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Title: Can Hillary Clinton still win? Unlikely, but possible
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WKRN.com
URL Source: http://wkrn.com/2016/11/13/can-hill ... ill-win-unlikely-but-possible/
Published: Nov 13, 2016
Author: staff
Post Date: 2016-11-13 13:15:48 by buckeroo
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Views: 30065
Comments: 84
There’s a petition online with over 3.5 million signatures as of Saturday evening, asking electors of the electoral college to cast their votes for Clinton instead of Donald Trump. The petition’s creator Elijah Berg writes: “If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine – which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!” There is another petition online with about 1,000 signatures as of Saturday evening, urging the electoral college to confirm Trump as the president. The petition’s creator writes: “The Electoral system is the system that allows every state to make their vote heard. Without it; the populous dense, liberal, inner cities would decide the election every year. That’s not democracy, that’s a farce.” The votes have been counted here in Ohio and Trump is the winner. It’s been a bitter pill for some to swallow and that’s why millions are urging state electors to change their minds when they meet in December to cast their votes. But, an expert from the Ohio State University says don’t hold your breath. Political science professor emeritus Paul Beck says while electors can choose to ignore how their state voted and instead vote for Clinton, it is very unlikely that they would. He says even if one or two electors went “rogue” it wouldn’t be enough to change the results. “Could one or two of them not vote for Trump? I think that’s always possible,” he says. “I think it’s not likely and they would suffer the consequences of that, particularly if it changed the outcome of the election.” Beck says electors will meet in their state capitols on December 19th and cast their votes. Right now, Trump is the projected winner with 290 electoral votes and Clinton with 228. He says electors are not compelled to pick a particular candidate, but they are carefully chosen by the political parties and are usually already committed to voting a certain way. “Every once in a while, maybe in a state like Ohio where some of the party leadership was not supporting Trump there could be somebody that goes rogue, but I really doubt that is going to happen and you don’t want to be in a position that you’re changing the result of an election by your single vote,” he says. However, Beck says there is still a legitimate question on why the electoral college is the determining institution for the election rather than the popular vote. “I don’t expect it to change in the future. It would require individual states that have small numbers of electoral votes to be able to go to the popular vote and they’re not going to want to do that. It dilutes the kind of influence that they have,” he says. “I think it is antiquated. It was a deal that was cut back in 1787. It was the price among other deals or compromises. It was the price we paid for our Constitution. On the other hand, changing it is difficult.” For now, Beck says his best advice is to accept that the contest is over and watch for the announcement of cabinet positions. “We need to deal with that,” he says. “There will be a new administration in Washington. We need to keep an eye, of course, on what they do.” Registered voters cast their votes for President and Vice President. By doing so, they also help choose the electors who will represent their state in the Electoral College. Mid-November through December 19, 2016 After the presidential election, the governor of your state prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your state are certified, the governor sends one of the Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist. Certificates of Ascertainment should be sent to the Archivist no later than the meeting of the electors in December. However, federal law sets no penalty for missing the deadline. The remaining six Certificates of Ascertainment are held for use at the meeting of the Electors in December. December 13, 2016 States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the Electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress. Decisions by states’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day. December 19, 2016 The Electors meet in their state and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six “Certificates of Vote,” which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment. The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote. These are distributed immediately as follows: one set to the President of the Senate (the Vice President) for the official count of the electoral votes in January; two packages to the Secretary of State in the state where the electors met—one is an archival set that becomes part of the public record of the Secretary of State's office and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes; two packages to the Archivist—one is an archival set that becomes part of the permanent collection at the National Archives and Records Administration and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes; and one set to the presiding judge in the district where the Electors met—this is also a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes. December 28, 2016 Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. States face no legal penalty for failure to comply. If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals. On or Before January 3, 2017 The Archivist and/or representatives from the Office of the Federal Register meet with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House in late December or early January. This is, in part, a ceremonial occasion. Informal meetings may take place earlier. January 6, 2017 The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. Congress may pass a law to change this date. The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States. If a State submits conflicting sets of electoral votes to Congress, the two Houses acting concurrently may accept or reject the votes. If they do not concur, the votes of the electors certified by the Governor of the State on the Certificate of Ascertainment would be counted in Congress. If no Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution provides for the House of Representatives to decide the Presidential election. If necessary the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each state having one vote. If no Vice Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment provides for the Senate to elect the Vice President. If necessary, the Senate would elect the Vice President by majority vote, choosing from the two candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each Senator having one vote. If any objections to the Electoral College vote are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one member of the House and one Senator. If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider their merits under procedures set out in federal law. January 20, 2017 at Noon—Inauguration Day The President-elect takes the Oath of Office and becomes the President of the United States.COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) – Is there still a chance Hillary Clinton could win the presidency? Technically, yes.
