play the situation by calling it a “kids toy butter knife used for training” then you will stand alone and I will stand against you.

If that makes me a “Hitler” as you say….then you can damned well throw your right arm up at a 45 degree angle with you palm facing down and start yelling Sieg Heil to me all day long.

I have considered: Why do we need rules? Why do we have rules? Why do we follow rules?

And after consideration, I feel the same as I did before. I confess, I am a “rules and law” person because I feel that rules and laws are important since they keep a society together and functioning. Rules and laws strive to maintain peace and safety among people and provide ways to resolve issues that do arise among individuals. Rules and laws are designed to keep people safe and free from harm, or they should be.

So, I will end this by saying the girl brought a three inch steel bladed knife to school that cut through a peach….therefore it was sharp. If the school had simply said: “Well, sweet child, this is okay this time….but don’t bring it again. Then if that becomes the policy, just to warn, the next youngster may decide to bring his favorite five inch hunting knife to school to show a friend thinking all the time all he will get is a warning from doing so.

I believe rules are rules and they should be well published. I also believe they should be reasonable. Furthermore, I also believe there should be enforcement of the rules, otherwise there should be no rules. On the other hand, I strongly believe if a rule is wrong….then the RULE MUST BE CHANGED. That is done every day, changing rules. It is not a hard thing to do.

You may lower your right arm down now from the 45 degree angle, if you understand and agree with what I said. If you don’t….then I simply don’t know what else to say. I feel that I am a reasonable person….and I don’t feel that it is unfair to have rules and to enforce those rules. Again, as long as they are reasonable rules….and if they are not, then get them changed.

If you still feel like you should place me on bozo….then just go ahead a do it.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   18:03:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, Gatlin (#22)

DO NOT BOZO TATER!

You will miss the YUKS on a daily basis.

No, after some more thought, I think it's the thing to do. At least for a while.

This is a throwing pearls before swine type thing. I have better things, productive things that I can do with my time, and having a stupid conversation, if it even qualifies as that, with Gatlin is not what I should be doing. Maybe he's got time to waste, but I don't.

It's apparent to me that Gatlin purposely responds to articles and others with the intent to inflame, not to offer any kind of constructive viewpoint. This has been demonstrated to my satisfaction on this thread where inferring his position on an article based on his early posts earned me an accusation of improper condemnation because he never explicitly expressed the opinion that I and everyone else inferred. Presumably it's somewhat different, but in spite of advocating he has been misrepresented, he nonetheless refused to voluntarily express that opinion without an engraved invitation because I guess he thinks he's special, or more likely, because he's wants to be an asshole. Which is fine if that's the case. To each his own.

But I don't want to reward it. It's much like feeding wildlife in a wilderness park. It's bad for them and you. As I said, I would ban Gatlin if this were my site. Site owners should certainly exercise the ban power cautiously when it comes to people they differ with politically. Having opposing viewpoints is valuable for any forum and personal bias can a proper decision hard. But that's not my burden. So... to bozo Gatlin goes.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   18:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#31)

That is the second time that Pinguinite has said he would ban me if this were his site. This time he pinged you as probably an inference that it is an action you should take.

As I have said many times, this is your site and I am here only at your pleasure. Anytime I do something you deem wrong, then of course you have the right to ban me….and that is the way it should be. It is the RULE, albeit an inferred one….IT IS STILL THE RULE.

I challenged Pinguinite on the issue of the girl bring the knife to school. And the candy-ass weakling got all upset because of the way I presented my position, or more so, the way I would not let him defend a position he wrongly held. If that pissed him off, as it obviously did….then that’s fine with me. If he doesn’t care to read my posts and respond to me….that’s also fine with me.

But I will never let anyone tell me WHAT TO THINK. I carefully consider my position and opinion and before I post it. I shoot all the holes in my argument that I can find in advance of posting it. Therefore, I seldom….if ever….change my position on anything.

I will continue to express my positions STRONGLY and if you find that is disrupting your forum, as Pinguinite has tried to point out to you….then I ask you to say so now. At which time I will immediately depart your forum or you can ban me.

But no candy assed weakling is going to stamp his feet, roll around on the floor and bawl about the way I argue against him and expect me to relent….for I will not. I WILL STAND MY GROUND.

