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Title: Rigged elections? GOP does it best.
Source: PennLive
URL Source: http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/201 ... tml#incart_most-commented_news
Published: Oct 26, 2016
Author: Cynthia Tucker
Post Date: 2016-10-26 07:52:16 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 5111
Comments: 34

As if he hadn't already broken just about every rule of conventional politics (and common decency), Donald Trump decided at the last debate to plow through a guardrail of American democracy that has stood since the Civil War.

In the final face-to-face encounter with Hillary Clinton, he refused to pledge to accept the results of the election.

Though audience members gasped at that display of utter contempt for the U.S. Constitution, it shouldn't have come as a surprise. Trump has claimed for some time that the election is "rigged" against him.

As his poll numbers keep sinking, his claims of fraud and illegitimacy keep rising. At every rally, he warns his supporters that a vast conspiracy comprising Clinton allies, the news media and numerous unnamed co-conspirators has been working assiduously to keep him from his rightful place in the Oval Office.

Here's the irony: There are, indeed, some shenanigans undermining the electoral process, some nefarious machinations meant to skew the vote.

But this chicanery isn't aimed at defeating Trump; rather, the strategy is being carried out by GOP politicians and operatives who, for the most part, want to see him elected.

In other words, the only widespread "rigging" that has taken place over the last decade has been conducted by the Republican Party, which has made a concerted effort to suppress the vote among the poor, the young and the elderly -- all constituencies that tend to support Democrats.

Having given up on enlarging their tent to attract more voters, the GOP has settled on a strategy of blocking the franchise for those whom it cannot win over. This is a decades-old effort that goes back at least as far as the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

But Republicans took to it in earnest over the last decade, when it became clear that demographic changes would make it difficult for the GOP to continue as a major party, given its history of alienating black Americans and other ethnic minorities.

The strategy of instituting photo ID laws gained currency in the early 2000s, when GOP operatives in states such as South Dakota wielded it as a weapon to suppress the votes of Native Americans.

Republicans were disappointed in the re-election of Democrat Tim Johnson, who won his 2002 race for the U.S. Senate by just 524 votes -- with a huge turnout on reservations.

The lesson was this: Shaving off just a few hundred votes could boost the prospects of GOP challengers. Requiring photo IDs worked because it seemed legitimate: Republican proponents claimed that they were only trying to protect the integrity of the ballot, to ensure against voter fraud.

Never mind that voter fraud is very rare; the sort of in-person fraud that photo IDs would prevent is virtually non-existent.

Still, the idea had a superficial appeal. Middle-class voters take driver's licenses for granted; they find it hard to imagine that a significant portion of the population -- voters who are disproportionately black or brown -- doesn't own cars.

They also find it hard to fathom the difficulty that the impoverished have in trying to obtain a government-sponsored ID. Even federal courts became convinced that voter ID laws were necessary to crack down on fraud.

Though he has since expressed regret for that decision, then-Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the majority ruling that endorsed Indiana's strict voter ID law in 2005.

When Republican governors and legislators gained power in the 2010 elections, they took to voter ID laws with alacrity.

According to New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, in the last six years, nearly half the states passed laws making it more difficult to cast a ballot. And GOP strategists were conscientious about aiming those laws at the voters most likely to support Democrats.

In Texas, for example, student IDs from universities are not acceptable at the polls, but concealed gun permits are acceptable. (A federal court has ordered modifications to Texas' law.)

Guess which group is more likely to vote for Republicans?

So if Trump is looking for evidence of rigged elections, it's easy enough to find. He's just looking in the wrong direction.

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Another Hillary hit piece.

I do not go to church every time the doors are opened, but I love Jesus Christ. I am only human and fail Him daily. I believe Jesus is the Son of God, was born of a virgin, was crucified on a cross, died for my sins and rose from the dead and that He loves us dearly, and is faithful to forgive us of our sins. But He says that if you deny me in front of your friends I will deny you in front of my Father. Can I get an Amen!

U don't know me  posted on  2016-10-26   8:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0)

It is rigid and has been for some time. Thats how Obama beat Romney. Its how demoncrats win elections.

Its nothing to have hundreds of thousands or even million of dead people come out of their graves and vote in all the key areas to secure a win for progressives.

I find it bothersome that just the thought of voter fraud to harm demoncrats is a federal offense but out right fraud against any other party is just crazy talk because the system is so secure and watched over!

The right is going to have to get over its self-righteousness and start cheating like the progressives or die off!

