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Title: Girl suspended from school for cutting peach with child butter knife
Source: WTAJ-TV, Altoona
URL Source: http://www.wearecentralpa.com/news/ ... -peach-with-child-butter-knife
Published: Nov 18, 2016
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2016-11-23 05:33:05 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 36227
Comments: 74

Police turn investigation over to Florida State Attorney's Office

A South Florida couple is outraged after they said their daughter was suspended from her middle school for using a child butter knife at lunchtime to cut a peach, Local10.com reported.

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 "There's no one there trying to educate and to be reasonable to say, 'Let's work this out,'" the girl's father, Ronald Souto, said.

 Souto's daughter is an honor roll student at Silver Trail Middle School in Pembroke Pines.

"She's always trying to help someone. She's always trying to share things," Souto said about his daughter.

Ronald and Andrea Souto told Local 10 News reporter Michael Seiden that their 11-year-old daughter was suspended for six days for bringing the knife to school.

"This is a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers -- one year old," Andrea Souto said. "It is made for children to learn how to eat properly. She's used it since she was baby."

According to the school district, the girl violated the county's weapon policy when she used her butter knife in the cafeteria to cut the peach. 

"The friend asked for half of the peach and she cuts half of the peach and gives to her friend. She goes to the bathroom and comes back and the guy said, 'Follow me,'" Ronald Souto said.

Ronald said he hopes what happened to his daughter will bring change to the district, specifically new polices when it comes to weapons.

He's not alone. 

"I think the principal should revisit this and everyone (should) sit down to the table, and let's just say, 'Don't do it again.' This is outrageous to go to that extreme," Melvin J. Smith, whose grandson attends the school, said.

The Soutos said they were shocked about the suspension and are now concerned that their daughter's act of kindness could lead to criminal charges.

"She's afraid now of the educators. She's afraid of people at school. They need to change the system," Ronald Souto said.

A Broward County school district spokeswoman declined to offer specifics about the incident because of "student privacy," but said, "The school followed district policy regarding this incident and continues to work with the student and parents involved.  It is the district's priority to maintain safe and secure campuses for students and staff at all times."

The Pembroke Pines Police Department said it has turned over their investigation to the State Attorney's Office.

It's unclear whether prosecutors will file charges, but the family's attorney said the school board isn't doing its job in this case.

"The school board has abused its discretion to act in this case," Larry Meltzer said. "It is tragic that a school that this little girl loves sees fit to prosecute and suspend her -- the epitome of a model and honor roll student -- for using a child-proof utensil that could never be construed in any form as a weapon in order to share part of her lunch with a fellow classmate.

"This item at all times was used in the school's lunch room as it should be -- to cut a peach and share lunch with a friend," he added. "She should be applauded for her generosity, kindness and for her motivation to be a great student in all senses of that word.

"The only harm that has been exacted in this case is by Silver Trail Middle School and the Broward County School Board upon one of its finest students and upon one who exemplifies the type of person and student it wishes to help create. It is truly senseless and does reflects poorly upon the type of educators and law enforcement involved in this case." (1 image)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

BUTTER KNIFE -

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   6:58:56 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

What the girl’s mother said to the media after the incident:

"This is a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers -- one year old," [….] "It is made for children to learn how to eat properly.”
What the girls’s mother should have said to the girl before the incident:
This is a Silver Trail Middle School Rules Book for school children – all ages. [….] "It is made for children to learn how to follow school rules properly….you read the rules and follow them.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2)

Attaboy!

Once again Gatlin cheers the State for labeling an innocent child a criminal.

You are a real establishment tool.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   10:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#3) (Edited)

The girl’s parents had a copy of the rules, every parent with a child in the school did. The parents probably didn’t even read it, they probably couldn’t even find it if they wanted to.

The whiney mother is no doubt the type of mother who would tell the cop who stopped her for doing 45 mph in a 15 mph school zone: “But officer I am ONLY driving a SMALL Volkswagen.”