You may respond to this post, if you so choose. If you do no choose to do so, I will consider that to be an okay for me to continue to post in the method I have been doing, and have at these self righteous assholes who always think they are right about everything and try to shove their philosophies and agendas down my throat.

Respectfully,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   19:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#5)

Common sense should prevail in instances like this one.

Ready. Fire! Aim.

The school has no discretion. It is district policy coming from on high.

Zero-tolerance policies did not sprout from nowhere. Litigious parents tend to sue whenever their precious snowflake gets any form of punishment. Zero-tolerance was the result. There is no interpretation of the rule whatever to be made. There is no discretion afforded in enforcement. Do not bring a knife to school. Zero tolerance rules are made for nonsensical parents who exercise no common sense.

http://www.local10.com/education/girl-suspended-from-middle-school-for-cutting-peach-with-child-butter-knife

A Broward County school district spokeswoman declined to offer specifics about the incident because of "student privacy," but said, "The school followed district policy regarding this incident and continues to work with the student and parents involved. It is the district's priority to maintain safe and secure campuses for students and staff at all times."

The Pembroke Pines Police Department said it has turned over their investigation to the State Attorney's Office.

It's unclear whether prosecutors will file charges, but the family's attorney said the school board isn't doing its job in this case.

"The school board has abused its discretion to act in this case," Larry Meltzer said. "It is tragic that a school that this little girl loves sees fit to prosecute and suspend her -- the epitome of a model and honor roll student -- for using a child-proof utensil that could never be construed in any form as a weapon in order to share part of her lunch with a fellow classmate.

http://www.guns.com/2016/11/18/zero-tolerance-weapons-policies-are-absurd-leave-no-room-for-explanation/

The girl received a suspension for six days as a result of the system’s weapons policy.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-23   19:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#4) (Edited)

“Breaking Rules has Consequences!”

So does manufacturing a culture full of Useful Idiot poodles:

VxH  posted on  2016-11-23   19:59:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard, nolu chan, A K A Stone (#33) (Edited)

A straight-A Utah high school student brouht a knife to school then stabbed five boys in the school's locker room before stabbing himself and the bleeding heart libertarian assholes on LF post nothing about it and neither do they make a comment after I post it.

Yet a girl brings this 3-inch steel blade knife to school and the bleeding heart libertarian assholes get their panties all wadded up between their crotch and start moaning and crying trying to pass it off as a teeny-tiny “wittle” butter knife a very small infant uses to learn how to eat.

Look at the picture. There is nothing there to garner the description as a “butter knife.” That descriptive term was coined by the author to downplay the potential danger of the knife. Look at the picture and you will see a STANDARD stainless steel knife, fork and spoon set with, judging by the length of the handle in proportion, a blade length of at least 3 inches or more.

The school the girl attends has a written police that NO KNIVES OF ANY KIND will be brought to school. The school where the boy who stabbed 5 students also has a written policy that no knives of any kind will be brought to school Don’t you think the parents of the 5 stabbed students wish someone had discovered the boy with the knife before the stabbings and suspended him for six days?

But the bleeding heart libertarian assholes may contend that the young girl had no intention of stabbing anyone. Well they could have said that about the young kid that did the stabbing….until he did the stabbing.

It is as nolu chan posted:

Zero-tolerance policies did not sprout from nowhere. Litigious parents tend to sue whenever their precious snowflake gets any form of punishment. Zero- tolerance was the result. There is no interpretation of the rule whatever to be made. There is no discretion afforded in enforcement. Do not bring a knife to school [ANY KNIFE[. Zero tolerance rules are made for nonsensical parents who exercise no common sense.
You Paultard libertarian assholes can continue to whimper, cry and attempt to discredit me as long as you want to….but it will do me no harm and I will not change my point of view. I will also continue to defend my position and say that a steel bladed knife should not be in a student's hand at school. You don’t believe that….then ask the parents of the 5 students who were stabbed to explain "why" to you.

Zero tolerance is there for a reason in this case. The reason has been demonstrated by the stabbing of 5 students.

Now suck it up, you Paultard libertarian assholes and face reality….don’t be swayed by some tear-jerking liberal biased agenda driven article yet another time.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   21:02:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#5)

Take your "zero tolerance" nonsense and stick it up your ass.