Justified  posted on  2016-10-26   8:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Justified (#2)

The right is going to have to get over its self-righteousness and start cheating like the progressives or die off!

That won't work, because the Right has something to lose: it's money and power. And the Left WILL vigorously prosecute, jail and destroy people on the Right who cheat. The Right is UNABLE to do that to the Left, because the people on the Left protect each other.

No. The ONLY WAY that the Right has a chance in America is to CHANGE SOMETHING, because what they are doing DOES NOT WORK.

Now, the Right leaders have been talking about relaxing immigration standards so they can get Hispanics. This won't work. It won't work because Hispanics are poor, and will vote for Democrats because the Democrats provide the social safety net they need.

No. If Republicans want to survive, they have to change their views on the social safety net. The hallmarks of the Right can be sensible deregulation of business, sensible taxation, sensible trade policy, enforcement of immigration policy, a coherent foreign policy. But the Right has to get away from its crazed hatred of the social safety net for poor and struggling people. THAT is the reason that the Democrats get the votes and win: the Left offers a social safety net, and the Right despises it.

This means that the Right can't win over time. It's not a sensible position they have taken, and they need to rethink it, like Eisenhower did.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-10-26   10:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

The hallmarks of the Right can be sensible deregulation of business, sensible taxation, sensible trade policy, enforcement of immigration policy, a coherent foreign policy. But the Right has to get away from its crazed hatred of the social safety net for poor and struggling people.

The "Right", as you call it, have the right idea but wrong way of going about it.

The social safety net (SS, Medicare, etc...) was designed to be a pay/draw system. Now it is more of an entitlement system where you can be sure that you draw something, even if it is unearned. That is not the American way. Although I agree that the poor and struggling people need a way to survive, it is not best to just throw money at the problem (which is what these entitlement programs tend to do). Instead, novel approaches need to be formed to make more people self sufficient. There are even some disabled people who can make their lives more productive when the coddling GrubberMint tells them they are useless and "here's a check for your troubles". Once we stop making incentives for people to show up in the government cheese line and actually make it possible to earn more of the entitlements, less people will show up in those lines.

This nation is filled with lazy people who would rather cry about their situation and draw a check than to actually put more effort into earning their way back to financial freedom. Businesses are not exempt from the problem either. Wages are stagnant, and will continue to drive downwards as migrant workers keep pouring in and Congress continues to make it easy to offshore more of our jobs. Until true cultural reform takes effect, we will continue to expand that safety net into a bag and start shoving more of the once-middle-class into it as we turn this country into a proletariat vs bourgeois society.

Best way for the "Right" to win the day? Reform the crappy culture of the day.

***If we really want to be great again, go ask Uncle Sam to get back on our side of the border, get out of our wallets, get out of our papers and property, get out of our bodies, and get out of our way. - TheFireBert***“Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.” ― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland***"If you laid all of our laws end to end, there would be no end." - Mark Twain

TheFireBert  posted on  2016-10-26   12:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

Trump has claimed for some time that the election is "rigged" against him.

As his poll numbers keep sinking, his claims of fraud and illegitimacy keep rising. At every rally, he warns his supporters that a vast conspiracy comprising Clinton allies, the news media and numerous unnamed co-conspirators has been working assiduously to keep him from his rightful place in the Oval Office.

If there is a 'fix' its Hillary supporters crossing over and voting for Trump in GOP primaries knowing he was the least likely to beat her in a general election.

TrappedInMd  posted on  2016-10-26   12:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#0)

In the final face-to-face encounter with Hillary Clinton, he refused to pledge to accept the results of the election.

Al Gore was a traitor!!!!!
Al Gore was a traitor!!!!!

And the Dems have not accepted the 2000 election yet.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-10-26   12:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Justified (#2)

Its nothing to have hundreds of thousands or even million of dead people come out of their graves and vote in all the key areas to secure a win....

Prove it.

"hundreds of thousands"

"even million(s) of dead people come out of their graves and vote "

Please just provide proof.

Or admit that you made that up.....

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2016-10-26   12:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Willie Green (#0)

Willies head is rigged.

Trump should never accept the results unless he wins. Because if he doesn't win that means it is rigged.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-10-26   12:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jameson, Justified (#7)

Prove it.

"hundreds of thousands"

"even million(s) of dead people come out of their graves and vote "

Please just provide proof.

