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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Watching The Cops See other Watching The Cops Articles Title: Confederate flag-flying officer suspended Source: Traverse City Record-Eagle URL Source: http://www.record-eagle.com/news/lo ... a9-5502-8ebb-e90cc1d696d3.html Published: Nov 14, 2016 Author: CAROL THOMPSON & MATT TROUTMAN Post Date: 2016-11-14 10:53:56 by Willie Green Keywords: None Views: 8713 Comments: 21 Police chief to community: 'I hear you' TRAVERSE CITY — An outpouring of support brought a tear to Marshall Collins Jr.'s eye after Traverse City residents learned a city police officer displayed a Confederate flag at a political rally. Collins said he hasn't yet heard from Traverse City police officials following his run-in with city police Officer Michael Peters during a Nov. 11 "Love Trumps Hate" rally. Peters drove a pickup truck decorated with a Confederate flag to the rally at the Open Space, parked and drank a beer. The flag drew a crowd, including Collins, who confronted Peters over what Collins considers a symbol of hate. Collins later learned Peters works in law enforcement. "If you’re a role model to the community you do that on and off duty," Collins said. Traverse City police Chief Jeff O'Brien on Sunday announced he suspended Peters. "He is not working as a police officer," said Traverse City Police Chief Jeff O'Brien. "I do not condone his actions." Peters' behavior was intimidating and not a reflection of the department's mission, O'Brien said. O'Brien estimated about 100 people emailed him calling for Peters' termination from the department. He and department leaders launched an internal investigation into whether Peters' actions violated laws or the department's code of conduct. O'Brien said any evidence of illegal behavior will be sent to Grand Traverse County prosecutors. Peters' union contract guarantees his pay during suspension and the investigation, O'Brien said. He penned a Facebook post that announced Peters' suspension and addressed it to Traverse City citizens. "I hear you!" he wrote. "Let me assure you that we hold our officers to a higher standard and the flag incident will be fully investigated." O'Brien said he has not yet spoken with Peters, but will meet with him Monday at 8 a.m.  "We will get through this," O'Brien said. "The community will get through this." Collins, who is black, said Peters' suspension is warranted. He said he received many "very, very positive" messages of support from the community. "I’m proud to be part of this community," he said. Peters couldn't be reached for comment. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 16. #1. To: Willie Green (#0) Freedom of speech and association lose again. Why is it that we can demonize certain historical relics that are misunderstood at best but we can't prosecute a criminal whose emailed evidence is splashed all over the internet? TheFireBert  posted on  2016-11-14   11:22:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: TheFireBert (#1) (Edited) Freedom of speech and association lose again. Federalism. Traverse City is way, way up in Northern Michigan. It's not really a "city", more of a town, the biggest one near my childhood stomping grounds, 21 miles away. The Republican Party - the original one, the anti-slavery, abolitionist party that Abraham Lincoln came later to head - was founded in Jackson, Michigan in 1845. Slavery was never permitted in Michigan territory, not ever. All of the native Indians of the land, the Potawotamie, Ottawa and Chippewa are still there, and they are the tribes of one Indian Nation - the Three Fires People. They were one big Indian nation, all related, and they didn't enslave each other. The French, who came next and converted them to Catholicism and intermarried them, were fur trappers, traders and priests. They never practiced slavery in that territory. The British came next, very briefly, but the Indians rose up and pretty much massacred them, so the territory that passed into US hands at the end of the Revolution was a place filled with Indians and French people. Under the Articles of Confederation, Michigan was organized as part of the "Northwest Territories", and in the Northwest Ordinance of 1786, slavery was permanently banned from ever being introduced in Michigan Territory. So, at no point in its history was there ever slavery in that land. Slavery is contrary to the air and water of Michigan, particularly Northern Michigan, where the only allowance the forest makes to civilization is to let the pines and maples be cleared away for cherry trees. Even the agriculture up there is tree-based - as close to a woods as you can get without it being a woods. This is the land, Michigan, that produced (along with Wisconsin) the Iron Brigade, First Brigade, First Division, First Corps - that stopped the Confederates on day one of Gettysburg, and that was the brigade that had the highest casualties of any on either side in the Civil War. From Second Bull Run to Appomattox Courthouse, the Iron Brigade, those Midwesterners from Michigan, Wisconsin, and Indiana (the states that gave the White House to Trump, and gave Trump our new Vice President) were in every major battle. Northern Michigan is not a land where the Confederate Flag has ANY PLACE. When I grew up, right there at Traverse City, the Confederate Flag was never seen. What it MEANT to us was: slavery, rebellion, the Civil War, oppression - THE ENEMY. Down South, there is a proud tradition of that flag. In Traverse City, Michigan, the Confederate Battle Flag is the same thing as flying a swastika. Northern Michigan people are not Confederates. The Confederates are the polar opposite, the ANTITHESIS of those people. Slavery is not in the water or the air or the land of Traverse City, and never has been since its first settlement by the Ottawa. And that's what that flag symbolizes to people up there: slavery. It's an obnoxious, offensive symbol. People up there react badly to that flag. Always have. All the way back to my childhood. That is the flag of the enemy. So, some cop drives around with a swastika flag - no different - and it rightly pisses the locals off. Nobody with that sort of attitude has any business policing our people up there in Northern Michigan. The soil cannot bear that. Now, to a Southerner, the Stars and Bars - that's what people in TRAVERSE CITY would call that Flag, and they DO NOT CARE that Southerners say it's not called that - is nothing like the swastika. But there in the woods of Northern Michigan, it's a symbol of slavery and rebellion, the enemy flag. This is federalism. It's WHY we don't have one-size-fits-all. Michigan fought in the Civil War too, just like Alabama and Virginia did. Michigan lost its sons in that war just like Alabama and Virginia did. The Iron Brigade, Michigan's pride, lost MORE of its sons than any Southern brigade did. The abolitionist