Take your anything goes bullshit and jam that up your Stinky Pete hole. If you want everyone to live by your standards, become this school districts superintendent... or shut the fuck up.

If a school district outside of where you live decides to be zero tolerant, then it's non of your business. Asshole.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-11-23   21:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Gatlin, hondo68, pinguinite, A K A Stone (#32)

That is the second time that Pinguinite has said he would ban me if this were his site.

I'll second that emotion, you tard.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-11-23   21:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Fred Mertz (#37)

That is the second time that Pinguinite has said he would ban me if this were his site.

I'll second that emotion, you tard.

Nothing you ever have to say counts for SHIT, Ethel....So, I don't GAF!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   22:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#38)

Clean up the language, tater peeler.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-11-23   22:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Fred Mertz (#39) (Edited)

Clean up the language, tater peeler.

No!

You DON'T tell ME what to do!

If you don't like it....don't read it!

Now...BUTT out....ASSHOLE!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   22:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#31)

So... to bozo Gatlin goes.

I'm doing the same right after I post this.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-11-23   22:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Fred Mertz (#41)

So... to bozo Gatlin goes.

I'm doing the same right after I post this.

GOOD BYE!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   22:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Gatlin (#25) (Edited)

Glass can also be used as a weapon.

Case scenario: Back in '95, I was in a dressing room with several of my co-workers. Two of them were fighting to the point that the one pushed the other very hard next to a standing vanity mirror. The mirror split into several places leaving shards of glass on the floor. The one co-worker picked up one of the shards of glass and took and grabbed the other co-worker and began slicing into their right side temple of the face and continued all way down to their leg. There was blood everywhere and all I remember is running to the restroom to get some paper towels to stop the bleeding while awaiting for an ambulance. I believe the fight started where one of the co-workers said some shitty stuff about the other co-worker which was effecting their earnings, and that set off the fight.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-23   22:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Fred Mertz (#41)

I'm doing the same right after I post this.

If I bozo someone, it isn't about that someone. It's about me and who I want to spend my time conversing with. Simple as that. I want to converse with people I respect. Life is better that way.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   23:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: goldilucky (#43)

Glass can also be used as a weapon.

It's a certainty that people have died from broken glass. I think the drummer from ABBA was killed that way in a home accident, if memory serves.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   23:15:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Deckard (#45)

I have no doubt the 11-year old girl who is portrayed as an innocent little darling knew exactly what she was doing and knew that she was prohibited from doing it.

The kids who bring knives and guns to schools this day and time are not innocent babies who just happen to make a mistake.

They know what they are doing, and they will do it as long as they can get away with doing it.

Whether they are age 11, 13, 15 or 17….it doesn’t matter….they know what they are bringing to the schools.

A day after a 13-year-old boy brought a handgun to a Queens middle school, random metal detector searches at the same school uncovered even more weapons, officials said.

Three students at Middle School 202 in Ozone Park tried to sneak in two knives and two box-cutters Thursday, according to school safety agent union officials.

One 12-year-old boy came to school with a four-and-a-half inch, stashed in his backpack, police sources said.

School safety agents prepared a “juvenile report” against the boy, then released him to his mother, sources said.

School officials also caught a 15-year-old girl with two box-cutters, and a 13- year-old boy with a three-and-a-half inch knife.

“We take this matter very seriously, the item was safely confiscated and appropriate follow-up actions will be taken,” Education Department spokeswoman Toya Holness said when asked about the kitchen knife incident.

“Safety comes first, and we have detailed protocols and robust programs in place to ensure schools provide a safe and supportive learning environment in every school building.”

On Wednesday, cops took a 13-year-old boy into custody after he brought a .22- caliber handgun to the school.

The boy showed the gun to a friend, who told school authorities, sources said.

That incident marked the fourth time since the start of the current academic year on Sept. 8 that a city student was busted bringing a gun to school.

Also on Wednesday, school officials at Intermediate School 93 in Ridgewood caught a 13-year-old boy with an imitation pistol, police sources said. The boy told another student he was carrying a gun, and that student told school administrators, which led to a search of the boy’s bag.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-kids- caught-sneaking-knives-school-article-1.2868335

The attacks by kids in schools are increasing in numbers and getting more severe.