I recommend that you fine folks re-cork your bottles of champaigne. Here are the key dates: November 8, 2016—Election Day
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#20. To: Gatlin (#19)
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You deliver weak unimportant supporting dialogue. Soros likes you; he loves you to forget about internal strife in the form of the MSM still maintaining riots all around the nation to include what you see NOW. You really think that electors aren't persuaded about massive and violent influences on their own votes? If so, you are a loser, suckin' yukon's ass.
Zing!
Bucky, that’s as “funny as shit” coming from you….weak dialogue, LMAO. You even bringing up Faithless Electors as a possible way to keep Trump from assuming office is the ULTIMATE WEAKNESS. Give it up….YOU LOST….asshole!
Yea, Bucky, I really think there will not be enough Faithless Electors to throw the election to Hillary. I also really think you are stupid enough to believe it can happen. Give it up….YOU LOST….asshole!
So, you are akin to this misfit lyin' guy/gal, called "interpreter" that sez he/she has a crystal ball on LF. Way too much phun for me, pal.
How do you measure your statement? Because you say so?
Way too much phun for me, pal. "You deliver weak unimportant supporting dialogue." Yea, loads of fun!!!
How do you measure your statement? Because you say so? That's the BEST way.
I guarantee, that in 2017, I am going to show you why pensioners on a $300 bucks a month guaranteed income, are just useless grifters that were/are worthless to ANYONE muchless to the USA. All you ever accomplished in life was skin a tater, tater.
Nope, not a potato skinner….but:
The only BEST WAY you know is gettin' your jollies off with yukon.
You ae so full of shit....you cannot "guarantee" anything.
... is kicking your ass on LF. And I do enjoy doing that ...
ROTFL ... you are reflecting on your butt buddy, "yukon." You claimed I stole his "password" which was nothing less than you creating a silly rumour.
LOL
I would hope so,anyhow. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I would almost be willing to bet 99 percent of them actually think America is Democracy. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
There is a upside down ticket if I ever heard of one. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Enough to get JFK the Dim nomination. Ok,they were delegates and not Electors,but the principle is the same. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Enough to get JFK the Dim nomination. During the Democratic Convention in 1960 Kennedy was nominated on the first ballot, he overwhelmed Johnson by 806 to 409. I don’t understand what you mean when you say enough delegates to the Dim convention changed their votes to get JFK the Dim nomination?
Post your hopes and libtard dreams ELSEWHERE, suckhole. She's TOAST. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You must be one DUMB motherfucker to make assumptions like that.
She's TOAST. You must be one DUMB motherfucker to make assumptions like that. You, of all people, are calling someone a dumb motherfucker when you are calling specific directions...."assumptions?" ROTFLMAO ...
If you STUPID fucks think that TRUMP will fix things OR do things to your liking, you are just smokin' the crackpipe.
He's already done more things BEFORE he became president than O'bunghole has done in 8 years as president, he's feeding the cops that are working the protests. It's about time we have a president that will support LE... unlike Obozo and you filthy fucking PAULTARDs.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
BIG fuckin' deal. Once he saddles up and is in office, he will change like all Presidents before him. He will become absorbed into the bureacracy forever, speaking for meaningless, do-nothing, phantastick bobble-heads. He won't lead us anywhere but off the cliff.
He has ALREADY started....the first two people he selected to work for him in the WH has my FULL approval!
And?
You cannot face reality....Trump has already started. The wheels of change for improvement were set into motion the day he announced his candicacy.
And there will be more.
You finally got something right....Trump's presidency is A BIG FUCKIN' DEAL!