Republicans BEGAN on that cold northern soil. People in Michigan are not Southerners. They have a completely different view of what that war and that symbol were all about. And there's no revisionist history going on - that flag, and the ideas behind it, never, ever had a place in Northern Michigan. That the flag was displayed, the simple fact that some asshole decided to drive around with it, got attention. In Northern Michigan, that means that the guy is announcing he's a racist. That's what that flag means up there, and always did. So they came to talk to him about it, to give him a hard time about it. That flag does not belong on Michigan soil. Northern Michigan is not the South. We FOUGHT that flag, and everything that flag stood for. You are offending us by flying that flag HERE, not because we're liberals, but for the same reason that flag was our enemy in 1861: rebellion, slavery, oppression, plantations - everything foreign to our Northern land. That a COP flew it - well, we don't want people with a gun policing us with those attitudes. This is not the South. We do not permit big-bellied sheriffs to drive around and intimidate people. The cops are not a paramilitary force occupying us, they are civil servants we put in place to serve us, and NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. They don't have to be heroes up there in our cold northern woods, because we're not shooting each other up there. Anybody who wants to unfurl a Confederate Flag in Traverse City does not belong there. And any COP who does that has entirely the wrong attitudes about everything to be on our police force. That's why we have federalism. The US is vast and diverse. You can find what you want and live how you want in great spaces of this land. We have our different cultures. Flamboyant gays are welcome in San Francisco. Not so much in Selma, Alabama. Oh, sure, they can LIVE there, but they shouldn't expect to be hired by the locals to do the people's business. Likewise, some loudmouth who despises Southerners and their accents does not belong on the police force in Nashville. And a guy who has issues such that he feels the need to proudly display the Stars and Bars in Traverse City, Michigan really is not the sort who is going to be acceptable to be policing those far northern people in that far northern land. It's a symbol of slavery, and Northern Michigan is cold and wild and free. Always has been. Always will be. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-11-14   11:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Vicomte13 (#2) (Edited) Down South, there is a proud tradition of that flag. Because very few Southerners understand the South as it actually existed. They listen to a band play Dixie and their chests puff out to fantasies about a life as Rhett Butlers and Scarlett O'Haras and genteel cotilleans. That life never existed except for an extremely small proportion of the Southern people. The South represented an influx of European feudalism under which a few people lived as lords in great plantation houses and the rest lived as vassels. The average White man held a social position inferior to the average black slave. Half the White men refused to go into the Southern army because they did't believe in the Southern cause. A black slave was valuable and brought twelve to fiteen hundred dollars at Monsantos slave auction. An average white mans life wasn't worth anything to anybody. rlk  posted on  2016-11-14   17:30:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: rlk (#15) Yes, that is a pretty good summary, really. Still, the Southerners are proud, and I say let them be so. Texans are proud. New Yorkers are proud. Even those Michiganders up there in the cold, dark tree-tangled North are very proud people. They're all proud of different things. It annoys me when people in New York get bent out of shape over folks down in Alabama having the Confederate Flag on their state flag, or on some monument. What business is it of New Yorkers? But likewise, being one of those gnomes of the Northwoods, I understand why, way up there, a Confederate Flag is really a very provocative thing. It screams "I am a racist against blacks, and I'm not afraid to announce it!" It's the equivalent of gays walking into a Christian bakery and demanding that the Christians bake them a wedding cake. It says, to those far Northern people: "I am a racist against blacks, and a rebel, and I can fly the enemy flag here in your home because I've got freedom of speech!" Well, yeah, that's true - he CAN fly that flag, Traverse City isn't the South. And it isn't the rust belt either. Nobody's going to burn a cross in his lawn, beat him up, key his car, anything like this. They're going to do what they did. Walk up and talk to him and tell him they don't like that flag because of all it stands for, to them. Now, he may say it doesn't mean that to him, but it DOES mean all those things to THEM. It's a really radical and obnoxious symbol in the far North, the symbol of everything we're not and never were. But, it's a free country so if he's gotta parade his damned flag around, well, by all means. Fine. But he's a COP. Now, THAT'S different. He carries a gun and gets to enforce law on people, our people. Somebody with those attitudes, and the attitude to drag that rag through the streets of a far Northern town...maybe he need to go be a cop in Tennessee or somewhere where that flag doesn't mean what it means to us. As a cop, you're the most visible face of the government. We don't like rebels. We don't like what old Dixie was. We don't like what that flag stands for in our minds: rebellion, bloodshed, assassination of a great President, slavery, brutality, ignorance, corruption and pellagra. We don't like it, and we certainly don't want one of our uniformed people having those hotheaded Southern ideals in his head walking around our streets. We're not like that, and we don't like it. We'll tolerate regular folks doing it - though they'll be shunned and ostracized - but we're not going to tolerate a government official doing it. Not here. This is a happy land of cherries and lakes and beaches and fudge. We're happy we live here - it's God's country - and we like to share it with tourists. That's how we live well. Having some bigot parade his southern symbol through the streets is not what we are, or ever were. It's bad for business. And having a COP do it - well, that doesn't work for us. There's a whole region of the country that will accept him with open arms. But not here. Not that. No. It doesn't belong here. The Stars and Bars do not belong in God's Country. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-11-14   19:01:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 16.         There are no replies to Comment # 16. End Trace Mode for Comment # 16. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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