It is a problem that needs to be recognized and dealt with….and it cannot be dealt with by a bunch of liberal cry babies coddling the kids.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   23:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Gatlin (#46)

The attacks by kids in schools are increasing in numbers and getting more severe.

And you know why that's happening, Gatlin? It's because some of the parents of those kids teach their kids to be assholes and bullies to other classmates and then those classmates wonder why all hell breaks loose on those campuses. But its not just the parents that are at fault but also the school that condones such gross behavior.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-23   23:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: goldilucky (#47) (Edited)

The attacks by kids in schools are increasing in numbers and getting more severe.

And you know why that's happening, Gatlin? It's because some of the parents of those kids teach their kids to be assholes and bullies to other classmates and then those classmates wonder why all hell breaks loose on those campuses. But its not just the parents that are at fault but also the school that condones such gross behavior.

We are in complete agreement.

I believe that kids usually mirror their parents ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   23:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deckard (#5)

Common sense should prevail in instances like this one.

Yea, that is absolutely correcrt.

The girl should have had enought common sense not to take the knife to school.

The parents should have had enough common sense to make sure the girl had enough common sense not to take the knife to school

Yep, is is as you say: Common sense should prevail in instances like this one.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   23:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)

You are a weak libtard. People like you need safe spaces. Your weakness makes me wanna puke.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-11-23   23:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: GrandIsland (#50)

You are a weak libtard.

You and Gatlin have a fetish about calling people "tards". As I've made clear before, it's quite childish to resort to such name calling time and time again.

Your weakness makes me wanna puke.

The power to make someone puke would actually be a strength of one sort or another, not a weakness. But puke away, if you want.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   23:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GrandIsland (#50) (Edited)

You are a weak libtard. People like you need safe spaces. Your weakness makes me wanna puke.

He is a candy assed libertarian, who like all libertarians stomp the feet and scream if someone doesn’t agree with them.

He ran up against one person tonight that didn’t yield to him….so, “’he picked up his marbles” and ran home to mommy.

And Freddy ran home crying with him …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   23:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GrandIsland (#51)

You and Gatlin have a fetish about calling people "tards".

I guess he doesn’t like that we call them as we see them….TRUTHFULLY.

Calling them the Paultard assholes that they are….raises their hackles.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-24   0:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Gatlin (#35)

Allen's Axiom: When all else fails, read the instructions.

As a corollary, I would add: do not gun deck the acknowledgement form.

http://browardschools.com/SiteMedia/Docs/Info/CodeBook/FINAL_SY_2016-17_Revised_Code.pdf

The Code Book for Student Conduct 2016-2017, Broward County Public Schools

At ii:

Dear Students and Parents: As your Superintendent, I am dedicated to working with the staff, parents and community to meeting the educational needs of all students in a safe learning environment.

The Code of Student Conduct, Policy 5.8, provides specific information regarding the rules that all students are expected to adhere to, as well as consequences for violations of the policy set forth in this document. The Code of Student Conduct policy addresses expectations for all students in terms of consistent and timely attendance, respect for people and property, appropriate dress, technology usage, student publications, student activities, student records and the right to appeal, including grievance procedures. Please review all information in the Code of Student Conduct policy carefully and together discuss the consequences of violating the rules.

The Code of Student Conduct, Policy 5.8 will be distributed electronically. Students and parents are required to sign a statement indicating that they have received their Code of Student Conduct booklet, are aware of the explanation of rules it provides in policy, and have selected their options for media and directory information release.

At 71:

Use/Possession/Transmittal of Class B weapons include, but not limited to:

Ammunition and any component thereof, including, but not limited to bullets, shotgun shells, bullet casings, magazine clips

Any instrument, tool, object or substance used in a threatening manner toward another person

Blunt bladed-table knives and common pocket knives. A common pocket knife is a knife that folds into its handle, with a blade measuring three (3) inches or less

Chains (i.e., household, industrial)

Chemical weapon or device such as pepper spray or mace with the capacity to hold two (2) ounces or less of the chemical

Flammable liquids or combustible materials

Nunchakus, Chinese stars

Other pointed instruments or sharp objects, other than school supplies (i.e., pencil, compass)

Pipe - A hollow cylinder or tube made of metal, wood, plastic or similar material

Slingshot - a hand-held and hand-powered device consisting of a frame with attached rubber strap/straps, used for shooting objects

nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-24   0:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Deckard (#0)

According to the school district, the girl violated the county's weapon policy when she used her butter knife in the cafeteria to cut the peach.

