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New Discovery! 2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years 2024 and beyond in prophecy Questions Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Watching The Cops See other Watching The Cops Articles Title: Confederate flag-flying officer suspended Source: Traverse City Record-Eagle URL Source: http://www.record-eagle.com/news/lo ... a9-5502-8ebb-e90cc1d696d3.html Published: Nov 14, 2016 Author: CAROL THOMPSON & MATT TROUTMAN Post Date: 2016-11-14 10:53:56 by Willie Green Keywords: None Views: 7871 Comments: 21 Police chief to community: 'I hear you' TRAVERSE CITY — An outpouring of support brought a tear to Marshall Collins Jr.'s eye after Traverse City residents learned a city police officer displayed a Confederate flag at a political rally. Collins said he hasn't yet heard from Traverse City police officials following his run-in with city police Officer Michael Peters during a Nov. 11 "Love Trumps Hate" rally. Peters drove a pickup truck decorated with a Confederate flag to the rally at the Open Space, parked and drank a beer. The flag drew a crowd, including Collins, who confronted Peters over what Collins considers a symbol of hate. Collins later learned Peters works in law enforcement. "If you’re a role model to the community you do that on and off duty," Collins said. Traverse City police Chief Jeff O'Brien on Sunday announced he suspended Peters. "He is not working as a police officer," said Traverse City Police Chief Jeff O'Brien. "I do not condone his actions." Peters' behavior was intimidating and not a reflection of the department's mission, O'Brien said. O'Brien estimated about 100 people emailed him calling for Peters' termination from the department. He and department leaders launched an internal investigation into whether Peters' actions violated laws or the department's code of conduct. O'Brien said any evidence of illegal behavior will be sent to Grand Traverse County prosecutors. Peters' union contract guarantees his pay during suspension and the investigation, O'Brien said. He penned a Facebook post that announced Peters' suspension and addressed it to Traverse City citizens. "I hear you!" he wrote. "Let me assure you that we hold our officers to a higher standard and the flag incident will be fully investigated." O'Brien said he has not yet spoken with Peters, but will meet with him Monday at 8 a.m.  "We will get through this," O'Brien said. "The community will get through this." Collins, who is black, said Peters' suspension is warranted. He said he received many "very, very positive" messages of support from the community. "I’m proud to be part of this community," he said. Peters couldn't be reached for comment. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 9. #1. To: Willie Green (#0) Freedom of speech and association lose again. Why is it that we can demonize certain historical relics that are misunderstood at best but we can't prosecute a criminal whose emailed evidence is splashed all over the internet? TheFireBert  posted on  2016-11-14   11:22:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: TheFireBert (#1) (Edited) Freedom of speech and association lose again. Federalism. Traverse City is way, way up in Northern Michigan. It's not really a "city", more of a town, the biggest one near my childhood stomping grounds, 21 miles away. The Republican Party - the original one, the anti-slavery, abolitionist party that Abraham Lincoln came later to head - was founded in Jackson, Michigan in 1845. Slavery was never permitted in Michigan territory, not ever. All of the native Indians of the land, the Potawotamie, Ottawa and Chippewa are still there, and they are the tribes of one Indian Nation - the Three Fires People. They were one big Indian nation, all related, and they didn't enslave each other. The French, who came next and converted them to Catholicism and intermarried them, were fur trappers, traders and priests. They never practiced slavery in that territory. The British came next, very briefly, but the Indians rose up and pretty much massacred them, so the territory that passed into US hands at the end of the Revolution was a place filled with Indians and French people. Under the Articles of Confederation, Michigan was organized as part of the "Northwest Territories", and in the Northwest Ordinance of 1786, slavery was permanently banned from ever being introduced in Michigan Territory. So, at no point in its history was there ever slavery in that land. Slavery is contrary to the air and water of Michigan, particularly Northern Michigan, where the only allowance the forest makes to civilization is to let the pines and maples be cleared away for cherry trees. Even the agriculture up there is tree-based - as close to a woods as you can get without it being a woods. This is the land, Michigan, that produced (along with Wisconsin) the Iron Brigade, First Brigade, First Division, First Corps - that stopped the Confederates on day one of Gettysburg, and that was the brigade that had the highest casualties of any on either side in the Civil War. From Second Bull Run to Appomattox Courthouse, the Iron Brigade, those Midwesterners from Michigan, Wisconsin, and Indiana (the states that gave the White House to Trump, and gave Trump our new Vice President) were in every major battle. Northern Michigan is not a land where the Confederate Flag has ANY PLACE. When I grew up, right there at Traverse City, the Confederate Flag was never seen. What it MEANT to us was: slavery, rebellion, the Civil War, oppression - THE ENEMY. Down South, there is a proud tradition of that flag. In Traverse City, Michigan, the Confederate Battle Flag is the same thing as flying a swastika. Northern Michigan people are not Confederates. The Confederates are the polar opposite, the ANTITHESIS of those people. Slavery is not in the water or the air or the land of Traverse City, and never has been since its first settlement by the Ottawa. And that's what that flag symbolizes to people up there: slavery. It's an obnoxious, offensive symbol. People up there react badly to that flag. Always have. All the way back to my childhood. That is the flag of the enemy. So, some cop drives around