A butter knife is a WEAPON and has been used to stab someone to death. A Texas man fatally stabbed of his wife’s teenage lover with a butter knife. There are other cases where a butter knife was used.

You Paultard libertarian assholes do not live in your OWN world, you can’t decide which rules and laws you choose to follow and which you choose to ignore.

Well, I guess you can….but then: “Breaking Rules has Consequences!”

Always remember that …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4)

A butter knife is a WEAPON and has been used to stab someone to death.

This was a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers -- one year old

Take your "zero tolerance" nonsense and stick it up your ass.

Common sense should prevail in instances like this one.

It's PC assholes like you who instigated this bullshit in the first place.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   10:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#3)

It's unclear whether prosecutors will file charges, but the family's attorney said the school board isn't doing its job in this case.
The school board had a rule against bringing a knife to school, bring ANY KNIFE to school. The rule did not say the only knife a student can bring to school is a butter knife. The school board was enforcing the rule the parents AGREED to.

Where was the school board not doing its job in this case?

…the school board isn't doing its job in this case.

Nah! It’s the girl’s parents who are not doing their job in this case.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#5) (Edited)

This was a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers

It is still a God Damned KNIFE you stupid asshole.

If it was used to cut a peach in half, and it was....it could be used to cut someone's throat.

You STUPIDITY never ceases to amaze the internet world ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#6)

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are clinically insane if you think what this girl did was a crime.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   10:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#8)

I never said it was a crime.

I do say that her parnets had the rule book and they had agreed to follow the rules.

The rules stated that if she brings a knife to school, ANY KNIFE, then she will be suspended.

She brought a knife to school....she was suspended.

Case closed ...

Move along now ...

I am ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   10:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin (#9)

So.... You apparently think that:

1) The zero tolerance rule is a good rule;

2) The punishment dispense and proper and beneficial to society, and for the greater good.

Which shows you are a very useful lemming without any ability to think critically.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   11:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite, tater (#10)

According to tater, the school should have brought in a SWAT team to control the butter-knife wielding little bitch. Her parents should be shot at dawn without trial or even courtesy of a blindfold.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-23   11:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#7)

It is still a God Damned KNIFE you stupid asshole.

If it was used to cut a peach in half, and it was....it could be used to cut someone's throat.

You STUPIDITY never ceases to amaze the internet world ...

A "God Damned KNIFE" you call it? Quite a characterization for the item in question. It's as though nothing else at the school has the remotest chance of being used to kill or maim?

Are you also opposed to these kids having pencils and pens? What about those handheld pencil sharpeners? They actually contain steel cutting blades for God's sake! The chairs the kids sit in could easily be used to club any 5 year old to death! Are there windows in the class rooms? Break one and you instantly have a nasty cutting blade! String from art class -- My God.. Some student could use that to strangle someone!

It's amazing any of us survived growing up in those war zones.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   11:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#11)

According to tater, the school should have brought in a SWAT team to control the butter-knife wielding little bitch. Her parents should be shot at dawn without trial or even courtesy of a blindfold.

They should just give teachers tazers, probably. But then the teachers might start attacking kids with it, so that's not a solution, right?

Her parents should be shot at dawn without trial or even courtesy of a blindfold.

Oh, I don't think Gatlin would go that far. He'd allow a trial, and as long as the rules say they could have blindfolds, he'd be okay with that. No such think as a bad rule is his book. All rules should always be followed, no matter what. I guess it's what it comes down to. He'd make a great Nazi.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   11:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite, tater (#13)

Oh, I don't think Gatlin would go that far.

After his SWAT team controlled the little, machete wielding little bitch, he would have set her on the parents to cut off their limbs and let them bleed to death to purge the amoral blight from America forever!

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-23   11:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#10)

So.... You apparently think that:
1) The zero tolerance rule is a good rule;
2) The punishment dispense and proper and beneficial to society, and for the greater good.
There you go again, using the “apparently” word.

