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Title: Does justice just stop dead with a corrupt FBI and JustUs Dept?
Source: Me
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Published: Oct 26, 2016
Author: Hank Rearden
Post Date: 2016-10-26 13:04:37 by Hank Rearden
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Views: 4961
Comments: 33

For discussion, I'm hoping people with Federal legal knowledge or experience can chime in......

Since it's obvious the FBI and JustUs departments have been fully corrupted in service to the Odumbass regime, is there another way to bring the Clinton Crime Family and others to justice?

Isn't it possible for a United States Attorney in one of Odumbass's 57 states to convene a grand jury and independently begin an investigation and possible indictments without permission from the very top in D.C.?

I'm assuming that somewhere there still remains an officer of the court who retains a sense of justice and duty to the oath they've sworn who might consider such a prosecution no matter the harm to his/her career prospects, of course. They'd need some support from GOPussies suddenly growing balls, but I just want to know if there's a mechanism.

Is it really possible that just two, or a handful of, corrupt individuals in Washington D.C. can thwart efforts to bring obvious criminals to justice, forever, and maybe even get elected to the presidency - with no recourse?

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#3. To: Hank Rearden (#0) (Edited)

I'm assuming that somewhere there still remains an officer of the court who retains a sense of justice and duty to the oath they've sworn who might consider such a prosecution no matter the harm to his/her career prospects, of course. They'd need some support from GOPussies suddenly growing balls, but I just want to know if there's a mechanism.

Such a saint can file something and be replaced before he can pursue it. And it's dead. Even with Attorneys General, the lieutenants do not get to overrule the general.

Congress might remove an AG, but there isn't much probability of this.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-10-26   13:29:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu chan (#3) (Edited)

Note that I'm asking about US Attorneys, not state or even federal Attorneys General. My understanding is that USAs have a lot of independence and latitude to pursue criminal cases, but I'm hoping to hear from those who know for sure.

Ultimately, the decision to indict and try is the grand jury's to make, so I'm hoping it's possible for a USA to bring a case to one without interference. Not whether it's politically feasible, but legally possible for a USA who's brave enough to pursue a criminal prosecution.

And yes, presidential pardons can squish anything, but they leave their own sort of legacy stains in their wake, as we saw with Gerald Ford. Odumbass is a pretty gigantic narcissist who might not want to risk that unless he's personally in the crosshairs of a prosecutor.

My point is if the US Attorney General, like Toady Lynch, can legally kill any action by a USA seeking to bring a case and evidence to a federal grand jury, our country may very well be fvcked in the long run. We've seen the damage done on the first try the last few years - imagine what our nation will become once they get good at it, if there's nothing to stop them?

Hank Rearden  posted on  2016-10-26   13:38:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Hank Rearden (#4)

No, it is not possible.

The government runs on a system of chains of command. The person at the top of the chain of command has ultimate accountability for everything that happens under his/her command, and therefore ultimate authority over it all. A superior can delegate authority, but not responsibility.

What this means is that no, a US Attorney cannot "go rogue" and bring charges against a mandate from his/her superiors. He will be immediately stripped of his authority if he tries to do so and, no longer having that authority, will not be able to pursue the case.

The Grand Jury, if convened, does not belong to him. And his replacement will simply move for dismissal.

Now, I suppose it is possible that a federal judge might insist that proceedings continue, but that would be unprecedented, immediately appealed, and struck down.

The checks and balances are political. If a President's administration is corrupt enough, the Congress can remove him through the impeachment process. But if 1/3 +1 Senators - 34 Senators - refuse to vote for removal from office, then there is no further recourse: the President sits and rules, in spite of being corrupt.

That is, unless unconstitutional means are used.

Yes, the US Attorney General can legally kill any action. Congress can bring a special prosecutor, but the power of that special prosecutor would be limited to what the courts were willing to enforce. Congress can impeach, but a rump of 34 in the Senate can stop it.

The check after that is the ballot box, but if that too is corrupted, the final resort is the Second Amendment.

But note well: resort was ALREADY MADE to the Second Amendment by half the country in the 1860s, and they got slaughtered.

So, in the final analysis, if the government becomes completely corrupt, we are in essentially the same position as the black slaves were in 1790: outnumbered, outgunned, hopelessly outpowered. We will obey and be used for our entire lives, and have no hope whatever of ever gaining our freedom either through political persuasion or through force.

Because of Supreme Court control, THIS election will be the last one that matters. If Hillary wins, it is over for good.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-10-26   14:07:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Well, that's depressing, but thanks very much for the detailed info.

So we have to depend on GOPussies like Ryan-O and McTurtle in the last resort? Nah, that's not going to happen either, or it would have by now.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2016-10-26   15:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#11. To: Hank Rearden (#7)

Well, that's depressing, but thanks very much for the detailed info.

So we have to depend on GOPussies like Ryan-O and McTurtle in the last resort? Nah, that's not going to happen either, or it would have by now.

No, you have to rely on silverback gorillas like Trump, who will rip the system to shreds and effect changes in it.

They only come along once in a generation.

If the Republican Party changes its stance on social welfare and supports it, proposing comprehensive reform that will make it BETTER, and more reliable, and more systematic, less of a rigamarole - and makes a point of thinks like linking tax breaks to hiring the unemployed - really used their business skills to make things BETTER - they would suddenly find themselves with an influx of voters.

But truth is that many Republicans essentially exist to RESIST the social safety net, which means that the Republicans can't win over time - so the fraud is rendered moot. All that fraud does is speed up the date of the GOP demise. GOP POLICIES are what render them the minority party.

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