with a swastika flag - no different - and it rightly pisses the locals off. Nobody with that sort of attitude has any business policing our people up there in Northern Michigan. The soil cannot bear that. Now, to a Southerner, the Stars and Bars - that's what people in TRAVERSE CITY would call that Flag, and they DO NOT CARE that Southerners say it's not called that - is nothing like the swastika. But there in the woods of Northern Michigan, it's a symbol of slavery and rebellion, the enemy flag. This is federalism. It's WHY we don't have one-size-fits-all. Michigan fought in the Civil War too, just like Alabama and Virginia did. Michigan lost its sons in that war just like Alabama and Virginia did. The Iron Brigade, Michigan's pride, lost MORE of its sons than any Southern brigade did. The abolitionist Republicans BEGAN on that cold northern soil. People in Michigan are not Southerners. They have a completely different view of what that war and that symbol were all about. And there's no revisionist history going on - that flag, and the ideas behind it, never, ever had a place in Northern Michigan. That the flag was displayed, the simple fact that some asshole decided to drive around with it, got attention. In Northern Michigan, that means that the guy is announcing he's a racist. That's what that flag means up there, and always did. So they came to talk to him about it, to give him a hard time about it. That flag does not belong on Michigan soil. Northern Michigan is not the South. We FOUGHT that flag, and everything that flag stood for. You are offending us by flying that flag HERE, not because we're liberals, but for the same reason that flag was our enemy in 1861: rebellion, slavery, oppression, plantations - everything foreign to our Northern land. That a COP flew it - well, we don't want people with a gun policing us with those attitudes. This is not the South. We do not permit big-bellied sheriffs to drive around and intimidate people. The cops are not a paramilitary force occupying us, they are civil servants we put in place to serve us, and NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. They don't have to be heroes up there in our cold northern woods, because we're not shooting each other up there. Anybody who wants to unfurl a Confederate Flag in Traverse City does not belong there. And any COP who does that has entirely the wrong attitudes about everything to be on our police force. That's why we have federalism. The US is vast and diverse. You can find what you want and live how you want in great spaces of this land. We have our different cultures. Flamboyant gays are welcome in San Francisco. Not so much in Selma, Alabama. Oh, sure, they can LIVE there, but they shouldn't expect to be hired by the locals to do the people's business. Likewise, some loudmouth who despises Southerners and their accents does not belong on the police force in Nashville. And a guy who has issues such that he feels the need to proudly display the Stars and Bars in Traverse City, Michigan really is not the sort who is going to be acceptable to be policing those far northern people in that far northern land. It's a symbol of slavery, and Northern Michigan is cold and wild and free. Always has been. Always will be. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-11-14   11:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Vicomte13 (#2) What Northern amnesia can't block out: Slaves helped build Detroit. If you grew up in Michigan, your history books showed you images of slavery: black men and women picking cotton in the South. Michigan, we learned, was a very important part of the Underground Railroad, helping African-Americans across the border to freedom in Canada. But what we weren’t taught was this: Slavery helped build Detroit. Some of the best-known names used for roads, counties, cities and schools around Southeast Michigan belong to old families who owned slaves. Bill McGraw dug into "Detroit's Big Bad Secret" for Deadline Detroit. “It’s always (a) surprise, because even well-informed, well-educated people never happened to learn that slavery existed in Detroit for 120 years.” McGraw says it was a well-established system in Detroit; slavery preceded the arrival of the French. The number of slaves in Detroit was considerably smaller than in the South, McGraw says. “The biggest slave owner in Detroit had 26 slaves, where Thomas Jefferson had 600 slaves during his lifetime.” McGraw there were also slaves in New York City and Montreal, among other cities. He says it's common to find a collective amnesia of slave ownership in the North. http://michiganradio.org/post/what-northern-amnesia-cant-block-out- slaves-helped-build-detroit. Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-14   12:11:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Gatlin (#3) McGraw says it was a well-established system in Detroit; slavery preceded the arrival of the French. Slavery preceded the arrival of the French, eh? 120 years, eh? Well, the problem with that is the French were the first to arrive in Detroit. It was a fishing camp of Potawotamie before that. Nobody was owning slaves in the Indian tribes, and there isn't any written history of them before the French. Second, Detroit was founded in 1701, by the French. In 1786 the Northwest Ordinance organized it as American territory, and prohibited slavery there. So, there's a span of 85 years, maximum, during which slavery could have existed there on the frontier, not anywhere close to the 120 years stated in the article. And actually, slavery DIDN'T exist in Detroit. There were, of course, people passing through with their slaves from time to time, to be sure - America was a slave country. But under US rule Michigan was ALWAYS freesoil, and under French rule it was mostly a wilderness full of Indians and fur trappers. If one wants to stretch and call indentured servants to the French governors or prisoners slaves, one can find slavery in Detroit. But that's it. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-11-14   14:08:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 9.         There are no replies to Comment # 9. End Trace Mode for Comment # 9. 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