FYI: I don’t “apparently” think that …

Instead of always telling me what I “apparently” think….you could ask:

Do YOU think that:
1) The zero tolerance rule is a good rule?

But, nevermind….you said that you don’t ask direct questions.

So, I shall move n …

I continue to notice that you libertarians never ask a question to find out something, you too quickly “assume” that you already know the answer….and therefore automatically move to do an assumptive close on a person’s thought so you can tell them what they should and must think.

You weirdos never live in the real world, you can only survive in life through “abstractism” existing only in thought or idea but not having concrete realities and actual instances.

God help you …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo, Pinguinite, (#14)

After his SWAT team controlled the little, machete wielding little bitch, he would have set her on the parents to cut off their limbs and let them bleed to death to purge the amoral blight from America forever!

Nah, whatever corrective/disciplinary action the rule book the parents agreed to adhere to prescribes….is just fine with me.

If the rule is wrong or the corrective/disciplinary action is too severe, then the parents need to go to the PTSB meeting and get them changed.

But wait, that is not the way you Paultard libertarian assholes operate….you just say “fuck the rules” and don’t follow them if you don’t like them.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#15)

There you go again, using the “apparently” word.

Since it's all you've decided to offer on the topic, it's all we have to go by. If you felt your opinion of the zero tolerance rule might be sufficiently enlightening to the discussion, it's reasonable for us to think you'd post it without solicitation. As is, you instead post support for the school action and also condemnation of the parents and/or child, so the reasonable inference is that you consider that statement most significant contribution you could make.

For whatever reason, you apparently don't consider your opinion on the zero tolerance rule worth posting. That's fine with me, but I'm free to post whatever inference I receive as a result.

Instead of always telling me what I “apparently” think….

I'm actually telling everyone else what you apparently think. If it was just you and me on this forum, I'd say nothing.

If I owned the site, I'd ban you for being a complete waste of hot air.

Have a nice day.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   13:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#13)

No such think as a bad rule is his book. All rules should always be followed, no matter what.
There are bad rules in my book….and when I find a bad rule, I work to get changed.

What do you do when you encounter a bad rule?

I guess it's what it comes down to. He'd make a great Nazi.
Hell, man….I am GREAT at doing everything I have attempted in life or being whatever I wanted to be.

I have never wanted to be a Nazi though….I find the philosophy to closely associated with libertarianism in that they both used a warped and irrational thought process that only idiots believe in and adhere to.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#17)

I'm actually telling everyone else what you apparently think.

Do you think anyone is listening to you or they care…besides buckaroo and Deckard, of course?

If I owned the site, I'd ban you for being a complete waste of hot air.

Typical Paultard libertarian asshole goal….if you can’t control something, then destroy it.

Have a nice day.
Thank you, I always do….I have never had a bad one yet.

But then, of course, I am not a libertarian, so I really don’t know how a bad day feels….perhaps you can tell me sometime.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   13:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin, Pinguinite (#19)

If I owned the site, I'd ban you for being a complete waste of hot air.

Typical Paultard libertarian asshole goal….if you can’t control something, then destroy it.

What a colossal hypocrite!!

On another thread you were calling for Stone to ban "Paultards" and turning the site into an"echo chamber" for Trumpists.

#8. To: Deckard (#6)

You two jagoffs would like to see this site turned into an echo-chamber for Trump cultists only.

I'M IN ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23 09:54:54 ET

How do you live with such dishonesty?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-11-23   13:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#19)

Do you think anyone is listening to you or they care…besides buckaroo and Deckard, of course?

You are right that it's probably few, but I'm confident more appreciate me than do you.

It is possible bozoing you is the best thing to do. My time is too valuable to spend responding to your hot air talking points, along with your childish "tard" name calling. And it seems your even older than I am too.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   13:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite, tater (#21)

It is possible bozoing you is the best thing to do.