Get off the crackpipe NOW! Just because Trump sez "dis or dat" doesn't mean anything. Just because Trump shifts a few people into his cabinet also, doesn't mean anything. You have to quit taking your political pills and quit smokin' the crackpipe.
Trump is on a roll....get outta the way or your drug savaged body will get run over.
Trump can't perform 90% of his campaign promises. You didn't just take his "pill," you snorted it.
Your prognostications have an extremely bad record of being proben wrong....no reason to believe yours will not be wrong againthis time.
America has been on a downhill slope since WW2. That isn't a "prognostication" it is simply examining history. Trump's, "Make America GREAT again" slogan can only work if America goes into WW3, similar to WW2 which was the zenith of American wealth and greatness. The model can not be changed.
He'd have to pay off 38 electors. What are the odds he could do that without being caught and sentenced to prison?
You tell me. What were the odds that a US Secretary of State could sell her position to foreign governments while collecting millions of dollars for her, "foundation?"
This is true.
She did it and got away with it.
I don't think she did. The FBI has a team in Little Rock, Arkansas investigating her "foundation" right now. Strangely, the team was initiated on November 8th, 2016 .... otherwise known as "election day."
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#21. To: randge (#13)
You first, buckie.
#22. To: buckeroo (#20)
You deliver weak unimportant supporting dialogue.
#23. To: buckeroo (#20)
(Edited)
You really think that electors aren't persuaded about massive and violent influences on their own votes?
#24. To: Gatlin, interpreter (#22)
#25. To: Gatlin (#23)
YOU LOST
#26. To: buckeroo (#24)
So, you are akin to this misfit lyin' guy/gal, called "interpreter" that sez he/she has a crystal ball on LF.
#27. To: buckeroo (#25)
YOU LOST
#28. To: Gatlin (#26)
#29. To: buckeroo (#28)
All you ever accomplished in life was skin a tater, tater.
#30. To: Gatlin (#27)
#31. To: buckeroo (#28)
I guarantee, that in 2017, I am going to show you ...
#32. To: buckeroo (#30)
The only BEST WAY ...
#33. To: Gatlin (#31)
#34. To: Gatlin (#32)
kicking your ass
#35. To: A K A Stone, buckaroo (#3)
If they did that there would be civil war.
#36. To: redleghunter (#6)
I would estimate close to 80% of the people signing that petition have never actually read our Constitution. Hopefully through all this nonsense they get a civics lesson.
#37. To: hondo68 (#8)
Poppy's ready to start his second term, with Scruffy as VP.
#38. To: Gatlin (#14)
how many Faithless Elector members of the Electoral College changed their vote from their party's designated candidate during the past 100 years?
#39. To: sneakypete (#38)
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how many Faithless Elector members of the Electoral College changed their vote from their party's designated candidate during the past 100 years?
During a series of Democratic primary elections and caucuses in 1960, JFK won the primary with 1,847,259 votes or 31.4%.
Ok,they were delegates and not Electors,but the principle is the same.
#40. To: buckeroo (#0)
#41. To: GrandIsland (#40)
#42. To: buckeroo, GrandIsland (#41)
Post your hopes and libtard dreams ELSEWHERE, suckhole.
#43. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland (#42)
#44. To: buckeroo (#43)
#45. To: GrandIsland (#44)
#46. To: buckeroo (#43)
If you STUPID fucks think that TRUMP will fix things OR do things to your liking,
#47. To: Gatlin (#46)
#48. To: buckeroo (#45)
#49. To: buckeroo (#47)
And?
#50. To: buckeroo (#45)
BIG fuckin' deal.
#51. To: Gatlin (#48)
#52. To: buckeroo (#51)
#53. To: Gatlin (#52)
#54. To: buckeroo (#53)
Trump can't perform 90% of his campaign promises.
#55. To: Gatlin (#54)
#56. To: buckeroo (#10)
"What makes you think he won't further pay some money to sympathetic electors"
#57. To: misterwhite (#56)
#58. To: buckeroo (#55)
America has been on a downhill slope since WW2.
#59. To: buckeroo (#57)
You tell me. What were the odds that a US Secretary of State could sell her position to foreign governments while collecting millions of dollars for her, "foundation?"
#60. To: rlk (#59)
She did it and got away with it.
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