Or admit that you made that up.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-26/indiana-voter-database-riddled-errors-including-1000s-dead-voters-and-duplicate-re-0

Indiana Voter Database "Riddled With Errors" Including 1,000s Of Dead Voters And Duplicate Registrations

by Tyler Durden
Oct 26, 2016 11:58 AM

For years the political elites, backed by funding from George Soros, have fought common sense voter ID laws as blatant attempts of racist right wingers to suppress the votes of minority and low-income citizens. These same people tirelessly argue that there is no evidence of voter fraud despite the mountain of facts that keeps piling up the contrary. The latest evidence comes from Indiana, where CBS points out that the state's voter registration database, like many others around the country, are "riddled with errors" including 1,000s of duplicate registrations and dead voters.

A data analysis firm hired by a voter registration group said on Tuesday that Indiana’s voter database is riddled with errors, including thousands of people over the age of 110 who would likely be deceased but are still on the registration list.

TargetSmart conducted a review of the state voter file maintained by Republican Secretary of State Connie Lawson’s office on behalf of Patriot Majority, a voter registration group with deep ties to the Democratic Party that says it was trying to register black voters in Indiana. Patriot Majority has been the focal point of a state police probe of possible voter fraud. The group said the discovery of numerous problems in the voter database does not necessarily mean this was the result of fraud.

TargetSmart said it also found 837,000 voters with out-of-date addresses when compared to the United States Postal Service address database, or roughly one-in-five of all Indiana registered voters. The review found 4,556 duplicate registrations, 3,000 records without dates of birth and 31 records of registered voters who are too young to cast a ballot. More than 2,500 people on the rolls were listed over the age of 110.

Meanwhile, Christian Adams, former Voting Section Attorney at the US Department of Justice under George Bush, recently highlighted on Fox News the inexplicable reluctance of politicians to clean up the voter roles.

"Dead people are voting and it’s something this administration does not want to do anything about. They must like it. They must like who they are voting for… Now we have four million, four million Steve, ineligible and dead voters on American voter rolls according to the Pew Charitable Trust."

As we've noted before, according to research conducted by the Pew Center in 2012, the capacity for voter fraud across the U.S. is substantial with nearly 2mm dead people found to be registered and nearly 3mm people registered in multiple states.

  • Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate
  • More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters
  • Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state

But something tells us, no matter how many of these types of situations emerge over and over, that U.S. citizens, and common sense for that matter, will never prevail in the war against George Soros and the simple political narrative that voter I.D. laws and other practical solutions are somehow racist and/or disenfranchise low-income voters.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-10-26   13:26:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Willie Green, you can lead a horse to water (#0)

it became clear that demographic changes would make it difficult for the GOP to continue as a major party, given its history of alienating black Americans and other ethnic minorities.

Free, free at last, to vote for Trump!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)

Hondo68  posted on  2016-10-26   14:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#9)

Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state

Where is the proof that "hundreds of thousands" or Million(s) of dead people actually voted?

Where is the evidence that even one dead person voted, and that one vote changed the outcome of a national or state election?

It is quite a leap from poor voter registration database management, to rampant voter fraud.

This is an empty claim, repeated by Mr. Trump and many others who refuse to consider the facts.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Voter-Fraud-Lorraine-Minnite/dp/0801448484

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2016-10-26   14:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TheFireBert (#4)

That is not the American way.

It IS the American way, and has been for nearly a century. It is not ever going to change, not ever. To continue to refight this would be like the South rising again, and again, and again, after the Civil War and getting knocked down and slaughtered again and again and again, until finally there were no southerners left.

It the Germans charging into World War II after having lost World War I.

The economics of the world have fundamentally changed since the agrarian days of the founding. The industrial revolution and loss of the family farm has concentrated 97% of the people in cities where they have no land capital, and no ability to feed themselves our house and clothe themselves outside of the labor economy. There is no room in modern urban living for the young to have two sets of old parents, and grandparents, and great grandparents, living in the house as dependents. Those days are gone with the wind.

The social welfare state - all of it: universal public education, public housing, Section 8, food assistance, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, workers comp, OSHA and other labor regulations, disability insurance, Social Security and Medicare are all part of the package of NECESSARY financial structures to keep people who fall down or get sick, or who simply get old and decrepit, from starving and being homeless, or from being a life-destroying burden on the next generation.

This is the way it is, and it will not change, because it is a natural feature of the economy in which we live.

Republicans have insisted that the earth is flat and refused to accept reality on these things for a long, long time. And now we have come to the Rubicon. On this side of it is Donald Trump, who ALREADY has said that yes, we will have universal health insurance (just not Obamacare), and yes, we are going to have protectionism, and yes, we are going to have border control. And who is not going to dissolve the social safety net.