DO NOT BOZO TATER!

You will miss the YUKS on a daily basis.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-23   14:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Pinguinite (#21)

It is possible bozoing you is the best thing to do.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   14:30:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#20)

What a colossal hypocrite!!

Damn....I have been posting with you Paultard asshole libertarians too long and your bad shit may be starting to rub off on me.

I'll have to be careful and watch that ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   14:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Luis Miguel Hernandez, 33, was convicted for the fatal stabbing of his wife’s teenage lover with a butter knife.
Anthony Harrison Baxter killed a couple by twice plunging a butter knife into their hearts.
There are others such cases with a butter knife involved.

A "God Damned KNIFE" you call it? Quite a characterization for the item in question.
I’ll still call it that: A” “God Damned KNIFE.”
Are you also opposed to these kids having pencils and pens? What about those handheld pencil sharpeners?
Ah, FINALLY, a direct question to me, to which I will answer: Nope.

(I thought you said that you didn’t do direct questions….I guess I misunderstood you).

They [handheld pencil sharpeners] actually contain steel cutting blades for God's sake! The chairs the kids sit in could easily be used to club any 5 year old to death! Are there windows in the class rooms? Break one and you instantly have a nasty cutting blade! String from art class -- My God.. Some student could use that to strangle someone!
You show me where a pencil sharpener, school chair, broken school window glass or string has ever been used to kill someone like I showed you where a butter knife was used to kill and then we will discuss this…sounds fair, doesn’t it?
It's amazing any of us survived growing up in those war zones.
Never bothered me. But now that you mention it….that could be the reason some of you misfits turned out to be libertarians….ya think?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   15:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Pinguinite (#13)

They should just give teachers tazers, probably. But then the teachers might start attacking kids with it, so that's not a solution, right?

They do that and also permit those teachers to have firearms as well.

And did anybody stop to think that a kid these days doesn't need a butter knife to cut someone's throat? They just need strong fingernails and a couple of obliging accomplices to complete the act.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-23   15:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pinguinite (#12) (Edited)

Schools don’t just arbitrarily make rules against bringing a knife to school, they usually have a good reason.

Here is but one good reason:

The Utah teenager suspected of stabbing five high school classmates in a boys' locker room before turning the knife on himself Tuesday was a straight-A student with no record of disciplinary trouble, police said.

The 16-year-old suspect, a sophomore in his first year at Orem's Mountain View High School after being home-schooled, also stabbed himself in the neck. He was cornered Tuesday by school workers until a police officer assigned to the school got to the locker room and subdued him with a Taser shot.

Police said it appeared the victims weren't singled out for any reason other than being nearby when the attack started. School district spokeswoman Kimberly Bird said there were no indications the suspect was having problems or being bullied, she said.

Officials did not identify the suspect by name because of his age.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/16/utah-school-stabbing- leaves-5-injured-school-startled.html.

Hey, Pinguinite, this student didn’t use a handheld pencil sharpener which actually contains a steel cutting blade and he didn’t use some glass from a broken window in a class room….he used a “God Damned Knife.” This kid that brought the knife to school was only a few years older than the girl who brought the butter knife to school.

The school has a rule against bringing ANY knife to school....this kid didn't follow the rule, and look what happened.

BTW: The article didn’t specify if the knife used to stab the students was a butter knife of not …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   16:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#27) (Edited)

Well, Gatlin knives are not the only weapons of choice used these days in school. Sharp pencils can be a weapon. Your teeth can be used as a weapon. And so can your body be used as a weapon provided that you know how to fight to the very death.

But you know what is more dangerous than a butter knife, your teeth, or your body as weapons?

Ans: Your mind.

goldilucky  posted on  2016-11-23   16:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: goldilucky (#28)

Well, Gatlin knives are not the only weapons of choice used these days in school. Sharp pencils can be a weapon. Your teeth can be used as a weapon. And so can your body be used as a weapon provided that you know how to fight to the very death.