May I ask what the girl was expected to use to cut the peach with in the cafeteria?

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-24   1:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: goldilucky (#55)

May I ask what the girl was expected to use to cut the peach with in the cafeteria?

Whatever the school, at its sole discretion, provides. That could be a plastic spork or whatever. I assume the other kids are getting it done somehow.

If the school allows knives and someone gets stabbed, the school district gets sued for allowing an unsafe environment. If some school authority determines that Johhny's knife is dangerous, and Jimmy's is not, the school district gets sued for disparate treatment. If the school sets a zero tolerance policy, and enforces it, they are golden. It is difficult to make any lawsuit.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-24   1:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: nolu chan (#56)

What kind of school is this...a reform school for delinquents? It sounds to me like prison.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-24   2:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: nolu chan, Pinguinite, Deckard, all libtard assholes condemning the action by the school (#54)

Allen's Axiom: When all else fails, read the instructions.
As a corollary, I would add: do not gun deck the acknowledgement form.

The Acknowledgement Form located at:

http://browardschools.com/SiteMedia/Docs/Info/CodeBook/Final-2016- 17_Signature_Forms_Code_of_Sudent_Conduct.pdf.
The Broward County Public Schools – Acknowledgement - Page 15 of 15
This booklet lists the District’s rules in Policy 5.8, for students in Broward County Public Schools. The rules apply to all activities occurring on school grounds, on other sites being used for school activities, and on any vehicles authorized totransport students. Your signature below does not indicate that you agree or disagree with the rules, but rather that you have reviewed the electronic copy of these rules (www.BrowardSchools.com/ index.asp). Return this form to school within 3 days from the first day of school or from the date of enrollment.

[…]

Signature / Date Blocks

The bold red is included as part of the acknowledgement….it was NOT added..

The parents HAD to sign this Acknowledgement Form before their child was admitted to the school.

The patents acknowledged they had reviewed the rules.

Therefore, they had to have known the girl was not allowed to take the knife to school.

The School Board’s suspension was without question authorized and justified.

You libtard assholes….just keep on whining….that is the only repercussion you have available.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-24   6:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: goldilucky, nolu chan (#57)

What kind of school is this...a reform school for delinquents? It sounds to me like prison.
It’s the same kind of school you have there in Las Vegas, Clark County, Nevada….where I believe you said you live.

Your schools have basically the same RULES.

Check the restrictions on Page 2 of CLARK COUNTY DISTRICT SCHOOL REGULATION at:

http://ccsd.net/district/policies- regulations/pdf/5141.1_R.pdf.

This is nothing new….most all schools across the nation have the same basic inclusive rules.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-24   6:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Gatlin (#59) (Edited)

Sorry but the schools I attended did not have policies like this. Schools like these today are prison camps for those students and the school principal and superindendent managing them are merely prison guards. Plastic forks to cut a peach! What is the school going to do next? Like take the plastic forks away and have the kids eating meat loaf and mashed potatoes with their hands?

I feel so sorry for those students. The best thing to do is pull the kid out of those schools and home school them cause they sure as hell are not learning anything of true value anyways.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-24   17:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: goldilucky (#60)

Sorry but the schools I attended did not have policies like this.

Neither did the school I attended. All 12 grades were in one small building.

There was no rule book, no code of conduct....except the principal's paddle board.

Fortunately, I escaped the wrath of the paddle board and never felt the experence ...

Unfortunately for the youth today....times have changed, so have the parents.

God help them....the kids of today.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-24   18:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Gatlin (#61)

Unfortunately, I never escaped the wrath of the paddle from the teachers. The paddle never served its purpose with me at all. I spend more time in the principals office than in the classroom. However, the principal and I enjoyed each others company from having lunch together to just spending my time in detention. We had a mutual respect and understanding for one another. Never did they lay a hand on me or said discouraging words to me and never yelled at me. On the other hand, the teachers and I never had respect for one another. Never!