On the other side, you have Hillary Clinton, who will very rapidly build out the social welfare state to its necessary size and strength, and who will then also proceed to regulate away private economic initiatives, gun rights, and the ability to change the government.

In BOTH cases the social welfare state will CERTAINLY remain, for it is absolutely necessary for the survival of the nation.

Why is Trump nevertheless on the brink of losing? Why did Romney lose?

Here is the unvarnished truth: the Republicans have completely lost the poor. They have lost the working class. And as the middle class is driven down by a bad economy to the working class or the lower class, more and more people are realizing directly in their lives that the social welfare state is necessary and good, for their survival.

Minorities are poorer than whites, but there are more and more poor whites too. All poor people support the social welfare state because they need it.

Republicans spew bile at the poor, calling them lazy and vile. But they are the majority of the nation, thanks in part to Republican policies.

And that means, in a nutshell, that Republicans have made themselves the minority, and their minority will become ever more minor in the future.

Because the Republicans refuse to pull their heads out of their asses on the social welfare state, and instead come across as the arrogant judgmental motherfuckers that they are, for the most part, they have become the minority, and are headed to being an ever smaller minority - and a hated one that will be oppressed too.

The ANSWER is to give it up, grow up, and change the Republican mind on this matter.

If Republicans were for a strong and stable defense, a reduced regulatory state, taxes incentivizing business, law and order, border enforcement, fair trade and military strength, conservative social values, and for stabilizing and properly funding social welfare, they would be the majority party.

Instead they are for those things but verbally opposed to social welfare and dismissive of the people who use it, while the Democrats are bad on a great number of things, not in the mainstream, but uphold the social welfare state.

And in the end people vote their pocketbook. They may not like the Democrats crazy social agenda, or foreign policy, but they need housing and health care and they need to eat, and the Republicans keep talking about stripping those protections away, and keep talking about half of the country as though they were lepers.

The Right CANNOT "reform the culture of the day", because they cannot get power. They cannot get power because half the country knows they will be put on the street, just like Reagan put the mentally ill on the streets. They know it, and because they know it, the Republicans are the minority party, and slipping further into the minority because racial minorities are growing in numbers.

Pandering to Spanish-speakers will not make them vote Republican: social welfare keeps them voting Democrats.

Republicans have two choices: accept that social welfare is needed, or submit to Democrats for the rest of their lives.

But it's too late for any of that now. In THIS election, everybody need to vote for Trump to stop Clinton, because if she gets control of the government Supreme Court - the whole discussion is moot. We'll never have fair elections again, and the Republicans will never be able to win back power no matter what they do.

Assuming Trump pulls out the win, Republicans have to change if they don't want to lose the country for good.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-10-26   14:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#6)

And the Dems have not accepted the 2000 election yet.

But they LEARNED from it. They have effectively torn down voter ID controls. Soros owns the company that owns the voting machines.

Republicans have not learned a thing, which does not bode well for them.

If they win this election, perhaps Trump can convince Republicans that they need to worry about social welfare. He will have to face the health insurance crisis. Obamacare will go down, but it will need to be replaced with something better. Trump has always understood the need for universal insurance. The Republican Party will need to learn from him and follow his lead, or he will have won, but the country will continue to drift Democrat over time.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-10-26   14:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

And the Dems have not accepted the 2000 election yet.

But they LEARNED from it.

They have effectively torn down voter ID controls.

Soros owns the company that owns the voting machines.

"They have effectively torn down voter ID controls. "

Fairly sure it has been the courts that have ruled "voter-ID" laws unconstitutional, not the "dems".........

"Soros owns the company that owns the voting machines."

Not accurate (here is one of many sources to debunk this myth):

http://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-machines- 2016-10

To your other point, you're correct - without the benefit of gerrymandered districts, the republican brand would struggle to compete because they do not represent the majority of voters - at least at the national level.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2016-10-26   14:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jameson (#11)

Where is the proof that "hundreds of thousands" or Million(s) of dead people actually voted?

Where is your proof that the election has actually been held?

nolu chan  posted on  2016-10-26   15:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#15)

Where is your proof that the election has actually been held?