But you know what is more dangerous than a butter knife, your teeth, or your body as weapons?

Ans: Your mind.

Well, goldilucky, that's all well and good....your points.

But the discussion here is about knives.

Thank you ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   17:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Okay, here is a summary of my position on this.

I remember reading about a kid in school drawing the imagine of a gun on a piece of paper in the class room and the kid was suspended from school for that. I also remember two kids were playing cowboy in the school yard when one kid pointed a finger at the other with his index finger straight out and his thumb up so as to simulate a pistol. That kid was suspended also.

In both these cases, those were STUPID RULES and should never have been written in first place. I can lay blame on a school for instituting those rules….but I place MORE blame on the parents of the kids for letting those rules stand. I say the parents should carefully study the book of rules they are required to sign and abide by each year and when they discover something as ridiculous as the rules I have just pointed out, they should go to the PTSB meeting and SCREAM like HELL to get those changed….BEFORE HAND! I feel that when the parents are united….they will accomplish that.

On the other hand, I personally see good reason to have a rule prohibiting knives from being brought to school….I just linked you to one good reason and that was where a kid stabbed 5 classmates with a knife he brought to school. So I go for a rule against bringing knives to school.

When a rule against knives being brought to school in order to prevent more stabbings is established, the problem then becomes how to write the rule. Then do you start making some exceptions and say a butter knife like this on for which the girl was suspended …

… is okay because the steel blade is only 3 inches long?

If you start making exceptions, you can wind up with a multitude of pages on exceptions listed. Then when a kid brings a butter knife with a 4 inch blade to school and is suspended, the parents cry and say that a 3 inch blade was okay and “Johnny” shouldn’t be suspended because the knife he brought to school was ONLY one inch longer. This could go on and on …

If you go with drawing a knife or pointing a finger to simulate a pistol as being ridiculous….then I will stand up with you and “sing out” loudly against that.

But if yu go with bringing a 3 inch (estimated from the picture) steel bladed knife to school and tryinb to down play the situation by calling it a “kids toy butter knife used for training” then you will stand alone and I will stand against you.

If that makes me a “Hitler” as you say….then you can damned well throw your right arm up at a 45 degree angle with you palm facing down and start yelling Sieg Heil to me all day long.

I have considered: Why do we need rules? Why do we have rules? Why do we follow rules?

And after consideration, I feel the same as I did before. I confess, I am a “rules and law” person because I feel that rules and laws are important since they keep a society together and functioning. Rules and laws strive to maintain peace and safety among people and provide ways to resolve issues that do arise among individuals. Rules and laws are designed to keep people safe and free from harm, or they should be.

So, I will end this by saying the girl brought a three inch steel bladed knife to school that cut through a peach….therefore it was sharp. If the school had simply said: “Well, sweet child, this is okay this time….but don’t bring it again. Then if that becomes the policy, just to warn, the next youngster may decide to bring his favorite five inch hunting knife to school to show a friend thinking all the time all he will get is a warning from doing so.

I believe rules are rules and they should be well published. I also believe they should be reasonable. Furthermore, I also believe there should be enforcement of the rules, otherwise there should be no rules. On the other hand, I strongly believe if a rule is wrong….then the RULE MUST BE CHANGED. That is done every day, changing rules. It is not a hard thing to do.

You may lower your right arm down now from the 45 degree angle, if you understand and agree with what I said. If you don’t….then I simply don’t know what else to say. I feel that I am a reasonable person….and I don’t feel that it is unfair to have rules and to enforce those rules. Again, as long as they are reasonable rules….and if they are not, then get them changed.

If you still feel like you should place me on bozo….then just go ahead a do it.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   18:03:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, Gatlin (#22)

DO NOT BOZO TATER!

You will miss the YUKS on a daily basis.