The reason why the kids of today have it worse than schools of yesterday, is that the teachers are not there to teach anymore. They just don't care about those students. They prefer to keep those student dumb and stupid. Students respect a teacher that permits the students to express themselves and even be challenged academically. This does not exist in the classrooms. As a result of this the students are discouraged about their future place in this world because they feel nobody gives a shit about them. After all, this is their world too. They are repeatedly told they are not special and put down alot by older generations that they are shit. As a result, if they are not getting this treatment from school, they are getting it from home. And since they have no place to vent their anger and rage, we are seeing the results of this on the school campuses where school fights turn into dangerous rages. Older generations laugh at this but to the younger generations, this is real. It is not so much that God should help this younger generation but also the older generation to guide them. After all, we did bring them into this world. Although it is true that the world never promised today's youth a rose garden, it also never promised any other generations a rosy garden either.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-24   21:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: goldilucky (#62)

True....all of it.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-24   22:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: goldilucky (#57)

What kind of school is this...a reform school for delinquents? It sounds to me like prison.

It is now a typical school that must face the reality of litigation such as that described below. They sue the school district because that is where the potential jackpot is. The school districts must take measures to prevent jackpot payments.

FYI: Islip is pronounced ICE-lip.

http://www.courthousenews.com/CNSNEWS/Story/Index/93615

Muslim Mom Sues School for $50 Million

8/17/2016 5:45:00 AM, Nick Divito

CENTRAL ISLIP, N.Y. (CN) — Schoolyard bullies frightened a 12-year-old developmentally disabled Pakistani-American boy by calling him a terrorist, so to fend them off and without knowing what he was talking about, he said he belonged to ISIS and was going to blow up the school's fence, his mother says in a $50 million lawsuit against the school.

Nubaisha Amar sued the East Islip Union Free School District, East Islip Middle School, the school superintendent, principal and an assistant principal on Monday in Federal Court.

Amar calls her son's ordeal a prime example of "Islamophobia," and "rampant discrimination" against Muslims, which is "ongoing, escalating and troubling."

Her son has a known "social, language and learning disability," she says. Through bullying by his peers, he was coerced to say he was a member of ISIS, "a vile, abhorrent and infamous terrorist organization," his attorney wrote in the 44-page lawsuit.

The boy was born in Islip Terrace, a town in Suffolk County, a suburb of Long Island, N.Y.

He was attending Connetquot Elementary School when the bullying began. He had been diagnosed with "severe learning and social disabilities, as well as speech, language, vocabulary and communication impairment."

He had been diagnosed with the learning disabilities since kindergarten, the lawsuit notes. Psychological evaluations in his file noted that he was "very sweet and cooperative," and a "kind boy," "very polite."

But in January this year he was subjected to "severe bullying" from an older pack of students in the school cafeteria. They called him a "terrorist," and asked "what he was going to blow up next," his mother says in the complaint.

In an attempt to stop the incessant bullying, he finally said that he is a terrorist and was going to blow up a fence at the school.

But he had no idea what that meant, his mother says.

He thought a "'terrorist' was someone who 'travels from place to place,' more akin to a 'tourist,'" and he said "fence" "because that was the first thing he saw when he peered out of the cafeteria window," his mom says in the complaint.

He was plucked out of gym class and hauled into the principal's office, where the principal interrogated him, asking him, among other things, if he knew who Osama bin Laden was, and if he was part of ISIS, his mother says.

His backpack, wallet and cellphone were illegally searched, and he was forced to confess that he was part of ISIS, that he knew how to make bombs, was making them at his home, and was going to blow up the school, according to the complaint.

He didn't write the confession; he just unknowingly signed it, according to the complaint.

That first bogus confession was ripped from his hands and torn up, and a new draft was made. He was forced under duress to sign another confession to the same accusations.

His mother, who was six months pregnant at the time, came into the office , "scared, dizzy and distraught," after being called to talk to security. Her son was banned from school for more than a month.

The boys who taunted him were never disciplined, his mother says.

Mother and son were taken to a police station and their home was searched, including the boy's room, his phone and all computers.

The boy now suffers from "extreme emotional distress, including, but not limited to nightmares, sleeplessness, crying, fear, humiliation and stress," according to the complaint.

The family seeks punitive damages for defamation, racial and disability discrimination, intentional infliction of emotional distress and several constitutional violations.

The school district declined to comment in a phone call Tuesday afternoon.