Non Sequitur - but I'll play:

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2012- certificates/pdfs/vote-ohio.pdf

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2016-10-26   15:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jameson (#14)

Democrats are known for their voter fraud. They've been doing it for years, and bragged about it. You deny it but that doesn't change the truth. See, this is the thing about Democrats: they are Communists at hear, or Fascists, so arrogantly certain of their own right to rule that they will literally do ANYTHING, and believe it justified. That moral turpitude them extends to everything else in their lives. OF COURSE they support gay marriage, abortion, and every other perversion. They are fundamentally evil people at the personal moral level.

But they do know how to get power in a democracy: get the people. And in industrialized democracy, that's pretty easy: offer the people social protections, and when your opponents are self-centered greedy motherfuckers like the Republicans are, you win. People need the help, and they only get the back of the hand from the other side. So the Democrats get their power, their cronyism, their depravity and their babykilling, because they poor have no choice but to vote for them. Republicans have made it such that for the poor to vote for the GOP is to vote to starve and be homeless.

Courts are political institutions. Judges are partisan politicians. To deny that is to be a liar. Look at the party affiliation of the judges who have done the most to tear down the voter ID laws. The Supreme Court is 4-4 by party, and therefore, of course, is split 4-4, because judges are politicians, appointed for life.

Hillary wins, and the Supreme Court becomes a 5-4 hard left rubber stamp of every Executive Order she wants to do, and to hell with Congress. Democrats have admirable party discipline on fundamental party matters.

Their base of power is in social welfare. They have the monopoly on social welfare because the idiot Republican flat-earthers have ceded the field to them completely.

If Republicans were rational on social welfare, they would be the majority party. Unfortunately for the Republicans, they are NOT rational, which means they are always in the minority.

If Trump wins, the Republicans will be at war with him for his term, but he may change the nature of the GOP towards something more reasonable.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-10-26   16:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

Democrats are known for their voter fraud. They've been doing it for years, and bragged about it. You deny it but that doesn't change the truth.

It is my opinion that if it is possible commit election fraud, then election fraud will be committed at every opportunity, and without regard to political party or ideological persuasion.

However, I do not believe that vote fraud has taken place on a scale large enough to matter at the Federal or State levels. I'm sure someone can link to an article that uncovers some shenanigans that elected some borough representative in some large city, but until there are arrests of the perpetrators of such acts on a large scale - color me a skeptic.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2016-10-26   16:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jameson (#18)

I was a poll watcher in NYC for two election cycles. The fraud was endemic, and always in the Democrat direction.

In close Presidential elections determined by one state's electoral votes, the Democrat voter fraud in the rotten precincts of major cities is a decisive advantage for Democrats, amounting to probably about 1% of the vote.

The Electoral College acts as a firewall against massive fraud in a major city wiping out the votes from whole states, but it does mean that a state like Illinois will almost always go Democrat, because of the fraud in Chicago.

Fraud really counts in evenly-divided states.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-10-26   16:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jameson (#16)

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2012- certificates/pdfs/vote-ohio.pdf

And I thought you were talking about this election cycle. Election in the past may have been honest, but this time they are getting the full Clinton.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-10-26   17:12:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jameson (#7)

Are you serious? Have you been on the dark side of the moon for every election? There are no bigger cheaters than the demoncrat party. Animals, dead people, only gawd knows how many people vote multiple times for the demoncrats!

In demoncrat strong holds there were more people voting for demoncrats than actually eligible to vote. Some places the GOP got zero votes which is a statistical impossibility.

Justified  posted on  2016-10-26   17:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Justified (#21)

In demoncrat strong holds there were more people voting for demoncrats than actually eligible to vote. Some places the GOP got zero votes which is a statistical impossibility.

Simply did not happen....

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

Please prove me wrong, if you can, I'm always interested in learning.

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Jameson  posted on  2016-10-27   8:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan (#20)

Election in the past may have been honest, but this time they are getting the full Clinton.

Heh heh - ok!

I can appreciate the need for the "rigged election" storyline, without some conspiratorial scheme on which to place blame, there would be an epidemic of exploding heads on November 9th if Nate Silver is correct.

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Jameson  posted on  2016-10-27   8:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#19)

I was a poll watcher in NYC for two election cycles. The fraud was endemic, and always in the Democrat direction.

Just wondering, what did you do about it?

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Jameson  posted on  2016-10-27   8:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jameson (#24)

Just wondering, what did you do about it?

What I could do under the protocols. Pointed it out. Froze the machines. Then the PTB of the board of elections would pronounce the fraudulently rigged machine as "malfunctioning", take them offline, and put the polling station on paper ballots, which then allowed the fraud to run riot.