No, after some more thought, I think it's the thing to do. At least for a while.

This is a throwing pearls before swine type thing. I have better things, productive things that I can do with my time, and having a stupid conversation, if it even qualifies as that, with Gatlin is not what I should be doing. Maybe he's got time to waste, but I don't.

It's apparent to me that Gatlin purposely responds to articles and others with the intent to inflame, not to offer any kind of constructive viewpoint. This has been demonstrated to my satisfaction on this thread where inferring his position on an article based on his early posts earned me an accusation of improper condemnation because he never explicitly expressed the opinion that I and everyone else inferred. Presumably it's somewhat different, but in spite of advocating he has been misrepresented, he nonetheless refused to voluntarily express that opinion without an engraved invitation because I guess he thinks he's special, or more likely, because he's wants to be an asshole. Which is fine if that's the case. To each his own.

But I don't want to reward it. It's much like feeding wildlife in a wilderness park. It's bad for them and you. As I said, I would ban Gatlin if this were my site. Site owners should certainly exercise the ban power cautiously when it comes to people they differ with politically. Having opposing viewpoints is valuable for any forum and personal bias can a proper decision hard. But that's not my burden. So... to bozo Gatlin goes.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-11-23   18:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#31)

That is the second time that Pinguinite has said he would ban me if this were his site. This time he pinged you as probably an inference that it is an action you should take.

As I have said many times, this is your site and I am here only at your pleasure. Anytime I do something you deem wrong, then of course you have the right to ban me….and that is the way it should be. It is the RULE, albeit an inferred one….IT IS STILL THE RULE.

I challenged Pinguinite on the issue of the girl bring the knife to school. And the candy-ass weakling got all upset because of the way I presented my position, or more so, the way I would not let him defend a position he wrongly held. If that pissed him off, as it obviously did….then that’s fine with me. If he doesn’t care to read my posts and respond to me….that’s also fine with me.

But I will never let anyone tell me WHAT TO THINK. I carefully consider my position and opinion and before I post it. I shoot all the holes in my argument that I can find in advance of posting it. Therefore, I seldom….if ever….change my position on anything.

I will continue to express my positions STRONGLY and if you find that is disrupting your forum, as Pinguinite has tried to point out to you….then I ask you to say so now. At which time I will immediately depart your forum or you can ban me.

But no candy assed weakling is going to stamp his feet, roll around on the floor and bawl about the way I argue against him and expect me to relent….for I will not. I WILL STAND MY GROUND.

You may respond to this post, if you so choose. If you do no choose to do so, I will consider that to be an okay for me to continue to post in the method I have been doing, and have at these self righteous assholes who always think they are right about everything and try to shove their philosophies and agendas down my throat.

Respectfully,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   19:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#5)

Common sense should prevail in instances like this one.

Ready. Fire! Aim.

The school has no discretion. It is district policy coming from on high.

Zero-tolerance policies did not sprout from nowhere. Litigious parents tend to sue whenever their precious snowflake gets any form of punishment. Zero-tolerance was the result. There is no interpretation of the rule whatever to be made. There is no discretion afforded in enforcement. Do not bring a knife to school. Zero tolerance rules are made for nonsensical parents who exercise no common sense.

http://www.local10.com/education/girl-suspended-from-middle-school-for-cutting-peach-with-child-butter-knife

A Broward County school district spokeswoman declined to offer specifics about the incident because of "student privacy," but said, "The school followed district policy regarding this incident and continues to work with the student and parents involved. It is the district's priority to maintain safe and secure campuses for students and staff at all times."

The Pembroke Pines Police Department said it has turned over their investigation to the State Attorney's Office.

It's unclear whether prosecutors will file charges, but the family's attorney said the school board isn't doing its job in this case.