The lawsuit was filed by David Antwork.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-25   0:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: nolu chan (#64)

The Code of Student Conduct, Policy 5.8 will be distributed electronically. Students and parents are required to sign a statement indicating that they have received their Code of Student Conduct booklet, are aware of the explanation of rules it provides in policy, and have selected their options for media and directory information release.

From your post #54, I quote you from above.

If the parents did sign a statement of such concerning the school handbook and the school zero policy on bringing of illegal items on the campus, then is it fair to say that the parents would lose in court because they waived their right to sue?

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-25   2:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: goldilucky (#65)

If the parents did sign a statement of such concerning the school handbook and the school zero policy on bringing of illegal items on the campus, then is it fair to say that the parents would lose in court because they waived their right to sue?

They make it mandatory to sign an acknowledgement of the rules in order for little Johnny to attend the school. This is done for legal reasons to defeat any subsequent claim of unawareness of the rules.

They did not waive their right to sue, but they have no case. It would be documented that they acknowledged knowing the rules. With knowledge of the rules, they sent their snowflake to school with what they knew to be a prohibited knife.

From the article at the top:

"The school board has abused its discretion to act in this case," Larry Meltzer said.

To make this case, one would have to prove that the school board did not have the discretionary power to prohibit the bringing of knives to school, or to implement a zero tolerance policy providing for a mandatory suspension.

If the school does not ban knives, someone is sure to sue them for abuse of discretion for allowing students to bring weapons to school, allowing an unsafe environment, and failing their affirmative duty to provide a safe environment. Let the first student get stabbed and see who gets sued, the student doing the stabbing or the school district with the money.

In the example at #54, a boy is called names by other boys and says he is going to set off a bomb at the school. The school reports it. Mom sues the school district for $50M.

If a teacher used a paddle today, little Johnny would tell his parents and they would sue. And when you went to school and got paddled, if you complained to your parents, you may have got another paddling for misbehaving.

If students are fighting in the classroom, totally disrupting class, it goes on while the teacher calls the assigned safety officer and waits for him to arrive to break it up.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-25   12:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: nolu chan (#66)

Yep, and this is why homeschooling is the best alternative. I wound never subject a child to a school like this. In fact, I would have an attorney present with me before I signed some mandatory policy that would put me at a disadvantage to sue later. I don't believe in subjecting a child to a school system that regards them all as criminals.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-25   12:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: nolu chan (#66)

What I find interesting about schools like this is that while they will impose mandatory policies on our children they will also impose the teachings of Sharia law in the classroom yet ban the teachings of Jesus.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-25   13:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Deckard (#0)

All this shit over a childs training butter knife when pencils or ball point pens can be used as far more dangerous weapons. This is insane hysteria.

rlk  posted on  2016-11-25   13:56:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: rlk, tater (#69)

All this shit over a childs training butter knife when pencils or ball point pens can be used as far more dangerous weapons. This is insane hysteria.

As tater sez: d' ruelz b' d' ruelz; if you don't like it move to Communist China.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-25   14:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo (#70)

As tater sez: d' ruelz b' d' ruelz; if you don't like it move to Communist China.

I think I'm already there during Mao's second revolution with millions of hysterical halfwits running around waving little red books labeled "Quotations from Chairpeople Obama and Hillary" looking for an excuse to stomp on somebody.

rlk  posted on  2016-11-25   14:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: rlk, tater (#71)

LQQK @ it this way: we have TRUMPERETTES now. According to tater, we can relax and have a good tyme while letting the Trump administration to do their "thing" without any worry or bother.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-25   15:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: rlk (#71) (Edited)

hysterical halfwits

"Quotations from Chairpeople Obama and Hillary"

yeah

I'm
for
zero
tolerance

for
zero
tolerance

love
boris

ps

In
Cambodia
they
would
eat
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warm
liver
if
you
had
reading
glasses

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shaka
Zulu
mau
mau
hutu
... dnc
too

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-11-25   16:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: BorisY (#73)

Glad to see you made it back out of EST of about 20GigaWatts of power applied across the frontal lobes.

We shall have to increase the applied electromotive force to further subdue you on the stainless steel gurney. Have you signed the new documentation authorizing your signature to be used indescriminently?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-25   17:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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