I did the pollwatching for two cycles, recognized that I was seeing the way that big city political corruption worked, realized that pointing out the machine issues merely caused a cosmetic intervention that permitted the imposition of a "solution" that actually permitted GREATER fraud that was no longer even detectable. I realized that the money and power at stake was so immense that very intelligent minds had worked out a multi-tiered system of fraud, with a whole dog-and-pony show of rectitude to respond to complaints such as mine.

I realized that big city machine politics cannot be reformed from within at all - that only exterior power, enforced by a really brutal police and prosecutorial presence composed of the other party, has any hope of addressing it.

So I stopped pollwatching, recognizing that it was a vain gesture and a waste of time.

I learned that the political system of the United States is rotten at the roots, and that it probably cannot be reformed. I stopped believing in American democracy as a precise thing, and came to see it is a bellwether. If there is MASSIVE discontent, you can get a Reagan moment that overcomes the margin of fraud, but short of that, the current will always be in the direction of certain policies.

I thought about what those policies are, and came to the conclusion that any party that eschews populism cannot win in America. We are not an elitist country, and we never will be.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-10-27   10:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jameson (#22)

I'm always interested in learning.

Then start doing your own research instead of using the bogus fact checker websites.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2016-10-27   16:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jameson (#18)

Don't you live someplace close to Cleveland (or is it Columbus oh well no matter), the place where about 100 precincts had every single vote go to Obozo and none to Romney?

Wouldn't think you would forget that.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2016-10-27   16:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CZ82 (#26)

Then start doing your own research instead of using the bogus fact checker websites.

There are a number of legitimate sources that debunk the fantasy of mass vote- rigging.

The reasoning is simple, it never happened.

However, if I'm wrong, please provide some verifiable proof.

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Jameson  posted on  2016-10-28   7:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: CZ82 (#27)

Don't you live someplace close to Cleveland (or is it Columbus oh well no matter), the place where about 100 precincts had every single vote go to Obozo and none to Romney?

I live in Columbus.

The hoax you're referring to was in Wood County, and claimed 21 precincts were involved.

Or, you could do your own research.....

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Jameson  posted on  2016-10-28   7:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jameson, CZ82 (#27)

Romney earned zero votes in some urban precincts[CBS News February 8, 2013, 5:00 PM]

Took me 2 seconds to find it? Why is it so hard to look up. We went though this shit back when demoncrats actually stole the elections from the good people of America, again.

Its the same old shit. Demoncrats lie cheat and steal their way into being the leaders so they can run their crony capitalist politics ie socialism. Every political cycle MSM focus on the right's pimples while ignoring the lefts syphilis!

Justified  posted on  2016-10-28   8:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Justified (#30)

Why is it so hard to look up.

Quite simple really, here is a NYT story about why gerrymandered districts in Philly did indeed cast zero votes for romney:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20121112_In_59_Philadelphia_votin g_wards__Mitt_Romney_got_zero_votes.html

And the Wood county story mentioned in the Cleveland Plain Dealer had already been debunked.

To quote you, "Its the same old shit."

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2016-10-28   9:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jameson (#31)

Same old shit of BS. Zero votes is an impossibility. That would be like having zero demoncrat votes. There are always stupid people around.

Socialist coverup leftist cheats even if it means killing the messenger. Wikileaks proves it. When POS bush was in office Wikileaks was the best but now they expose true criminals Wikileaks must be stopped and destroyed by in means necessary.

Stick you head back in the sand. I can tell you prefer it there.

We know demoncrats cheat the American public ever stinking elections and the MSM covers it up by dismissing it or by disinformation. They employ communist tactics.

Justified  posted on  2016-10-28   9:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Justified (#32)

Believe whatever you choose.

By the way, Toronto has some nice homes for sale!

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Jameson  posted on  2016-10-28   9:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Justified (#30) (Edited)

Took me 2 seconds to find it? Why is it so hard to look up.

It's all part of the "Schtick" hoping you can't find and post a link to what you mentioned, that way they can declare it never happened no proof. On the odd chance you do post it then you get the statement about fact checking websites say it isn't true. (Those "Reputable Leftard Fact Checker Websites" would deny that their own schitt stinks for a nickel or a chance to sniff the crotch of someone in the current regime). About the only thing I haven't been asked to provide a link for is the "deuce" I dropped right after lunch.

It's all they have but for some reason they just can't admit it.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2016-10-28   18:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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