"The school board has abused its discretion to act in this case," Larry Meltzer said. "It is tragic that a school that this little girl loves sees fit to prosecute and suspend her -- the epitome of a model and honor roll student -- for using a child-proof utensil that could never be construed in any form as a weapon in order to share part of her lunch with a fellow classmate.

http://www.guns.com/2016/11/18/zero-tolerance-weapons-policies-are-absurd-leave-no-room-for-explanation/

The girl received a suspension for six days as a result of the system’s weapons policy.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-11-23   19:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#4) (Edited)

“Breaking Rules has Consequences!”

So does manufacturing a culture full of Useful Idiot poodles:

VxH  posted on  2016-11-23   19:59:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard, nolu chan, A K A Stone (#33) (Edited)

A straight-A Utah high school student brouht a knife to school then stabbed five boys in the school's locker room before stabbing himself and the bleeding heart libertarian assholes on LF post nothing about it and neither do they make a comment after I post it.

Yet a girl brings this 3-inch steel blade knife to school and the bleeding heart libertarian assholes get their panties all wadded up between their crotch and start moaning and crying trying to pass it off as a teeny-tiny “wittle” butter knife a very small infant uses to learn how to eat.

Look at the picture. There is nothing there to garner the description as a “butter knife.” That descriptive term was coined by the author to downplay the potential danger of the knife. Look at the picture and you will see a STANDARD stainless steel knife, fork and spoon set with, judging by the length of the handle in proportion, a blade length of at least 3 inches or more.

The school the girl attends has a written police that NO KNIVES OF ANY KIND will be brought to school. The school where the boy who stabbed 5 students also has a written policy that no knives of any kind will be brought to school Don’t you think the parents of the 5 stabbed students wish someone had discovered the boy with the knife before the stabbings and suspended him for six days?

But the bleeding heart libertarian assholes may contend that the young girl had no intention of stabbing anyone. Well they could have said that about the young kid that did the stabbing….until he did the stabbing.

It is as nolu chan posted:

Zero-tolerance policies did not sprout from nowhere. Litigious parents tend to sue whenever their precious snowflake gets any form of punishment. Zero- tolerance was the result. There is no interpretation of the rule whatever to be made. There is no discretion afforded in enforcement. Do not bring a knife to school [ANY KNIFE[. Zero tolerance rules are made for nonsensical parents who exercise no common sense.
You Paultard libertarian assholes can continue to whimper, cry and attempt to discredit me as long as you want to….but it will do me no harm and I will not change my point of view. I will also continue to defend my position and say that a steel bladed knife should not be in a student's hand at school. You don’t believe that….then ask the parents of the 5 students who were stabbed to explain "why" to you.

Zero tolerance is there for a reason in this case. The reason has been demonstrated by the stabbing of 5 students.

Now suck it up, you Paultard libertarian assholes and face reality….don’t be swayed by some tear-jerking liberal biased agenda driven article yet another time.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   21:02:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#5)

Take your "zero tolerance" nonsense and stick it up your ass.

Take your anything goes bullshit and jam that up your Stinky Pete hole. If you want everyone to live by your standards, become this school districts superintendent... or shut the fuck up.

If a school district outside of where you live decides to be zero tolerant, then it's non of your business. Asshole.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-11-23   21:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Gatlin, hondo68, pinguinite, A K A Stone (#32)

That is the second time that Pinguinite has said he would ban me if this were his site.

I'll second that emotion, you tard.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-11-23   21:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Fred Mertz (#37)

That is the second time that Pinguinite has said he would ban me if this were his site.

I'll second that emotion, you tard.

Nothing you ever have to say counts for SHIT, Ethel....So, I don't GAF!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   22:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#38)

Clean up the language, tater peeler.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-11-23   22:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Fred Mertz (#39) (Edited)

Clean up the language, tater peeler.

No!

You DON'T tell ME what to do!

If you don't like it....don't read it!

Now...BUTT out....ASSHOLE!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-23   22:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#31)

So... to bozo Gatlin goes.

I'm doing the same right after I post this.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-11-23   22:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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